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Description A great quote by a great man. The Bible has all the answers we need for life and a relationship with God.
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Genesis-Orbit In reply to ??? [2013-08-13 22:11:33 +0000 UTC]

I repeat, you called Jesus a douche.  This is insulting Christians.  I thought you could make the connection that insulting Christ is the same thing as insulting Christians.


And you answered your questions by saying "yeah that makes sense, and how nice."  I thought I made that clear in my post above.  If you're going to end your questions with statements like that, that's all the evidence I need to show that these are not legit questions.  And really, "Too hard for him?"  I mean really is that a legit question?  Do you really want to hear me tell you No it is not too hard for him lol?


So yeah, there you go, please let me know if I've been unclear again.

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SleepingNinniku In reply to Genesis-Orbit [2013-08-15 16:59:08 +0000 UTC]

Well, that's where you made a wrong connection. If Christians feel offended when someone insults their imaginary friend, that's their problem, since they can't even prove that such a god exists. As long as I don't personally offend you, it's your problem if you feel offended by something I said. Even if I did so, how would that stop you from answering my questions properly?

And you're probably right that I didn't assume a Christian could answer questions about their faith, but all you're doing is to use that as an excuse to avoid answering any questions at all.
If you can't answer my questions, because you don't know the answers, fine, just say so. If you simply don't want to have a discussion, that's also fine. Since I assumed that from the beginning, I'm not disappointed. The use of sarcasm at the end of a question just indicates that I don't expect a reasonable answer from a Christian, it doesn't make the question less "legit".

1 Peter 3:15 But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect,...

If I ask "Too hard for him?" and all you can say to that is "No it is not too hard for him (lol)" instead of trying to explain why, how you know that, etc., it really just shows me that this whole "personal relationship with god" thing is just  a lot of hogwash and nothing more, otherwise you could give a little more profound answers than that.

Well...

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Genesis-Orbit In reply to SleepingNinniku [2013-08-15 22:42:24 +0000 UTC]

Imaginary?  It's not like Jesus actually didn't exist, so to say that he is "imaginary" just makes me feel like I'm wasting my time talking to you.  That's the problem, all you want is proof, and that's not the point of a faith.  And ok, maybe it is my problem, but putting Jesus and Christianity aside, there's no need to use that kind of language unless you're just looking for a fight.


Well again, if your desire to seek a reasonable answer, you certainly have an interesting way of presenting your questions if you truly want to learn.  You're right, I don't have a lot of the answers to your questions because quite frankly, I don't know how to explain to you that what Jesus did wasn't suicide.  Yes he had the power to save himself, but what he did was an act of love because his crucifixion was a sacrifice.  He loved us so much, he was willing to give his life to save the world from sin.  Just because Jesus had the power to save himself doesn't mean he committed suicide, he was still arrested by the Romans and hung up on a cross.


I have told you the reason I have hope, telling you the reason why I have hope is not the same thing as proving you that I'm right.


He can't create sin free humans because we live in a world of sin, this goes back to the book of Genesis where Adam and Eve ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.  That's when sin entered the world.  That's where the term, Creation, Fall, and redemption comes from.  He gives us free will to make the decisions because we're made in his image.  Sorry I just thought that you would have read the Bible if you were going to debate it.

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SleepingNinniku In reply to Genesis-Orbit [2013-08-17 17:28:39 +0000 UTC]

"Imaginary?  It's not like Jesus actually didn't exist, so to say that he is "imaginary" just makes me feel like I'm wasting my time talking to you.  That's the problem, all you want is proof, and that's not the point of a faith.  And ok, maybe it is my problem, but putting Jesus and Christianity aside, there's no need to use that kind of language unless you're just looking for a fight."
--> Er, would you mind sharing with me and the rest of the world all the overwhelming evidence you seem to possess concerning Jesus'
existence, life and especially resurrection, since that's kind of the crucial part of the whole thing. I bet all the
Theology and History scholars who are very doubtful about the whole issue of Jesus existence would be pretty surprised.
You might even get the Nobel Price for you're eye opening research, who knows? (You might detect a hint of sarcasm there, just ignore it and actually address the issue raised...)
Oh and boohoo, I called Jesus a douche? I don't think he cares, since he's dead/non-existent...If you've proven the opposite, I won't call him names again, promise...

"Well again, if your desire to seek a reasonable answer, you certainly have an interesting way of presenting your questions if you truly want to learn."
--> At this point, I actually don't think you can teach me anything I haven't heard a million times before...so, hm, you might have a point there.

"I don't know how to explain to you that what Jesus did wasn't suicide. Yes he had the power to save himself, but what he did was an act of love because his crucifixion was a sacrifice.  He loved us so much, he was willing to give his life to save the world from sin.  Just because Jesus had the power to save himself doesn't mean he committed suicide, he was still arrested by the Romans and hung up on a cross."
--> Ok, lets put the whole suicide thing beside. What's more interesting is why does god need a sacrifice at all to forgive sins?
Why make up such stupid violent rules? Why not be loving and forgiving? He created us the way we are, so he knew from the very
beginning what would become of the whole thing. He did it anyway, so why whine about the fact we're not behaving the way he
wants us to behave? If he wanted creatures that behaved a certain way, why not just create them instead of creating us who
don't behave like that and then demanding it from us and blaming us for not being able to do it?

"I have told you the reason I have hope, telling you the reason why I have hope is not the same thing as proving you that I'm right."
--> Yeah, it's kind of pointless to tell me something, without providing me the evidence to prove that what you told me is in fact true, so that I can accept it as truth, I thought that's kind of obvious. If you know it's true you should have evidence for that which should be easy to show me, so it's just weird that you don't do that. Or is it just anecdotal and not testable evidence?

"He can't create sin free humans because we live in a world of sin, this goes back to the book of Genesis where Adam and Eve ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.  That's when sin entered the world.  That's where the term, Creation, Fall, and redemption comes from.  He gives us free will to make the decisions because we're made in his image."
--> More unproven claims...and did you write "He can't create sin free humans because we live in a world of sin"? He CAN'T?
Well, there goes god's omnipotence and omniscience right out the window (Oh my, more sarcasm...)

"Sorry I just thought that you would have read the Bible if you were going to debate it."
--> I find it quite hilarious that you think I haven't read the Bible. LOL! All I've been doing is ask questions (in a sarcastic manner, yeah, yeah, I get it), I haven't made a single claim and certainly not one from which you could deduce that I haven't read the Bible. I'm not the one making claims here. By the way, you're not debating the Bible either, you're just telling me what it says...kind of pointless. If I ask a Christian about something the Bible says and they simply repeat what it says? That's not debating it or explaining anything, but it certainly makes them sound like the sheep they want to be. Pity.

Well, have a nice Sunday.

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Genesis-Orbit In reply to SleepingNinniku [2013-08-17 19:28:43 +0000 UTC]

I'm going to try to make this as clear as possible.  You're asking me questions regarding Christianity.  I'm answering questions about Christianity by using the source of information that we have, which is the bible.  You respond to me saying that the bible isn't a reliable source of information.  Well ok then, I don't really quite understand why you were getting so upset that I wasn't answering your questions.  I gave you answers to your questions, however you want to respond to that is not my decision to make.  The bible is a book of faith, not a book of science, and maybe someday you'll realize that science doesn't trump faith, and faith doesn't trump science.  Morgan Freeman said himself in an interview, "I'm a man of faith," despite the fact that he hosts through the wormhole, a show of science.


Considering that I feel nothing has been accomplished here in the week or so that we've been having this talk, I'm going to stop responding.  You can leave with the satisfaction that you put me in my place as the narrow minded Christian that I am.  Have a good one.

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SleepingNinniku In reply to Genesis-Orbit [2013-08-20 14:52:38 +0000 UTC]

Hm, I can't really recall you answering any of my questions, but ok. I just thought that a Christian with a "personal relationship"
with god could tell me a bit more than just what's written in the Bible. I for example asked more than once why god likes blood
sacrafices so much, no answer to that. Why don't you just ask god and then give me his answer or pray that he'll give me an
answer to that question or whatever? Aren't you curious about that yourself? Do you just accept anything and everything that's written in the Bible?
It seems kind of weird that all you can do is point to the Bible for answers when you claim you believe in and even
have a relationship with an omnipotent loving being that created all and everything but even with him on your side you're
not able to answer a few simple questions regarding his motives. That's just odd to me. What kind of "personal relationship" is that?
Weird.

And I have absolutely no idea what Morgan Freeman has to do with anything but I guess if I find what he actually said it probably wasn't about god or the Bible or faith in the religious sense where you don't need any evidence to believe in something. But nice try.

Why do you regard faith as something positive anyway? I find no evidence it's rational to believe anything. If you can prove it, why believe it? If you can't prove it, why believe it?

Well, anyway.

Bye.

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Genesis-Orbit In reply to SleepingNinniku [2013-08-20 20:52:13 +0000 UTC]

Ok, I'm breaking my promise just this once lol.  I guess I just don't feel like I want to be interrogated, I'm happy to answer questions you may have about the Bible, but to answer your questions by relating what it means to me...try thinking of it like this.  Say someone asks me what they should do in their relationship with their boyfriend or girlfriend, and I think, well my girlfriend and I deal with it like this, so maybe you should do that.  I don't think that works because what works for and my girlfriend won't necessarily work for everyone, it's not a solve all solution that everyone can relate to cause every relationship is different.  Trying to explain to you my relationship with God and what it means to me, well ok it has the potential to help you understand, but considering the way our conversation stated, and the fact that you called Jesus a douche, .  You came off as someone that just wanted to argue.  If your questions didn't have those condescending overtones, well maybe I would be a little more forthcoming with my answers.


My point with Morgan Freeman is that you can be scientific and explore questions about the universe and you don't need to look at science at something that is here to disprove God.  If God created the universe, science, math, everything in this universe should be here as a result of him.  It doesn't prove him, but it certainly doesn't disprove him.


And as far as faith goes, I guess I just look at it as something that humans have.  I think as wonderful as humans are, we shouldn't limit ourselves to what can only be proven because there is so much that hasn't been proven in the universe.  If we only believe what can be proven, well it just feel limiting, like we're denying what makes us human.  Faith is a concept that our minds thought up of, the fact that we're aware of our existence and we understand that life was before us and will be after us, this is all part of what makes us unique.  Call it what you want, but faith is something everyone has, doesn't need to be limited to the existence of God.


Maybe you can answer me something.  Your dA page, you identify yourself as an Ex-Christian, I mean literally that's the first thing you read in your about me section.  Why do you want to be identified as something you used to be but aren't any more?  If you haven't noticed, there has hardly even been an occurrence in our conversation where I even brought up the fact that I'm a Chrsitian.  Maybe you should just try to focus on being yourself, because when people see that, all it's going to say to everyone whenever you bring up religion is that you're trying to validate your belief.  I'm not trying to be a jerk here either.

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SleepingNinniku In reply to Genesis-Orbit [2013-08-28 15:30:07 +0000 UTC]

"Ok, I'm breaking my promise just this once lol.  I guess I just don't feel like I want to be interrogated, I'm happy to answer questions you may have about the Bible, but to answer your questions by relating what it means to me...try thinking of it like this.  Say someone asks me what they should do in their relationship with their boyfriend or girlfriend, and I think, well my girlfriend and I deal with it like this, so maybe you should do that.  I don't think that works because what works for and my girlfriend won't necessarily work for everyone, it's not a solve all solution that everyone can relate to cause every relationship is different."
--> God is like a boyfriend/girlfriend? ...what?? No idea what you mean to say with this analogy. Do you mean everyone has a different god just like everyone has different boy/girlfriends?

"Trying to explain to you my relationship with God and what it means to me, well ok it has the potential to help you understand, but considering the way our conversation stated, and the fact that you called Jesus a douche, .  You came off as someone that just wanted to argue.  If your questions didn't have those condescending overtones, well maybe I would be a little more forthcoming with my answers."
--> More excuses for not answering my question.

"My point with Morgan Freeman is that you can be scientific and explore questions about the universe and you don't need to look at science at something that is here to disprove God.  If God created the universe, science, math, everything in this universe should be here as a result of him.  It doesn't prove him, but it certainly doesn't disprove him."
--> Since there is absolutely no scientific evidence of god whatsoever...science doesn't need to prove or disprove god. You can't disprove god anyway, the same way you can't disprove unicorns and vampires. It's on the people making the claim that god exists to prove his existence.

"And as far as faith goes, I guess I just look at it as something that humans have.  I think as wonderful as humans are, we shouldn't limit ourselves to what can only be proven because there is so much that hasn't been proven in the universe.  If we only believe what can be proven, well it just feel limiting, like we're denying what makes us human.  Faith is a concept that our minds thought up of, the fact that we're aware of our existence and we understand that life was before us and will be after us, this is all part of what makes us unique.  Call it what you want, but faith is something everyone has, doesn't need to be limited to the existence of God."
--> Finally you're hitting on something. Yes faith is a human construct and yes every human being believes in something. Unfortunately you overdid it by saying why not believe in everything that hasn't been proven. That's not very intelligent or logical because then you have to believe in absolutely everything ever. As I said, vampires? Not disproven. Unicorns? Not disproven. All the other thousands of gods man has made up? Not disproven. Am I supposed to believe in all of them just because no one can prove they don't exist? Certainly not. Basically you don't really have to believe in anything in the religious sense (that is without evidence). If you can prove it, why believe it? If you can't prove it, why believe it?

"Maybe you can answer me something.  Your dA page, you identify yourself as an Ex-Christian, I mean literally that's the first thing you read in your about me section.  Why do you want to be identified as something you used to be but aren't any more? "
--> I identify myself as an ex-Christian because I am an ex-Christian. I'm also a woman, I love books and music, etc. Just because I am one thing doesn't mean I'm not a lot of other things as well. But since religion has been and still is a big part of my life and I'm very much interested in it I also identify myself as an ex-Christian.

"If you haven't noticed, there has hardly even been an occurrence in our conversation where I even brought up the fact that I'm a Chrsitian.  Maybe you should just try to focus on being yourself, because when people see that, all it's going to say to everyone whenever you bring up religion is that you're trying to validate your belief.  I'm not trying to be a jerk here either."
--> I have noticed that, but I can't remember saying anything to you about being a Christian or even mentioning the fact that you are one, you just brought that up. I don't see the point in telling me what I should and what I shouldn't write on my page. If it didn't say ex-Christian on my page would you suddenly be able to answer any of my questions? I don't think so. Try harder not being a jerk.

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Genesis-Orbit In reply to SleepingNinniku [2013-08-28 19:31:33 +0000 UTC]

God is like a boyfriend/girlfriend? ...what?? No idea what you mean to say with this analogy. Do you mean everyone has a different god just like everyone has different boy/girlfriends?


-  What I'm trying to say is trying to explain my relationship with God in a way to make someone like you understand might not be what you need to hear in order for you to understand God on the level I do, considering you aren't a Christian.  We Christians all worship the same God, but our relationship with him can vary based on our experiences.


More excuses for not answering my question.


-  Yeah you're right, but you could be a little more respectable in the future.


Since there is absolutely no scientific evidence of god whatsoever...science doesn't need to prove or disprove god. You can't disprove god anyway, the same way you can't disprove unicorns and vampires. It's on the people making the claim that god exists to prove his existence.


-  I guess I just see the universe more than something that just happens to be.  I'm not saying the big bang never happened, I think it did happen, same with evolution.  I'm just saying that maybe there was a force in the universe (call it what you want) that set things in motion.  I might not be right, but at the moment I don't see a greater argument to completely disprove it.


Finally you're hitting on something. Yes faith is a human construct and yes every human being believes in something. Unfortunately you overdid it by saying why not believe in everything that hasn't been proven. That's not very intelligent or logical because then you have to believe in absolutely everything ever. As I said, vampires? Not disproven. Unicorns? Not disproven. All the other thousands of gods man has made up? Not disproven. Am I supposed to believe in all of them just because no one can prove they don't exist? Certainly not. Basically you don't really have to believe in anything in the religious sense (that is without evidence). If you can prove it, why believe it? If you can't prove it, why believe it? 


-  I actually didn't say why not believe in everything that hasn't been proven.  Sorry if it came out that way, but I think you should believe what has been tested through science.  If that evidence hasn't disproven God, then I don't find the logic in just saying flat out that there truly is no God.  I'm not saying either that since God hasn't been disproven that you need to believe that there is one, it's really up to you.  I'm not here to make those decisions for you, or for anyone for that matter.


 I identify myself as an ex-Christian because I am an ex-Christian. I'm also a woman, I love books and music, etc. Just because I am one thing doesn't mean I'm not a lot of other things as well. But since religion has been and still is a big part of my life and I'm very much interested in it I also identify myself as an ex-Christian.


-  I know you're an ex-Christian, but like I said, you could easily just say that you're Agnostic, or Atheist (not sure what you believe), but ex-Christian is just pretty specific, and the only reason I can think of that you would make that claim is if you care to argue with Christians more than other religions, and seeing how you came here to this Christian themed art piece, it really just makes me question your motives.


I have noticed that, but I can't remember saying anything to you about being a Christian or even mentioning the fact that you are one, you just brought that up. I don't see the point in telling me what I should and what I shouldn't write on my page. If it didn't say ex-Christian on my page would you suddenly be able to answer any of my questions? I don't think so. Try harder not being a jerk.


-  Ok fair enough, there's not much of a point to that argument anyways.  All I'm saying is from an education perspective, if you actually are interested in learning something and having your questions answered, you might find that asking your questions in an appropriate manner might get your questions answered.  It's the same thing as like, for instance, someone that critiques your artwork.  If they're saying your art sucks and you should get a life because you can't draw worth crap, are you going to think "Well this person is definitely onto something here, I'll have to work on my proportions and shading more so I can improve" or are you going to think "This person is just a troll that's just trying to get under my skin so they can start a fight and have some entertainment for a while because they're sick in the head"?  Ok those are pretty extreme examples, but if you are actually serious with your questions, try to consider a reason of why someone might believe in this, and if it still doesn't make sense to you, you can still simply just say "Really this just doesn't make sense to me, please help me understand this."  At no point in any of the posts I saw you make when I first replied to you did you ever seem that you were really looking to educate yourself on Christianity.  It's ok to disagree with us, but you can still be respectable about it.

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SleepingNinniku In reply to Genesis-Orbit [2013-09-01 12:35:12 +0000 UTC]

„What I'm trying to say is trying to explain my relationship with God in a way to make someone like you understand might not be what you need to hear in order for you to understand God on the level I do, considering you aren't a Christian.  We Christians all worship the same God, but our relationship with him can vary based on our experiences.“

→ Sorry, but I still don't see how that's an excuse for not answering a single question...


„I guess I just see the universe more than something that just happens to be.  I'm not saying the big bang never happened, I think it did happen, same with evolution.  I'm just saying that maybe there was a force in the universe (call it what you want) that set things in motion.  I might not be right, but at the moment I don't see a greater argument to completely disprove it.“

→ Again, you can't disprove such a theory anyway. Scientists don't try to disprove theories, they try to prove theories and if a theory can't be proven right because it just doesn't work, then it's dismissed. Of course you can still believe that the universe had some sort of supernatural cause, that's perfectly fine by me. The problem I have with this is, where is the connection between that and the very specific belief system, the very specific god and the very specific rules of the Bible? I don't see how you can jump from one to the other like that. It's also weird of you to say that you accept evolution but still believe in the creation story of the Bible. How does that work? And even if god was behind evolution, that still wouldn't make sense, because eventhough evolution produces a great variety of incredible creatures perfectly adapted to their environment, it works through mutations that aren't always useful and many times lead nowhere, so that individuals of a species who have such mutations don't survive. If god was behind that, it would feel to me like he's just having fun, randomly tempering with genes to see what will happen. Evolution makes sense on it's own, but not with god.


„I actually didn't say why not believe in everything that hasn't been proven.  Sorry if it came out that way, but I think you should believe what has been tested through science.  If that evidence hasn't disproven God, then I don't find the logic in just saying flat out that there truly is no God.  I'm not saying either that since God hasn't been disproven that you need to believe that there is one, it's really up to you.  I'm not here to make those decisions for you, or for anyone for that matter.“

→ But by saying „If that evidence hasn't disproven God, then I don't find the logic in just saying flat out that there truly is no God.“ it would follow that „If that evidence hasn't disproven unicorns, then I don't find the logic in just saying flat out that there truly are no unicorns.“ So you really are saying, people can believe in everything that they can't prove to not exist. Also you said „ I think you should believe what has been tested through science“ but still believe in something without any scientific evidence whatsoever. I wouldn't even mind people believing that if they wouldn't go around telling people who don't believe the same things that they're going to end up in hell.


„I know you're an ex-Christian, but like I said, you could easily just say that you're Agnostic, or Atheist (not sure what you believe), but ex-Christian is just pretty specific, and the only reason I can think of that you would make that claim is if you care to argue with Christians more than other religions, and seeing how you came here to this Christian themed art piece, it really just makes me question your motives.“

-->1.I identify myself as an ex-Christian because I AM an ex-Christian.
2.Of course I care to argue more about Christianity than other    religions because I am an ex-Christian so I know the Bible and the belief system more than the holy texts of other religions, but just to make you feel better, I've read the Qu'ran and it's just as ridiculous as the Bible. I don't think I have to tell you that the same goes for all other religions, because they all come down to either ancient historically incorrect myths and creation stories by people who didn't   know how the world came to be or modern day frauds like Mormonism and Scientology.
3.If I had „atheist“ instead of „ex-Christian“ in my bio, you would still not answer my questions, so again, I don't see why you're going on about this.


„Ok fair enough, there's not much of a point to that argument anyways.  All I'm saying is from an education perspective, if you actually are interested in learning something and having your questions answered, you might find that asking your questions in an appropriate manner might get your questions answered.  It's the same thing as like, for instance, someone that critiques your artwork.  If they're saying your art sucks and you should get a life because you can't draw worth crap, are you going to think "Well this person is definitely onto something here, I'll have to work on my proportions and shading more so I can improve" or are you going to think "This person is just a troll that's just trying to get under my skin so they can start a fight and have some entertainment for a while because they're sick in the head"?  Ok those are pretty extreme examples, but if you are actually serious with your questions, try to consider a reason of why someone might believe in this, and if it still doesn't make sense to you, you can still simply just say "Really this just doesn't make sense to me, please help me understand this."  At no point in any of the posts I saw you make when I first replied to you did you ever seem that you were really looking to educate yourself on Christianity.  It's ok to disagree with us, but you can still be respectable about it.“

→ So do I have to be „respectable“ of everything I disagree with? National Socialism, Fascism, murder, homophobia, genital mutilation, mysoginy, etc. because there might be reasons why people believe in and do these things? I don't think so. And comparing criticism of religion to criticism of artwork is also a bit weird. I don't think my artwork is responsible for genital mutilation, the Crusades, witch hunts, deadly exorcisms, faith healings that lead to the death of innocent children, homosexuals and women being denied basic human rights, etc. If my or any artwork would be responsible for any of that you may well criticize it in the most disrespectful manner you can think of, because it simply doesn't deserve respect. The same goes for every ideology and religion if it's responsible for such ignorance and harm. You may think I have to respect your beliefs, but you're wrong. I respect what deserves to be respected. I respect you, because you're a fellow creature sharing this planet, but I don't respect your or anyones implausible beliefs, sorry.
And I don't need to learn about Christianity as I am an ex-Christian. And I wasn't one of those who don't read their Bible or just cherry pick the good stuff but ignore all the nasty/contradicting bits. All I want is to understand why people believe such contradictory stuff that they don't even need to lead a good and meaningful live. And I ask questions like „Why do you think god needs blood sacrifice to forgive sins“ or „Would you kill a child if god told you to“ to find out if you actually comprehend what you say you believe because many theists just close their eyes to the glaring faults and contradictions in their holy books and go through live carrying around a huge bag of cognitive dissonance constantly trying to find excuses for those contradicting beliefs and resulting actions. I mean, you profess to believe in the biblical god but at the same time you're reasonable and modern enough to accept that the Big Bang and evolution are facts due to the vast amount of evidence for them that you can't just dismiss. And you're not the first Christian who said that to me. How does that work? If evolution is true, the whole Adam and Eve story and hence the whole Jesus-died-for-our-sins-story is void. It can't both be true. That's what I just don't understand, how people can hold such contradicting believes, just because they don't want to give up one of them. If you feel you can educate me on something, don't try and educate me on Christianity, but on why and how you can believe in so many contradicting things that just don't make sense.

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PhantomVulpix In reply to ??? [2013-08-09 06:41:29 +0000 UTC]

God: "I love you so much that I died just to make a way for you to be washed clean of sin. I'm holding it out to you right now. it's free, all you have to do is take it!"

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SleepingNinniku In reply to PhantomVulpix [2013-08-11 16:24:43 +0000 UTC]

Did he tell you that himself?

So basically god committed suicide (sin) to save us from something he created himself? Isn't he omnipotent? Why can't he create sin-free humans who have free will? Too hard for him? He creates us sinful and then wants us to feel ashamed about that? How nice...

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Genesis-Orbit In reply to SleepingNinniku [2013-08-11 20:12:09 +0000 UTC]

He didn't commit suicide, he was crucified.  Sorry if I'm jumping to conclusions here, but it sounds like you've made your decision on what you think about God.  You ask questions to us then answer them yourself in a condescending fashion.  I'll tell you this, I'm friends with plenty of non believers and I treat them with the same respect as my fellow Christians.  Just because you don't agree with someone doesn't mean you have to be insulting.  You can learn a lot from people from all facets of life regardless of what you believe in your heart.

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tipexleloup In reply to PhantomVulpix [2013-08-09 09:59:57 +0000 UTC]

"Hmm... god, if you're so powerful, why did you need to die to clean me of sin? Couldn't you just... you know, do it? I'm only asking coz you're supposed to be all-powerful and stuff, so... the hell was that?


Also, if there really is a heaven, can I go? Coz, you know, you made this wonderful thing (gay sex) that I love, but apparently I'm doomed if I do it... Again, the hell? That's crap! Why do all the good things (gay sex, candy, chocolate) that you made are bad for you? That's not loving, that's torture! So, again. I'd really like to love you and all, but give me a proof you love me : make chocolate just as good but not fattening, and gay sex just as good but not a sin!"

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shafigginbob In reply to tipexleloup [2013-08-09 15:54:31 +0000 UTC]

I'm not a very religious person, but I think that, one, you put too much value on the physical aspect of being with someone and not enough value on the relationship itself. And two, that it's not a matter of "Is the omnipotent entity known as God, which by the very definition is the supreme ruler of everything, capable of washing us all clean of our sins and letting us all be happy for ever and ever?" So much as it is a journey of sorts. You were put on this planet to experience life, that is everything and all it entails. Positives and negatives, because that is the experience. If you were given nothing but candy every single day you would get bored of it and not appreciate it anymore, but if someone throws you something you don't really enjoy or even hate first, that chocolate becomes all the more sweet. It is selfish and ignorant to ask for the good without the bad, because in reality there is no good or bad, just perspectives.

Now as far as the homophobic agenda that seems to be associated with Christianity and whatnot, I can assure you, most Christians don't give two shits who you bang. And personally, I don't think you will go to hell for it. Hell, I don't even really believe in heaven or hell. But, I do believe in the concept of God. And, I believe that it wants us to experience and learn. So, if you decide to take that path in life, cool. If you don't, cool. To each his own.

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The-Argonian In reply to PhantomVulpix [2013-08-09 06:54:36 +0000 UTC]

Wow.

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Fifekun In reply to ??? [2013-08-09 00:14:00 +0000 UTC]

NICE!!! :3 That is a GREAT point!!

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Emberblue In reply to Fifekun [2013-08-09 21:24:01 +0000 UTC]

Thanks!!!  

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Aw0 In reply to ??? [2013-08-08 23:54:57 +0000 UTC]

You're awesome for making this because the God in you is awesome

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Emberblue In reply to Aw0 [2013-08-09 21:24:54 +0000 UTC]

Yes, God is awesome.  God gets all the credit for the talent He has given me.

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Aw0 In reply to Emberblue [2013-08-09 21:34:30 +0000 UTC]

Yes, he does He deserves even more than that too That's why I do my best to be an example of a man truly living for God

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Emberblue In reply to Aw0 [2013-08-09 22:31:52 +0000 UTC]

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