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From left to right: Deinotherium giganteum, Mammut borsoni, Moeritherium lyonsi, Indricotherium transouralicum (not an elephant but the largest mammal- just for size comparison), Loxodonta africana (african elephant), Mammuthus trogontherii (mammoth), Gomphotherium angustidens and an eskimo(?)Related content
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Ok, thanks for the walk cycle, definitely something I should have payed more attention on.
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Sorry for making my second reply in a row, but which utensils did you use for your drawing? Ink, Pencil or black colour pencils?
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Gorgeous drawing and a terrific reference!
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Isn't Deinotherium supposed to be larger than a modern elephant?
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Not really in this case, it really depends on which ever specimen I based my drawing on, probably I picked an average sized adult animal to draw. There are bigger individuals. Please read the comments beneath the picture. I've talked about it a while back.
(This was my response from the comment section)...Deinotherium giganteum is based on the spain specimen which has a shoulder high of approx. 3m...
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I love these megafauna size comparisons, and yours is a nice one. The flow and weight of your lines looks great. Well done.
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Thanks, I'm glad you like it.
As for the flow and weight of these lines... just use a normal biro pen, anyone can do it.
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Well done, I like it.
And I would call the guy simply "human" oder "Homo sapiens"
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Very nice collection of giants! It gives a good idea of the size some of these animals reached.
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Deinotherium giganteum
always was my favorite!
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love the image, but i thought dienotherium was like two, three times larger than the modern day elephant
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Thanks, I'm glad you like it.
Deinotherium...Well... you aren't the first person to question me this and I have gone over this quite sometime ago with Asier11. If you don't mind please read the previous comments on the first page. Thanks again.
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Nice set of elephants! This call for an Anancus and a Stegodon too. Really. No, really.
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It is good to have a comment that I don't have to explain myself to anyone, thank you 
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Just for those who don't know, Indricotherium and its related genera and species from the Oligocene are more closely related to modern rhinos than anything else.
As for the Eskimo, it might be more PC to address him as either an early Inuit or a Cro-Magnon which were the first Homo-Sapiens to make it to Europe during the Ice Age.
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I'm really having problem with this picture... it seems like everyone is criticizing/nit picking a lot about this drawing. Finally the "Eskimo guy" and the Indricotherium...
I'm sorry that you didn't get it...
The Indricotherium in the picture represents the largest mammal ever found (at the time I did the drawing). I'm sorry that you have miss interpreted the drawings. I wasn't my intention to confuse others to think that it (Indricotherium) is in anyway closely related to the elephant group... It would be very funny that if I follow your logic then the "Eskimo guy" would also be closely related to the elephants...
The "Eskimo guy" is just for size comparison, you can find a lot of paleo-reconstructions which have a human or a silhouette of a human next to the animal for scale (sometimes kids find it hard to relate to metres and feet). This elephant illustration is actually for a Mammuthus primigenius article for a kid's paleo-newsletter and since mammoths lived in the cold climate for most of the time then if my human (6 feet) model dressed up like an Eskimo, I wouldn't have any problem with that.
An illustration can be flexible as long as it doesn't miss-represent data (I think). Have some fun with it
The bottom line is, this is an art forum what you've said doesn't improve the artwork at all. If you like to talk about the technical aspects of these kind of drawings then I guess you should join some other paleo forum. (since my drawing would be totally wrong because they all lived in different time periods and localities anyway. The only way to have correct this picture is to draw the man, the elephant and the rest as fossil mounts...
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Hello,
Sorry but there isnΒ΄t any publication about this Deinotherium. I can say you that the skeletal reconstructions is about 4.2 meters at the shoulders(=nearly 4.5 meters in the shoulder flesh). It was found in a 1965 and it was very complete, around 70%.
You can ask me whatever you want about sizes, IΒ΄m making a study about proboscideans.
About Loxodonta, I donΒ΄t think that today is any elephant that big. Probably the largest in the world is less than 3.8 meters at the shoulders.
In extinct elephants is very hard to know how big they could be. Is practically imposible to find extinct record specimens. The mos probably is to find average sizes elephants. Is very probably that in some areas M.trogontherii could have been quite more than 4.5 m because over 4 m Female especimens have been found.
Regards
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Well, my ex-boss finally wrote me back about his reference on the tallest elephant and here it is (please see link below, I know is secondary source... but that is what he told me to work with...)
[link]
I'm not sure how much truth is in this since there is no pictures accompanying the article...(now I'm confused... not sure who is right??)
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Hello,
I have read that information from first hand, so is truth. Anyway the measurement of an animal lying on its side it isnΒ΄t very precise.
On the other hand the most massive elephant ever is Fenykovi. A bit shorter than Namibia elephant but heavier. Between 8.8 -10 tons (my own calculation). Other estimations of 12 tons are totally excessive.
Regards
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I suppose the measurements are not precise, not totally correct but an estimate but hey like I continuously (probably too many times and gets annoying...
Base on what you are saying, your estimate could be in between 8.8-10tons (others that you've sighted could be a different of another 2 tons... 12 tons) and that is why I wouldn't be worry about too much on whether I did the biggest or smallest adult, world record of a normal size, the tallest or the normal height adult, I guess...
By the way thanks for the info...
Best regards
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Thanks, if I need any info about elephants I guess I'll email you for info next time.
But as I said before the picture represent "possible" adult size anyway (within range) and I'm not disagreeing with you about having larger specimens being found... hope we are clear on that...
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Probably except the African elephant of course... that one is a bit big I guess... not sure where I got that figure from but I think it could of been coming from my ex-boss. Since I have been looking around today but I just couldn't find where the giant elephant figure come from...
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Great picture!!
I love it! Otherwise the proportions arenΒ΄t very realistic.
I think that only Indricotherium, mammut borsoni and Moeritherium are in accurate scale.
Deinotherium giganeteum was much larger, up to nearly 4.5 meters at the shoulders.
Loxodonta Africana isnΒ΄t that big!! The average of this species is 3.2 meters with the largest males reaching 3.5 m at the sohulders. Only the world record african elephant is that big.
M.trogontherii could be even quite larger, with a height of more than 4.5 meters at the shoulders.
In this one IΒ΄m no t very sure but I think that Gomphotherium is less tha 2.5 meters at the shoulders.
Regards
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Oh by the way, Deinotherium giganteum is based on the spain specimen which has a shoulder high of approx. 3m...
we must be reading from different books or something...
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from your last post...
...Loxodonta Africana isnΒ΄t that big!! The average of this species is 3.2 meters with the largest males reaching 3.5 m at the shoulders. Only the world record african elephant is that big.
M.trogontherii could be even quite larger, with a height of more than 4.5 meters at the shoulders...
All the pictures or info are whatever I can find at the time. It is a size comparison so I don't really see how it would of make too much of a different as long as they are an adult size animal...regardless of their sizes...
on one hand you are saying the African elephant is too big (which is still a possible size) but on the other hand you are saying the mammoth is too small (that is an average (possible) size)... it is hard to please everyone...
As in regard to the Deinotherium, I haven't seen this picture before (at the time I have done the reconstruction) and is there a paper to this or more photo somewhere?
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Ok,
I recommended you to draw a picture with all especies in average size or in record sizes because you mixed all them. The indricotheium you have drawn, is the largest found.
Here the Deinotherium I was talking about:
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Regards
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Then again even if I make them a world record size I can't guarantee that perhaps someday someone might find something bigger. That's why I choose to do what is within the range of adult sizes...
You might see it as a mixture of both sizes and that is exactly what it is... they are adults and these are the possible sizes that they can achieve...
Just looked at your link, that was huge!!
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You are right the Loxodonta Africana is suppose the world record size one... I was asked to draw the biggest specimen by my ex-boss... So I guess what I've done is not too big at all...
M.trogontherii could be larger indeed, but probably not too much, the average is around 4 m and the largest male found has the shoulder high of approx. 4.7m. I didn't choose the largest to do instead I picked an average size individual_approx. 4m shoulder high. So I suppose what I've done is not too small...
The high at the wither of the Gomphotherium is about 2.5 metres... it is roughly just right...
I suppose the proportion problem is slightly more realistic now right...
Reference,
Agusti, J. 2002. Mammoths, Sabertooths, and Hominids. Columbia University Press. New York.
before I forget, thanks for liking my drawing...
Cheers
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Cool!, I think Mammuthus sungari should be there.
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Thanks
I'm sure it will be but I wasn't aware of it at the time the drawing was created sorry... I'm normally going by what ever my ex-boss had written (He never get it (his article) to me on time before the deadline... hence, not much time to research so I always just try to look for whatever creatures that he wrote in his notes...) even if I knew about the Mammuthus sungari, it is highly unlikely that I could get a hold of any decent skeletal picture of the creature from the original Chinese journal to do the reconstruction... but it should be quite impressive to see the indricotherium and Mammuthus sungari standing togather...
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We are lucky!
IΒ΄ve drawn a mammuthus (parelephas) sungari skeleton. IΒ΄ve based in the ibaraki nature museum skeleton. IΒ΄ve corrected some aspects of the skeleton like the position of shoulder blades.
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Oh, thanks!
IΒ΄m not very good painter, but I try in my best.
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just have to put in a bit of time anything is possible...
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oh I was just wondering if you can tell me where I can find some photos of manus or pes materials of some of these extinct elephants?
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I detect Mauricio Anton's influence in Deinotherium, Gomphotherium and Mammut borsoni, am I right?
Good job, as usual.
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I would say so too but not just in Deinotherium, Gomphotherium and Mammut borsoni (Well...Almost everything in this picture). His style is so cool...
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I made one quite similar to this but with diferent species although Deinotherium was on it and also Moeritherium ,good job 
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Wow, awesome collection of beasts.
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Thank you, I'm glad you like it, it looks like a simple sketch but it took me a long time to gather enough materials (articles, pictures and photos of the skeletons to work out their proportions...etc) to draw it (the sketch).
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