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Tears of the veteran
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Today I went to the monument to meet with the WWII Soviet veterans who saved us many years ago from the Nazis. While everyone was thanking this veteran he was crying..he couldn't say a word..he was happy that people remember their deeds..and remember people and soldiers who died during the war. I thank all the veterans who fought and made our world a better place.UPDATE: I got rid of the stroke and the USSR stars near my signature. This photo doesn't need decorations.
update2: minor color adjustments
Update DD: Thank you $Moonbeam13 and a friend who suggested (remained anonymous) Thank you, friends for all your comments! I will try to answer all the questions and comments! Thank you again!
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whole europe or even whole world should be thankfull for soviet veterans... if not for russia holding full powered nazies, history would be very different.
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It's a pity they died for empire almost as evil as III Reich.
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Your statement is an utter lie that only the willfully ignorant and hateful would state
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Irrelevant information
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You think so? Well, if you had someone in your family killed by soviet soldier or at least knew someone who lived in a communist country, I think you would change your mind. I mean things like no food in shops, army shooting to protesters, cenzorship, propaganda and such. And, after all we can't forget that communist reign led to death of:
- (estimated) 42 000 000 people in soviet gulags
- 10 million Ukrainians who starved to death between 1921 and 1947 due to enforced collectivization
- 3 million Cambodians under dictatorship of Pol Pot and his Red Khmers
- estimated 40 to 70 million Chinese after communist revolution in 1949
- 22 000 Polish soldiers, officers and intellectuals murdered in Katyn Massacre in 1940, (
And probably many many more
So, in the light of these facts I stick to the opinion that communists (most of them at least) were monsters, murderers and madmen, and they weren't much better than nazis. (For some time they were allies, weren't they?)
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You're citing Rummel, he's been debunked a long time ago.
My family lived through the entire USSR, one of my great-uncles spent 7 years on the Kolyma, my Great-grandmother was deported, And yet My great-grandmother was also a hero of workers labor, and my great-grandfather received more than a few medals and fought from Japan, to Berlin and back to Japan again. SO did that very same great-uncle who had earlier ended in Kolyma, and several other relatives, because if there is one thing that you don't get it's that blaming the government for every little thing, and yet you call anyone who critisizes a capitlaist government "lazy commies"
starting from the top, The Great Terror. This was a time of intense political upheaval, the purges of party and army members, and the killing of thousands of innocent civilians. I should at this point mention that among scholars there is very little debate about whether Stalin killed thousands of people. The debate is about whether you hold Stalin as the only one accountable (Which people in the West do) or whether you take a broader look to it as Stalin was an initiator and the system pervaded due to participation from the masses.
The argument that the West makes is that Stalin was a psychotic mass murderer who wantonly slaughtered millions of his citizens. The reality is that he made choices directly pertaining to the future of socialism, and made those choices in response to stimuli happening at the time. Communists often will argue about his ideology and if what he did was really the correct interpretation of Marx and Lenin. As a communist I cannot accept any criticism of Stalin's work without verifying all primary data pertaining to the question under debate and without considering all versions of facts and events, in particular the version given by the Bolshevik leadership.
Anyway back to the matter at hand. The Great Terror saw thousands of people killed, both innocent civilians, high ranking party members, and army members. At the time internal tensions were still extremely high within the SU. The civil war had only ended a few years prior, with thousands of White Guard Russians dying in defense of the tsar. The Western Powers had rendered assistance to the Whites under in the form of 250,000 troops spread across large portions of Russia. Internally spies sabotaged the limited industrial heart of the country. Truth and trust were in short supply.
The assistance provided to White Russian forces weighed heavily on the minds of the commitern leaders throughout the 20s and 30s, especially the idea of capitalist encirclement, and especially to Stalin who warned of external and internal threats to the country. Additionally, fascism was swiftly on the rise, Hitler was making no bones about his expansionist plans.
One of the big things that precipitated the Russian Revolution was military defeats by the Tsarist government. Its not too difficult to see why Stalin was so worried that the revolution could be overthrown, especially considering Japans imperialist pushing in Manchuria and the rise of fascism. External threats were as much a concern as internal ones.
Stalin and the upper comitern leadership therfor decided to eliminate internal and external threats that would provide a "fifth column" to the enemies invading the Soviet Union. Less a desire to murder randomly to instill terror, and more a desire to prepare the country for war. Most modern interpretations of the Great Terror believe that it was initiated at the top, to deal with close and obvious threats, but then spiraled out of control due to paranoia in Soviet society.
Another thing to realize is that the Soviet Union was a vast vast entity made up of republics. Abuses of human rights thus can be attributed to local implementation. Pointing out the foreign threat does not negate the importance of ideology or Stalins personality, but it remains an important factor in what happened.
As for collectivization. It was a dual implemented policy along with industrialization. Pretty much the entire party leadership, as well as almost every Communist and non-Communist engineers and technical specialists agreed that industrialization was important. Lack of industrialization had cost Russia dearly in WW1 against Germany, and contributed greatly to the military defeats suffered by the Tsar. Thus the dual policies of attempting to grow the agricultural and industrial output of the nation became matters of urgent national importance.
Some things accomplished under the SU (mostly with the basis established by Stalin)
- In a decade the country went from an industrial production of 12% of the US, to a country with 80% of the production of the USA, and 85% of the agricultural production. And then after a devastating war where 1/5 of the country had been demolished by the Nazid, they restored and exceeded that.
- Monetarily the USSR was inherently stable and had a currency more valuable than the dollar, (1.15 dollars over the Cold War)
- Employment was guaranteed, trade unions had the power to veto firings and recall managers and injured workers had job guarantees and sick pay as well as maternity leave
- Free education for all, including higher education (university). And the 10 grade system was in many ways more efficient than the US 12 grade system. The soviet's concerted effort to bring literacy to the more backwards areas of Russia brought literacy to nearly 100%. In 1983, the United States Commission on Excellence in Education published A Nation at Risk: The Imperative for Education Reform, in which it said that in regards to education, Americans were falling behind Russia. It is self evident that education significantly dropped in the USSR after capitalist reform (starting in 1986).
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Before the Revolution,76% of the people were illiterate, including 88%of the women. Virtually complete illiteracy prevailed among the indigenous populations of Siberia and Soviet Central Asia. Indeed, more than 40 languages had not been reduced to writing at all. Prior to the revolution, only 290,000 Russians possessed any kind of higher education, whereas the 1959 census reported that more than 13 Million citizens had some higher or specialized secondary education, and more than 45 million people had 7-10 years of education....Raising the literacy rate from 24% to 98.5% within the span of a single generation for more than 200 million people would be an achievement in itself if only one language were involved, to say nothing of the severe problems posed by a multilingual society....
To detail the massive character of the Soviet educational effort in Central Asia, the Uzbek Republic, which is the most advanced of the Central Asian areas today, as it was in pre-Revolutionary Russia, provides an apt illustration. Before the Revolution, only 2% of the population was literate. There were no native engineers, doctors, or teachers with a higher education. In short, Central Asia was no different in this respect from most of the colonial dependencies of the European powers, and worse off than many.
Today, in the Uzbek Republic alone, there are 32 institutions of higher learning, more than 100 technicums, 50 special technical schools, 12 teachers' colleges, and 1400 kindergartens. Nearly 2,500,000 children attend school, and more than 50% of its teachers have had some higher education...The rate of literacy is over 95%. The Republic before the Revolution possessed no public libraries: today there are nearly 5,000. The number of books printed in the Uzbek language in 1913 was 118,000;today it approaches 19 million. When this record is compared with that of Iran, Afghanistan, the Arab countries, the states of Southeast Asia, or even Turkey, all of which were at a comparable or more advanced level of educational attainment in 1914, the achievement is impressive...
Vernon V. Aspaturian
Modern Political Systems: Europe
- Free healthcare for all and about twice as many doctors as the USA (and that isn't even counting the countless medical innovations of the USSR:
"Citizens of the USSR have the right to health protection.
This right is ensured by free, qualified medical care provided by state health institutions; by extension of the network of therapeutic and health-building institutions; by the development and improvement of safety and hygiene in industry; by carrying out broad prophylactic measures; by measures to improve the environment; by special care for the health of the rising generation, including prohibition of child labour, excluding the work done by children as part of the school curriculum; and by developing research to prevent and reduce the incidence of disease and ensure citizens a long and active life." (Soviet Constitution, 1936)
Heart-lung transplant, lung transplant, kidney transplant, MRI, Radiological Keratomy, Cadaveric blood-transfusion, blood bank, artificial heart, Gramacidin S, Anthropometric cosmetology, Ilizarov Apparatus, Oxygen cocktail, Excimer laser (can be used as an eye surgery tool), EHF-therapy, experiments in head transplantation, etc.
- State regulated and subsidized food prices; State subsidies kept the price of books, magazines, periodicals, food etc. down
- No segregated housing by income existed (Though sometimes Party members lived in nicer areas). Housing was given for free, if you waited in a line, and in the meantime, apartments were given, (their limited amounts creating communals, the reason being the lack during Czarist Russia and WW 2 destroying almost all that had been built during the 20s and 30) OR if you wanted to get it sooner, you paid a 100 rubles annual fee for a few years (equivalent to a mortgage).
- Excellent public transport: In the USA we can have 1 inch of snow and the trains already have problems arriving and often are an HOUR late, I know from PERSONAL experience. I have never heard a complaint about late trains in the soviet bloc and I have read much and met many. Also the soviet train system was and is still considered one of the worlds best.
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Stalin turned a backwards nation into one of the worlds superpowers, and to say that all deaths that occurred under his rule can or should be attributed to just him and the Communist Party policies of the time is unfair and does not embrace the true depth of information that is available to us.USSR: redscans.files.wordpress.com/2…
Additional source; red-sovet.su/post/28731/massht…
1974 Soviet analysis of the Gulag Archipelago; archive.org/details/Archipelag…
Books on the Solzhenitsyns lies and the inconsistencies
books.google.com/books?id=INbV…
capital-online.info/pdf/the-gu…
American Historic Review data on GULAGs www.cercec.fr/materiaux/doc_me…
Another View of Stalin, Ludo Martens; stalinsocietypk.files.wordpres…
www.quora.com/Did-the-Soviet-e…
www.quora.com/Was-Holodomor-a-…
Grover Furrs analysis of every accusation of Stalin's "crimes"; msuweb.montclair.edu/~furrg/vv…
Douglas Tottle analyzing the myth of the Holodomor;
www.garethjones.org/tottlefrau…
2 seperate papers written by Tauger on the subject of the realities of the Holodmor;
web.archive.org/web/2011080609…
www.as.wvu.edu/history/Faculty…
Article summarizing and disputing holodomor myths;
www.greanvillepost.com/2015/08…
2 articles by Robert Lindsay disputing the lies of Stalin being worse than Hitler;
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42 million exceeds the number of people who went through the Gulags (just went through them, NOT DIED) (over the entire soviet historical period) by over 2x. Meanwhile the number of Gulag deaths was a little higher than 1 million, and from sickness or lack of food mostly during WW 2 when Germans bombed supply lines. The number of execution orders given was 800,000+ but only 600,000 or so were carried out. Additionally those to blame for violation of law (Yezhov), were court-martialed and executed.
The 1932 famine was 5 million people across the USSR, not just Ukraine, and was caused by crop failure, wheat rust, and the golden embargo of 1927 (which lasted 'til 1934), AND YET the Soviet standard of living compared to the world increased by nearly 2x and the population increased by 10 million.
the 1947 famine was due to WW 2 or the MOST DEVASTATING WAR THE PLANET HAS SEEN which mostly occurred in the USSR, meaning it bore the brunt of that, the numbers there are 2 million deaths, again not caused by collectivization but by war.
the 1921 famine was due to the after-math of WW 1 and the same situation occurred across Western Europe as well, with Germany being in the same state
Pol Pot and the CIA en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegati…
www.jacobinmag.com/2015/04/khm…
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Katyn: None of them were "intellectuals" all were police and soldiers POWs from 1939 who were interned according to the neutrality agreement in the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. They were executed in 1941 by the Nazis, not the USSR, there has not been a single witness or bit of evidence, that wasn't presented by the Nazis (who were proven to doctor documents), that points to soviet blame, PERIOD.
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"All the evidence I secured showed that the Polish group in London was more interested in doing something against Russia than in doing anything for Poland. This made it easy to understand why they accepted and spread the Goebbels story about the murder of 10,000 Poles in Smolensk. Their unhesitating acceptance of this Nazi propaganda caused the Soviet government to sever relations with the Polish government-in-exile in 1943. It will be remembered that the Germans captured Smolensk on the night of July 15th 1941. Almost two years later Goebbels broadcast to the world that the Russians had killed 10,000 Polish prisoners there, and that their bodies had been found in the Katyn Forest. The Polish government-in-exile immediately gave credence to the Nazi allegation by asking the international Red Cross to investigate. It seemed a preposterous charge. If the Russians had really killed the Poles it would have been known by the people of Smolensk and the Germans would certainly have found out about it almost immediately. It was not the sort of thing that the Germans would have kept quiet about for two years. The Red Army retook Smolensk on September 25, 1943, and the Soviet government immediately instituted an investigation of a massacre.
I visited the Katyn Forest with American, British, Chinese, and French correspondents. Dr. Victor Prozorovsky, Director of the Moscow Institute of Criminal Medical Research, showed me about. The 10,000 bodies had been dug up, and the Russians were systematically examining everything found on them as well as performing autopsies. Eleven doctors were working continuously. I watched some of the autopsies, which were very thorough. The bodies, including the internal organs, were remarkably well preserved. The doctor said that this alone was sufficient to prove the falsity of the charge.
The Russians found letters on the bodies dated after the Germans occupied the city, thus proving that the victims could not had been killed at the time alleged. We talked with a Russian priest whose parish was in the Katyn Forest. He had been driven out of this church by the Germans, and then the building had been surrounded by barbed wire and SS men. The priest declared that the Germans had killed the Poles there. A Russian who had served under the Germans testified that the German authorities had ordered the death of the Polish prisoners. The diary of the Mayor who fled with the Germans contained clear evidence that the Germans had committed the murders. However, the fact which impressed me as much as any other, was that the corpses still had their fine leather boots. I had seen, traveling at the front, that it was general Russian practice to remove the boots of the dead. It seemed unlikely that they would have made an exception in this case, and left 10,000 pairs of good boots behind. Every correspondent who visited Katyn Forest came away convinced that it was another Nazi atrocity."
Davis, Jerome. Behind Soviet Power. New York, N. Y.: The Readers’ Press, Inc., c1946, p. 99
China: monthlyreview.org/commentary/d…
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So in the light of this, I determine you are a fucking idiot who studied nothing.
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Today’s leftists, socialists and progressives would bristle at the suggestion that their agenda differs little from those of Nazi, Soviet and Maoist mass murderers. One does not have to be in favor of death camps or wars of conquest to be a tyrant. The only requirement is that one has to believe in the primacy of the State over individual rights.
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Well, I see there will always be "two versions" of communism. Nonetheless, some facts are undeniable and though I may exaggerate numbers, it remains firm that none of other political systems is responsible for murdering as many people around the world as communism. As to Katyn, it is widely known fact.
Katyn
"21,768 officers, doctors, policemen and other public servants" - so not only POWs
The Poles were encouraged to believe they would be released, but the interviews were in effect a selection process to determine who would live and who would die. On 5 March 1940, Stalin signed their death warrant--an NKVD order condemning 21,857 prisoners to "the supreme penalty: shooting." They had been condemned as "hardened and uncompromising enemies of Soviet authority."
For a translation of the order, see Allen Paul, Katyn: Stalin's Massacre and the Seeds of Polish Resurrection (Annapolis, MD; the Naval Institute Press, 1996), pp. 353-354. The same order identified an additional 18,632 prisoners, including 10,685 Poles, being held in NKVD jails in western Ukraine and Belorussia (formerly eastern Poland) for possible execution. A KGB memorandum of February 1959 cites 21,857 as the total number of executions during the April-May 1940 action. See Dmitri Volkogonov, Autopsy of an Empire: The Seven Leaders Who Built the Soviet Regime (New York: The Free Press, 1998), p. 220.
In 1989, with the collapse of Soviet Power, Premier Gorbachev finally admitted that the Soviet NKVD had executed the Poles, and confirmed two other burial sites similar to the site at Katyn. Stalin's order of March 1940 to execute by shooting some 25,700 Poles, including those found at the three sites, was also disclosed with the collapse of Soviet Power.
''It is not easy to speak of this tragedy, but it is necessary,'' Mr. Gorbachev said. The Soviet Government has for the first time officially and publicly accepted responsibility for this long-denied crime of the Stalinist era, a massacre in the thick pine and birch forests west of Smolensk.
Katyn Massacre - mass execution of Polish military officers by the Soviet Union during World War II - definition from Britannica
In November 2010 the State Duma (the lower house of the Russian Federal Assembly) officially declared that Joseph Stalin and other Soviet leaders were responsible for ordering the execution of the Polish officers at Katyn.
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www.rbth.com/articles/2010/11/…
www.britannica.com/event/Katyn…
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www.nytimes.com/1990/04/14/wor…
Truth will always prevail.
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1) Nazism isn't socialism that's been debunked years ago, in fact nazism is a form of capitalism, your article is a poorly written, short claim work that frankly is pathetic on the background of what I sent you.
www.jacobinmag.com/2014/04/cap…
www.youtube.com/watch?v=UY98Ey…
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDQVCI…
www.newsweek.com/nazis-democra…
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Economically it is highly privatized, and if you say yale is wrong despite others supporting the same consensus, and it being a FACT, you're a retard.
economics.yale.edu/sites/defau…
www.snopes.com/2017/09/05/were…
www.ub.edu/graap/nazi.pdf
www.ub.edu/graap/JEP.pdf
So your first point is already dead in the water.
Your second point ignores the sources I posted, which have
A) identified the documents referencing to 21,000 executed as fraudulent.
B) Proven that there was a conspiracy to falsify documents, during the Gorbachev era, in fact, several 'witnesses' who wrote damning testimonies, posthumously stated that they were forced to do so.
Bourgeois sources blithely claim that Soviet evidence in support of blaming the Germans for the atrocity was either totally absent or based purely on hearsay evidence of terrorised inhabitants of the region. They don’t mention one piece of evidence which even Goebbels had to admit was a bit of a bummer from his point of view. He wrote in his diary on 8 May 1943,
“Unfortunately, German ammunition has been found in the graves at Katyn … It is essential that this incident remains a top secret. If it were to come to the knowledge of the enemy the whole Katyn affair would have to be dropped. “
The State Duma's statement is illegal and disregards the need for this to be proven in a court of law. In 1991 such a court took place, a trial of the CPSS and the verdict (despite the government being in control of anti-communists) was that all Katyn evidence presented against the CPSU has been proven as fraudulent. They can talk out their ass all they like, facts don't back them up. it's like if Allende were to officially say that he ordered the deaths of all the people who were killed in Pinochet, when in reality the facts show that it was Pinochet.
Or the Baby yar massacre, if the Germans state that they did it regardless of whether they officially state that, the facts prove otherwise.
I love how you can't address a damn thing here except fucking Katyn, and I love how, after I brow-beat you with sources debunking your anti-communist tripe, you try and shit it to, "nazis were socialists too!"
If you thought you could bullshit me on history, you're barking up the wrong tree.
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Well, it seems you're red all over. You can believe in anything you want, that communism was great, that proofs of Katyn Massacre were faked, that the Earth is flat, whatever. One thing I'm sure is that I'll never believe in those pathetic lies. Soviet Union is gone and let's hope it will never rise again. Of course, unless you don't mind living in a gulag. Anyway, I've got better things to do than arguing with reds, but I assure you that we Poles won't forget.
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"we poles won't forget"
Right, but you forgot how your Home Army slaughtered entire Latvian villages and attacked soviet forces DURING the war. convenient.
your retarded nationalist opinion isn't shit compared to factual evidence. A forged letter that is written left handed and attributed to a righthanded person isn't evidence but fraud. In any case You have proven that you can't prove shit, and thus your hatred is meaningless and based on lies and beliefs that are the mainstay of your entire world-view. If it is gone then you can no longer have your heroes or hate your enemies because your heroes are no longer heroes and enemies no longer enemies. People like you subconsciously fear losing that and thus shitpost because your don't want to believe the evidence, even providing fake evidence to try and support yourself.
Frankly I'm bored with you, bye bye sheep.
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poles were always the worst scum of slavs
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If you look at the war casualties you realize how little the rest of the Allies lost compared to Russia.
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That is the face of a hero who mourns for the people he fought against and the friends he lost through conflict.
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Don't cry, Old Hero...
You're did very good job...
Thanks for the Great Victory'
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A very powerful photo, very impressive, though simple one. I am so glad that people from other countries remember and understand what actually the soviet soldiers did for everyone during the WWII.
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Very, very moving. We owe the Soviet soldier of WWII more than we know. They bought the time needed to amass material and sufficiently strong Allied armies with blood. Though I had to stand ready to fight them decades later, their sacrifice will never be forgotten by me.
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Великолепно! Восхитительно! Самое лучшее, что я когда-либо видела!!!!
Просматривая ЭТО, среди прочих фото на ДевианАрт, я еще раз убедилась как глубока русская душа! Работы американцев, меркнут и выглядят нелепо по сравнению с ЭТИМ!
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Such emotion in this, it's incredible what he must have been through to fight for everyone's honor and freedom.
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This made me cry... He did well... He did well.
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This seriously makes me want to cry. His expression just tears me down
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This is absolutely powerful.
I have a huge respect for the men and women in any country who dedicate their time and future into fighting for and protecting their country and people. Very emotional, very noble.
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this is verry powerfull . altough i am studying communism , i jsut have great respect for the soldiers of the red army . the fought the hardest of all army's . and all we say about them is that they were barbaric and retared . i alway's say , if there was not red army , you all were german's .
i thank you for this amazing piece of art
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This is just...so soul shaking...it made me cry when I saw it, and I don't consider myself an overly emotional person, this is just so...beautiful and incredible...
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Wow. So inspiring and great to see a soldier of WWII to cry over joy and happiness to know that everyone thanks him for his deeds and commitment. May God give him a place of sanctity next to his throne, for he is not a regular soldier, but a soldier of God's in his eyes.
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Такая фотография как я редко видела, простая и очень глубокая в одное время. Нет слов просто.
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That is a beautiful. I don't think there is anything that can describe this photo other than I not only see his emotion, but I can almost feel it.
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Amount of emotion here is absolutely amazing.
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This is incredibly moving !!! Such feelings are conveyed by the majestic, and at the same time fragile, face.
This man is being so amazingly human. This is really, really wonderful ! Congratulations !
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The emotion in this piece is incredibly touching...
Remarkable shot.
Has me in tears.
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