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Published: 2017-01-29 20:31:23 +0000 UTC; Views: 13313; Favourites: 36; Downloads: 6
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An image demonstrating the gist of all three Paper Mario games I did Recut topics for. These topics didn't just ignore the stupid character restriction and go all-out in filling in the blanks- they also suggested various fixes to the many gameplay problems in the newer Intelligent Systems-developed Paper Mario games I'm surprised IS haven't even patched as of this typing. (AlphaDream's Paper Jam just suffers from underwhelming character usage.)Sticker Star RECUT: mariorpg.boards.net/thread/462…
Paper Jam RECUT: mariorpg.boards.net/thread/464…
Color Splash RECUT ACT 1: mariorpg.boards.net/thread/565…
Color Splash RECUT ACT 2+: mariorpg.boards.net/thread/572…
Due to waivers at the beginning of each topic, Nintendo owns all characters who originated from these Recut topics.
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This is THE most insane AND amazing thing I have seen all day! Never played the original, but WHO CARES!?
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Thank you a lot! Glad you liked this so much!
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So would you consider Miyamoto's effect on the Paper Mario series similar to Ken Penders's lawsuit on the Archie Sonic Comics? sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Ken_Pende…
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You know, it's funny- I made this exact comparison on GameFAQs a little before Paper Jam released. There's similarities, but there's differences.
With Archie, Penders' stuff is 100% gone. In addition, Archie's too afraid to even negotiate "updated contracts" with past writers, even if they still work for them. In other words, some stuff in this situation is beyond Archie's power.
With Paper Mario, however, IS still owns all the original RPG characters they made. It's just Miyamoto won't let them come back for arbitrary reasons, while Tanabe is way too absorbed in the idea of "limits". In other words, the IS staff has control to make the situation better- it's just they lack the charisma to make Miyamoto reconsider.
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Also something I noticed in Bowser's Minions, characters and species from the main Mario series are redesign to look like they always do in the games, For example, Toads in this game are not as varied and the original, and they along with the Koopas arn't wearing different clothes, similar to some of the Archie Sonic Mandates, like how SEGA characters can't wear different clothes.
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While it's possible mandates are the reason for the genericized retcons, it's also possibly one of many cut corners to get Superstar Saga + out on time.
The original game had one of the biggest overworlds in the Mario and Luigi series, so a lot of time has to go into reconstructing it in a 3D environment. There's also the new Bowser's Minions mode to consider, with it's own rules and intricacies. Most pressing of all is this remake releasing only 2 years after Paper Jam and the oddity of not having stereoscopic 3D, unlike other 3DS games. All of this together suggests AlphaDream only have enough time for a couple big things (the aforementioned overworld, the Beanbean Kingdom's citizens and completely new enemies, and Bowser's Minions as a whole).
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Still you looking forward to seeing the Koopalings actually talk this time?
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Yeah. It'll be nice to see Iggy, most of all. As well as this version of Morton.
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Yeah, why do you think the Koopalinga didn't speak in the original version?
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I think it's because they were surprise bosses for the last level of the game. It might have also been to make them more intriguing and imposing, or to demonstrate something's not right with Bowletta ruling the castle.
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Which just raises one question, how did they mange to get the rights of two Ken Penders created Archie Sonic characters in Super Smash Bros. Omega ?
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I don't know. A Nintendo contract separate from the lost SEGA and Archie ones, maybe?
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Or alternatively, witchcraft! How else does a game that big get made?
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A decade or two of development, a gargantuan bank loan, and an armada of the most persuasive legal team on the planet.
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Witchcraft can do all of that in one second.
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But there is one flaw, don't attempt do fight the final boss of adventure at 3:00am, the witching hour, trust me, something horrifying will happen.
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Also would you consider giving the Toads more unique designs in Mario games as off limits as giving Sega made Sonic characters excessive emotion in the Archie comics?
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That's a tricky question.
With Sega, one can kind of see why they don't want Sonic to appear too weak. The keyword being "kind of". The first problem with the mandate is how many others there are for Archie Sonic, making things too sterile and restrictive to work with the series. The other problem is where the no excessive emotion mandate originated from- Sega executives never wanting to see Sonic cry again after SatAM's Blast to the Past two-parter...even though there was a very good justification for Sonic crying that time. Nevertheless, the Archie staff do try and negotiate with SEGA on at least some stuff.
In contrast, the Toads not getting any other designs beyond the generic adult male look is crippling on its own. The fact the new creative team avoids doing any research on the GCN and Wii eras, however, really make this devastating.
So to recap: Archie doesn't have a choice, yet they try to defang the restrictions anyways. Intelligent Systems has a choice, but they refuse to even ask Miyamoto to reconsider.
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So in future Mario games would You imagine the Toads having as much variety in design as the Koopalings to the point where some even have multiple heads and faces?
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It could get to that point, if the story of an area calls for it.
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How about a game that has you design your own Toads with different clothes, hairstyles, accessories, head shapes, faces, number of faces or heads, etc?
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That would sound creative and generous for players.
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You know what would be interesting, if Super Mario Odyssey reimagined a character or species from the Paper Mario series.
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That would be interesting.
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It could happen seeing as Mud Troopers www.mariowiki.com/Mud_Trooper look like sub species of Duplighosts.
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If Nintendo takes down some of your Recut topics and just make their own.
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You mean official redos of the eighth-gen games? It depends.
If the Nintendo versions of the redone eighth-gen games polished their gameplay much more, expanded the plots, and removed the main-series only restriction (as well as cut down on the Toads), I'd still feel sad the Recuts were gone- but at least something better came of it. And at least I kept Paper Mario fans happy.
If Nintendo refused to budge and refused to fix the major gameplay issues, though, then I'd be ticked at their ego.
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Of course the redos/recuts of the eighth-gen games.
If Nintendo don't want the redone versions of the already existing eighth-gen games they made and they decided to take it down all three redone versions of the already existing eighth-gen games they made and even both Relic Hunter, Wonder Journey and Fruit Shake and just make their own.
Paper Jam at least does not have many gameplay issues, but both Sticker Star and Color Splash have a lot of gameplay issues, am i right?
If Nintendo and Intelligent Systems have decided to redo both Sticker Star and Color Splash, polished both Sticker Star and Color Splash's gameplay much more, expanded the plot in both Sticker Star and Color Splash, removed the main-series only restriction (as well as cut down on the Toads), while adding other characters such as Toadette, Toadsworth, Captain Toad, Toad Brigade, Piantas, Gearmos, Whittles, Jibberjays, Sprixies and even Moles (Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker) and as well as adding original characters and enemies in the redo both Sticker Star and Color Splash.
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Paper Jam is not a Paper Mario game, it's a Mario & Luigi game but with Paper Mario in it, ok?
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Well, Paper Jam itself does not have much of gameplay problems. But with both Sticker Star and Color Splash, they do have some gameplay problems.
I really wish Paper Jam was patch as of 2017 and two years after Paper Jam's release.
You do have faith for the Mario & Luigi series. You would think AlphaDream would bring RPG characters back next time right?
If Koizumi himself will take Paper Mario in the right direction in the next Paper Mario.
Back in both 2015 and 2016, both Paper Jam and Color Splash sold poorly.
And lastly, Satoru Iwata sadly passed away back in two years ago.
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So would imagine Koizumi Remaking the the latest three Paper Mario games for hardcore gamers that introduces tons of new characters? Mario Kart 8's getting a remake for the Switch.
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Paper Jam is not a Paper Mario game, it's a Mario & Luigi game but with Paper Mario in it, ok?
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I know. In the earlier descriptions of this deviation, there was a sentence that mentioned Paper Jam's gameplay at least being sound. I'll go back and add it in.
Same here.
AlphaDream respects their fans. Regardless of whether the reason they gave was genuine, or if their hands were tied by Kensuke Tanabe's ego (especially as Shigeru Miyamoto actually helped AD with gameplay this time), something was going on just this time. They'll bring their RPG characters back next time for sure. And who knows- maybe Intelligent Systems didn't just hand over the RPG genre due to mistakenly thinking "genre dibs" were a thing, but the characters they came up with to AlphaDream, too.
With Koizumi in charge of the entire Switch system, maybe he'll at least step in for Paper Mario when it comes to the system.
That might help in convincing Nintendo that their restrictions are more restrictive than they think. I used to hope Tanabe would change his ways and actually put effort in every department, but now, I hope Nintendo re-assigns him and Taro Kudo elsewhere.
Iwata has had an unfortunately long history with physical illness, dating all the way back to MOTHER 3's development. I wish he didn't have to pass away or suffer his illnesses, either.
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Yes i know Paper Jam somewhat suffers from underwhelming character usage. But hey, no big deal ok?
If Paper Jam have at least add a few more NPCs such as Toad Brigade, Captain Toad, Baby Yoshis, Bob-omb Buddies, Piantas, Nokis and Penguins (Super Mario 64/Super Mario 64 DS/Super Mario Galaxy/Super Mario Galaxy 2) if they have more time with this game.
At least both Paper Jam and Color Splash has a few different enemies from other Mario games such as Ant Troopers/Horned Ant Troopers (Super Mario 3D World), Sandmaarghs (Super Mario 3D Land), Biddybuds (Super Mario 3D Land), Dino Rhinos (Super Mario World) and Sledge Bros. And also, if Paper Jam has both Snifits, Paper Snifits, Spike Tops, Paper Spike Tops, Paper Pokeys, Paper Buzzy Beetles, Paper Cheep Cheeps if AlphaDream have more time with Paper Jam.
And why yes, it's sad that Iwata passed away from two years ago.
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Those you think these are what these Paper Mario games be like if they we're done by the creators of Super Mario Odyssey?
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Paper Jam, yes.
Sticker Star, I would think Koizumi's take would go in a similar direction as my take on it, even if not with these specific characters and added plots.
Color Splash, however, is a trickier answer. While I do think the Black Paint's creation would have more of a "reason"/wouldn't be as simple as what the actual Color Splash stated even in a Koizumi-envisioned version, this particular Recut had more of a personal touch than before- meaning some bias.
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So does Super Mario Odyssey seem like a new Mario game then any of these Paper Mario games?
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Yes, it does. New characters, new species, a new gameplay mechanic that adds on top of what's already there, and even a similarity to an actual Paper Mario game (Super Paper Mario, to be exact).
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I meant to say does it feel like a real Mario game?
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My mistake. Yes to that, too, though. The platforming looks as acrobatic as ever, there seems to be a very-finely designed method to the platforming, and most of the new characters are things I could imagine being in earlier games/they fit in with Mario.
The only odd thing is the humans- but they're supposed to look weird to Mario, and the system does have to render a gargantuan overworld. Plus, they're probably just in the game for a level or two. So I'll cut some slack there.
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So do you think a New Mario animated series would feature appearance of characters and species from Paper Mario and Mario and Luigi games?
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Depends. From what I've heard, every 1st and 2nd party developer at Nintendo has some individual ownership over their franchises and creations. For example, Kirby almost made it into Skylanders Superchargers Wii U along with DK and Bowser. However, HAL Laboratory wouldn't sign the dotted line.
In addition, Nintendo franchises and characters are expensive to even license. This is according to a topic at the Sega forums that said both Mario and Sonic characters alone are expensive.
From this, Intelligent Systems owns Paper Mario content, while Alphadream owns Mario & Luigi stuff.
AlphaDream would likely be willing to license their characters if asked, since they take pride in their accomplishments.
Intelligent Systems and Paper Mario, however- that's difficult. On one hand, as we already discussed at that one journal, several Paper Mario characters appeared in various Gamecube era games, such as the Star Spirits in Mario Party 5.
On the other hand...there's Kensuke Tanabe being the producer for Paper Mario. The guy who tries to convince himself in various interviews his vision is correct, even though it isn't. The guy who thinks only Toads are useable as friendly characters. The guy who seems to force his views on others, such as Risa Tabata and likely the Paper Jam team.
There's no easy way to say this- as long as Tanabe is the producer, we're not getting the old Paper Mario characters back. Not even if the TV licensee added an extra 0 to their first offer to test him- he's that stubborn.
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So how do you think stuff from old Paper Mario games made it to Smash Bros. Wii U/3DS?
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Sakurai's an even more persuasive and influential man.
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With the amount of Third Party characters in Smash Bros. 4 Wii U/3DS? Also would you consider the Paper Mario characters as unusable the the Square owned SMRPG characters?
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