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Published: 2011-12-12 04:50:03 +0000 UTC; Views: 6488; Favourites: 590; Downloads: 26
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People go to countries and continents in need, helping the natives by bringing need food, water, nutrients, and medical attention. That's good. Hell, that's more than good. It's amazing that they're doing that. But then there are those who bring their religion with them like it's a designer purse that they need at all times, glued to their side. They'd rather die than be caught without it.I just think that's wrong. if you're going to go help someone in need, then do just that. Don't bring religion into it. Don't try to convert them and have an ulterior motive to your kindness. Go to their country, doing what you intended to do, give them support and help. But, please, don't do it with a plane ticket to another religion tied to the package.
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I help people because it's an annoying habit of mine. =_= I think I was infected by a Canadian stereo type.
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Pfft, I was just going to comment something like that. It's kind of habit of mine, probably for fear of no one else helping them.
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It's like I'm being possessed to do good!
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You're right... COSMIC PLOT! D:
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What's funny is Jesus warns against doing charity for the fame. He wants you to do it from your heart.
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Jesus also said not to idolized him, didn't he? I've seen plenty of statues of him at churches around here.
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True. It is sad when athiests and people of other religions know more about chrisitanity than the christians themselves.
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And then their re the people who only do it so they can have a good afterlife without actually caring about what they are doing.
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When I was still at school, in a lesson about 6 years ago, my RE teacher introduced me to an idea that some people have about charity work like this.
Apparently some Christians believe that these volunteers are not doing this "good deed" of their own free will, they do not choose to do it because they want to, but instead that they were doing God's work, whether or not they "knew it" or even believed that this was in fact what was happening. People that voluntarily do charity work, especially abroad, did it because God was making them do it. It really disgusted me! Of course not everyone believes the same thing, but this I thought was awful.
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dammn right. cause religion is contageouse in desperate situations.
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People who don't know what they're talking about really shouldn't say anything. ^^
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this statement pertains to?
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The creator of this stamp and those who agree with its message, really. It seems like they don't know the first thing about Christianity or any other religious group it refers to. That they probably look at those "holier than thou" types and just assume we're all like that. I mean, how many of these people have actually sat down and not only read the bible, but studied it, really studied its context? It's not about making yourself look good for God, it's about saving people through His grace.
I'm not trying to start anything here. I just felt the need to stand up and say something. These people are taking something beautiful and turning it around and making it look selfish and ugly. Thatβs just not right.
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this stamp is towards the people who only do it for religion, there are people in the world who do things only because they "wouldn't be a good *insert follower of their faith here* if they didn't", sort of like the people who use religion as a reason for not doing things, instead of the concept of right and wrong. to assume it goes for all christians is wrong, being it's a very broad topic.
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It could've been worded better. It's best to word things properly so that someone doesn't get the wrong message. It's up to the SPEAKER to be clear, not the listener
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People will get the message wrong if they seek to work it into their favor. It's a favorite tactic of debaters, misinterpret the message and work it against someone, destroying the whole argument. The message is as clear as it needs to be, it's the comments that throw everyone off.
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First of all, the guy's user name is GodIsFake.
Second of all, people are going to immediately see the stamp, not the description. The stamp says "Help others out of kindness, not religion." If religion helps you to be kind, what the hell is the problem? It's an expedient, yes, but if the person would've never ended up doing it in the first place had it not been for being exposed to religion, then that extra step being necessary is a bad thing how? Besides, practice makes perfect anyway. If you're not used to being nice normally, or aren't mentally geared towards being nice on average, and a discipline comes along to help change that, again, what's the problem?
Technically, there's ALWAYS an ulterior motive when it comes to helping others, TECHNICALLY.
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Username should never influence your opinion, doesn't matter what it is, it's irrelevant.
People do it so they look good, not because they are good, that's the entire issue. If some religious guy does it because he felt sorry for those in need, then that's great for him, but if he does it simply to get into (whatever he worships') good afterlife, then that's where the problem is.
As for the technicality, if you believe that, then you need to rethink everything. If I help someone, I'm rarely looking for something in return, unless it's related to large amounts of money ($100+), in which case it's common courtesy to repay in some shape or form.
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Oh yeah, such a username couldn't POSSIBLY give me a clue as to what this guy is about when he creates such a stamp as this. Irrelevant, yeah. Irrelevant my ass.
And I'm saying although that seems shitty, no one does anything solely for another's benefit. While you may not expect anything from them, you're doing it so that YOU feel good. I cannot remember a time I or anyone else just gave someone in need help when they needed it without doing it for my/their own benefit in some way later, that benefit being the joy of helping another or being able to bring up the fact that I/they do help others in need at times.
There's nothing to rethink. It's scientifically proven that no one goes out of their way to help another at a substantial cost to themselves without ANY sort of benefit. Why does it matter if someone helps you out of kindness anyway? What "relevance" does IT have over someone who's helping others to help themselves? Of course there's purity of heart there, but what good does that do for the provider? An ego boost? That's disgusting. Anything done for someone's ego is a bad thing. To look even better to the person being helped? That's a sustenance of self image to an external factor, because of course, that external factor is going to spread the news. Not necessarily worth my respect. Anything can, when being broken down to it's basic elements, be seen as something selfish and therefore not respectworthy.
So yeah, why even bother to demand more from a person than what he's already giving? He already gave, and you don't have to give back. And in the case of conversion, how hard is it to pretend to convert to get what you need and then ditch it when they're not around?
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I think you're just spouting misinformation for the sake of conversation. My advice, learn before you speak, it makes taking you seriously that much easier to do.
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Also, if I'm spouting misinformation so much, why don't you go bankrupt yourself to help a homeless person, and don't accept any form of help back if they should make it big and try to return the favor.
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LOL.... A rageblock. Looks like I win!
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Awwwweeee, poor baby mad cuz I blocked him back after blocking me. Some advice: When you block someone, you'll automatically block yourself from their page too. I just did you a favor and blocked you back, so even if you unblock me, you can't reply.
I always block people who block me, so don't feel so bad. It's nothing personal!
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Oh, also, I won't be checking this page anymore. I'm only here now after someone brought this up. I win, you lose. Miserably. Taa.
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Well, I've been following this little back and forth between you two for a while now and I gotta say, you're lookin' pretty butthurt, bro.
Is..there a reason you replied to your own replies instead of his?
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Me looking butthurt means failure to read properly. Especially since you're asking me why I replied to myself instead of him.
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Wow took you long enough. I see you visited my page then took some extra time to come up with this typical response.
You couldn't just type all of that in one response? You had to repeatedly return to the thread to add more of your tearful guffawing?
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The fuck are you talking about? You sure you got the right guy? I Only replied to you once, and didn't say anything else besides that. When someone brings up something OLD (and by old I mean ancient like this), I tend to investigate briefly before making a response.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I'll leave you to your shameless nuthugging.
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Dude, I have a subscription and a visitors box. Don't try to play dumb, I even have it screen capped in case you decided to deny it
And I'll leave you to your pitiful butthurt mongering.
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Screencap everything you want. I left one comment, here, on the helping others deviation, and nothing more - at least nothing I can remember anyway. Just like I was implying in my last response to you, trolling you faggots isn't something I prioritize, so excuse me if I take my sweet time replying to you. You should be lucky you're getting this one so quickly - I just so happen to be looking for something when oh, I have another message in my inbox. How sweet. I wonder who it could be :3
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Oh god, you call that trolling?
Oh dear :\ Stop by =TheRealDarkFox13 , he'll be able to show you what trolling actually is. All these wannabe trolls around, no wonder you got confused.
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Alright, break time between anime episodes, awesome.
Errrr, yeah, you sure you want to be doing "this" in public? Blowing a guy in front of others is usually looked down upon. But if you guys have a master/servant relationship going on, I suppose it best that you tell your "sensei" to quit with the harassment. Don't get me wrong, I'm flattered, but it makes him look more pathetic to be sicking his minions on me. I could use some amusement, but it's best that he save face, and NOT bring the entire coven out with him to face a single opponent he failed to defeat by himself.
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I just lol'd a little.
Oh some more lulz :,D
My sensei? His minions? Oh you poor clueless dolt. It's the other way around but I leave all that business to him now. Think of me as retired and him as the guy who replaced me.
That whole paragraph beautifully exemplified just how clueless you are X,D I knew you were new at this but damn, I didn't think you were *this* new.
Failed to defeat? Right right, even though you fell right into his ploy and gave him exactly the reaction he knew you'd have and then some.
I could copy-pasta our conversation if you don't believe me X3
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You're too stupid to be anyone BUT his minion. But sure, leave it to HIM, now that HE can't message me. :3
Oh, please do paste this conversation, that is so significant. I'm sure there's something in there that I don't already know about - *gasp*.... could he be trying to waste my time by sounding sincere enough to warrant a conversation only to have me type a wall of text that he'll just ignore and keep on trying to get more? Oh no, please tell me he's not doing that! That would be SO dreadful! The thought never crossed my mind
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UR STOOPID
Yeah yeah yeah, I've heard that one before and each time from somebody with no valid argument or point..so they must resort to petty name calling.
This is really just making this all the more hilarious to me though because of the history he and I have. Go on, please, keep making butthurt jabs. I wanna see how far down you can dig yourself before you get to see the forest through the trees.
Your asspain is noted 
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I already have. Except for helping a homeless man, I helped a 26 year old Marine and his family make rent and pay some bills using money I got from an inheritance. I didn't expect anything back, I was just helping them make it. And as I said to you, next time, make sure you have your information correct, before you start spouting off misinformation. There are people out there that help for the sake of helping, whether you wish to believe it or not.
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And now you're lying. You haven't bankrupt yourself helping someone else. You wouldn't even be here talking to me on a COMPUTER over the INTERNET if you did.
The only way to help someone being completely pure of heart is to actively search out someone in need of help, give them a substantial amount of monetary funds or resources, the entire time your mind being a complete and utter blank, and walk away without expecting anything, not even a thanks from them, and forgetting the entire thing even happened moments afterwards. Your mind being completely and utterly blank assures that you're doing things automatically without thinking or wanting anything. You forgetting the entire situation afterwards ensures that you don't get any satisfaction from the deed, nor can you bring it up as reassuring yourself later on.
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Stop thinking for a minute, your stupid is showing. I have gone bankrupt, I have no money, I'm current using internet and electricity that a friend allowed me to use, as they were willing to help after I ran out of money and could no longer support myself. This again, people helping simply because they could, not because they felt a need to help, and they did it not to help themselves in any way.
That entire second paragraph, you're basically telling me people help others for the sake of helping them which means you completely agree with me, which makes no sense to argue. Anything else or you wanna start being hypocritical now too?
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You're either a liar, or a fucking good for nothing sponge taking advantage of idiots who think they don't have a choice in dealing with one. I'll go with liar.
The second paragraph is explaining the only way for a person to help someone without any kind of satisfaction from doing so, which would be the only way to help someone without fulfilling a desire on your own part. And if you were paying attention, or reading for that matter, you'd notice that that hypothetical situation is utterly impossible. Humans aren't robots, they can't help something at all without getting satisfaction of some kind.
You're an idiot who can't comprehend. And that's why I can't get through to you. So be happy, you don't have to see me argue with you any more after this.
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So now that facts are against you, you claim me to be a liar then you insult me. No need to get mad, all I ask you, is next time, do your research, and then you'll have an argument to run with.
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I'll give you one thing, you're consistent. "Facts"... lol. You can't prove to me that any of that stuff happened, so they're not facts.
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You can't prove you've got facts, so as far as anyone's concerned, I have more evidence than you that people help without expecting people to help them. Another prime example is handling art theft, I help others with their issues but I never expect them to repay me or help me back in any way. Therefor proving I've got more facts backing me, and you have nothing. So, anything more, or you just wanna continue calling me names with nothing backing your claims?
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Why do you help out with "handling" art theft? Because you don't like seeing people suffer having their art stolen right? It satisfies you to see their case get solved successfully right? One could say that you help others with their art theft problems for the joy of stopping an art thief and bringing closure to their problems. One could also say that you get a feeling of authority going to some thieve's page and ordering them to take down the stolen artwork or face the consequences of being reported and blacklisted. It's the ultimate form of cowardly trolling - trolling that the admins/moderators "support", because you get to be an asshole to someone and they can't do anything about it because they're in violation. Yeah. You don't need the people you help to do anything for you, all they do is give you the opportunity to do something you enjoy, and you get your yayas from doing that rather than compensation directly from the person in need. Yeah, I'd still say that's selfish.
There's a selfish desire in everyone at a very basic level when you do anything.
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As I said, I do it because I can. It has nothing to do with not liking people suffer, I couldn't care whether or not they suffered, I do it because I can. There's no authority feeling to be had, there's no point because I'm pissing people off. I just do it.
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Okay, let's play it your way then.
You do it because you can? So basically, because you have that ability, you exercise it. You get fulfillment in exercising your ability to do the things that you can do. So when someone needs help, you get fulfilled in exercising your ability to help them. Now remove the rest of the sentence that isn't underlined to get to reveal who you're really doing it for. I.E. ---> Selfish.
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