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New chart (only really relevant for Shadowrun players): Shadowrun race size comparisons. Always wanted something like this but never saw one so ... I made one. As always, Art is not my own; most of it is official art from Shadowrun Returns and Shadowrun Online, with the humans being Tron (male) and Syndicate (female) concept art. The female elf is a DeviantArtist's work, alecyl 's.Addition: New, higher-granularity metric scale and, to the right, Imperial measures. Hope I got those right.
This one's very beta. It's surely subject to change.
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absolutely awesome... i recognise most but who is the giant troll on the far right?
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Cool looking stuff. Don't play the game so can't comment on anything contextual, but the artwork looks great. Nice variety in the aesthetics, without being too varied – lots of fantasy and sci-fi has unrealistic segregation in clothing and tech styles, to help the people who can't keep up, keep track.
I do have one technical critique on the imperial scale: " denotes inches, ' denotes feet.
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Beautiful is the word that came into my mind while seeing this piece of art.
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Im curious, how many days does it take to properly finish a very detailed drawing? I really like your artwork too! Hope to hear a response soon!
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Awesome artwork. Made this the cover photo for my Shadowrun group as many of them are first timers. Great illustration to show the range of metahumanity.
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That female ork looks like Gobbet, the hottest Rat Shaman ever!
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Well, it is gobbet concept art. And I agree, she's quite sweet. Made me want to play a rat shaman.
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Oh yes. Finally good female troll art.
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I did one of these (originally 3ed) but never thought to use published art! Very cool. I will keep this copy for my players!
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Why are female trolls so much smaller than their male counterparts? Is this lore-friendly? I checked the books and I didn't find anything about females being much smaller than males.
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It's the standard 10% discrepancy humans have. With bigger characters, that is a bigger gap. I have, so far, not read something that trolls are closer in sizes between genders. Of course, I measure by the top of the skull and the troll has these massive horns and the beard that make him look bigger than he already is.
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I am planning to use this as the background image the character creation phae of my new Roll20 campaign. If you have objections let me know.
I love it.
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Had the box game for roleplaying when I was a little younger.
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Coole Sache, nur das Trolle immer kleiner werden finde ich seltsam...
Ich hab´ auch meine weiblichen Ork´s immer schön mit breitem Rücken und 1,90 bis 2,10 gehalten, und die Trolle gingen mal bis 3,00m. Scheint wohl an den zusätzlichen Umweltgiften im SR5 zu liegen xD
Aber im ernst, ich denke mal diese "vermenschlichung" kommt von dem Unwillen der Spieler sich auf ein anderes Ideal umzudenken, bzw. zu sehen wie sie mit einem Monster von 2,70+ im Alltag zurande kommen(abba ST+ muss ja sein...)
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Ja, es ist wohl der verbesserten Spielbarkeit von Trollen geschuldet. Persönlich hab ich damit jetzt nicht so das Problem; ich finde es löst mehr Probleme als es verursacht (und die 1E/2E-Rassebeschreibungen waren eh purer in-game-Rassismus).
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Naja, irgendwie fand ich´s schon fair das diese Kampfmonster auch so ihre kleinen Nachteile hatten, und dann auch noch solche, die SL und Spieler etwas Kreativität abgefordert haben. Aber das jetzt alles gleich aussieht nur unterschiedlich Punkte hat finde ich....unkreativ gelöst, trotz der Tatsache, dass man sich E1, 2 und 3 zuwenig Gedanken gemacht hat. Aber gut, Waffen haben ja jetzt auch nur noch halb so viele Werte und passen überhaupt nicht mehr zu den Bildern, und Störsender sind alle kaputtgegangen weil es das Weltkonzept der perma-Matrix gekillt hätte....insofern...konsequent gelöst.
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Hä? Störsender gibt es durchaus (und keinen zu haben ist nahezu ein Todesurteil bei jeder Extraktion), und die Waffen passen ähnlich gut zu den Bildern wie bei SR3 (Arsenal 2060 *grusel*). Ich sehe durchaus dass die Verflachung bei der Magie grässlich ist, und es gibt andere Punkte wo ich nicht sehr zufrieden bin mit 4E (Riggerregeln, die Definitionslücken in der Matrix, das gezwungene 2E Systemdesign, die zu große, gezwungen wirkende Realitätsnähe, das transhumanistische Getue), aber *das* sind nun nicht die Punkte die ich kritisieren würde.
Trolle mit 3m oder mehr Körpergröße sind für mich nicht mehr spielbar. Die sind bei jeder Infiltration ohne Nutzen, können keinen Fahrstuhl verwenden, in normalen Gebäuden nur kriechen und sind allgemein ein Klotz am Bein jeder Gruppe. Die geschrumpften sind integrierbar(er). Außerhalb einer Kampagne um Söldner, Gang oder Urban BRawl-Spieler wären Old Edition-Trolle nur mti sehr viel Handwaiving erklärbar. Allein was sie wiegen ... welcher Boden hält es denn aus wenn ein 800 kg-Troll darauf läuft? Was wenn er springt?
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Ja, aber so ernst(technisch korrekt) gemeint nicht mehr, sonst könnte sich jeder seine VR an den Hut stecken. Grade Hacken oder Riggen über wireless is so unsäglich dämlich sie´s technisch Blödsinn is.
Ja de Waffen...zugegeben....aber es nimmt halt beständig ab im Zusammenhang. Früher war es mit der Tarnstufe oder den Add-Ons(wie Zielfernrohr oder so) etwas kreativ geworden aber....jetzt versucht man die möglichen Zusammenhänge zu reduzieren. Und irgendwie hatte ich gehofft nie wieder mit einem Spieler diskutieren zu müssen warum genau er die Sturmkanone nicht unter den Mantel schiebt.
(Nein, ich fertige kein komplettes psychologisches Profil an bevor ich auf ner Con spiele...).
Jo, wo eigentlich eine drastische Runterkürzung nötig gewesen wäre(womit ich SR 3 wieder voll in die Verantwortung nehme). Ehrlich gesagt hab´ ich mich mit den Rigger- und Hacking-Regeln gar nicht mehr befasst, nur halt die Grundlagen bezüglich wireless(klar, stabiles breitband über Wireless, besonders stabil sei´t jeder nutzt). Ich hab´ auch meine Kritik an SR2 und 3(nicht zu knapp, eigentlich spielen wir´s nur wegen der Welt), aber im SR4+ waren irgendwie Leute am Drücker, die nie geleitet , und/oder nie eine Schraube irgendwo reingedreht haben.
Stimmt schon, 3m is praktisch urban nicht zu bewegen. Aber 2,7 isses durchaus, nur halt mit sehr fairen Nachteilen für all ihre Vorteile. Die Autos und Wohnungen müssen halt passen, das kostet, oder der Charakter lebt eher so mittelmäßig. Als Vergleich für´s reallife hab´ ich einen Kumpel der 220cm bringt, und der hat´s ziemlich normal(außer mit niedrigen Türen und Fiat Pandas.....klar, der Troll würde auch in der Breite etwas mehr an den Tag legen aber, der Kumpel bekommt ja auch nicht ST und KO +5).
jeder Char findet seinen Platz, und wenn´s eine Infiltration sein soll, dann kann auch der Troll was tun, aber halt vielleicht nicht als Kellner verkleidet vor Ort. Aber es gibt immer ein Backupplatz, mit dem er sich dann zufrieden geben muss. Auch als Trollspieler muss man sich halt darauf einstellen, hier und da nicht vollwertig mitmachen zu können(wie aber auch der andere Sam, der heulend daneben steht wenn der Troll alles zerpflückt).
xD Was mich daran erinnert welch hahnebüchene Angaben an Gewicht für Trolle im SR2 veranschlagt wurden, was war´s? Der Durchschnittstroll irgendwo bei 170Kg :rolf...genau....
Naja ich würde es so bei 300-350 veranschlagen, was heftig sein kann, aber die gleichen Nachteile bringt wie es die Vorteile halt fordern. Und in den meisten urbanen Kampfgebieten(Malls, Hintergassen oder Industrieanlagen) ist es sowieso entweder darauf ausgelegt dieses Gewicht durchaus zu tragen(auch hüpfend), oder halt durch den Troll "editierbar", denn einen Boden durchtreten zu können ist auch was wert, wenn man schon in so einer miesen Gegend ist, dass man das kann.
Btw. ich finde handwaiving eigentlich nicht schlecht, klar, auch weil es praktisch nicht möglich ist denkende Spieler UND das Regelwerk gleichzeitig gleichwertig zu behandeln. Ich stimme immer für ein Regelwerk, dass es dem denkenden SL leichter macht, aber irgendwo bleibt´s immer an der SL, die Welt so zu korrigieren, dass sie richtig passt und sich schön warm anfühlt. Aber bei Wireless, dass kann keine SL aus SR4+ rausrechnen, aber mit geht´s nicht, weil es logisch überall hapert.
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I would like that the trolls size could be something like an average 2m20, it's far enough... but considering, in SR1/2/3 they was described as 2m80, then in SR4 2m50 and now in SR5 an half meter taller than ork (which I think are still 1m90, so 2m40 like you shown here), who know, maybe in SR6 they will be 2m20
Anyway, nice job here.
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Yes, they shrink with every edition now. Poor trolls.
Thanks.
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As a Shadowrun player since 1st ed. Love it. As a guy who'd like to play shadowrun again, wish they'd put out some more material for current edition.
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Oh yes, they should publish faster. They're still not done with the core books, after all.
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Do not complain, here in france, we just had the translated paper version of the core book back in september... I don't even talk about the sourcebook (nor about the tons of SR2/3/4 sourcebook that was never translated)
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Yeah, not everything was translated into German either (though Pegasus does make a huge effort to, uh, improve the quality). Yay for PDFs.
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Yep, but if I'm right, you have a lot more sourcebook translated than us for every edition... Plus you have (or had ?) some german only sourcebook (that was never published elsewhere) the Germany sourcebook was one of them...
In France we only had the sourcebook France but it wasn't really canon since nobody in the US coordinated it and never read it. Plus many things wasn't kept in the Shadows of Europe. The only other book not published in the states was the SOX sourcebook that was wrote with French and German author. Each version (French and German) share the background part and have an exclusive campaign (that is theorically a cross over for each of them... Theorically because the german campaign was written and released before the french campaign was written plus we hadn't a translated version of the german campaign to write ours, we only had a general summary... :-/ )
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True enough, and Pegasus has done a fantastic job with translations, both in terms of added value (there's usually German-only content in all translated books), the books are hardcover and solidly bound, and yes, there are special German publications - I like the French campaign better, by the way.
Overall I'm really happy with Pegasus, but some more books ought to have been translated. They also have really fair prices with 5th Edition (well, I could also say you still gety our money's worth, though they are massive improvements on the American books altready in my opinion).
So Descartes doesn't do much of a good job? I'm signed on to their newsletter, but haven't heared from them for ages.
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Oh, you read the French campaign of SOX ? Do you read it in french or was it translated ? Anyway, I'm really glad if you like it. Can I ask you what you think specifically about the third part (the one taking place in Forbach) if you remember it ?
About the French translation, well Descartes edition was bought by Asmodée 10 years ago (long time I didn't hear about them ^^). Asmodée didn't want to continue the publication of Shadowrun and didn't renewed the licence. Before that, they didn't do a very good job (well, translating an adaptation of the SR1's Shadowtech sourcebook almost in the same time that Man & Machine was released in US...) and many interesting or important sourcebook was never translated (Speaking only about SR3, we lack sourcebook like, for example : Loose Alliance, Dragon of sixth world, Sprawl Survival Guide, Mr Johnson Little black book, SOTA63 & 64, brainscan, R:AS, System failure, Shadows of Asia, etc. And Shadows of Europe was finally translated after the release of the 4th edition.
Well, when Asmodée didn't renew their license, that's Black Book Edition who take it and they start with the release of the 4th edition. More accurately all the book since then was translated by a small group of fan (some was freelancer for somme original sourcebook). They do a pretty good job and add all the errata plus sometimes some new local content (at least in the firsts translation). But they are basically amateur and they did it on their free time. Plus Black Book Edition is a little company and have always many problem of impression / delivery / whatever that always delay the release of each book... At least, now, all the major sourcebook are translated a day or another. ^^
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I read it in French (with help from google) and partially translated it. Been a while, though. what's the question? I'll reread and then try and answer.
And I see, so it's been rather turbulent at your end too. I'm pretty glad the license made it's way to Pegasus, though. Their books are of an amazing quality, and with SR5, the prices (€19.99 for the core rules and larger rules books, and €9.99 for softcover adventure packages) are pretty good to, especially considering the books are all in all solidly bound and written/translated. Pegasus is, by game industry standards, a huge outfit, though, and has european tabletop games as their main source of revenue, so I guess they can afford some risky financial choices for their gaming lines.
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hello !
So, did you recall some things about the 3rd part of SOX ? In fact I ask because, to be honnest, I'm not inside anymore but I wrote this part at this time so I'm always curious whan I find someone who read it...
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I had no particular questions, I just wondered what is your thinking about the 3rd part of the campaign (the one where players come to Forbach to meet Der Schrotter).
I'm just curious about this one specifically ^^
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I hope you got the allowance to use the pics. One of them is an illustration for a charakter of mine, done by an other artist. It's okay with me that you use it, but I feel you should state the sources.
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I went with official art whenever possible, which according to Topps is okay for fanworks. I just found that the female elf actually is a character drawing commissioned privately (thanks for permission to use it!), I thought it was from an official source. Source for the elf Samurai has been added.
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Trolls, chummer... just, Trolls. I can't get enough of 'em... there's just so much to love. AmIRight?
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how about including imperial measurements (feet) on one of the chart ends.
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Will be aded as soon as I can figure out the correct intervals (by which I mean ask a Canadian friend of mine, which should be today).
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The Troll lady is awfully wasp-waisted 
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She is. I even thought about fiddling with it, but it looked too blurry. But decent images of emale Shadowrun trolls pretty much begin and end with her. Might exchange her or my second choice though, if she really canonically is a Formorian (she does look the part).
A Space Marine with and without armour? can be done. I'll send it to you privately.
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She might be, she does not seem to have horns.
and thanks, with armour would be sufficient,
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She has, just tiny ones hidden in her hair (hard to see at this resolution).
With Armour is easy (Tac and Terminator?). I think I do have a 'naked' Marine in my image folder though.
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I for one would love to see a similar chart for the 40k Universe. Humans, astartes, xenos of all kinds.
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