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Even *she* couldn't prove what her name is.

Can you prove what your own name is? It's only what you and those around you believe it is, after all. Understanding our world often means adopting a belief in the absence of proof, and right now, *she* needs you to believe in her name!
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smashbrawlguy In reply to ??? [2011-11-05 18:22:22 +0000 UTC]

We the fans breathe life into the background ponies. Hasbro might own them, and Studio B might animate them, but ultimately we're the ones who "create" them. It saddens me to see people throw away their beliefs just because of a legal technicality. To me, the green background pony with the lyre cutie mark is, and always will be, Lyra. Lyra Heartstrings perhaps, but always Lyra.

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coolbigsis In reply to ??? [2011-11-05 16:12:05 +0000 UTC]

LYRA WILL ALWAYS BE LYRA

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BronyForever In reply to ??? [2011-11-05 10:59:28 +0000 UTC]

Banhammer bag holy shit x)

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GSphere In reply to BronyForever [2011-11-07 15:21:37 +0000 UTC]

MMMMmmmmmmmm

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Aquarior In reply to ??? [2011-11-05 10:40:16 +0000 UTC]




I stick with Lyra. Or Lyra Heartstring for that matter. Although I find "Heartstring" a bit too kitsch

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sodomitor In reply to Aquarior [2011-11-05 11:04:58 +0000 UTC]

So you're a mmm byetch that likes mmm banhammers?

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Aquarior In reply to sodomitor [2011-11-05 11:24:48 +0000 UTC]

*lol* I did not know that video before

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TriMara In reply to ??? [2011-11-05 06:44:28 +0000 UTC]

I always imagined it as Lyra heartsring

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guilmon2712 In reply to ??? [2011-11-05 06:14:17 +0000 UTC]

o yeah

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Scavgraphics In reply to ??? [2011-11-05 05:12:15 +0000 UTC]

Poor Lyra

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MouseyArtist In reply to ??? [2011-11-05 04:41:03 +0000 UTC]

lol.

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L4m3ness In reply to ??? [2011-11-05 04:12:56 +0000 UTC]

well drawn, nice idea - good job

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GSphere In reply to L4m3ness [2011-11-07 15:25:41 +0000 UTC]

Thanks!

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Vuldari In reply to ??? [2011-11-05 03:12:55 +0000 UTC]

Hasbro can not ever sell the toys by the names the fans gave them, because then they could get into legal trouble if whomever first came up with the name decides to try to get money out of it.

Thus, every time we name a pony, we are making sure that pony can never be mentioned by that name in an official capacity ... EVER.

Just keep calling her Lyra, regardless of what Hasbros lawyers force them to put on the packaging instead.

... we all know who she is ...

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metaXzero In reply to Vuldari [2011-11-06 02:49:55 +0000 UTC]

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An entire page of fanon becoming canon. Sometimes by coicedence, sometimes by directly taking it from the fans. And even Hasbro has some examples in their for Transformers. Plus, their is the case of Derpy Hooves and DJ-Pon3 (who in the latter's case has been in TWO commercials for the show).

Though really, the Hasbro toy department has almost no communication with Studio B. They just do their own thing. Hence things like the Pinklestia, the horrible baby Pinkie Pie, Applejack's truck, Pinkie Pie's car, and Luna being the size of a regular pony.

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TimeTravelingEchidna In reply to Vuldari [2011-11-06 00:17:09 +0000 UTC]

Not really. Considering the names are so widely used, they'd never be able to be sued.

HOWEVER. Because the names are so widely used, they can't exactly trademark them, thus leading to the problem.

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guerreroperdido In reply to ??? [2011-11-05 02:28:43 +0000 UTC]

Don't see a problem. These names aren't terrible, people. Is it really that big of a deal?

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metaXzero In reply to guerreroperdido [2011-11-06 02:44:28 +0000 UTC]

The problem comes from a combination of.

1. The fandom having almost a year to get used to the fandom names.
2. The pony toy that resembles Lyra being very questionable as an official name for her (ponies can have identical cutie marks and Heartstrings according to her art is just a Twilight Sparkle recolor who's eye color is a bit different from Lyra's).
3. Places like the MLP Wikia whom are quick to jump on anything they can claim as canon (no matter how questionable) and silence any mention of fanon (including being banhappy) all while taking a rude tone with those whom they disagree with.

If these names had came out while Lyra was still just a thrown around name or the toy art at the very least left no question that it was Lyra or people who accept Heartstrings weren't so quick to be stuck up and arrogant, the outrage wouldn't be where it is now.

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Legit101 In reply to ??? [2011-11-05 02:06:54 +0000 UTC]

Admin y u such a fag?

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Fadflamer In reply to ??? [2011-11-05 01:34:55 +0000 UTC]

Hasbro is and forever will be one of Trollestia's puppets.

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fristdynamo2 In reply to ??? [2011-11-05 01:29:36 +0000 UTC]

the wiki itself doesn't reflect their claims and the logic behind their justification for the sudden name changes is pretty flawed. i'll probably write something for them later

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GSphere In reply to fristdynamo2 [2011-11-07 15:27:12 +0000 UTC]

Applebeans, you havent drawn Lyra yet. I think that you could make a really cute picture of Heartstrings that would be adored by everyone and settle this debate at last

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fristdynamo2 In reply to GSphere [2011-11-07 15:46:18 +0000 UTC]

I was going to do an animation with lyra and bob bon actually ! i was just working on a scootaloo comic a bit ago and my wips are like in the double digits right now. i've got a good bit of free time so ill get on that then.

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LadyM In reply to ??? [2011-11-05 01:16:27 +0000 UTC]

Ha ha ha, Trollestia strikes again!

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DAZKO In reply to ??? [2011-11-05 01:07:32 +0000 UTC]

i love the arguments these canon names produce

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Jrakob In reply to ??? [2011-11-05 01:01:48 +0000 UTC]

yeah well I dont mind, at least I can still call her whatever I want. Wiki changes nothing for me lol.
oh yeah and nice comic, I laughed reading it.

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GSphere In reply to Jrakob [2011-11-07 15:27:34 +0000 UTC]

Great to hear!

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chibi95 In reply to ??? [2011-11-05 00:57:33 +0000 UTC]

i just saw that
i thought something was wrong

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BlackSwanized In reply to ??? [2011-11-05 00:55:51 +0000 UTC]

Funny how people freak out so much over some random recolors of the mane six... Even if they have the same cutie marks, you can't call them canon.

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BlackSwanized In reply to BlackSwanized [2011-11-05 00:57:33 +0000 UTC]

Oops, meant to say 'Even if they have the same cutie marks, you can't call heartstrings canon'

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Sandwich-Anomaly In reply to ??? [2011-11-05 00:28:35 +0000 UTC]

thats a lot of hammers...

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gimpcowking In reply to ??? [2011-11-05 00:28:23 +0000 UTC]

Totally awesome

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GSphere In reply to gimpcowking [2011-11-07 15:27:45 +0000 UTC]

Thanks!

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asemd7 In reply to ??? [2011-11-05 00:27:53 +0000 UTC]

Don't see why everyone is so pissed at the wiki. They have an entirely separate one for Fanon, and even a link to the Fanon "Lyra" page on their Heartstrings page.

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And a Fanon wiki is really the best place to keep the "Lyra" name at this point.

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Z-ROller In reply to asemd7 [2011-11-06 00:03:00 +0000 UTC]

They could at least put "Lyra/Heartstrings" :/

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asemd7 In reply to Z-ROller [2011-11-06 00:13:51 +0000 UTC]

And muddle up their policy?

They've been using fanon names as placeholders, and now they have a more official name to use for now.

So why do they have to keep a placeholder?

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Z-ROller In reply to asemd7 [2011-11-06 00:26:41 +0000 UTC]

I suppose you have a point.
I just thought the wiki concerned only the show, and didn't use the toys as primary sources. Especially considering all of the inconsistencies between the show and toys, like Applejack's truck and Celestia's extremely dark coloring.

If anything, I would just put Lyra/Heartstrings to shut everyone up.

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asemd7 In reply to Z-ROller [2011-11-06 01:28:05 +0000 UTC]

But doing something to shut people up goes against their principals!

Anyhow they seem to use the toys as a secondary source, not a primary one. The name they're using is the logical choice if they're trying to avoid using fanon whenever possible.

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SpikelyWhiplash In reply to ??? [2011-11-05 00:01:47 +0000 UTC]

Do you like, mmm, banhammers?

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saywordoka In reply to SpikelyWhiplash [2011-11-07 07:21:23 +0000 UTC]

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Richer!

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SpikelyWhiplash In reply to saywordoka [2011-11-07 23:17:15 +0000 UTC]



No.

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stevethepocket In reply to SpikelyWhiplash [2011-11-05 14:43:36 +0000 UTC]

*slow clap*

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scrumpmonkey In reply to stevethepocket [2011-11-06 00:05:31 +0000 UTC]

So you don't like Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm-banhammers?

So let me get this straight...

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Schniedragon88 In reply to scrumpmonkey [2011-11-06 00:31:19 +0000 UTC]

WELL I KNOW WHERE YOU WON'T FIND ANY BANHAMMERS!!!

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lowpolyseagull In reply to Schniedragon88 [2011-11-06 19:15:52 +0000 UTC]

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lowpolyseagull In reply to lowpolyseagull [2011-11-07 02:03:31 +0000 UTC]

Whoops doublepost

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lowpolyseagull In reply to Schniedragon88 [2011-11-06 19:15:10 +0000 UTC]

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danielHNova In reply to ??? [2011-11-04 23:55:27 +0000 UTC]

Lyra Heartstrings? maybe? now everyone's happy

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DiceMasterOM3G4 In reply to danielHNova [2011-11-06 00:05:10 +0000 UTC]

That's what I was thinking too, it solves the problem pretty well, and it's not to shabby a name

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SCARY-WIZARD In reply to danielHNova [2011-11-05 00:00:49 +0000 UTC]

I like that. It could also be a nickname, or something.

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