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So you took out student loans to pay for your BA in Philosophy. But you dropped out. Now you're in fucktons of debt with a degree you didn't even earn and couldn't use even if you got it. Who is at fault? Clearly not you!THE RICH PEOPLE. YEAH. IT'S SO THEIR FAULT FOR YOU NOT BEING ABLE TO PAY OFF A STUDENT LOAN YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE TAKEN OUT BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T HAVE EVER AFFORDED IT.
Seriously, looking at the pictures of the "I am the 99%" people was like looking at a gallery of the most entitled fuckwads on the planet. Don't take out loans you know you can't afford to pay back and don't blame people for your poor life decisions. DUH.
NOTE: I know some situations you can't predict. Family member gets cancer, bills stack up, shit happens. I'm talking about taking out loans to buy houses you KNOW you can't afford and using credit cards to buy shit you don't need to survive and KNOW you can't afford. Self made disasters if you will.
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So you're saying there's several sides of the story, yet you're shooting down the opinion of @Genkistamps. Nice.
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I mean on the 99% side.
I wasn't meaning any-
Ok you got me on that. Nice job.
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YESSS. Everyone in my old Buddhist school (Yeah....) Went to that. And all I wanted to say was "Bitch you're still in high school you can't say shit. These people have been working their whole lives and you barely graduated. Grow up" And to the twenty-some year olds. Instead of protesting...They could be looking for jobs...
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We need to create a counter-protest called "Vacate Wall Street."
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I support 'Occupy the Hood' than Occupy Wallstreet...
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It's about changing government policies, and the people who are protesting are the ones that situations which cannot be predicted happen too.
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You're partially correct. The recession and the Occupy movement began because the rich took loans that they knew they would never be able to pay back. When their loans fell apart jobs across the US disappeared because companies lost money. We have such a high unemployment rate because there aren't enough jobs for everybody that wants one, both college graduates and everyone else. People are pissed off because the rich pretty much took away their jobs. Their selfishness created a global recession. College graduates aren't exactly mad about their debt; they're made because there are no jobs available to pay it off. There's so much more to the Occupy Movement than just loans. I completely agree with the movement and I'm a high-school student. I feel like the rich have possibly fucked up my future and it's frustrating.
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I can understand why the Occupy Movement exists and their reason for protesting is a good one: unemployment is high and that sucks. How they are doing it and who they think is responsible, however, is dumb and misinformed. Yes, big corporations do some really sleezy things with politicians from time to time and that is a large problem. However, I get the impression that these people think capitalism itself is the problem and wealth must be redistributed from the rich, big business owning people to everyone else. Except when you do that and big businesses get taken out of the picture, small businesses get taken out as well. I don't think these people quite realize that small businesses wouldn't be here if it weren't for big corporations. Many small businesses, like my family's one, make things for big businesses, like Ford and GM. Ford doesn't make every little part that goes in a car, they get them from other businesses. Large corporations also distribute their products to smaller stores. Without big business, life as we know it wouldn't exist. It's also not a good idea to tax big business either, because, being rich, they can just move. They move their businesses overseas to avoid high taxation that would potentially stagnate the business. Any business owner, big or small, knows that higher taxes = less productivity = less or no expansion, and possibly going out of business. And since the big businesses moved, smaller businesses can't get the work they usually get from them, and then they shrink and fire people. Plus when the government runs out of rich people to tax, since they moved and all, who do you think they're going to go for next? Those billion dollar spending bills aren't going to pay themselves.
Another reason there has been major unemployment is because of the government and it's idiotic economic policies. Since everything that has come out of the government has seeming been made to screw with small businesses royally, small businesses aren't expanding since they have no idea what the government is going to do. They don't want to risk going out of business and the best way to do that is to save their earnings and not expand, which would mean not hiring people. And since the financial crisis hit, many businesses fired people to save the business or went out of business all together. Oh, and most private sector jobs, something like 50%, are from small businesses. There's your unemployment people. What's even worse is that the Occupy people are being so uncivil and wild that they are actually hurting small businesses in the areas they protest in. No one is going to those businesses because the crazy people wanted to camp there. Way to demand jobs, Occupiers. And no, these business owners are not greedy people, they are just trying to make a living, just like you.
Do I agree that unemployment sucks: yes. Do I agree that some big businesses get in bed with the government and make unholy alliances and that something should be done: yes. Do I agree that this must be accomplished by redistributing the wealth: no. I have a lot more to say on this, but this comment is getting to long, so I'll just end it here. Also, try electing small business owners into Congress. They really know how the economy works.
And for the record, when I say small business, I also mean middle businesses as well. And yes, small businesses can also be privately owned corporations.
By the way, this rant isn't directed toward you, but rather a lot of "down with capitalism!" mindsets I see everywhere.
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Actually the goal of occupy Wall Street is to close the Federal Reserve, get your facts straight dude.
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I have been told about 20 different goals for the Occupy movement.
You'd think a movement would be more... you know... organized. I hear people equate it to the Civil Rights Movement. If you asked five people in that movement what the goal is, they'd give you pretty much the same response. If you ask five Occupiers what the goal of Occupy is, they'll give you five different answers, usually reflecting their own selfish needs.
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Well, I agree with you that the movement is not organized, Libertarians who are part of that Movement want the Federal Reserve to be closed, they want to go back to the Gold Standard, Liberals who are part of the movement want to raise the taxes on the wealthy, and for a good reason if you think about it, many Conservatives claim that if you lower taxes on the " Job creators" they're not rich people anymore according to many of them, that the money would trickle down and help everyone, that is simply not true, if you look at the Reagan era, yes the country became richer as a whole, but to who did that money go ? To the rich , while the middle and poor classed got screwed. Also the banks are the ones to blame for this mess we are in, not the poor or the middle class, you do know that many banks would gamble with your money to make profits but what happened if they fail ? The Government would bail them out, they were too big to fail as many politicians called them, yes there might people with different ideologies protesting on Wall Street, yes there might be people who are probably Upper Middle Class who have no idea what they're doing there, there might be people who are not bright, but I think, in my opinion that this movement will lead to something positive in this country, or tell me how do you want to end corruption in politics ? Sorry for writing so much, but I want to help you understand this movement a little better, I tend to agree on what you say on most of your stamps, but not on this one.
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Some of the Occupy Wall Street people are like this, being hypocritical (you know, the ones with the iPads and designer clothing). But, using myself as an example, I support OWS; right now, in England, there are no jobs because of the resession, which the bankers, the big companies AND people who spend money they don't have caused. Because of this, and the £9000 a year it's gonna take to go to Uni, I am in a Catch 22 situation: I can't get a job because there are none for those without higher eduation, and I can't get a higher education, because I can't afford it, because there are no jobs. And the government doesn't want me to be on benifits, so I guess my only option is to be homeless. And why? Because the bankers have no regard for what their actions might do, because big companies are avoiding paying decent wages and taxes by going to cheaper countries, and because, as you've said, people are taking out loans they can't pay back.
OWS isn't just for the hypocrites, it's just the ones who haven't done anything to be in this situation are at home looking for jobs, doing their studies or trying to budget the £75 they get a week to live. So please don't assume it's an "entitled moron revolution", because you're only getting one side of it.
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That... isn't what the occupy movement is about.
There are people who made stupid financial decisions, but the majority of the 99% WERE able to afford the houses they got loans for until the adjustable interest rates went through the roof and they had their jobs pulled out from under them when the economy and stock market tanked. Other people got loans because of underhanded practices by the banks who loaned them the money, some of which assured them they COULD afford the loan. When you don't know that much about finances then yes, you are going to trust the advice of professionals who are supposed to guide you through the process, not nail you to the wall.
Much of our economic disaster was caused by Wall Street and how it has been allowed to run wild since they were deregulated. It's obvious that they don't operate under any mode other than making themselves as rich as possible while pissing on everyone else.
As far as student loans go, are you serious? It's just about impossible to get a decent job without a college degree, so how the hell are you supposed to avoid THAT debt? Even regular state schools are expensive. My sister didn't go to college back in the late 80s even though she had the opportunity to and she's regretted it ever since because she CAN'T find a job ANYWHERE. They don't want people with nothing more than a high school diploma. Are poor people who are brilliant students and have the potential to do great things just supposed to flip burgers at a fast food place all their lives just because they couldn't go to school without loans?
I agree some degrees really are a waste, but many of them aren't. If you started going and dropped out of your own volition then yes, that IS your fault. If you dropped out because your parents lost their jobs and your college fund went up in smoke when Wall Street tanked then no, that isn't your fault. The parents losing their jobs and the stock market tanking isn't their fault, it's the big wigs who don't care about anything but their own pocket books.
And I'm sorry, a lot of the big wigs in the top 1% did NOT work really hard to get their money. Some people are self-made and I do not fault them for that at all, but even some of them agree that they should pay their fair share in taxes. Many millionaires pay less in taxes than their secretaries do, and that is wrong. Big business needs to stop being rewarded for sending jobs overseas and for keeping their main bank accounts out of the country in order to exploit loopholes in our corporate tax codes.
All in all the whole occupy movement is much more complex than what you're making it out to be here.
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Isn't this about shit like taxing the rich appropriately instead of bleeding dry the poor?
I'll admit, some of it is what's been said in the stamp. Some people ARE looking for a scapegoat for their own mistakes, and others are so disgusting that they decided it was ok to harass people who work the freaking desks in banks.
HOWEVER: Let's not be judgemental over student loans. I come from a working class background, and always made it my goal to go to University, and had I actually gone I'd have got a student loan. As it stands, I'm better off not going and studying for shit in my free time, I don't want to work my ass off for a degree and be denied work over "not having experience".
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So I'm a moderate somewhat conservative bro but uh
Lol @ you if you think richer ppl obviously ~worked hard 4 their money, harder than poor ppl cus poor ppl r dumbutt and cannot manage finances~~~
Not only is it a rampant generalization but also really off : - )
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also nice job ignoring the liberal socialists (who are probably welfare queens and faggots and women to boot) who are trying to bring their filthy '''logic''' and ''''facts'''' into this opinion fest!!!! who cares what occupy wall-street is "acutally" about??? personally, i don't know and i don't care!!!!! LA LA LA I CANT HEAR YOU! USA NUMBAR ONE!!!!!
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haha YEAH MAN i'm right with you there!!!! fuck those war vets--what'd they ever do for me? and those collage students???? what a bunch of HIPPIES! all that fancy math and "science" and book learnin' and those faggots are still get turned down from mc donald's for being "overqualified!!!" what a RIOT! and single moms and 20 year olds with cancer? they're just weak! if they were strong like you and me, they wouldn't be in that situation!
did you know most poor people have refrigerators? what a fucked up country! me, i dream of a usa where everyone lives from paycheck to paycheck and one accident or illness in the family is enough to drag them underwater (or UNDERGROUND, if u know what i mean 
after all, that's what civilized society is all about! that's what separates us from the animals! "he who falls behind is left behind!" ...wait, actually i think that was from pirates of the caribbean.... eh, close enough.
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You are, of course, entitled to your opinion, but you should know that's not who the Occupiers are and it's not what the movement is about.
The top 1% are not the entrepreneurs who worked hard to get their wealth, although that is what they'd have you believe. They control what the mainstream media says, so they get to propagate their own image. But the 1% are the corporations who have corrupted not just the US, but most of the first world governments across the globe in order to protect their own interests. They bought out the government and wrote in loopholes to "legalize" actions that amount to theft and fraud should less-connected citizens try it. When their bad business policies collapsed the global economy, they held the government hostage to cover their asses. The government continues to protect their, and only their interests, while the rest of the system crumbles.
So the message of the movement is this: "We refuse to participate in your oligarchy any longer." Ultimately, this may require leaving the current government and economy to start a new one. But the occupiers know that this spiral downfall will ultimately end in class and generation warfare. They are trying to head off potential civil war by establishing a movement with alternative government and a principle of non-violent civil disobedience.
Most of us are college graduates who cannot find work, because there are no opportunities. I do not think it is fair to blame the ones who listened to their parents and teacher in their formative years and did anything they could to get through college, believing as they were told that they had no future without a college degree. You may scoff at those with BAs, if you wish to believe they wasted their borrowed money on something useless. But how do you explain all the BSs who cannot find work? How do you explain my brother, with his degree in AI? My old roommate, who went on to get her masters in teaching? Her husband who has a degree in law? Another friend of mine, who got her RN? I have a friend who has two bachelors, one in computer science and one in mathematics, who is currently working to get a degree in accounting to keep his loans in deferment while he works at a supermarket deli (and yes, this is the only job he's found in years) that keeps cutting his hours. And they're cutting his hours so they can create "new" jobs for more part-timers that demand a lower hourly rate and fewer benefits while they get a pat on the back grant from the government for creating new jobs. Who do you propose we blame for that?
More and more people in this country are ending up enthralled to a financial system that stifles their rights and denies them opportunites to better themselves. More and more people are ending up with nothing left to lose. This is a dangerous situation. Please take it seriously.
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They protest people who cheated to be rich, not those that worked for it. This is basically the "YOU'RE JUST JEALOUS!!!1!" argument.
"Don't take out loans you know you can't afford to pay back and don't blame people for your poor life decisions."
College educations are expensive. Most consider it a bad life decision to not go to college. Many need to borrow money to do so. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. I doubt someone would drop out of something that important without a damn good reason.
Poverty traps are impossible to avoid. Blaming people for falling into them when they are set at every possible stop does nothing but perpetuate the problem and make you look like a dickbag.
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"...not being able to pay off a student loan you shouldn't have taken out because you couldn't have ever afforded it."
Are you... suggesting that brilliant minds, born into poverty, should never have the opportunity to better themselves?
These people are angry not because they can't pay their loans, but because the 'middle class' is being shoved into poverty or homelessness. There's something very wrong with the economy. Personally, I don't know whose fault it is, but I blame the politicians and the folks who voted them in. Considering my first opportunity to vote was the 2008 elections, however and I voted for people who did not make it into office, I can safely say that this time, it is not my fault.
But still. Your statement makes me think you're saying that my current situation, of getting a student loan now so I can finish my education, and get a job so that I can pay it off later, is a bad one and that if I have financial hardship after, I deserve it because I did not have the money to pay for everything out of pocket now. Which is cruel and unfair, because child labor laws and the currently messed up economy means there's no way at all I could afford an education.
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Dude. Just no. I'm sorry, but this is the same argument I've heard from those who only go on dA (or anywhere) for:
A) Animu
B) Furries
C) Nudes
D) Useless fandom shit
The whole Occupy Wall Street thing had NOTHING to do with student loans. Calling the protesters "jobless hippies" is like calling art critics "trolls."
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Loans have a little bit to do with the movement but they had nothing to do with the cause of it so I agree with you.
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True. Doesn't change the fact that things like university are friggin' terrifying for people who still have a few years until they go though, especially when there isn't much money around.
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I agree to an extent
On student loans; the people who drop out of school before they graduate and then demand compensation are idiots. But the people who actually finish school, and are actively looking for a job in their field but can't find one because of our horrible economy, shouldn't be treated the same way as the dropouts. If anyone deserves compensation, it's the graduates who stuck it out until they finished their degree, but are now just wasting away because no one's hiring.
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There's a person who I will not name, who I've only heard about on the Internet, but I need to say something.
Her nick here will be "G". G went to LOYOLA FUCKING UNIVERSITY (which is a Jesuit college, and as anybody with a brain knows, Jesuit colleges cost millions to go to...) and got a degree in ACTING. Now, she's too ugly for women's roles, and too girly for male roles, and she can't sing. She basically got a degree in underwater basket weaving and can't to BUCK SHIT about it. She was too lazy to file bankruptcy and now she has so much money racked up in Student Loans that she can never repay them. She doesn't have any real skills that can be used, three kids who can't read (the oldest is like, 14 or something) and because she has outstanding student loans she can't get a professional title.
She went to her state's "Occupy Wallstreet" and spends her time railing against Christians and Republicans, blaming everybody for her problems except herself. She is the EPITOME of the 99%.
It was such an extreme example, I really really had to bring it up. I'm sorry if this was TL;DR, but it had to be brought up.
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...... what the fuck do you even DO with a degree in acting? Her poor kids, I'd had to be raised by such a selfish entitled child.
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You know, that beats me. Maybe it's so you can perform on Broadway? I don't know, but I'd hate to be raised by such a failure at life as well.
"Her poor kids". From what I hear, they're all entitled jerkasses like their mother...except the youngest one.
The oldest one has [These quotes are not mine.] "no respect for personal property (as shown by my Dad's broken crossbow that we were TOLD not to touch)" and "the middle one thinks he's a 'Pyromancer.' I bet you a dollar if I shoved him in the stove and turned it to 350, he wouldn't do a goddamned thing about it. Just sit in there and burn, and I can't say it was my fault- he's the PYROMANCER! It's his JOB to control fire, is it not??"
And from what I grasp, the oldest likes to hit people with swords. Can't read, doesn't listen to set rules, likes to hit people with weapons, I think we have a reaaaaaaaal wiiiiiinner here.
So yeah. She's created three more mini-Gs who are all going to grow up and leech off of society. Unless the youngest one gets his crap together unlike the rest of his failing family. It's so...tragic.
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"I'm talking about taking out loans to buy houses you KNOW you can't afford and using credit cards to buy shit you don't need to survive and KNOW you can't afford. Self made disasters if you will."
Amen sister, a-fukkin'-men! Seriously, even I would be content with a pre-owned car that I could buy right out from the dealer for $400-$1000 (depending upon model year, 90-95 cars are usually in the $400 range where I live) I would've saved up to get a bit of an updated ride besides the 89' Oldsmobile Brougham I drive around that looks like (and sometimes acts like) it needs to sit and be restored for a bit. As long as the car ran right, doesn't give me hell, has good gas mileage and can get me from point A to point B without threatening to blowout it's radiator once a week, then I'd pretty much say me and that car would be on good terms. Why do I need a car that has all these bells and whistles and mostly requires a professional to repair even the smallest of shit? These new cars half the time break down after you give it an oil change. My policy is if I can't work on it, then I'm not going driving it.
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*going to be driving
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I saw a video of one of their little meetings they conducted, and it was creepy just how similar these people are to a CULT.
This stamp needed to be made, thank you!
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A lot of people I know that participate in this movement are not what you just described. I was under the impression that they were protesting big businesses that get richer by shipping jobs overseas and the fact that their taxes were supposedly used to bail out these same businesses. Hmm maybe I'm wrong then. But I admit, I admire the fact they voiced their opinions the way that they did.
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I want to do parody of these Occupy movements by making an Occupy DeviantArt one though I think if I do, people would get pissed off and then I'll be banned
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...I kinda want to do that parody too. It would be awesome!
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I'll let you know if I ever get around to it
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... yeah, this isn't about that.
This is recognizing unfair advantage/disadvantage that DOES exist in America.
It's also anti-capitalism, which I don't like, but this is mostly about the dark side of capitalism: gaining wealth/power from exploiting others.
That I DON'T like
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Fucking exactly, thank you!!
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THIS. THIS FOREVER.
The stupidity of some of these people is just mind-boggling.
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I forgot to add.... People don't seem to understand that, in general, wealth isn't just handed to people on a silver plate. People work their rear ends off for it. Just throwing that out there.
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The whole self-importance and sense of entitlement thing is getting out of hand. Despite all the Occupy protests around the world, has even one of the "99%" come up with a viable fix-all solution to their problems? lol no, they want the "rich" scientists and think-tanks to come up with a remedy.
Oh wait, I think a few of them are advocating "true" communism, lulz.
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You are misinformed. All Occupations are run by a General Assembly, a work in progress model for a new form of government. You may scoff it if you like, but it so far has kept a camp of thousands of people living in Zuccotti Park (now without tents, as the Governor of NYC has decided that tents are no longer legal) as a functioning community for over six weeks.
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That may be true, but I'm certainly not the only one "misinformed". I think the Occupy protesters in Toronto never got the memo.
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