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Description What's a Leader-1 to do?

Well that's the end everyone, these were all the pages I completed for the Progoluge to Transformers vs GoBots. Like I said way back when I first started posting these, they were originally for a collaboration that never came to fuition, so I thought it would be fun to post them here. Thanks to everyone who came by and had a look, I hope you enjoyed them!

On another note, I had a website created for this as well. I recently started working out the bugs and trying to update some of the more dated things in it, so when it's finished, I shall post a link in my journal.
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Orumon [2010-03-29 21:37:02 +0000 UTC]

Perfect prologue, followed by the perfect time to cut it short.

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TF-Wheelie-Hornet [2008-12-18 02:51:10 +0000 UTC]

Your prologue was excellent. It's good to see a TF fan who also likes GoBots like me. I even have a few OC GoBots. They're all Guardians though. There's Nitra and her sister Phantasya. Burn who is Phantasya's husband and they're daughter Torch (she's a tomboy) and son Code-E (it's pronounced Cody).

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Giga-Leo In reply to TF-Wheelie-Hornet [2008-12-19 19:23:44 +0000 UTC]

Many thanks!
I never understood the overwhelming and sometimes ridiculously mindless hatred a lot of Transformers fans have for GoBots, many of whom have never even seen the series!
I *love* Transformers, LOVE em, but egads, they too had some craptacular episodes. I understand nostalgia-vision is powerful, but some people need to realize that Transformers are far from untouchable.
To me, if someone wants to harp on the GoBots' shortcomings as a cartoon (oye, Hanna Barbera, what'd they *expect*?) they need to take a look at transformers with the same overly critical eye.
Like I say, to me, most GoBot-bashing is the equivalency of the whole "That's what *she* said" joke. It was old when it started.

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Sithking-Zero [2007-10-24 01:51:30 +0000 UTC]

Wait... isn't there more?

Please?

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Giga-Leo In reply to Sithking-Zero [2007-11-03 19:39:08 +0000 UTC]

Sorry, the written version will be up soon, but nothing else was drawn comic-wise I just need to figure out the best way to toss it up and it'll be rolling again

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Sithking-Zero In reply to Giga-Leo [2007-11-03 22:07:20 +0000 UTC]

Aaah... can you send me a note or something when you have it?

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Command12000 [2007-10-18 19:18:26 +0000 UTC]

OH Ya I almost forgot one thing I remember on episode that showed around the size of Trypticon.

He was used to place Unicron's head on Cybertron and when I looked at it he's slightly smaller than the head. That would mean (also judging by your comic's discription) I would say that Transformer battle fortresses are bigger than the command ships.

I would actually think that Dark Star (I think that's the name of the renagade flagship) is probably around the same size as Trypticon and Metroplex. If they could figure out a way to make it transform they would have a space battle fortress.

From what I can figure out on sizes Renagade ships are noticably smaller than Command ships but Dark star has hangers to carry many Renagade ships so I would say that that ship is around the city size the battle fortresses are.

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Giga-Leo In reply to Command12000 [2007-10-20 20:33:41 +0000 UTC]

You can't use the cartoon to determine a definitive size for anyone. For example, like you said, Trypticon is used to tow Unicron's head. Okay. In another scene of that same episode, Scourge(posessed by Starscream) is walking around with Metroplex's eye, which makes no sense if you go by a shot in the intro where you see I think Bruticus and/or Menasor being dwarfed by Metroplex... if that's the case, how is a regular size bot able to run around with his eye? Later, Trypricon and Metroplex's eyes are used to replace Unicron's eyes. Now this is the same Unicron, and the same eye socket that the Transformers had to use a full sized SHIP to crash through in the movie. Makes no sense at all. So the size of Unicron's head and Trypticon and Metroplex, as well as Fort Max and Scorpronok were really altered to fit whatever story they were trying to tell. If you were basing everything on the movie, Trypticon would have needed a LOT of help to move Unicron's head, and Metroplex and Trypticon's eyes wouldn't been anywhere NEAR large enough to fit. So despite any and all observations, their sizes aren't concrete, it's whatever you need them to be for story purposes. Although the general consensus amongst the TF fans is that Fort Max is indeed much bigger than Metroplex.

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Command12000 In reply to Giga-Leo [2007-10-27 01:49:41 +0000 UTC]

Ok but from what you tell me first Metroplex is at least the size of a small to medium city. Thus very large any way. So that would mean that Fortress Max's alt mode is somewhere around the size of new York or somewhat smaller then that.



(Also when you said that the fans expect Metroplex's size to be that big are you sure that most fan's expect that alot of guy's I know apparently are more comfortable with the size from the Comic, This isn't ment as a critisum. But i am somewhat confused at how they are compairing sizes are they compairing this to the Fort Max From the Robots in Disguise series or the main stream? Sorry but the guy's I'm in touch with tend to use the comic more mostly because it's easier to make use that info in comics accuratly than on Cartoons since tech and (TF sizes) are easier to compair).

But I guess the hardest thing with this is that figureing the size differance between the Guardian guy's and the Transformer's. From what I can tell. They would be hard pressed to deal with Fort Maz, Trypticon, and/or Metroplex.

The only thing I can think of that they could do to take those guy's on evenly it to figure out a way to turn the Renagade's home base into a giant gobot then that would be around the right size to deal with them.

I do have an idea though maybe it would be a good idea if you tried to do what the writers in the Gobot's never did. Flesh them out better. Make them actually have some sort of back ground and such. As far as I can tell I can't find any info on what rank's the gobots have. What past's they had. And finally I never could figure out why they never had certain gobots have certain weeknesses and strength's.

Ex. The Tracker Small Foot was once following the lead of scooter (apparently doing the tracking) and Small Foot kept loosing a gobot's trail and when she couldn't find the tracks Scooter kept noticing the little details Small Foot missed. But scouting and tracking isn't suppost to be Scooter's specialty it's sience.

For some reason every gobot's strength's and weeknesses keep's changer every episode. For some reason the three main character gobots keep having to be good at everything and they have no weeknesses or thing's they aren't skilled with. That's not very realistic.

Sorry I just had to point that out because I think it's a flaw that need's to be corrected.

I hope this aids you with your comic.

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Festum [2007-10-17 02:40:52 +0000 UTC]

I'm curious, why does Cy-Kill want Leader-1 to accept Unicron's power and get a snazzy new upgrade? They're enemies, they hate one another. Wouldn't he just smash Leader-1's head in and leave for Cybertron?

And yes, the art in the Megatron: Origin book is absolutely gorgeous. IDW is on a role.

I can't wait for you to get the site up, I hope for more on this soon.

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maven1983 In reply to Festum [2020-10-20 02:34:16 +0000 UTC]

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Giga-Leo In reply to Festum [2007-10-20 20:04:10 +0000 UTC]

Hehe, I'd say arrogance. The deal is kind of a package thing, Unicron wants both the Renegads and Guardians, so Blane's thought is probably that he's not going to be able to keep this form unless Leader-1 goes along with the plan.

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Command12000 [2007-10-12 19:05:15 +0000 UTC]

Oh I almost forgot.

Their was a few interesting aspects of Transformer technology that became very apparent when looking at how the tech from the Gobots and transformers performes.

Transformers has mass displacement technology they can store extra mass in another dimention when needed which is how they change sizes then they transform.

I have not seen Gobots utalize transformations that enable them to change their size.

Also most gobots seem to be somewhat porley constructed when you look at them. Some areas of them seem less armored than most transformers.

ALso I have noticed that Gobots are all armed with the same energy weapon in their fists. However Transformers are armed with a variety of weapons. The weapons and their affects very from the weapon type.

Also it would be interesting if one Gobot had recieved what the gobots would percieve as a mortal damage but they Transformers get ahold of the gobot and revive him or her and then she or he gets imprissoned. That would be interesting show that the Transformers are more mechanically inclined than the gobots it would make sence.

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Giga-Leo In reply to Command12000 [2007-10-20 20:02:13 +0000 UTC]

Honestly I wouldn't say they're constructed any more poorly than the first run of TF's, but the animated show *did* stick disturbingly close to their toy designs, which is okay, but a little bit of artistic license could have done wonders. For example, take a look at the toys for Pipes, Huffer, Brawn, and compare them to the GoBots, not a whole heck of a lot of difference. That isn't to say that Leader-1's a better toy than say, Starscream, but had the animators stuck as close to the original toy designs as the Gobot animators did, the TFs would have looked pretty silly too.

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Command12000 [2007-10-11 15:04:18 +0000 UTC]

One other thing though.

Did you also know that the Transformers have different types of transformer classifications.

There are Target Masters, Head Masters, Power Masters, and pretenders. Probably their are more but these are some pretty interesting variations.

Target, Head, and Power Masters use Humans or Algoians as components as either their heads, engines, or weapons. These enhancements generally increase the Transformers Over all fire power, strength, speed, reaction time, durability, and other abilities. a few interesting side affects are for head masters the personalities of the two (human and transformer) some what merges when combined. For Power Masters the human component tends to eat 5 times more than a normal human would. I'm not completly sure about target masters though.

Pretenders are interesting they are designed to disguise themselves as fleshies. The outer shell can act as either armor or as reinforcements that can be controled remotly by that Transformer.

check out
[link]
for some interesting bios and insite on the G1 comic.

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Giga-Leo In reply to Command12000 [2007-10-11 19:27:03 +0000 UTC]

Oh yes, I'm very aware of the other TF classifications Once the TF series ended here in the U.S, the Japanese took the ball and really ran with it. It looks like you've found out about Headmasters and MasterForce, but wait until you hit TF Victory, where you're introduced to Brainmasters and the Breastforce. Those guys are super-awesome. Brainmasters work *somewhat* like headmasters. There's a smaller robot who can enter a larger robot(vehicle)'s chest area. When the front panel closes, it also pushes the smaller robot (whose feet are planted) upward so that the new robot's face (concealed in the smaller robot's chest) becomes visible, and the smaller robot's head now locks into place literally within the head of the new, larger robot, becoming the 'brain'. The BreastForce are Destron (Decepticons), who each have a smaller, robot animal partner housed in their chests. These can be deployed and attack on their own, or transform into guns for their partner. In addition to this, the main six (Leozak, Killbison, Gaihawk, Hellbat, Jaruga, and Drillhorn) merge into LioKaiser, quite possibly one of the *the* most powerful Gestalts... anthough personally my loyalty will forever lay with Predaking... Anywho, their leader, the fantastically awesome Deszaras, houses *two* Breastforce components. Very cool.

You may also want to check out Transformers: Zone, there was only one episode made, but it introduced all the G1 gestalts as single, updated entities plus Trypticon and Black Zarak. I wish that series had continued, there's no telling what other types of TF they would have gotten out of it.

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Command12000 In reply to Giga-Leo [2007-10-12 18:01:11 +0000 UTC]

Actually even though I did find out about HeadMasters and powermasters I found out something that Marvel actually had the PowerMasters, HeadMasters, and Pretenders (I'm not sure about the Target Masters but they are in the comic to) in their comics. So considering that according to the issue I have Marvel still owned Transformers when they came out.

Interesting note though the first Marvel Pretenders had human forms but they were around 20 feet tall or more. (Boy they blend in so well don't they) I remember that something went wrong with Buldedon and his pretender shell came out like a skeleton in a samuri suit.

Also their was one Marvel comic issue that I'm trying to get ahold of that has a unique plot "Megatron vs Galvatron" That has got to be the fight of the millenium.

Most of the information I know about the Head Masters and such comes from the Marvel comics.

Judging by what I know so far of these comics the first confrontations between transformer and gobots will probably be a disaster for the Gobots. Unlike the Transformers the gobots probably have would not be very well equiped or prepared for exactly what the Transformers can throw at them. (I can immagine a swarm of insecticons decending on the Renagades and happly munching down on some or Grimlock ripping a gobot's arm of from it's socket and hitting said gobot with his own arm)

Speaking of Trypticon Does any of the Gobots actually have anything that size? I know the actual classification Trypticon and Metroplex is a battle fortress. Which means that their are more than one battle fortress types like Trypticon and Metroplex.

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Giga-Leo In reply to Command12000 [2007-10-15 16:41:35 +0000 UTC]

I'm not sure if that's an argument or not, but, Marvel has "never' owned Transformers, they just had the license and made the comics. Takara and Hasbro made the toys, then Marvel would put them in the comic and use the original bios as a springboard, although they did disregard a *lot* of stuff from the cartoon counterparts and the toy bios.

Also, please stop explaining different types of TFs to me, I *already know* about them. I certainly don't know everything about TFs, but I've got a pretty good notion of who and what's around, whereas it sounds like you're just getting into them. I can appreciate that, but please don't tell me what you're finding out as if I don't already know. I'm sorry if that sounds like I'm being a jerk, but you've done this in your last few posts and I think I made it pretty clear that I already know.

In regards to Gobots encountering the Transformers in comic cameos, they all *have* been disasters, from the Gobots point of view anywho. See if you can locate some of Dreamwave's War Within and Armada series. We've seen the remains of Gobot bodies in factories, Leader-1 reduced to a subservient minicon, and in an upcoming issue of Megatron's origin, he's in a battle arena killing a souped up version of Cy-Kill. The art is fantastic, but Cy-Kill's still getting it handed to him I still maintain that if the original Gobots series had been given some innovative (not to mention competent) writers, and gotten some consistently progressive toy designers (which they did in Japan) the U.S Gobots everyone know wouldn't be such a joke. Oh well...

Metroplex and Trypticon! The size issue is always weird with TFs, I don't think there's any way to say for certain who would be what size compared to who. Personally, in my head I see Metroplex and Trypticon being 1/2 the size of Fortress Maximus. I know there's a never ending hooplah over who's bigger, but I've always thought that a flying space station/battle fortress would be even bigger than a rolling battle station. But that's just me. I don't know what went on with the sizes of Fort Max and Scorponok in the comic, but I disregard those because they stretched the sub-space thing a waaaay too much for my taste. I follow the cartoon info much more than the comics. Anyway, I the way I see it, a Command Center and Thruster ( since they house so many Gobots) I always saw as being the same size as Metroplex, so they'd be half the size of Fortress Maximus. That's up for debate since nothing is concrete, but that's how I have them sized for the Transformers vs Gobot idea.

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Command12000 In reply to Giga-Leo [2007-10-16 18:58:09 +0000 UTC]

Well in the comic Fortress Maxumix and Scorpinoc is actually not as big as Metroplex or trypticon. However he was notably taller than most people. Not even his alt most was near that big. I did like the way how Grimlock challanged Fortress Maxumix to determin who lead's the AUtobots even though Fortress Maxumix is several feet bigger than the dinobot.

To be honest size really doesn't matter whither your in space or on the ground. I think that in the cartoon Fortress Maxumix is actually about the same size as Metroplex. This is from what I gather (IT's hard when in the japanese cartoon version it keeps looking like the sizes for Trypticon, Metroplex, several of the other big guy's keep's changing).

Also I do want to say size wise when I checked the cartoon Metroplex is almost the size of a small city so that would mean that he's notably big and I looked at those command ships compaired to human buildings and I would deduce that Command SHip's are actually notably smaller than Metroplex. My best guess for the full extent of the size is that a command ship comes up to Metroplex's knee or somewhere close to it. (Where talking about a massive Transformer much much bigger than a Gesult)

I think that Omega Supreme is around the same size as a Command ship. He can carry several Autobots no problem as well.

I did read some war Within conics It's very interesting. However aside from the first few issues I don't have much.

Also I remember in the G2 comic Megatron in a new body actually punched right throgh Fortress Maxumix's chest.

I do agree that Cykill is apparently used as cannon fotter to much but when you think about it Gobots is amost like a copy of the plot for Transformers. Only Transformers was before Gobots. I still wonder why didn't they actually go very far into explaining the backgrounds of the Gobots anyway. The writes simply focused on action and plots they never showed much humanity in the Gobots aside from day to day. nothing that would explain why certain GObot's act the way they do.

THat's probably why they're used as mostly extra's now.

The writers for them never took the time to make backgrounds for them.

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Giga-Leo In reply to Command12000 [2007-11-03 20:36:36 +0000 UTC]

Technically, the Transformers and Gobots came out at the same time in the U.S, and the GoBots toyline came out about a year before Transformers. Most people think Transformers came first because they were more popular.

Methinks we're at an impasse in regards to Fort Max and Metroplex. You've got your stance and I've got mine. Clearly neither of us is going to budge so the best bet is probably to let it drop. Besides, even if I agreed with your take on the sizes (which will never happen), I wrote TF vs GB years ago, I certainly wouldn't change it now. If you don't like the way I handled it in the story, I'm afraid that's too bad.

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Command12000 In reply to Giga-Leo [2007-11-19 03:57:49 +0000 UTC]

Well there is one slight thing though. The Transformers toyline came out before they were Transformers.

At first they were just toys that turned into robots and cars and such. (I found this out by watching a certain special in the History of the Transformers) The cartoon was made when the guy's at Hasbro were looking at all these Japanese toys and thought that they could make an interesting story behind this.

This actually started the Toy cartoon phases when the Transformers and Gobots were around. So if the Gobots toys were around at around the same time the official Transformers toys came around that means that the origional Transformers (what was called car robots) were around before then.

Also I think I have another thing that explains why most people think that Transformers were better than Gobots...THEY ONLY MADE THREE STUPID COMICS FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!!!

This isn't to make a commotion but I think it would be good to point out that in comparison to comic issues between Transformers and Gobots it's supprising that the guys that do gobots acutally so lazy in comic competiveness.

Also for some other Suggestion you may want to be some what adaptive of your comic story you may find that adjusting your comic some times from what you write in the past may actually make the story better in the future. Just be adaptive to the story and think of some supprising ways to imprive on your origional story. You did write it a while ago you may find some info that you can use to imporve on it.

Also I think Cykill will probably begin to suspect that something is ammiss with all this I mean he's very untrusting and it's not Likely so Some one like Cykill that Unicron will follow through on those terms.

(Also if you do destory Galvatron could you then Bring Back Megatron some how that would probaby be a very popular move considering that Megatron is a much better leader than Galvatron)

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maven1983 In reply to Command12000 [2020-10-20 02:48:07 +0000 UTC]

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Giga-Leo In reply to Command12000 [2007-12-04 00:56:25 +0000 UTC]

Hey there!
Yup, technically Diaclone came out a year or two before Machine Robo, but they weren't known as Transformers or marketed as such until a year after Machine Robo had already been grabbed by Tonka and released in the U.S as GoBots. One year before the Transformers came onto the scene. You can argue, but if we're nitpicking; Diaclone predated Machine Robo, but Gobots predate Transformers. I'm glad you're finding out new things about the franchises, but again I have to ask you to stop telling me things I already know. Egads.

As for your suggestions about the comic/fanfiction, how about you actually let me post it and read it before telling me I need to change it. Who knows, you might even like it

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PutterPen [2007-10-01 15:09:06 +0000 UTC]

dammit. I want to know how this ended >>

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Giga-Leo In reply to PutterPen [2007-10-02 00:52:23 +0000 UTC]

Not to worry, I'm dusting off the files and trying to figure out what would be the best way to bring this to you guys and gals By the way, awesome avatar, I loved Vib-Ribbon!

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PutterPen In reply to Giga-Leo [2007-10-04 16:47:16 +0000 UTC]

Heh. I thought the game was obscure. I'm now finding a decent number of people who have played the game before.

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Giga-Leo In reply to PutterPen [2007-10-11 19:28:15 +0000 UTC]

I really wish Sony would port that over or at least make it available as a download. Even better if Microsoft could do it, since I have a 360...

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megawing [2007-09-20 23:32:32 +0000 UTC]

I'm sad that it's the end but thank you for you see I tolally forgot the gobots till I went to your page it reminds me why I like The gobots so much I even made fan gobots there names are Soundcheck and Shockjock.

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Giga-Leo In reply to megawing [2007-09-24 15:32:20 +0000 UTC]

I'm glad you enjoyed it! If I can find the time I'd be happy to continue it. Who knows

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megawing In reply to Giga-Leo [2007-10-05 01:55:43 +0000 UTC]

Okay and if you need help with some Ideas I add you to my buddy list.

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megawing In reply to megawing [2007-10-05 05:32:33 +0000 UTC]

I forget to say or if you just want to talk.

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lady-warrior [2007-09-19 17:52:24 +0000 UTC]

and if they don't unicron will eat them. XD

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Giga-Leo In reply to lady-warrior [2007-09-19 19:36:53 +0000 UTC]

Too true, GoBots are like a box of chocolates after all

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lady-warrior In reply to Giga-Leo [2007-09-19 19:45:59 +0000 UTC]

EXD you should see this.. [link]

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Command12000 [2007-09-19 16:54:08 +0000 UTC]

This is pretty cool.

I also know that Cykill is going to be into a rude awakaning especially since the Transformers are much more dangerous than anything they have necountered.

Also what Unicron doesn't know of is that the Autobots and Decepticons are allied with each other now to stop an enemy more dangerous than Unicron.

The Cybertronian Empire who has one goal to destory all life that isn't transformer. They View Autbots as terroriests and Decepticons as obsolete and thus must be destoryed. I Love the old G1 and G2 marvel comics. Especially when Megatron returned and is given a complete refit by Cobra.

Also I did compair Transformer tech from Gobot tech and I think that the Transformers are a good bit ahead of them.

I bet that leader 1 would probably stop to think about why Unicron would with all his power ask for help to destroy the Cybetonian race when he did all that damage himself.

I hope to see the next issue soon.

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Giga-Leo In reply to Command12000 [2007-09-19 19:36:17 +0000 UTC]

Thanks for the comments!
Lesse, oh yes, the Transformers are definitely on a different playing field than the GoBots. Even though I contribute that mostly to the craptacular writing by Hanna-Barbera, they set the standard for what the GoBots are and are not capable of doing.

I enjoyed some of the early G1 comics, definitely a lot more than the newer stuff that's been coming out. But I have to admit Gen 2 didn't really hold my interest. But then, I've always been more of a fan of the animated shows so I'm kind of biased.

And yes, I'm sure that once the shock of the whole planetary destruction thing wears off, Leader-1's going to have a few questions about Unicron's desire to use them to achieve his goals.

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Command12000 In reply to Giga-Leo [2007-09-20 17:12:08 +0000 UTC]

Your welcome. You know I did some research and found out that the Gobots are actually not a robotic species they are actually cyboargs all Gobots were once an organic species but after some disaster they converted their bodies to robotic ones.

So far they have never (to my knowlege) met an actual setient robotic race.

I do wonder how the Gobots would treat the Swarm and also a few other interesting facts (Also I bet that Unicron didn't know that their are actually two Matrixs one in possetion of Optimus Prime and the other in possetion of Leage Maximo the leader of the Cybertronian Empire.

I liked how some of the way how G2 made a few plot twists. I guess the main reason that G2 didn't capture much interest was that it was actually somewhat slow starting to pick up the plot. You actually find out more about it in the later issues. It got really interesting after I read the last issue of G2.

BUt one question I have never seen any Gobots have a combiner ability. I bet that none of the Gobots actually have the technology to merge personalities together and separating them. THey have probably never thought of doing something like that.

I also love one thing Autobots and Decepticons can survive much more danage than a gobot apparently I have never seen a gobot torn to shreads and still be repaired. However Transformers can and they can even be revived after they die. It really makes me want to see the next issue thinking about the differences in their technology and battle experiances. (not to mention some of the Cybertonians have tech that boarders on the supernatural) It makes me want to see what's going to happen more and more. (I also can't wait to see their shocked expressions the first time the Cybertonians flex their technological might)

ANother advantage the Cybertonians have is that they can build more troops and civilians as needed. So that would mean that the Transformers have a numerical advantage in some areas.

I love talking about this kind of stuff.

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Giga-Leo In reply to Command12000 [2007-10-02 00:36:46 +0000 UTC]

Woo, lots of stuff to talk about!
You are correct, the GoBots were a human-esque civilization, and I always loved that aspect of them, I personally think it's why they related so much better to the humans when they encountered them. If you notice, the GoBots really didn't need to have that much explained to them by the humans like the Transformers did, and I attribute that to them already having a deep-rooted understanding of them.

It gets really sticky in regards to all the different Convoys and Matrixes out there. There's Liege Maximo, and if you dip into the Japanese Beast Wars continuity, you've got a a series of other Convoys *each* with a functioning matrix. I'm no expert by any means, but I think after those series it becamse the norm for whatever Convoy was in charge to have their own matrix. I don't know if they built off what Prime said in the U.S series after he emptied it to stop the hate plague (with the matrix being a collection of TF knowledge, etc) and leave us to assume that the matrix has acquired so much it can now be delegated to various matrixes and still function like the one in the movie... or maybe I'm just reaching
I do wonder how the GoBots would react to the Swarm, I'm presuming if they were to absorb a renegade, it would set them off on a murderous killing spree again, but if they tried to munch Leader-1, the effect *might* be similar to when Prime offered himself, but considering they're not Transformers, it might have a strange mutagenic effect on the swarm.

I liked how some of the way how G2 made a few plot twists. I guess the main reason that G2 didn't capture much interest was that it was actually somewhat slow starting to pick up the plot. You actually find out more about it in the later issues. It got really interesting after I read the last issue of G2.
I can't say I've ever really been into Gen 2. I used to pick up a random issue or two, but just couldn't get into the stories. Honestly, I haven't been into the comic stories for awhile now, but I do love certain stories that took place in the animated series. They were far and few between, but there were some real goldern nuggets in them every now and then.

There actually are some GoBot combiners, a few different types, but they never go into detail about what happenes to the personalities (if anything) when they do. There's the combiner Monstrous, who's called Devil Satan in the japanese Machine Robo series. They don't give much insight on his mental make-up, and he pretty much just follows orders to destroy in the cartoon so I'm not sure if there's much else to him. You've also got Puzzler who's a car combiner. He appeared in one animated GoBots episode, but was just a remote controlled drone for Cy-Kill. Then you've got the combining 'ower suits'. They were cooler than people want to give them credit for. You could actually stick a Gobot *inside* each limb and then combine the limbs to form a large robot. The powersuit combiner just obeyed what the members told it to do. There were three(and a half), you had the Guardian combiner Courageous, which actually came in two color schemes, Grungy, who was just Courageous with a black and red color-scheme.
Do you remember the Duacons from Transformers? Slywheels and Battletrap? They had bots kind of like those in GoBots as well. You never see then in the U.S cartoon, but in Machine Robo you meet them. You had had Dreadlaunchers, who were usually one animal robot and one vehicle robot that combines, and the Combinators, who were two vehicles that combined. They don't give too much info on the nature of their combination, but you meet a couple in Machine Robo.

I need to go back and watch my old GoBot episodes, I don't remember exactly, but I thought there were some episodes where the GoBots take some pretty heavy damage and come back from it. But overall yeah, I don't think the writers ever had them endure any really serious injuries, though it would have been nice to see how they'd handle that. But I did like how some of the GoBots, like the Transformers, also had abilities that were more than just the ability to change forms. Leader-1's force field, for instance, or Scooter's ability to project holograms. Hmm, well, maybe those are pretty robot-based, but I figure they're in league with a lot of the special abilities TFs have shown. I'm sure there are a few I'm forgetting.

I'd also be interested in seeing exactly how GoBots can (if they can) make more GoBots. I don't remember if it's covered in the cartoon, but there certainly seem to be a whole heck of a lot of them on Gobotron, and I can't imagine them all being from the time before their civilization changed. There must some method of reproduction or manufacture that maybe we haven't been made aware of

Man, you made some fantastic points here, what else have you noticed?

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Command12000 In reply to Giga-Leo [2007-10-02 13:47:28 +0000 UTC]

Actually the Matrix in G1 comic is capable of much more than just collect knowlege and wisdom. It also holds the collectied history of Cybertron itself. It's also capacle of bringing life to transformer bodies and also create new transformers. Origionally there were hundreds of matrixes but now the only known one is in possetion of Prime. Their are other ways the Transformers can create more of their own kind but the matrix is the fastest way.

Also once Starscream stole the matrix and used it with himself to merge himself with a Decepticon ship that was the size of the moon "the WarWorld" it enabled Starscream to alter the ship to his mear whim and repair damage instantly. He used these new powers to decimate Jaxis (I know I didn't spell that right) forces. Megatron and Prime entered the warworld in hope's of retrieving the Matrix. But were almost destroyed but they held on for an impressive amount of time. If it wasn't for the fact that the Matrix was rewriting his personality to that of a noble hero Starscream would have destoryed both Megatron and Optimus Prime. Starscream realized that something was ammis when he stoped an orbital bombardment from the Cybertonian Empire. When Prime explained what was happaning to him he Begged prime to stop it he didn't want his personality to change and Prime told him that he needed to give back the matrix. After a few minutes of thinking Starscream returned it. So the Matrix is capable of much more than just collecting knowlege. It's a piece of technology who's powers is virtually supernatural.

Also if you noticed the Gobot race's recorded history is at most 100,000 years rang old. The Cybertonian recorded history is hundreds of millions of years old. so the Cybertonian race is much older than that of the gobots. The gobots also can live far longer than gobots apparently. When I looked at one gobot episode where a gobot in a ship crashed several thousand years ago it's only crew member had deactivated long ago and could not be recovered...in other words when gobot's deactivate for longer that a few years they can't be recovered. However Transformers can be in a deactivated state form millions of years and still be able to be reactivated. THe Transformer concept of death is different from the gobots. The Transformers view death as a temporary thing while the Gobots think of it as a perminant thing.

I think it would be interesting if some of the gobots tried to spy on the Autobots and Decepticons. I bet that Crasher and Wildrider would hit it off those who are reclase drivers.

Also I think that Gobot combiners are some what different than Transformers. Gobot combiners may have an estra personality than Gesults. I would say that judging by your discription the gobot combiners AI's have no personality, little tactical systems, just a order send and recieve part. They take orders and follow them. I would say that this maybe because of their origional organic nature. They have no knowlege in how effective combining personalities would cause and Gobots would probably be to scared to do it anyway so they use a programmed AI for the Combiner's personality. This leads that even the most of the slow witted of the Gesults could out think the Gobot's combiners (only Abolmodus could not be able to out think them (however he's nearly invulnerablt to anything so he really doesn't need to worry much)

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Giga-Leo In reply to Command12000 [2007-10-11 19:03:36 +0000 UTC]

I see the matrix as being whatever the writer of an ongoing series wants it to be. G1, G2, BW and even BM have their interpretations of it, as did Armada, as did the DW comics, etc. I consider the entire concept of the matrix to be a ball of plot clay, writers squish it and change it into whatever they need for whatever story purpose. Not that I have a problem with it, I actually like how the matrix has such an undefinable mystique to it that it can literally be whatever you want it to be. If Simon Furman decided tomorrow that the matrix was the best snowcone machine in existence, it *could* be, because the very nature of the matrix allows it be that.

I think that the Gobots' life spans are open to interpretation because the writers were too incompetent to really play around with it or give us any solid information. If you look at how they're (on a cosmic scale anyway) a fledgeling robot race, there's no telling what kind of changes could be going on, planet or civilization-wise. The writers really missed out on the opportunity to explore that and take to new places, sadly... As for activation and deactivation, I wouldn't put too much stock in one episode. The transformers continuity changed so much you could apply anything. Yes, they were deactivated for millions of years and revived, but you've also got an episode where Optimus is hacked into pieces and scattered, but reassembled and fine at the end of the episode- but he had a hardcore fight with Megatron in the movie and dies from the wounds. I think their life, lack thereof and potential revivals all depend on what you need them to do for the story. GoBots just weren't around long enough nor had writers decent enough to play with that aspect.

Lesse, I think Crasher would fit right in with the Stunticons, and she seems to have a heck of a lot more actual steering control than they do so she'd probably be able to show them a thing or two. I see the Stunticons as reckless, whereas I'd say Crasher is more along the lines of an actual stunt car. Looks crazy, but there's control behind what's being done.

In regards to the combiners, they were never really delved into, and I blame the writers for that again because there was a *lot* they could have done with it. There isn't any definitive on whether on the nature of a combined Gobot personality aside from Puzzler who, like I said, was just a remote controlled robot more than an actual GoBot. In that instance it didn't have anything to do with their organic nature, Puzzler was just a remote controlled machine, he would only do what the controller told him to. So if Cy-Kill knew how to combat Abominus, Puzzler would wipe the floor with him. Of course, in Abominus' defense (because he *is* one of my favorite gestalts), I'd say he's on par with Bruticus and Menasor, neither of whome seemed able to speak better than savage Hulk.
The power suits were literally just that; suits, so A.I doesn't come into play, it's just the Gobots inside each suit doing their thing, kind of like Voltron. In Machine Robo however, the combined form of Devil Satan has his own independent thought, but was never really built upon, he was just there for Rom to beat up. Overall I think if given the chance and the right forum, the whole Gobots mythos could be really interesting, as opposed to them just being continual gags and punching bags in the current comics.

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The-Siren-PhD [2007-09-12 20:57:53 +0000 UTC]

Wow. Loved it. Hope you decide to continue sometime!

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Giga-Leo In reply to The-Siren-PhD [2007-09-19 19:30:16 +0000 UTC]

Me too, I had a blast working on this and really didn't want to stop.

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Damatee [2007-09-12 16:40:37 +0000 UTC]

Wow... so thats it the end... damn

well that has been a fantastic prologue
...shame there wont be any more

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Giga-Leo In reply to Damatee [2007-09-19 19:29:44 +0000 UTC]

Many thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed it! I really wish I had the time to go further with it, but ah well. Hopefully you'll enjoy the website content!

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Deepex007 [2007-09-12 14:56:49 +0000 UTC]

Awesome. Looking forward to seeing more of your work on this project

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Giga-Leo In reply to Deepex007 [2007-09-19 19:28:21 +0000 UTC]

Thank you! As soon as the site's up and running I shall let everyone know

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pricon [2007-09-12 09:42:36 +0000 UTC]

The prologue was awesome.

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Giga-Leo In reply to pricon [2007-09-19 19:27:53 +0000 UTC]

Thank you sir!

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pricon In reply to Giga-Leo [2007-09-20 02:10:55 +0000 UTC]

You're welcome.

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duo2nd [2007-09-12 09:15:17 +0000 UTC]

Looks like Leader-One is about to die!

QUICK! Call the Machine Robo Rescue!

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