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Published: 2002-06-28 18:16:07 +0000 UTC; Views: 4985; Favourites: 56; Downloads: 696
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Apologies to ArtPolitic in general, but more specifically Enept [link] Lambofgod [link] N0Deal [link] and CorporateWhore [link]I basically used their pieces as a background for my message, which was more of a response than a statement.
This is my submission to ARTPOLITIC's ABORTION CAMPAIGN.
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Your work here appears impulsive...a shame that you are apologizing after the fact for using someone else's images. You say this is 'your' response to abortion. Make it 'your' work. I have visited your gallery and can appreciate what you are capable of doing. This work evokes a feeling...like you are flaming and shouting at the viewer so in that respect...if you wanted to achieve that, you did.
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This is WONDERFUL, oh my god!! I LOVE IT!! Thank you so much for making it!
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Im only surprised that I found this by looking up on the pull down search, "abortion". But this ain't shabby for a random find
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very true and blunt but, there is not really statement behind it. its like saying "oh well let them do whatever" if you get what i mean lol
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This is great. Instead of defining reason, this piece of work just tells you to shove off. Brilliant. You should pass this amazing technique on to President Bush.
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I never even thought of this side of the argument before 
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I don't know if you meant this rhetorically but I am compelled to respond to the question... 'Who else should care whether a fetus will or will not live besides its parents?' First let me state: I AM against the visually graphic scare tactics and violence of radical anti-abortionists. It gives everybody who believes all life is sacred a bad rap. I personally, don't ever intend to shove my religious beliefs about why I believe that, especially with some ill gotten goal to guilt a woman, point fingers, or scare the crap out of someone considering having an abortion. I've been in the situation and, truly, you certainly don't need anyone getting in your face. It IS a very personal decision but I believe alot of us 'bought' the idea of it being a 'clean getaway'. It's the aftermath of that decision is why I care whether a 'viable' fetus lives or dies
My view of life,as is my religious beliefs of the sanctity of life are exclusively, my choice. Everything a person does or doesn't do is due to their freedom of choice. For me, anyways, it's hindsight over the spanse of more than 20yrs. that brings me to this place. I truly hope I might be able to help one person, if they are open to it/or seek help, so they won't go through what I experienced ...it really is hell for some of us.
Hope this takes the edge off all the animosity felt towards pro-life.....
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If you're interested in political-themed art, do yourself a favor and check out [link] . There's there plenty to contribute.
Thanks for the comment.
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I was so glad when I saw this, because you are exactly right. Bravo for the outmost bluntness of the best kind.
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wow that was really powerful. I was just looking through all of the submissions and I was expecting this to be antiabortion, but then it wasn't and it was just like someone had hit me in the face. At times I agree with you, but at other times it scares me just how much those aborted fetus's look like children.
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woah u people are all crazy.......and no offence but some of ur comments are extremly well STUPID. You cant make a woman have a child. Thats TORTURE! And not everyone woman that gets pregnant did it on purpose. Altho there are some fucked up women that do it to trap guys, or other selfish reasons. It takes two people to have a child so the blame shouldnt be all on the woman. If the couple didnt want a child then neither one of them should ahve sex. Does that make sense to u. Do you know the maselows hierachy of needs people? sex is an actual need. not a want. its one of the basic needs, sleep, eat, shelter and sex,. look it up. ull learn that in psychology. and the woman that do have an abortion do go through more pain then u can imagine. its not jsut physical its more then that. its psychological. which is the worsty ever. once u can pop a chil;d out of urself. then u can voice ur opinion on abortion or not. honestly. what if the woman was raped. should she have to have that child because u consider morrally wrong to end a pregnancy. isnt it wrong to murder someone... isnt it wrongto lie, to strike someone, to kill someone, to emotionally abuse someone. if all those things were looked at, then we would be such a perfect world wouldnt we. If you dont like abortions then thats ur opinion. but dont judge people cuz they may not have ur same opinion. Its the same as being racist, its UR personal belief and it does not make it right, nor does it mak someone elses right either. there just simply different. there are mabny factors for women, and sex isnt jsut one of them. condoms break, pills arent 100 percent effective either. i wasconcieved with birthcontrol pills. and my mom could of aborted me as well. and she didnt. but it was her choice, and i dont think any different of her idf she had done either chouce. cuz its hers to make. so get over it.,
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and the nazi's could have said the same about their death camps.
ABORTION IS MURDER! it has just become socialy acceptable.
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Bravo.
Thats my opinion of abortion as well. I don't say people should get them, but if I (or someone else) want one its not up to some fat capitalist bush-fucker politician to decide what I can do with my own body. thats the whole point of the matter, its MY body, noone elses.
its just so funny and almost backwards.
people get cancer and automatically try and kill, its a type of cluster of cells that is LIVING.
now why can't we kill a fetus thats still jsut a cluster of cells, oh yes because humans are good and all else doesn't deserve shit.
the same goes with yeast infections... lol
ok now im just being weird.
anyway, nice picture.
Tara
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Well everyone, when it comes down to it....it should be pro choice.
first off....the only people who should have any say what so ever...are the people that are directly affected...being the mother..and father.
Now i also think, theres plently of ways to not get pregnant...if your so stupid as to bypass all of this...then maybe you deserve a child...but a child shouldnet be a punishment...because then the only thing to come from that would be the parents hating it...
Also, some people cant rise a child....and putting one through hell isnt a good decision.
But the bottom line is...no one should have any say in someones elses buiness...whether you believe so or not...you did not contribute to it in any fashion..so who are you to tell someone whats right and wrong? you can't.
I believe they have the choice...and it may not be fair...but you cant take that from them.
Nice statment with this photo.
IC
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i feel it should be a choice for the parents to have the child but the only problem with this is if the father wants the child yet the mother doesnt there is no way to continue the pregency with out the mothers involvement so i guess the question is not weither or not abortions should be legal but raher when should abortions should be legal
for instance if one parenting party wants the child and the other party dos not then the party that does not want the child should have no right to the child or anything to do with the child once again this is a problem when the mother does not want the child so as yet the decision also should not weither they should be legal but weither they should be legal beforetheri are means to have a child with out the mother because until then there is not any choice also if they being the powers at be decide that it be legalized now then it should be very controlled both parents must agree and the father must be identifyed unless of a specific and dispicable crime happened BUT the problem is not the technology it is not the weither or not fetiuses are people and weither or not they have a right to life the problem is who gets to make the decission and who will controll it
i feel that it should bee allowed and that it should be dissallowed at the same time i think the message and the image say it best when juxtoposed they state that abortion should be allowed to those who think it should be allowed and they state that it is wrong to those who feel that wat BUT to thouse of us who feel that it should be allowed but it should be conditional and thus controlled it just makes a feeling of dismay that people could make such a complex and morally trying decision for other people while never faceing it themselves the only people who have a say are the parents
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Dude, why is it considered murdering two people if you kill a pregnant woman, but it's not murder to kill just the baby? Methinks people should think more about the math before they go off arguing things that don't contribute to the betterment of society. If you're not planning on having a kid, don't have sex. I don't care if you think it's safe. People these days...honestly.
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Wow, powerful message and perfect picture to go with it. Jesus finally an opinion that makes sense.
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The fact that this piece has recieved such heated and lengthly comments (as opposed to the usual one liners or worse "nice! 
...*gets off soapbox*
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Abortion: It's only a precious, defenseless, unknowing human life.
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Thats right! No body's business except the human life that was brutally ended by the hand of HIS or HER loving mother. Preach on sister. You are fighting the good fight. PRO-CHOICE!
Hey, I have a good idea...Let's start a petition for a new law... I say, let's kill them after they are born too. After all what's a baby? If "IT" is mine, I can do what ever the hell I want with "IT".
SELFISH- concerned unduly over personal profit or pleasure; lacking consideration for others; mercenary; greedy
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Abortion Doctor Who Changed His Mind: [link]
Something every Pro-Choicer should see before making an educated decision:
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Abortion TV Home: [link]
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Assuming the mother is loving is a very big assumption.
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I've personally decided to not have children, it's a decision I'm adamant about. So I don't take those kinds of risks. It's not an issue I will ever have to face personally. I have close friends, that have had to make that decision. I couldn't possibly tellt hem what was right or wrong. It's not my business, all I can, and all I would do is to be there and support them.
And if, for some unlikely even that my additude change towards children, I would opt to adopt. I see no point to create another mouth where one already exists. But that is just my viewpoint, all I can do is make decisions within the confines of my existence.
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ur not saying anything with it. If u want to make a powerful statement us statistics or somthing emotional.I might as well make a poster that says suicide: not ur f*cking business. It is every1s business! if its wrong for mother to murder their already born children then abortion shoul dbe no diffrent! open ur eyes!
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I less-than-half agree with your message. I believe in allowing women to make the conscience decision to get an abortion, but I also believe that when such controversial and provocative issues arise, it is important to hear from both sides of the argument, as opposed to telling your opposition that they have no "fucking business" dealing with the issue. To sever yourself from other people's opinion and to alienate others from their own opinion is to be an anti-intellectual and ignorant. Try a positive way of voicing your beliefs, not some angry shout at those that don't agree with you.
Also, I have a problem understanding why you put some of the images you did into your piece. You are trying to stand for the position that abortion is nobody's business but the woman who is getting one, thus it is morally acceptable and not a 'crime' against humanity. Why then, would you put an image of a gun, which is a very strong symbol of death and criminal behavior, into the background of an image that is supposed to be making the argument that abortion is not a negative practice?
Lastly, the image of a smiling baby in the background is similar to one that you would find on an anti-abortion banner. It almost serves as a complete refutation of your own message, as it makes no logical sense for anyone to put a photo of a happy infant on a poster stating that abortion is ok.
My suggestion is that you more strongly think upon what images you include in your message before you paste them in, and to re-think your strategy for getting your message across. If I were an anti-abortionalist, I would not take such an angry message seriously.
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Totally disagree with everyone on this page. It is only HALF the choice of the woman. The choice should be just as much the man who created the child. My point of view is over a guy I know, whose girlfriend conveniently "forgot" to take the pill and more than likely pinholed his condom. Now instead of working his normal 55 hours a week, he will have to work 70 to support the new baby. She is ecsatic over the idea of having a kid, he feels like putting a gun to his temple.
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Lets abuse and kill children but it's none of your business!!!!!
Because they are MINEEE.
Your logic is great!
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im totally with u on this one. abortion is an issue larger than government itself...the only way to tackle it is on an individual basis. ur piece does a pretty straightforwrad job of pointing that out. great work.
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of course, on cannot criticise the image here, but the message and the style.
Very thought-of message. Nicely told.
Keep on.
Nek.
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I wish I could say I love this deviation, ahh, it feels better to know I just did... A political issue hey, what else shall we make a political issue?
If having too much sex is the problem, maybe we should have to buy permits before we are allowed to enter a designated sex room monitored by the Department of Health and Social Services. I mean really, the decision involving abortion can not and should not be political... Neither should other PERSONAL issues...
I believe being a parent involves being responsible right from the beginning... From experience I know the pain people go through to make the decision to have an abortion, the physical and emotional pain after either decision , and the relief they feel knowing that they will not be bringing a baby into the world that they cannot take care of, a baby which would not be cared for the way all humans should.
I have an idea!!!, lets have the baby and put it up for adoption...
At least where I am, so many children grow up never making a connection with anybody because they get sent to a different damn children's home every six months. Must make them think it's great to be alive.
Oh, and the parents who put kids up for adoption, are they not committing themselves to the same type of loss as those who abort their baby. They still have no child but they think of what could have been.
Tough issues right?, that's why it should be the decision of those who are involved, beacuse only they can know what would be best for them and their potential child. I've listened to the reasoning of people who have gone through with it and those who just thought about it and dismissed the idea...
I could not agree with either one, because they only wanted me to listen, it's a tough decision, I was the friend who let them know that whatever they decided, I was there for them...
It was none of my fucking business...
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Rock on. I couldn't have said it better myself. Abortion is private issue for each 2 individuals. Like dust~bunny said, "it shouldn't be a political matter".
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Wait till you have a child of your own. You look into their eyes, see their personality emerge and fall head over heels in love. Then imagine never meeting that little person because you'd rather be "free of the responsibiliy."
Who are you going to blame when that child's "birthday" rolls around. Not to mention, Mother's day and Father's day.
Pack your bags-------- Guilt always sneaks up later.
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abortion....quite a quite an understated subject....it is a very deep issue......yes i do agree it is idiocy in pursuing it with governmental action... all people have their reasons in having an abortion...and it's quite personal and in their own choice and opinion indeed... good show....you tell them....it's a greatly expressed opinion shared by many and people like you really do make that motion to what the people really do want...instead of just being another facist and pressing this issue ...
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Oh wow!!! Thats a great choice! So its like a diplomacy? Only one person chooses? Why can't the baby choose to be ADOPTED. Jesus christ, everyone over looks that you can give your kid away instead of killing it, and hell, sometimes you can SELL your kid, they do it on ebay.
I'm sorry, I'm just against those crazy socialists! GO DEMOCRACY!
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Actually, I'd rather see people get their libidos under control, then maybe unwanted pregnancies wouldn't be such a problem. Maybe if people weren't screwing like bunnyrabbits, we wouldn't have to kill so many kids who might "inconvenience" us. Wow.
If two people want to play the game, they'd best be prepared for what sex is about. It makes babies, hello. I think sex is a very much bigger deal than people pass it off as.
A woman has a right to her body. Yes. But does a child have a right to its body, too?
I'm a 21-year-old virgin and proud of it. There won't be any blood on MY hands.
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Abortion is not the government's business. I for one don't agree with the concept of abortion, but that's beside the point. If she wants the kid's life riding on her shoulders, that's Her business. No law should hinder that.
You must be Libertarian?
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Then shoplifting or murder isn't the government's business either. I won't live in a society where the government tells me that I can't muder someone or steal from someone, that's just absurd. The government should have no place in moral decisions. Why, what kind of free society do we think we live in where Big Brother slaps handcuffs on us for simply grabbing a CD off the shelf at Best Buy and walking out without paying for it? Personally, my morals tell me that music should be free to all, but just because the government doesn't agree I go to jail. What a shame.
My, it seems to me that just about every law on the books is a moral issue. Ther government is telling me it's wrong to walk into someone's house that isn't mine without permission, the government tells me it's wrong to take things that aren't mine or to have sex with someone that doesn't want me to. Well shoot then, is there no freedom at all?
Wake up, making abortion illegal is no different than making shoplifting or murder illegal. Just because people wish they could live in a society where you could have sex every night with five new partners a week with no consequences and unwanted babies doesn't mean that we should grant this lazy and selfish wish by making abortions legal and cheap. If shoplifting had never been made illegal, everyone would be whining that the government has no right to meddle with our right to jack other people's stuff. The government has no right to tell us what's right and wrong blah blah blah blah blah. I've heard it all before, most pro-choice arguments are exactly the same.
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Um, this makes no real sense.
Actions which are potentially murder are open to discussion by everyone and is my business. Ethics, morality, as well as the law has decided this to be the case. If a child is possibly being abused, the government has decided that it can and will make that issue, as well as the families life its business.
Second, the issue isnt a matter of privacy. Drugs done in the privacy of your own home is still illegal. Murder, whether in your home, or in a womans womb, is still illegal, and both are still wrong.
The question instead is, is the fetus a human being (the word person has no quantifiable definition, and as such, cannot be used to determine abortions validity). And the fetus IS a human (its not a dog, its not a whale, bird, or moth. If you say its a "potential" human, it still must be an actual something, just as a potential moth is an actual catepillar.) Genetically, it has its own DNA, and it is human DNA, so therefore, it is human. And all humans have rights, unless you believe that the government has the inherent right to assign rights (in which case, you may be the next candidate for the group without rights).
Lastly, if abortion is NO ONES business, then the government cannot endorse it OR condemn it. Which means Roe v Wade must be overturned because it got involved in something that wasnt anyones business.
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