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Yeah, and you could have at least tried to behave in a way that would justify saving you. I love you, Chryssy, but you are a menace to Equestria and you've made it quite clear that you don't wish to change.
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I don't want to contribute to this drama in the comment section. So I'll say two things.
1. This is a fan story, his headcanon, his choice.
2. Chrysalis is apparently responsible for the unredeeming, so let's do the opposite. How much pain is gonna hit her heart?
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Considering the state they were in when they were petrified and other examples of former villains. she should feel bad along with Celestia, Luna and Discord.
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keep it up
and ignore those who keep saying theyΒ got what they deserve
Their not thinking like Twilight
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Chrysalis,Β you nearly ripped off Spike's wings. You have no room to complain!
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How's the view looking from that high perch, Chrysalis?
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They did not. Especially Cozy Glow and Chrysalis. ;-;
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They all deserved to be turned to stone
You canβt reform villains like them
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I don't care! You don't imprison a Filly, you don't turn a Filly into Stone when a Spirit of Chaos clearly he said won't do it, ABUSING A FILLY IS WRONG!!!!!!
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Since when did Discord say he wonβt do it?
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He said it back in his debut in the series via the first part of the Season 2 Premiere: "At least I don't turn ponies into stone."
Yet Hasbro went and ignore that for himΒ in the Final Season. -_-
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When itβs vial villains, is an acceptation
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Because I care. I care for Cozy Glow. I show love and respect to her. Hasbro is just so wrong to abuse her in the final two seasons..... 
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No, no. WHY is wrong? Just becuase you said it?
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Cozy nearly ruined Equestria by stripping it of all it's magic, what could have killed hundreds, and Crystalis tried to invade Equestria twice and nearly ripped off Spike's wings.
Yeah, they deserved it.
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I don't care! You don't imprison a Filly, you don't turn a Filly into Stone when a Spirit of Chaos clearly he said won't do it.
ABUSING A FILLY IS WRONG!!!!!!
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You SHOULD care.
That filly willingly nearly doomed Equestria and allied herself with three known villains.
It wasn't abuse, it was punishment.
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To add an actual reason for this conversation both Starlight, Luna, Discord and Stygian got second chances and the heroes went to great lengths to reform them (especially Discord).
Meanwhile, Cozy Glow, who is a literal child got no such treatment. No second chance, no questioning how she became like this. They immedietly tossed her into Tartarus and then (after Discord pretty much manipulated her into further villainy) petrified her without a second thought.
With Chrysalis only one attempts was made right after she lost pretty much everything and then she went insane from lonelyness going as far as talking to logs. Clearily she belongs in a mental instutute, not a statue.
Tirek was locked up in a small, featureless metal cage for a thousend years with no attempt at reforming him being made despite the princesses having clear access to the place and if anything, the guy is surprisingly honerable and mercifull considering that he never killed any of his drained enemies and he did hold up his end of the bargain with Twilight back in their first battle.
Frenemies also proved that these three could eventually accept friendship as they almost did, but Chrysalis's fears snapped them out of it.
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Starlight showed remorse for her actions and willingly surrendered.
Luna was possessed by the Nightmare entity.
Discord is a wild card with somewhat good intentions.
Cozy Glow showed absolutely no remorse for her actions and outright gloated that she planned on starting up again somewhere else before the guards stopped her.
You can't really blame Discord for manipulating her further into villainy considering the fact that she had more than enough chances to simply flee to Equestria and warn them. Yet she chose to stay with the villains and attempt to work with them to get revenge (Grogar was barely around half the time).
Chrysalis completely tossed away her chance of reformation and attempted to plot against the heroes. Plus there's all the atrocities she committed if the IDW Comics are to be taken into consideration. As well as the fact that she was perfectly willing to let Equestria freeze window Wendigos arrived. And after threatening to rip off Spike's wings just to score a victory? She wasted her chance.
As for Tirek, he had his chance a thousand years ago when his brother out right begged him to spare the ponies and not drain their magic. He pretty much gave him the middle finger to that idea which prompted his brother to sell him out to the Royal Sisters. That fact that he had the audacity to want revenge despite planning to invade and steal Equestria's livelihood. Being honorable and holding up his end of the bargain doesn't automatically give him leeway when he was more than willing to steal everyone's magic for no other reason that he wanted more power.
Frenemies proved how dangerous they were when they used friendship for more malicious ends.
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Starlight only surrendered after stopping Twilight's friendship speech and running away completely remorseless after her first defeat and the only time she was willing to stop was when Twilight showed her the destroyed world timeline (which would have screwed her over) and even after that she had to show her backstory (which was incredibly petty for what she did because of it) and have Twilight talk to her further about it. She only showed remorse after constant non-stop attempts by Twilight. What if Twilight had managed to defeat her on her own? I doupt she'd feel any remorse then.
There is no in-show evidence to Luna being posessed by another entity. Only that she got jelous of Celestia and one day threatened eternal night.
Cozy basically did what Starlight did in her villaige, she might not have shown remorse, but neither did Discord and Starlight initially. They immedietly gave up on her and tossed her into a completely featureless cage and sent her right next to the thousend year old supervillain. And yes, I can blame Discord for manipulating ALL OF THEM, because it was an abhorrent, villainus thing to do and why would she try villingly going back to the ponies who tossed her into a cage without even offering her a second chance? I doupt pre-reformation Starlight or any other reformed villain would have went running back to the heroes to warn them. Also one more thing: She is a child who, despite being very smart for her age lacks the maturity of adults and was pretty much surrounded by three ancient supervillains who all would have encouraged her to do bad things.
Yes, she did, just like Starlight and Discord would have. You have to remember that this was right after losing everything and she was most likely not in the right mind, and even after that she almost took Starlight's hoof (look at her expression in that scene) and only swatted away at the last second. I doupt she was in a joking mood at the time so I don't think that was a mocking prank of sorts. After that she was let go to go insane in her lonelyness (remember the state she was in?). Starlight was also immedietly plotting against Twilight and she had no problems with Spike getting hurt as well either, also, every idw comic is not comfermed canon, because if they were, Sombra would be reformed and his revival would make no sense. Either way she was an insane women who needed mental help not a stone prison.
You mean the same brother who, up until then was willing to do the same thing as him and stay loyal. Remember, were talking about the same creature who up until that point most likeky didn't understand friendship and the only experience he had with it was his own brother willing to betray him for it because some old pony told him to followed by him being tossed into such a horrible prison with no other attempt being made to reach out to him in a thousend years despite the circomstances making it a perfect time to do so. I bet Discord had many ponies begging him to stop his chaootic rampage including Celestia and Luna and he also wanted revenge after escaping. And about his honor, yea, it doesn't make up for it, but it still gives him more leeway then most other villains reformed or otherwise.
Frenemies proved that they could learn friendship and reform (remember their words after getting the bell (while genuenly smiling) before Chrysalis got scared and stoped them), something they almost did and could have done with a bit of outside effort. And realy, are you advicating against some people learning friendship? I thought it was a magical thing that bring people together in harmony not some sort of power that can do bad things if it falls into the wrong hands. If that's the case Cozy was right, friendship IS power, which I refuse to believe.
Remember when Discord was first released? He immedietly used his chaos to mess with some things and mocked Fluttershy for trying to reform him. He had to be threatened by the elements to stop.
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Starlight still willingly surrendered and laid herself before Twilight and her friends out of genuine guilt after seeing what her actions would bring. Which is more than what can be said for others.
Given her attitude towards Nightmare and the fact that many refer to the two as separate entities AND the fact that even Faust herself stated that an external force was responsible for Luna's transformation, yeah, there is.
Cozy's actions were still her own. She was offered a chance to repent for her actions but made it pretty clear that she had no remorse whatsoever for nearly dooming all of Equestria. Not to mention it's heavily imply that you have been working with purac long before that considering the fact that getting into the school and manipulating them was her plan from the beginning.
Tirek was shown to be a rotten egg since he was a kid. And again, his brother TRIED to convince him to change or at least give friendship a chance. It was his choice to say "no" and prepare to go through with draining all the magic just because he wanted more power.
Chrysalis was in the right enough state of mind to continuously reject any form of reformation. Starlight lost everything she had and despite that she was still somewhat able to listen to Twilight and eventually changed after seeing Equestria doomed. Chrysalis however WANTED Equestria doomed judging by her reaction to the windigos showing up. Plus she made it clear in the final battle that she along with the rest of the three were never going to stop trying to conquer Equestria.
I'm not advicating against some people learning friendship, I'm pointing out that sometimes the concept can be used for the wrong ideas. Case in point those three.
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Starlight did indeed surrender, but only after escaping from Our Town and fighting Twilight multiple times throughout the time loop and then theirs the fact that Twilight was actively trying to talk to her.
Still nothing in the show to comfirm the Nightmare thing.
Cozy actions were her own just like how Discord and Starlight's were and no, she was never offered a chance unlike say, when Discord was released. The fact that she might have been conversing with Tirek before the the school is irrelevent in this case and might also say something about what role models she might have had in her life beforehand. She is also a child.
Tirek was a rotton egg, but his father did not help much in the matter if you consider comics canon. In the show we know nothing of his childhood other then the fact that he could never live up to his father. I say again, to his his brotherΒ was randomly telling him to stop at the cusp of his victory and then selling him out to Equestria before leaving him in a cage for 1000 years. He probably felt betrayed and its not like we know exactly how that conversation went. And I repeet again, he was much more honerable then even reformed villains were.
Chrysalis was not in the right state of mind to ACCEPT any form of reformation and Starlight was only willing and able to listen to Twilight after many-many attemps. Yes, she was stubburn, but remember, her subjects randomly betrayed her after she pretty much won then went slowly insane in the Everfree. Did you see the state she was in before Discord teleported her? Speeking of Discord he also wanted Equestria doomed in a constant state of chaos that obviously only he wanted. And she did want to stop the windigos, she just wanted to wait a bit with it.
So your not against those three learning friendship, but also think that they shouldn't use it? They never learned friendship. They almost did, but they didn't. True friendship in the show is always shown to be a good thing and even with Cozy she had the wrong idea about it. If these three can learn the kind of genuen friendship the show is learning then they can also reform.
Either way if the reformed villains deserved the effort that the heroes put into helping them then these three do as well. It's only fair that they get the Discord and Starlight treatment,
Also, my apologies for not answering sooner. I accidently deleted my reply the first time I tried posting it then the next day I had issues with my laptop that frankly made it way too frustrating to type out a long reply like this. Sorry for my rudeness.
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Doesn't change the fact that Starlight DID change her ways.
Luna's guilt over Nightmare shows more that most of her actions were not her own. And the comics show that she was possessed.
Cozy was at the school the entire time, and yet despite h nice they treated her she still double-crossed everyone for the sake of getting more powe. She showed no regret for her actions and openly admitted that she was going to try again before the guards stopped her.
Tirek's father at the very least try to convince him to stop looking into more dangerous Magic. He was the one who decided not to listen. And being honorable doesn't give him any leniency points when he still wanted to steal all the Magic in Equestria for himself for no other reason other than he wanted more power. That doesn't automatically give him the right to want revenge when he was robbing others of their livelihood even with his brother asked him to reconsider their actions.
Chrysalis getting an insanity plea doesn't apply here. Considering the fact that she was still well enough in her right mind to continue her evil ways even when it was clear it wasn't working out for her. Plus the fact that she was willing to let a question of freeze over just to force everyone to beg her to save them from the windigos makes it worse.
They may have had the potential to reform, but the thing is they didn't want to. And they made that clear several times in the series.
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Starlight changed her ways because she got the chance to. She didn't change her ways when she ran awy from her villaing now did she?
Or it could just be guilt over what she did.
Cozy never took place in any extracurricular activities and she never really showed her true self. Starlight also threatened to do something before running away and Cozy was a defenseless child who probably couldn't really do anything else at that point. Would it have been so difficult to try and reform her at that point? When Discord was released he openly mocked Fluttershy for trying to reform him and the only reason that he didn't immedietly turn Ponyville into the chaos capitol again was dueΒ to the elements being pointed at him. Appearently the spirit of chaos and disharmony was worth the effort to reform but the literal child wasn't.
Tirek's father barely did anything other then mistrust him and from his perspective, try to hold him back. His only role model was Sandek. And while being honerable does not make up for the things he did neither is needing to occasionally cause chaos or being a good manager. It is at the very least a good positive trait and a starting point for him that say, Discord never had. And being sad over Twilight and her friends protecting herself and the villaigers (two of which she directly attacked) did not give her the right to want revenge. She was running a cult that robbed ponies of their cutie marks while Discord robbed ponies of any sense of clarity and normality (he even robbed the Main 6 of their personalities for a while).
Starlight and Discord were also in the right mind to continue their evil ways yet they get a free pass. Chrysalis was cruel, that much is true, but she was also pragmatic and ponies were always her enemies. She needed help that she never got.
Yes, they had the potential and yes, they didn't want to, but neither did Disacord at first. You can't expect them to randomly change their way on their own especially when Discord was discuised as Grogar with the intent to make them cause trouble to boost Twilight's confidence. I say again, they needed the Discord/Starlight treatment, but they didn't get it even though they deserved it.
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Starlight changed her ways out of guilt over her actions.
Cozy was assisting Twilight and the students left and right, they also treated her with kindness, and yet she still betrayed with no remorse. That was her true self. The defenseless child angled Falls flat when you remember that Tirek was imprisoned in Tartarus at the time, so that means Cozy Glow had to actively seek him out in order to get into contact with him.
The difference between the characters you mentioned and Tirek is that they eventually changed their ways when the presented with the right opportunity. Tirek didn't see Sendak as an idol, he was only a means to an end that he could use to achieve more power. As shown when he abandoned him to his fate. And that was back when he was young. The fact that he was scheming and plotting behind his parents backs that far back shows that he was a rotten egg from the start. Be merciful and honorable towards his opponent doesn't give him any leeway in that regard. Once again, his brother, the one of the only people who stuck by him despite him going down a path of Darkness, tried to convince him to change his ways. He's the one who refused and that earned him his punishment. He has no one to blame but himself for that. And considering the fact that he spent all that time down here and never once bothered thinking that he was in the wrong and just went back to what he was doing the moment he got out? It's clear he had no intention of reforming from the start, honorable qualities or not.
Starlight and Discord may have been in their right minds to continue their evil ways, but the main difference is they're also in their right Minds to acknowledge that their ways weren't the right way when presented with an alternative. Chrysalis did not, the ponies were not her enemies from the start, she chose to make them her enemies and invaded their land just for the sake of stealing their energy and making them a food source. Never once is it shown or implied that she tried to seek out alternative ways. As shown when thorax suggested a different way she outright dismissed him and went as far as to make it clear that she only cared about herself and staying in power. Starlight gave her a chance to change and she refused, even though the alternative method was shown to work. She didn't need help, she was a rotten egg just like Tirek.
They would have remained of the way they were even if Discord didn't snatch them up. They didn't deserve that treatment because they rejected it out right when given the chance. At least with the other characters they actually gave it a shot and found it to their liking. These three have no excuse.
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Starlight only changed her ways after many repeated attempts by Twilight to convince her in that time loop and in her villiage beforehand.
Cozy was indeed evil at the time, but so was pre-reformation Discord who even sided with Tirek after his reformation and unlike many other villains Cozy was never given a second chance. She was streight up sent to Tartarus when they could have sent her to a mental institute, a normal prison or try to reform her like they did with Starlight, which now knowing what she was like could have made them get past her manipulations and actually get some progress to her becoming a better person. The worst she could do at that point is throw a tantrum like she did with Rusty Bucket in Frenemies.
Tirek indeed didn't see Sendek as an idol, he saw him as a mentor. Those two are not exactly the same and just like how his mentor went behind his fathers back to get a pony so did he go behind Sendek's back to drain that pony without his permission. And I say again, just becouse Discord needs to cause chaos on occasion and just because Starlight's friend moved away didn't give them the right to do what they did. Discord was incased in stone for a thousend years, yet he didn't think to change his ways either. Just because Scorpan failed to get through to Tirek once I don't see why the ponies couldn't try again when he was already imprisoned and not a threat especially when it appearently worked with Discord.
Chrysalis had a line in Canterlot Wedding where she mentioned feeding her subjects, also, instead of letting her fly off they could have easily captured her and tried reforming her. Instead they let her wollow in her lonelyness and go crazy like how Starlight did and never once after that did they ever try doing anything to reform her.
They were never given a chance for that treatment because the treatment didn't just involve only a single chance, it involved many second chances and plenty of patience from Fluttershy and Twilight to get Discord and Starlight to where they are now. Cozy was never even offered a chance for reformation, let alone get a more forced one like Discord. Tirek was put in Tartarus after his brother tried only once in a scene we never got to see and was made no attempt afterwards despite being in a perfect position to do so and Chrysalis was only given the chance right after she lost everything when she really needed the same kind of second chance Discord had gotton.
If previous villains deserved the time and patience that went into reforming them then a Crazy ex queen, an old centaur who's already been inprisoned for so long and a child did as well.
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Starlight changed mainly because Twilight showed her that her way of thinking would bring ruination to Equestria. The rest of the villains knew that from the get-go and yet didn't care.
Cozy being able to contact Tirek and a plan out their little scheme before even meeting Twi and friends doesn't give her the benefit of the doubt. Made even worse by the fact that even though they took her in and treated her nicely, she still double-crossed them.
Tirek still didn't bother to consider that his actions were in the wrong from the beginning. Nor did he bother trying to change his ways after he got out of Tartarus. Starlight and Discord may not have had a good start either, but when given the chance they actually did change. You can't blame them for not giving Tirek the chance when he immediately went back to be raining other ponies of their livelihood.
Chrysalis only said that once, and even then it was easily countered by her later comment about four subjects bringing all of their love to her. And And she really gave a damn about their well-being she would have gone the peaceful route and try to form an alliance with Equestria, not kidnap everyone and drain them until they're nothing but husks.
They proved to be beyond redemption by outright REFUSING to be better. That earned them their punishment.
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Starlight changed when Twilight showed her how the dark future could effect her as well, she did not have any issues about ruining Twilight's future and even then she had to take Twilight back to the past for her to fully convince her and that still didn't account for her running away from her first defeat.
I never said that Cozy knowing Tirek beforehand automatically gived her the benefit of doupt only that was one previously bad influence she had and yes, they treated her nicely, but only because she was one of their students and after she helped them. Even then, she deserves a second chance just like Starlight, who decieved her own villagers before her by lying about her cutie mark.
Discord didn't consider that his actions were wrong later untill he was practically forced to listen to Fluttershy under threat of petrification, something that never happened to Tirek in a similar way, which could have been easily rectified with some Tartarus visits during his imprisonment. And when Discord first broke out he immedietly started reighning chaos accross the land so should I blame Celestia for wanting to reform him, or Fluttershy for accepting and being patient with him? Or how the ponies forgave him after all the trouble he's caused even after supposidly reforming?
She said that Equestria had more love then any other place (or something like that in Canterlot Wedding) so to her conquest was the clear road to the most amount of love possible and why forge an allience with a race she was actively feeding upon? Yes, she was a bad queen and yes, she could have handled it better, but Starlight also could have handled her hatred for cutie marks better and Discord could have handled his need for chaos better as well. Thing is they had the perfect opportunity to capture Chrysalis after her defeat and try to reform her, but they didn't and she was close to accepting Starlight's hoof before swatting it away.
How could they refuse to be better when they weren't given the same chances and effort the reformed villains got to be better? By that logic Discord should have never been freed and Starlight should be in Tartarus with Stygian being stuck in limbo because why try to reform him when you think he's just a traitor (that's what everyone thought untill Twilight and Starlight met him face-to-face). Those three weren't given rehabilitations or chances beyond an ancient random betrayal and an extanded hoof right after losing everything to the person extanding the hoof or in Cozy's case, none at all and frankly they deserved better.
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Starlight seeing that EVERYONE would be doomed was enough to at least make her show empathy. The Windigis popping up only made the villain trio think of how to exploit them the make Equestria serve them.
[yes, they treated her nicely, but only because she was one of their students and after she helped them.]
You've got it backwards, she was treated nicely before then, as shown when the Crusaders helped her get in.
The main difference is that Tirek actually made it clear the he had no intention of changing his ways, even referring to his own brother as worthless. Discord gets more points for trying.
Chrysalis could have tried a peaceful route, as shown with Thorax, it wasn't impossible. She just didn't CARE. She LIKED draining ponies until they were lifeless husks.
[Thing is they had the perfect opportunity to capture Chrysalis after her defeat and try to reform her, but they didn't and she was close to accepting Starlight's hoof before swatting it away.]
The fact that she refused showcased her inability to reform. Locking her up would've just made her more bitter.
Starlight and Discord had a rough start, but at the end they put SOME effort into changing for the better. The villain trio had their chances to change and better themselves(ESPECIALLY Cozy Glow) and did nothing but wallow in their own bitterness and anger, outright rejecting the very idea. Thus they proved they deserved their fate.
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They were still argueing about dealing with them, Tirek especially and even after seeing her own potential doom in that dark future Starlight still needed further convincing in her past.
They always treated her like any other kid and as a student. She only recieved that extra nice treatment when she became a student and then assistent and even then she still deserves a second chance just like everyone else especially as she is a child.
Discord didn't try. He was forced to try because otherwise the elements would have got him. Tirek was never given a similar opportunity to try.
And Discord LIKED messing with ponies in verious nasty ways like when he brainwashed the Main 6 for a short while. Chrysalis, with some effort could have been taught to try a different as well. It would have been difficult due to her stubberness, but it could have been safely done and I'm not talking about locking her up her in Tartarus or something like that, I'm talking about restraining her just enough so that she can't be a threat and then reforming her instead of leaving her to wallow in misery in some forest.
Starlight and Discord only put in that effort because they were given repeated chances and effort to push them in the right way. The trio did not get that chance. They both were only given one single chance to change at the worst possible times, except for Cozy, who never got one at all. She was immedietly sent to Tartarus without even the tiniest attempt to reform her. No one, not even Discord deserved the fate those three got and they deserved the same chance and effort other previous ex villains got or else Discord should have never been released or he should have been put back in stone or given some other punishment after siding with Tirek.
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And yet Starlight was more willing to change than Tirek. Tirek, on the other hand, couldn't care less and only cared about power.
Cozy was given special treatment before then, as shown when the CMC went out of their way to help her, and yet she double-crossed them with no regrets.
Fluttershy refused to use her Element on Discord, and he found that he valued her friendship over having absolute control. Tirek just saw befriending someone as a means to an end.
Chrysalis made it clear that she had no intention of changing and unlike Starlight, never WANTED to change.
As I said before, Starlight and Discord still put in some effort when the option presented itself, the villain trio didn't, thus proving they deserved their fate.
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Not hypocritical when these guys basically went out of their way to prove they didn't want to reform. Cozy and Chrysalis in particular actually got effort and help but they tossed their chance aside.
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Cozy was a student at the school of friendship, if she didn't bother to learn anything and willingly tossed her friends aside for more power, then that's her fault.
Chrysalis saw that her people were better off finding a different way to consume love and still wanted to drain others until they were lifeless husks, again, her own fault.
So yeah, they get no pass.
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Cue her running into Cozy Glow.... ;-;
, please give us more than one page per week. PLEASE! ;-;
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Patience is a virtue you know?
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I know.... but I really don't get the idea of one page per week. ;-;
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Any project will take time, effort and motivation. Sometimes you're not in the mood nor have the motivation to keep up with deadlines if it's a self-made project. And when working on a project, we want to make it of utmost quality as possible. You can't expect 30 min to do it as it usually results in "quantity over quality". Trust me, rushing never creates quality content. I've learned that from experience.
Finally, I'm not that much of a jerk but as much as the ability to mention artists gets their attention, you know what I mean. From the artist's pov itself, you are constantly spamming this feature to get them to listen to you. Repeated usage is very annoying. I've seen you do this many times. Be glad they have high tolerance and not misinterpret this as seeking attention.
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I'm going to guess that she's going to run into Cozy Glow next - and I also bet that she's the worst.Β
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She's not the worst. She's just a freaking filly that's TOO YOUNG to be evil. ;-;
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