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This is an in context view of some of the copyright acts and treaties that have put us all in a dangerous position where every user of the internet is guilty until proven innocent.Unless SOPA and ACTA comes with provisions that the accuser has to buy the accused a parrot and pirate hat, I won't stop opposing them.
In the end, copyright isn't really possible to enforce against every day people. We shouldn't be criminal just because we have copied material or because we choose to share them. Nor should the law allow people to ignore due process or constitutional rights.
There is a certain amount of moral justice taking place online at the moment where media companies who have long gotten away with 100 year copyright terms and hardly any sharing or mixing have to face sharing and remixing as a natural part of how the Internet works.
I obviously think that copyright works for copyleft and in certain places; so I'm not advocating for the repeal of the 1978 Copyright act. But the DMCA must go and ACTA, SOPA and PIPA must be defeated.
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CureLovelyWarrior [2012-04-17 20:13:45 +0000 UTC]
I agree with this... especially the its good to share part.
However I want to make it clear I dont just say that to the big companies and fat cats... but also the inmature teenagers on da who use copyright as an excuse to make drama!
the people for instance who say "you cant use it because its mine" without actually saying how using something of theirs, in a positive way, is actually hurtful, harmful, or bad....
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doctormo In reply to CureLovelyWarrior [2012-04-17 21:37:39 +0000 UTC]
That's a human tendency. What I make IS MINE! ... Er no, what I have here on my computer when I view your image is actually a copy of it, and that memory of the image is in my brain. Do these people suppose they own the contents of my computer and memories in my head too?
Our problem is that copyright is too strong and the emphasis on creative works on being 'property' doesn't help.
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CureLovelyWarrior In reply to doctormo [2012-04-17 23:32:46 +0000 UTC]
yeah, to me its not "stealing property" if all you do is use a copy of it...
and that includes, but not limited to...
using a song which you actually bought the CD of in a game you develop or youtube fan video
using a graphic you didnt make, such as a sprite or fan art, in a game you develop
and by the above I mean without permission... perhaps credited and perhaps not... but without claiming it as yours or making money...
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doctormo In reply to CureLovelyWarrior [2012-04-18 01:53:00 +0000 UTC]
Well the making money part is a bit of a red herring. Most creative people want two things: Recognition and Sufficient income. Only mega pop stars and crazy mega corps want money for nothing after the creative work has been made (think of the pensions!).
If you're giving them credit in the game, gave them an opportunity to object (what's called moral rights) then so long as they got paid to make the work already, then you've got every right to make money off your work involving their work too. The problem is, too many creative people and businesses make data for free and then expect to recoup their 'investment' later, when this model of business is clearly not possible and instead of admitting defeat the idea is to harm society instead.
But fact is, data doesn't work like they want it to work and it never will.
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CureLovelyWarrior In reply to doctormo [2012-04-18 02:46:02 +0000 UTC]
I really dont understand how money is even involved here. I use something they made and are not selling... such as a fan made sprite of an already existing character that they dont own the rights to.... in a game I make, that I am NOT selling. All I am doing is making something for fun, and I really wish people would stop making it sound business like. I am not making money, nor is the creator of the graphic losing out on any. Just leave money out of it already... because I already agree with anyone who says stealing money with it is wrong!
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doctormo In reply to CureLovelyWarrior [2012-04-18 03:25:47 +0000 UTC]
Ah then we disagree. Because I believe making money out of derivative works is a very good thing, it is exactly how open source works. There is no reason why you should not be able to and it's not stealing anything at all.
Of course if making money is ok, then you can bet heavy that non-profit personal use is so ok that it's silly to even talk about.
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CureLovelyWarrior In reply to doctormo [2012-04-18 05:47:13 +0000 UTC]
I see... so basically if I use a fan made mario sprite in my game without permission, then make money off it... and neither the person who drew it OR nintendo gets any of the money I make, you think its okay then?
And I have to say... I'd much rather talk to someone with beliefs such as yours, then all the rediculous copyright NAZIS I always run into on da making all their little anti-theft stamps like they think copying and using something for free is actually theft...
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doctormo In reply to CureLovelyWarrior [2012-04-18 13:35:59 +0000 UTC]
Copyright here gets tricky, because it includes trademarks. If you were to use the Mario sprite and it wasn't a central theme/character, then you could claim you weren't breaking trademarks and just referencing him culturally. But it'd be easier to use the cloud sprite
I admit, I do have to let go of my works sometimes and accept people making money off them when I see it. Because it does hurt a little. But that's something for me to get over, not to start a war over
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CureLovelyWarrior In reply to doctormo [2012-04-18 14:55:58 +0000 UTC]
I see... well I like the idea of you not starting wars, especially if the damage to you is not very bad.
My extra strong belief though is about the things where I am NOT making money off something, nor is the creator losing out on money... I am not lying by claiming it as mine when its not.... I am not making anything malicious with it like porn or bullying people... so in otherwords, my usage of it is completely positive... and yet for some unexplained reason, people feel like its a personal violation that I used it without permission!
I know I am like crusading and making anti-copyright posts all over da, sometimes it might not be productive... but I am having trouble getting over being hurt because I actually lost a best friend over this. She made me GIFT ART... then told me not to edit it, or upload an edited version of it.... even if I made something positive. And this person claimed to love positive vibes and spirituality, so it surprised me she was like that. thats's fakeness for you. Well I uploaded the edited version anyway, here it is: [link]
[/bragbragbrag... personal issues... Im sorry]
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doctormo In reply to CureLovelyWarrior [2012-04-18 16:24:41 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, it's a bit of a downer when friends are involved. That's why they say that if you lend a neighbor money, keep records but If you lend a friend money, keep _very_ good records alas if you lend your brother money, kiss it goodbye.
Sounds like you went through the works. This is one reason why I also insist upon creative commons for all works I pay other artists to make. It just makes it easier because the artist knows they'll always be credited and I know I'll always be able to use it however I want. Gifts are a bit more tricky though.
Have you used Inkscape yet? It's avery good tool for this kind of art. Check out my recent works in my gallery.
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CureLovelyWarrior In reply to doctormo [2012-04-18 16:59:15 +0000 UTC]
What it comes down to is I really dont care about all the legal drama and stuff... all I really care about is that someone who claimed to be my best friend and support positive vibes... squashed a positive vibe without any good reason for why its wrong... felt personally invaded over something that was supposed to be happy... and was a hypocrite and fake.
My saying is that as long as you have good intent, you can do whatever you want. As long as you have bad intent, you can't do anything. I think its extremely wrong to ever reject something someone does with good intentions, especially when there isn't even a good reason to do so. so thats why I NEVER buy it when they say "dont use because its mine"... because there isnt actually a good reason why something that is *theirs* cant be shared and used by you too... its just selfishness.
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CureLovelyWarrior In reply to CureLovelyWarrior [2012-04-18 02:55:55 +0000 UTC]
Also I want to say something about the "moral rights part. ever seen this icon before?
I am sure you have seen it all over the place. Well most of the people who use it DONT object in a MORAL way. they are just inmature teenagers... and are like "This in MINE, and only MINE... you cant use it in anyway shape or form simply because I say so...and its illegal so if you do it I will sue you"
And I really cant take those kinda people seriously... and yes, if I wanted to use their work in a positive way, I would use it despite them posting that icon. And I also think its morally wrong to ever object to positive usage, especially when said objection is for selfish reasons, which most of them are. And that is why I dont feel like I should need permission to use stuff. And if someone makes porn or hate art of their work... I am opposed to any porn and hate art even if they DO have permission!
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CureLovelyWarrior In reply to CureLovelyWarrior [2012-04-17 23:34:25 +0000 UTC]
and these examples are why I think copyight is too strong.. cause really, the contents of my computer and my brain... may be a little exaggerated... but its a great point!
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Addal In reply to doctormo [2012-01-28 19:18:18 +0000 UTC]
No problem
I thought ACTA isn't actually in effect though, just being negotiated...how it is shown on your chart seems a little misleading.
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doctormo In reply to Addal [2012-01-28 21:37:26 +0000 UTC]
True, It's been in discussion and I should probably make that clearer for all blocks between their discussion and their enactment/ratification.
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doctormo In reply to Artman40 [2012-01-22 23:29:04 +0000 UTC]
Either get them reversed or amended.
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Artman40 In reply to doctormo [2012-01-22 23:53:33 +0000 UTC]
How to start the initiative to reverse international agreements which we didn't want?
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doctormo In reply to Artman40 [2012-01-23 00:16:35 +0000 UTC]
Ah that's harder to do and we don't really have a democratic process for foreign diplomacy.
In fact this is what makes it such a good point of attack for any rich and powerful oligarchy/hegemony. The diplomats will try their best; but a combination of access to diplomats, ability to organise international committees and money in the right pockets or the susceptible.
In fact I think the access to politicians and diplomats for the rich and powerful causes more trouble than just bribery. But that's my dialectic brain thinking.
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Artman40 In reply to doctormo [2012-01-23 00:40:29 +0000 UTC]
And those kids who keep throwing their money at Hollywood need to be properly educated. In addition, we should also start applying pressure to companies, not only governments.
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jkltechinc In reply to Artman40 [2012-02-01 10:17:36 +0000 UTC]
Elect them with your wallet
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Artman40 In reply to jkltechinc [2012-02-01 11:29:39 +0000 UTC]
Does that mean the only way to beat them is to become them.
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doctormo In reply to Artman40 [2012-01-23 00:42:41 +0000 UTC]
Elected companies sounds fun! :-D
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