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A great quote by a great man. The Bible has all the answers we need for life and a relationship with God.Related content
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seriously, God bless you c: You dealt with this person well <3
and a brohoof as well /)
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I'm not religious, nor do I ever plan to be, but this really is a great quote, and I love what you've done with it here. Good work.
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Thanks! I really appreciate the encouragement and that you took time to comment. 
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Love this quote. So true.
Like the pic too - with the peeling letters. Nice job.
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Thanks! That part was challenging. Many blessings in Jesus!
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It really does have all the answers. From how to take out a giant with only a slingshot to how many sheep a good wife costs, and vice versa. I can't speak for most people, but I personally wouldn't have known otherwise.
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Thanks for the sarcasm. 
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If you want to talk about practicality, I know two and a half commandments that still apply today, and the rest is all bunk. Coveting is good for the economy and who knows what the correct sabbath day is, anyway? I can think of at least three religions that can't agree on this, that's almost half the week! And don't get me started on the ox.
Besides, God is funny, isn't he? Hence, the ox. I can't be the only one thinking the plague of frogs was just God having a row at Moses and the Pharaoh. I mean, locusts I can understand, but when I have frogs, I don't call in sick. Frogs are just cool.
And who says the sheep to wife exchange rate isn't practical? How many sheep are you worth? Or am I worth, for the sake of modern values and inflated exchange rates? I think it's very informative.
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I don't mean to be rude, but your statements show your ignorance on the topic.
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Please, no apologies necessary. It's all good ^_^
Soo... You have a grievance with my statements? If you mean to imply that there isn't anything funny about a plague of frogs, I can assure you, there most certainly is.
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If I remember correctly, Egyptians were kinda obsessed with being clean and sanitary. They also kinda worshipped frogs as gods. So what a torture it would have been for them to have their homes, kitchens, beds, etc. filled with frogs that made everything dirty yet they could not kill them. There is definitely is some humor in that.
The Bible is loaded with good practical wisdom. The Old Testament especially. God taught people to be generous, to share, to take care of others, to think about others first and themselves last, God taught people to be compassionate, forgiving, merciful, patient, loving, trusting, and to deal harshly with evil things so that evil would not spread. God also set up social & economic structure that was appropriate for their time and culture. They were way more civil and morally good than the cultures around them. The Old Testament tells us how to deal with difficulties, resolve conflict, how to handle an angry person without starting a fight, how to raise good kids that can make good decisions, to take care of your parents when they are old, how to prepare for the future. I could go on and on and on. A lot of these things were reiterated in the New Testament as well, and additional things too. The Bible is a very practical book with tons of things that still apply today.
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Ben Affleck is Batman. Where is your God now? BWAHAHAHAHAAA!
[Sorry, couldn't resist]
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How many sheep for an okay wife? Does the book account for inflation?
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Haha. I have a picture of a falling apart bible with the same quote on it.
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Thanks! Many blessings in Jesus!
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Duct tape, cellotape and still broken...
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Really? Wow, that Bible has had some serious use! Thanks for stopping by and commenting.
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Yeah, I've got two of them like that now and a new one being worked in 
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You can read the Bible inside and out until every page falls out, but if you do not know Jesus Christ and have a personal relationship with him, it doesn't do any good and you are not saved.
I share this because I thought I was right with Jesus, but I was far from it, and was heading to hell anyway.
Are you really saved? Go to the real Jesus.
I share this out of Love, not condemning anyone. God Bless
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I completely agree with you. Simply reading the Bible is not enough.
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God: "Love me or go to hell." How nice...
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Going to either heaven or hell should not be the foundation of one's faith. And I don't think that is what ~370wii was saying either. He was simply saying that he did not feel right with God, even though he read the Bible cover to cover. He was saying that he felt that HE was headed to hell. No one else, just him. The relationship we do or do not make with God is up to us, 100%.
There are many different types of people, and so there are many different types of Christians. Everyone bases their reasons for their faith on something, but it will never be the same for two people. So when you ask for proof (like in many of your comments below) or ask why people believe what they believe, they may answer you, but those answers will most likely be meaningless to you. We have to find our own path. Yes, we have people around us who help shape that path, but we are the ultimate decision maker in the end. I can tell you why I have decided to follow Jesus, for myself. I did not do so because the Bible told me to, or my parents, or because I went to Christian schools. I did so because when I am a follower of Jesus' words and teachings and when I feel filled with God's love, I am a happier being. I care for all his creations, all his people. Even when they wrong me or make me mad, sad, etc. I still love them. And I wrong people too, it happens. We are humans, we are beings who do things that are both terrible and wonderful all in the same day. But to me that is beautiful. We have the choice of what we want to be. And God does not step in and tell us no. He is simply waiting to hear from us. Hear how our day was, hear why we are doing what we are doing. He learned from humans as you follow our saga in the old testament. He is still learning from us too, because we can do things for ourselves. If he made us perfect, and without sin, would we be alive? Would we be ...us? I don't know about you, but even with my sins, I still like who I am and want to be me. Because I know nothing else. I have been given this life and I am going to enjoy that. And when I am filled with love and try to understand God's motivations, I am happy, and healthy, and I feel compelled to spread that to others.
We are humans, we will always have questions without answers, but that doesn't mean we stop asking or take everything at face value. Nothing in life is proven fact. Science is all based on theories, yes some are more well documented than others, but they are still theories we as humans, imperfect beings, have formulated. Not all Christians are closed minded like you may think. We try to learn and ask questions like "everyone else." We are all human, all inquisitive beings. But for some reason we love to label ourselves. I'm christian, I'm atheist, I'm agnostic, I'm gay, I'm black, I'm American, etc etc. We don't need to. I am what I am is how God described himself. That is how we should describe ourselves. I am Emily. That is all. Take me or leave me. Love me for who I am and who I present myself to be, not who I am LABELED as 
I am a woman of science, I have questioned my faith several times. I still do. We all should be questioning our faith daily. Without thinking about it, it will become routine and meaningless. The same goes for those who renounce God in the name of "science." Science is not about that at all, it is the quest for knowledge. In science you never negate something completely. You keep on experimenting, exploring every option. That is the foundation of what it is. So there is no reason that someone cannot pursue faith and science together. They are more similar than most people think.
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So you believe in god because it makes you happy. I can relate to that. That's why I take drugs, it makes me happy, so that's
fine then, isn't it? (I don't, but I hope you get my point...) So everyone who believes in something because that
something makes them happy, believes automatically in the truth? There are a million different truths and gods and aliens and stuff out
there? That can't be the way to find truth, simply by saying it makes me happy, so it must be true. If that was the case I would
fly through the sky like an eagle, but I don't because simply believing that doesn't make it true. I could believe as much
as I like in my ability to fly, if I tried to jump of a cliff and fly away, I would end up a dead pile of meat.
Why is HE waiting to hear from US? How egoistic is that for a being that claims to be perfect and loving and doesn't
want us to go to hell? If he doesn't want us in hell and all it takes for that is to show himself to everyone in a way
that wouldn't leave the shred of a doubt about his existence and his motives...why would he ever not do that?
Doesn't he have every possibility in the universe to do that for every human being ever?
God LEARNS from us? Why would I put my fate in the hands of a superior very powerful being that needs to LEARN stuff from his
creation? That's scary!
"If he made us perfect, and without sin, would we be alive? Would we be ...us?" --> What? What suddenly happened to god's omnipotence?
Suddenly he can't do certain stuff, because he can't create a being that's me but without sin? Why would I regard him
as a god then? Then he would simply be some sort of higher being. If that's what a god is, then we should probably start worshipping
EVERTGING that's more powerful than us.
I don't care about labeling you or anyone. I know many Christians that are fantastic people, but that's not the issue here. The issue
is what those fantastic people believe. Luckily you seem to be one of the few who are still tolerant and open towards other
people, but I know a lot of Christians who aren't. When the stuff you believe in just because it makes you happy has
negative impact on other people's lives, that's when such a belief isn't ok anymore. Unfortunately you can't seperate a Christian or any
other theist from their beliefs, because that's what their whole worldview is based on. If there's no evidence for it to be true but you think
it's true because you feel good with it and it tells you that for example homosexuality is a sin and homosexuals
don't deserve the same human rights as everyone else, then I don't give a shit whether it makes you happy or not,
it's just wrong and it needs to be opposed.
If you believe in a book that says homesexuality is a sin and homosexuals need to be put to death, but don't practice that,
then I wonder why you need to believe in that book at all, since you can think for yourself.
"Science is not about that at all, it is the quest for knowledge. In science you never negate something completely.
You keep on experimenting, exploring every option." --> I never claimed anything else. Science doesn't follow paths that lead
nowhere, it starts with observations that are evidence for something (laws of nature, etc.), which then are described
by theories. Science doesn't concern itself with god, since there are no observations made that would lead to such
a claim, so there's no need in science to renounce that claim. Just as there is no need to renounce the existences of unicorns
since none has ever been observed.
"So there is no reason that someone cannot pursue faith and science together. They are more similar than most people think."
--> Could you please explain how they are similar? You said yourself that your beliefs are based on emotions (and Christian
influence as a child, which is most certainly the reason why you're not a Buddhist or a Muslim...you were lucky to be born
into the "right" faith). I don't think that's the case in science. Even if scientists initially disregard a theory because
they can't accept it at first (which is an emotional response), if there is enough evidence for that theory and it's testable,
there's no way in hell that any serious, honest scientist would keep disregarding that theory, so emotions aren't what
science is about. It's about finding the truth, even if it doesn't make you happy. If a scientists worked his whole life on
a theory and in the end it proves to be wrong, he can be upset about that all he wants, it wouldn't make it any less true. It's
not the level of happiness something gives you that makes it true or right.
I just want to say again, that I can relate to you. I was a Christian, so I know what it feels like. That happy feeling is
great but when I kept getting no answers to fundamental and very important questions even though I believed in god and loved
Jesus and all my fellow Christians, I just couldn't justify my faith anymore and I started noticing everything that's
wrong with it, for example how I could have ever been as happy as I was believing that there are millions and millions
of people in hell simply for not believing and why god would do that. If I, who's not all-loving wasn't ok with that, how could an omnipotent god be? It just didn't make sense and I couldn't just ignore that it didn't make sense just because I didn't want to lose that happiness. But the real world and emotions that are based on real things are much more satisfying.
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He Loves you and wants to save you.
If you do not accept his free Gift of Salvation, you go to hell on your own will. It's either: Let God take you to Heaven or do whatever you want and Satan will take you in the end.
God's Love is unfathomable. Go to him and he will save you
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So he gives us free will so we can decide on our own, but if he's not happy with our decisions, we'll go to hell? What a douche...
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He gives us free will to serve him or our own sins that came from Satan.
If we do not choose God, we choose Satan who will take the souls of the lost.
God wants to save you, but if you call him names and blame him for what's your fault and not his, then he has every right to cast you away. He has every right to cast me away, but his Grace and Mercy is too great and unfathomable. He is willing to forgive every sin and recreate anyone who is willing. In the end: all will see him and all will bow before him and confess him as Lord: both saved and unsaved. Repent now before it's too late.
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Again: He gives us free will, but if we don't behave how he wants us to behave, we have to spend eternity in hell...yeah, still a douche...
Saying if I don't choose god I automatically choose the devil is like saying if I don't choose catchup with my fries I automatically choose mayo. It's just childish black and white thinking, it's not how live works.
If god wanted to save us from the construct of sin (that he created, not us), then why not just forgive us like any reasonable and compassionate human being would, instead of killing himself? That is so unbelievably redundant and illogical.
Lastly, what do you mean, it's my fault? It's my fault god created everything the way it is? I don't think so.
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Why would that make him bad? He wants us to live a good and sinless life that he can make possible. If you were told you had a disease and had to live your life completely differently by doing things that you normally don't do so you don't die: eating, drinking, etc... Then why wouldn't you want to?
God sees that sin leads us to hell and he wants to save us from that place. If we choose not to accept the antidote, we will die (Perish) - You can't blame the doctor but yourself for not taking the medication.
Calling the Doctor names and blaming the doctor because you won't take your medicine is foolishness and pointing the finger instead of looking at the real problem.
You're analogy makes no sense.
We are all in sin and slaves of sin. God wants to set us free from the disease: Sin.
A better analogy: A person with a disease has a choice: they can choose the antibiotics to help them remove it or they automatically choose to stay sick and can die from it.
God will forgive any sin, even blasphemy.
He will not do anything in a person's life who isn't willing. His ways are higher than our ways. As far as the surface of the earth is from the outer most layer of the earth's atmosphere.
His ways are perfect, and we being imperfect; we see his perfection as imperfect because our minds are too carnal and imperfect to see perfection as perfect.
The sacrifice is because he took our place.
Imagine someone taking your place in death row.
He did this to a greater extent. He saved us from hellfire. But it only works on those who recognize this truth and go to him and Repent.
I'll say it again: When the patient rejects the medication from his or her doctor, is it really the doctor's fault that patient dies, or is it the patient's fault for rejecting the medication?
It's the same thing with sin.
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I can blame the doctor if he created my condition (disease/sinful nature) in the first place, which is exactly what god did, create us imperfect and then expect us to be perfect. Why create us "sinful"? Wasn't he able to create us without sin so he wouldn't have to create hell as well?
By the way, what exactly is the definition of "sin"?
"His ways are perfect, and we being imperfect; we see his perfection as imperfect because our minds are too carnal and imperfect to see perfection as perfect." <-- That sentence doesn't even make sense...You can't tell he's perfect because your imperfect mind can't conceive his perfection, yet you just told me he's perfect...What? How do you know?
And I'll also say it again: If the doctor is the cause of the disease in the first place because he created it, the doctor and no one else is to blame.
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The fact of the matter is: he did not create your condition. The condition came as result of disobedience to living a perfect life.
He created us perfect, but we became imperfect by disobeying him.
He can and will make us perfect if we go to him.
He created us without sin, but because mankind sinned against God, having a choice when they were perfect; we are now in sin. He wants us to go back to him so we can be free once again. He said that he knew us before we were conceived.
An immoral act; A transgression against a Divine Law = Sin.
If you ever lied, hated someone, cursed, wanted what doesn't belong to you, lusted after someone in your heart and thoughts, these are but a few sins of the many out there. Disobedience to God's perfect law is a sin. Not just eating the wrong kind of fruits.
Because God has renewed my mind and now I see the truth. These things are spiritually discerned, and the spiritual things are foolishness to those who are in the flesh because they can't discern the things of the spirit.
In other words: You must be transformed by the renewing of your mind, soul and heart, and only God can do this. Then you will fully understand these things. If not, then they'll always be foolishness before you and you will never understand them.
God didn't create the disease. He created us with a choice because it is better to be loved by someone who chooses to, rather than forcing them to.
So, the archangel Lucifer also had a choice and chose to rebel against God. God did not cause him to make that choice, Lucifer made that choice on his own, just like we (mankind) has chosen to sin against God and listen to (former archangel Lucifer, now known as Satan) instead of listening to God. Hell was only meant for Lucifer and his Angels, not for man. But now people go to hell because they accept the sins from Satan.
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If he created us and everything about us, he also created our condition. If man was always able and willing to sin, or I should rather say unable not to sin, then he was never perfect in the first place, if that's what god wanted, a perfect being. Also, behaviour isn't something that gets to you from the outside (like a disease), it's caused by how and what you think, so by your character and personality, something that's already in you, hence something god must have created.
If eating a stupid fruit from a magic tree really is a sin god can't possibly forgive but has to curse with eternal punishment unless he gets a blood sacrifice of some kind which we have to accept or we're doomed, he's neither loving nor omnipotent.
Even if sins are transgressions against some divine law, how does that justify to eternal punishment? Infinite punishment for a finite crime? Why? There's absolutely no learning effect that can be achieved with that, so it's just cruel and sadistic torture.
If someone robbed me, I wouldn't dream of punishing them for ever and ever for a mistake they made. That's even more immoral than the crime itself. Just terrible...
That whole sin/transgressing divine law thing also just leads to contradictions no Christians has yet been able to justify (because there simply is no justification for behaviour like that):
For example, murder is against god's law. God murdered millions of people and also ordered his chosen people to murder millions of people. God committed murder=god is a murderer=god is a sinner. And please don't start with "God can do whatever he wants because he's god and he makes the rules." All that makes him is a schizophrenic tyrant and nothing more.
Again, was he unwilling or unable to create human beings who can't sin, who love him and who still have free will? If he's omnipotent, he could have made that paradox work.
By the way, it makes god seem rather petty if he created human beings for the sole purpose of loving him. And if I really love someone I don't want them to change or be perfect, I want them to be themselves, because that's why I love them, but god seemingly doesn't.
Good that he doesn't exist.
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He created us, yes.
But he did not create us to do evil.
He created Darkness and Light. He has dominion over the both.
It is evil when one tries to go against God's perfect laws.
Eating a "Stupid Fruit" is not the sin... It's "Disobedience" - That is the sin that was committed.
See, you will never understand these thing unless you spiritually discern them.
Here's Wisdom so you may possibly understand this without seeing it as foolishness:
When we sin, we're doing something that is too horrible for words, but we the sinners see it as natural... Just like the murderer doesn't see his own acts as terrible because it is natural to him. But others see it as wrong.
The "Blood Sacrifice" was needed to remove sins. Because we "Perish in our Sins" Something must take the place for our sins. Jesus Christ, the Messiah took our place in Hell, so we can live again in the new promised Paradise that is to come very soon, after the Judgement of the world, and Jesus himself will come again, and everyone will see him... Even you will see him.
God is Love, if he was not Love; I wouldn't be speaking to you now, but would be in Hell burning forever.
God saved me to use me to bring others to him.
If he did not Love, he wouldn't care if you Perish in your sins, not believing he exists and not believing hell is real.
It is perfectly Justified. Now, don't just brush this off, hear me out:
God will not let anything unclean enter Heaven. Just like: he will not let anything that has been redeemed and cleansed enter hell.
What we do here is a reflection to Eternity.
If we spend time doing what ever we want and not Trust God to save us, then we go to hell (Eternally Separate from God) because we are sinners and deserve it because we have transgressed against our creator.
You either believe this or you don't, but it is the truth. You, and no one can convince me otherwise because I have seen Heaven and Hell, I have seen God. Only those who have been made new in him will be able to see the evidence.
God removed those people to stop the spread of sin. Ever since sin entered the world, he has cut off many many people to stop the spreading of sin. Now that Jesus (God who became flesh and took our place) came and rose again, we now have "Grace" - Undeserved Mercy from God. He wouldn't have given us this chance if he did not Love us. Abraham was obedient unto God and was about to sacrifice his son to God. Go was testing him and called out to his name to stop him from doing it. Because a sinner, a man who was created by God; was willing to give up his own son for God. God did it for us.
God is Just and everything he does is Just. We are sinners who deserve Hell, and yet; he commands everyone everywhere to repent because it's not in his will for anyone to perish.
If he cuts someone off, that is to prevent others from straying away from him.
Better to remove someone who causes division and harm to others, than letting all perish because he let that person live.
You can't say that it's unjustified especially if you agree that it was a just act to cut off Osama Bin ladin, and many other people who have killed millions.
He will make us new again. He promises to those who chose him, to those who endure to the end; that he will make them perfect and new bodies so they will never sin again.
He gives us the choice first.
He created human beings to have a family.
Satan was the cause of bringing us away from God. Satan chose, and we have a choice.
Again. God cannot let anything unclean enter heaven because if he did: it would be no different than the chaos down here on earth now. - Even if he let one unclean person up there, it wouldn't be good at all. It's like putting a single drop of poison in a drink. You can die from that single drop.
You can say he doesn't exist, but that is not the truth. The truth is: God is real. Heaven and Hell are real.
Two sides are fighting for your soul, and in the end: one side will have your soul.
Join the winning side; the Army that sheds no blood!
God is Real, and the Truth is the Truth no matter what anyone says.
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Again, if god created us and our character, he also created the ability to sin. And since you claim humans sin
all the time, they can't have been perfect, ever. The Bible even says he created good and evil, so...
Thanks for taking the time to write so much, but it didn't really answer any of the things I said and it's also
nothing that I haven't read in the Bible or heard from other Christians before. You just repeat the same old stuff without
actually thinking about it, at least that's what it sounds like, sorry.
For example I asked why god needed a blood sacrifice at all and you wrote: "The "Blood Sacrifice" was needed to remove sins. Because we "Perish in our Sins" Something must take the place for our sins. Jesus Christ, the Messiah took our place in Hell, so we can live again in the new promised Paradise that is to come very soon, after the Judgement of the world, and Jesus himself will come again, and everyone will see him... Even you will see him."
--> That doesn't answer at all why he can't just be loving and forgive without all that blood sacrifice and hell nonsense. You simply repeated that he needs it to forgive sins. WHY?
"It is perfectly Justified. Now, don't just brush this off, hear me out:
God will not let anything unclean enter Heaven. Just like: he will not let anything that has been redeemed and cleansed enter hell.
What we do here is a reflection to Eternity.
If we spend time doing what ever we want and not Trust God to save us, then we go to hell (Eternally Separate from God) because we are sinners and deserve it because we have transgressed against our creator."
--> Again, no explanation whatsoever as to why such behaviour is justified. Also the same problem as before: Why create
such ridiculous rules instead of just loving and forgiving us. Why create us at all if what we do upsets him so much.
That's just stupid and egoistic behaviour.
"Abraham was obedient unto God and was about to sacrifice his son to God. Go was testing him and called out to his name to stop him from doing it. Because a sinner, a man who was created by God; was willing to give up his own son for God. God did it for us."
--> Er...what? What does psychotic behaviour (on Abraham's as well as on god's part) have to do with the issue? It only shows
how random and mean god is. Only a twisted religious mind could actually see anything good in the attempted murder of a
child. That's just sick and detestable. I'm really glad I live in an age where people like Abraham go to prison/get
psychiatric help. I can't believe theists praise that kind of behaviour. You sound like one who would be ok with all those parents who have killed they're child(ren) because "god told them so". That makes me sick.
"God is Just and everything he does is Just." --> You make a lot of claims. I still want to know how you know all that? Did
god tell you all that? If yes, why doesn't he tell everyone, so there wouldn't be such a mess and violence in the world
caused by all kinds of religions? Again, not very loving at all...
"Better to remove someone who causes division and harm to others, than letting all perish because he let that person live."
--> That's how you justify murderous behaviour?? He created those humans! Why even create them? You're saying he creates
humans he knows he will have to kill? WHAT? Unbelievable...just...wow...that's just hateful and careless towards that person and that person's family and every human that person has harmed.
"You can't say that it's unjustified especially if you agree that it was a just act to cut off Osama Bin Laden, and many other people who have killed millions."
--> Er...first of all, I hope you know I didn't create Osama Bin Laden, right? If I had knowing what he will do, I would be to blame
for all the misery he caused, because I could have
prevented it. Secondly, if he has to kill him at all (instead of simply not letting him get born) why only kill him AFTER he caused all that misery and not in the womb? Just...I don't even have words for such
behaviour...unbelievable...
"He will make us new again. He promises to those who chose him, to those who endure to the end; that he will make them perfect and new bodies so they will never sin again."
--> Oh, suddenly he can do that without taking away free will? Why didn't he do that in the first place? It keeps getting more and more ridiculous...
"Again. God cannot let anything unclean enter heaven because if he did: it would be no different than the chaos down here on earth now. - Even if he let one unclean person up there, it wouldn't be good at all. It's like putting a single drop of poison in a drink. You can die from that single drop."
--> What do you mean by unclean people? Sinners who haven't repented and accepted Jesus? Believers are still sinners, only
they don't want to take responsibilty for their behaviour by asking god for forgiveness everytime they have supposedly sinned.
They're still sinning, though, so how would that be different from the situation on Earth? Even people who believe in god and
Jesus and all that blood sacrifice stuff fight over stuff and against each other. If that's how it's in heaven, I'd rather be
in hell, with all the sceptical people who can actually think for themselves and take responsibility instead of putting it on
a guy on a cross. And if heaven isn't going to be like that, because suddenly god can "make us new again", why didn't he do that
the first time around?
"You can say he doesn't exist, but that is not the truth. The truth is: God is real. Heaven and Hell are real.
Two sides are fighting for your soul, and in the end: one side will have your soul."
--> For the last time, how do you know all that? And if it's the truth it should be painstakingly obvious to everyone because there would be a ton of evidence supporting that claim...which there isn't. I wonder why...(That's a rhetorical question...)
I don't know...thank you for taking the time for at least trying, but I don't think we will get anywhere with this (I don't think you'll suddenly provide the evidence for the existence of god that the world has been waiting for) and I don't think I feel comfortable discussing something with someone who thinks killing people and children for whatever reason is a good thing. There is not a reason in the world that would make killing a harmless, helpless, healthy child a good thing. Ever.
So, yeah. Have a good day.
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God created us with the ability to choose. He created us in his image. That means: We will have the tendency to want to be like him. We can choose to serve him or try to do things our own way, and try to be our own god... and that's where sin comes in.
I only bring up what is true from the scriptures.
Either way: I believe in having a real relationship with a real Loving and Caring God.
God's Love for us is unfathomable, and I can see your point in asking: "Why the Blood, when he can just forgive us anyway?" That's because it isn't just if he were to do that.
It wouldn't be a just thing to bring a person to a place, where there are many people; who has a dangerous and contagious disease that can kill everyone there.
God will not allow unclean people to enter Heaven and because he Loves us so much, he made it possible now for us to go there. But in order to do it, we must ask Jesus to cleanse us from all sins, and he will!
For example: I used to curse, I used to hate people who hated me and Love people who Love me, I used to look at inappropriate content online, and so on...
Ever since I decided to ask God to help me and for Jesus to cleanse me from my sins, I no longer curse, I now Love those who hate me and am not afraid to tell those I Love the truth, and I no longer view inappropriate content.
Sins are real and terrible. That is why God wants everyone everywhere to realize the truth that without the sacrifice: no one can go to Heaven, but he did it to take our place, so we might never go to hell.
It is Justified because there was no ultimate sacrifice and was the only way to remove sins from spreading so rapidly as it has now. Jesus became that ultimate sacrifice, and even the worst of sinners can go to him and become new and perfect in him.
He created us for a purpose. He did it out of Love. Knowing that even though many reject him, he wants to show us his Love and to teach us to Love one another.
God was only testing Abraham to see if he would trust in him. He was never going to allow him to do it.
There are many people who claim to be doing things for God and, yet; they're saying it is God, when it's only their way of justifying their sinful actions.
If God allowed even the children of people to be killed, that means the children were also carrying sins.
Now, God will not do that, Jesus came and the sacrifice is enough for every human being.
He creates everyone with a purpose, and if the people choose evil instead of him, then they chose... He didn't choose that for them to be created for.
He can and will save those who are willing.
Unclean spiritually: Sinners. Yes.
Yes, believers are still sinners. But even in the body of believers all around the world: there are only few who actually follow God and are actually daily striving to stay away from sins.
There are many Lukewarm Christians who claim to follow Jesus and are still heading for Hell because they keep the truth from others and still live sinful lives.
Not everyone who calls Jesus "Lord" or even claims to be a Christian, will be saved.
God gave us the choice in the beginning, like he will give Gog and MaGog a choice in the future, as written in the Book of Revelation.
After this, then there will be no more chances of sin ever occurring again.
I know that because of what I have seen, heard, and felt. After trusting God, he shows those who trust him and believe him with their whole heart; the truth. That is why many people say they have seen Heaven and Hell, not just a few crazy heretics. But many who are being brought to the truth. They cannot be seen, heard or felt by our human bodies and minds. We can only experience these things in Spirit, and we must go to God believing and he will show us.
We say: "Show us, and we will trust you, God."
God says: "Trust me, and I will show you."
The real truth that actually surprised me, when I saw it for the first time; is that the spiritual realm is more real than our lives here on earth. It is much clearer and our senses are heightened tremendously.
Instead of looking for evidence. Look for God, and he will show you all the evidence you need.
We can end our conversation here if that's what you want.
I highly recommend you read: Proof of Heaven by Eben Alexander.
This man had no belief in a God at all. He now believes strongly, and this is a man of science! One who needs evidence or he will not believe it. He completely died and his brain functions ceased to work.
Try reading it some time. Shalom. God Bless.
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Shame. You didn't answer any of my questions (especially why god loves blood sacrifices so much) or really addressed any of the problems I mentioned (except for just rehashing what the Bible says, as if you can't think for yourself), but justified (again) the killing of innocent children and made a ton of claims without any evidence that their actually true. You're logic seems to be "The Bible is true because the Bible says the Bible is true." Exchange Bible with any other book and you hear how stupid that is.
Furthermore, you say that what you're saying is true but when other people claim to have done things in the name of god that are horrible you suddenly claim that that can't be true. How do you know that? Why could god not have asked people to kill their children? From reading the Bible I know he killed millions of people (old people, children, innocent animals etc. etc.), so why is that suddenly not possible? Everything you experience and believe is true, but when other people experience something with god that doesn't fit into your belief system, that's suddenly not true, even though you're claims have exactly the same amount of evidence as the claims of those people? You just don't make sense.
The most stupid thing you wrote was: "We can only experience these things in Spirit, and we must go to God believing and he will show us." --> So we have to first believe that a specific god exists to then be able to experience him? Yeah, that logic is so stupid, it's ridiculous.
You speak of choices and free will. How can a human being make any choice between god and the devil, if they don't even know they exist? You can't make any choices without there being something to choose between. If you don't see or experience god or the devil, how could you make a conscious choice between the two of them? You get to know someone and then decide to stick with him forever, not the other way around. If that was logical, I might as well say:"Oh, well of course you can't see and experience the beauty of unicorns, you first have to make yourself believe in them." It just doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
Even if you experienced SOMETHING, where is the connection between that and the very specific story and claims of the Bible?
And lastly, how do you make yourself believe in anything without there being any evidence for it? How do you expect me to believe in god when I don't have any evidence for his existence whatsoever? You say I should go looking for him. What if I find Allah or Krishna to be the one true god? Was I then just not looking hard enough or something stupid like that? You can't set out with a specific premise in mind and then go look for it, that's not how it works. You have evidence for something which you examine and that can then lead you to certain conclusions, not the other way around.
If you have enough evidence for you're claims, show them. If their just anecdotal like "I've seen hell, therefore the god of the Bible must exist, because I can't think of any other explanation even though there are tons, but I want to believe in god anyway so I just go with that explanation", well that's no evidence, but self-deception.
I find no evidence it's rational to BELIEVE anything. If you can prove it, why believe it? if you can't prove it, why believe it?
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God doesn't Love Blood Sacrifice. It was necessary for the atonement of sins.
The only part he Loves is that it sets us free from sin and eternal death. But people have to be willing to go to him.
It was needed to take our place from going to hell for all who believe and confess Jesus as Lord and all who follow him.
God allowed these things to stop sin from spreading. I already said this.
What I didn't mention was: God is the only one who has the right to change Laws and is the only one above the Laws. So, Jesus was God who came in the Flesh because he made changes, but he has every right because God made those Laws in the First place, but he did not come to abolish the Law, but to fulfill it so we might be saved by Grace through him and only Jesus.
Not everyone who claims they have done things for God is actually true, but I do believe God has lead them to kill the children in the old testament, it was done because of stopping the spread of sin, to stop others from perishing in Hell. Now that Jesus has come, died and Rose again; we now have hope.
You call them innocent, but they were wicked in God's eyes. There is no one that does good, not a single person! He says that our righteousness are as filthy rags. He sees us all the same: Lost and sinful, and we desperately need him to free us or we will go to hell because we rejected the only way to Heaven.
God is above the Law and he made changes, for example: We are no longer allowed to kill, we must Love our enemies and not hate them, and so on. God is the only one who can do that because he is God.
You just proved to me that the scripture is true: the things of the Spirit are foolishness to those who are perishing spiritually.
You ask for evidence and then you will believe, he has showed many evidence to none believers so other none believers can believe through them. He says: Blessed are those who have not seen and have believed.
The Logic you pick to choose is primitive compared to God's Logic. His ways are higher than our ways.
Instead of over analyzing things, try it out: that's what true scientists do. They go out of their way and out of their own belief systems and they try things out to actually experience what is true and what is not, to find out for themselves, actually believing that something will come out of it in the end: A truth.
You are making a choice right now to be angry with me and choose to reject God and not believe God by ignorance of primitive science that is nothing next to the science in heaven, and whatsoever you were brought up with. If you were so bent on changing my mind or even changing the mind of believers, why don't you step out of your self-comfort thrown and try doing it yourself and try to see if this is true or not?
I questioned everything, and did not blindly believe as many others do, and as I used to in the past as a foolish believer.
When I questioned things and tried to see what is true: I have seen what is True, and the Truth is God.
I was willing to step away from what I believed and actually questioned, but in the end: I found even more evidence of God's existence. And the sad fact is: Unless you are willing to try, you will always be blind and never come to the truth until you one day face God in Judgement, and then it will be too late to ask him to save you.
People in the Bible have seen god face to face, as they would see a friend. They even heard his voice. I have seen God and heard his voice, therefore; I know that these claims are true. - Another thing that backs it up is: many people are experiencing God and saying they saw and heard the same things I've seen and heard, so I know I'm not just some delusional bigot.
Very simple, you start by listening to other people's side of the story and what they say they have experienced. You analyze all of the different stories of these people who claim to have seen and heard things that sound ludicrous, and put two and two together. After this, the only thing left is to try it yourself. If you can't even do that, you'll always be lost at the conclusion of the real answer: "Is this real or not? I need to know, so I can tell others who are delusional on the side that isn't true."
There is only one truth in the entire world. In the end: everyone will be surprised to know the real truth and the few who believed the truth will say: "See I told you, didn't I? But you didn't listen." I am being open minded here and letting you know that this applies with every system of belief: Atheism, Christianity, Buddhism, Islam, Judaism, etc...
Everyone in these different belief systems believe that they are in the truth and try to convince others of it.
In the end: they cannot be all true, now can they? - No, it's impossible.
In the end: there is only one truth, and that is up to everyone to discover and step out of their own comfort zone to find out.
Last time I checked: Many die hard Muslims have seen Jesus face to face and have seen his deity, they know that who they saw is God.
A Buddhist who died and came back to find his own body about to be cremated, he saw the Lake of Fire with many Buddhist monks there, and came back to warn others, but they were all shocked because he was so heavily devoted to Buddhism all his life until his death.
It's not self deception when you end up in a place where the heat is real and you hear the screams of the damned. - and especially when it's more real than our lives here on earth.
Going to that place is like waking up from the dream called: Life here on earth.
I can't show you that place, only God can.
You must try and actually believe first, if not; he will not show you anything.
God only shows to those who are willing. Which is why he showed himself to the none believers because they, deep inside, wanted to know the real God.
I believed first, then I saw. My belief was strengthened and there is no one who can lie to me and say it isn't true.
The same can happen with you: You can find out the real truth. But, question is: Are you willing? Or are you just gonna go against science and throw out the possibility that this is true?
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You know, I can't even be bothered to read all your ramblings anymore until you can answer my question and "God doesn't Love Blood Sacrifice. It was necessary for the atonement of sins." isn't an answer to the question why the hell he makes such rules (blood sacrifices, creating us not the way he wants us and then demanding things from us we're clearly not capable of, etc.) in the first place (unless he likes them).
You can ramble on and on all you like, you're just repeating what the Bible and other people have told you.
Don't even bother writing back, if you can't answer one simple question.
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I am telling you what Jesus has taught me. I am teaching you the truth. I was willing to listen to your side of things, but if you can't do you part and at least try, I can't help you.
I don't go by the teachings of man.
I have answered all of your questions, just because they are not the answers you seek, does not mean they aren't answers. I told you the truth, and my hands are clean of your blood. Let your blood be on your own head.
May Jesus Bless you, I pray that you won't perish, but in the end: It's your choice. God Bless. Shalom.
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You haven't answered my question, but whatever. And now you say it's my choice. What's my choice? Faith in god? How exactly do you choose to believe something you can't believe? Never mind, don't start babbling again...
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Is your motivation here to actually try to learn something, or to just insult Christians? The best way I try to explain it is this: God loves everyone, but if we reject his love, ie, rejecting that he died for us so that we may have eternal life, we simply can't go to heaven because hell is the absence of God.
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It wasn't suicide? So he didn't know he would get crucified? So he's not omniscient, hence not omnipotent either, then.
Of course I made my decision (of not believing in god) based on what I know and think of him (through the Bible, his followers and personal experience). If that's not how you made you decision, then I would like to know how you did it.
Could you point me to where I answered any of my questions in a "condescending fashion"? All I did was ask questions.
Could you also quote where I insulted Christians, as you said I did?
He chose the unbelievably redundant plan of coming to earth to get himself killed (which is still suicidal if he planned it) to be able to forgive our "sins"? He couldn't just, you know...forgive our sins? Like every rational human being would? Yeah, that makes sense...
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He didn't plan it. God sent his son Jesus to Earth so that he would defeat death by dying for our sins. That's why Satan tries to tempt Jesus on several occasions to save himself because he knew if Jesus went through with the Crucifixion, Satan would ultimately be defeated. When Christians refer to God, there's 3 representations of what God is: God the Father, God the son, and God the holy spirit. If you've heard of the holy trinity, that's what it refers to. Jesus didn't send himself, despite the fact that he's a form of God, but it was God the father, the same God that freed the Israelite's from Egypt that sent him. After Jesus was crucified, the holy spirit came to earth. I know you'll probably write it off, but that's it in a nutshell. I won't bother trying to prove it to you since that isn't exactly my job.
And actually no, I wouldn't say the followers of Christ have any impact on me what so ever in believing that he died for my sins right now. We're not perfect at all, and truth be told plenty of Christians I see make me think of why it's no wonder why so many people have written us off. That being said, would it be fair for me to say, well my personal experience with Atheists have definitely given me a reason not to be one of them and remain Christian? I don't think that's exactly right, in fact I know plenty of Atheists that respect my beliefs and don't try to convince me I'm wrong every time I see them lol.
Oh and you did it at the end of your post right here: "He couldn't just, you know...forgive our sins? Like every rational human being would? Yeah, that makes sense..."
You also did it here: "God: "Love me or go to hell." How nice..."
And here: "Why can't he create sin-free humans who have free will? Too hard for him? He creates us sinful and then wants us to feel ashamed about that? How nice..."
If you're going to respond with your questions with "yeah that makes sense", and "how nice", it really just shows that your motivation behind your questions isn't to have one of us answer you because you're actually willing to hear what anyone has to say. If your decision has already been made, then I don't understand your motivation behind your posts here. Do you really want to hear what we have to say, or are you really just trying to find someone to argue with to make yourself feel better?
And last, you called Jesus a "douche" which might take on a different meaning in the context of saying "what a douche" where you come from, but I think in most places that would be considered an insult.
Please find a better way to spend your day than trying to rile up a bunch of Christians, it's really not worth it. Have a great day.
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Well, thanks for not answering any of my questions and instead complaining that I insulted Christians (for which you didn't provide any evidence) and that I gave myself answers to those questions (for which you didn't provide any evidence, either...you quoted the questions I asked...question marks usually indicate... a question).
Have a great day, too.
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