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HarmonicSonic β It doesn't take a PhD
Published: 2011-02-04 21:11:04 +0000 UTC; Views: 7406; Favourites: 881; Downloads: 42
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One of my main purposes of making this was to try out my new stamp template . All things considered, I believe things worked out pretty well.As for the stamp - I'll admit that people can get a little picky when it comes to spelling. Normally, I don't make a big deal about it, but there are exceptions to that rule. The biggest one is in making stamps. If you're trying to get an important message across in your stamp, people are far less likely to take your point seriously if every other word is spelled incorrectly. It may not be fair or right, but it is a fact that cannot be avoided. (The same thing can be said about grammar; I have a similar stamp about that.)
I realize that for some people, English is not your first language. But the fact that you are here on DeviantArt posting in English, interacting in English, and commenting in English reveals that you have some knowledge of the English language, or at the very least - access to an English translator.
For those of you who do speak English as your primary language, remember what I've said. Of course, you aren't under any obligation to exercise proper spelling/grammar. But you will go much further if you do. If you're going to take all that time to make a stamp, take the extra two seconds to type the word into your word processor or Firefox to check the spelling.
Edit: I thought this stamp turned out very good, but I have to admit I had no idea it would become so popular. I really don't know how that happened, but thank you to everyone who has faved or commented.
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another thing is how hard it can be for all us in the world who doesn't have english as our first language to read and understand when the spelling is too incorrect. when people write lyke instead of like, i read lykke which is happiness. that or dyke <.< and when words or parts of words are written with numbers, it takes some extra moments to understand. when people write be4 or h8er in their sentences i stop reading because it does take me twice as long to read and understand it. for me they say bee feereh and hotter.
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Flere folk har sagt det nΓ₯. Jeg hadde ikke tenkt pΓ₯ det fΓΈr, men det er en annen god grunn til Γ₯ stave riktig. Takk.
Several people have said that now. I hadn't thought of it before, but that is another good reason to spell correctly. Thank you.
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No, it doesn't take a PhD, it takes spell-check.
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Oh man, I haven't abused the English language in...well over a year, when I first got my laptop and was still struggling to type fast enough to keep up with the Internet. Of course, I still use the occasional btw, wtf, and omg when the situation allows and I'm not patient enough to type it out, and sometimes I use "Pixelish," my own messed-up version of English, but usually I'm a good, grammatically correct person.
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Well, it's like I said - conversation and chat is one thing. Formal works are something else.
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My biggest pet peeve when it comes to grammar/spelling is the individuals who refuse to even try because "it's the internet." Usually, if you spend a lot of time using chat speak (whether it be through texting, instant messaging on the computer, or here on dA), it's going to bleed into your proper writing. Making an effort to type correctly reinforces good spelling habits outside of the internet.
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That's a good point. Thank you.
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thats right kids, correct spelling makes people take you more seriously.
*high fives with a million angels*
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Lyke txt tlk bugz me 2 no end!
Unless its a instant messenger or texting on the phone there is no reason to be lazy.
You have time to spell out your words and a few 'speling' are fine.
But when you make a comic or a stamp spell check first!
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Exactly. Thanks
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Oh and I wish there was a edit button on this. XD
Forgot to say, love the stamp and sorry I went on a mini rant!
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I hate people who are terrible at spelling and were born in the US. It ticks me off.
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I agree wholeheartedly. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out how to spell a word, and it doesn't require any additional effort! You are already typing, take the extra couple of seconds to do it correctly.
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English is not my first language, even so usually I dont have much trouble to talk to people using it, but i hate writing with it. I change the order of the letters a lot, like : night, Knight, thought(this one and it similars are my enemies),amongst, known...
I often get confused with too much consonants in the same word,
em portuguΓͺs, agente prefere vogais
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InglΓͺs tem algumas maneiras estranhas com as palavras. Eu posso ver como isso seria difΓcil para alguΓ©m que normalmente nΓ£o falam InglΓͺs.
English does have some strange ways with words. I can see how that would be difficult for someone who doesn't normally speak English.
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thank you thank you THANK YOU. So irritating. I realize that I'm terrible at spelling, but to not check before creating text or a stamp or something, or being intentionally wrong is just frustrating. I had a friend who did that all the time-- she'd email in "txt" format, (wut time do u want 2 get tgthr? etc) and she was a freakin' doctor!
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Spelling is only colloquially relevant. To assert that spelling is meaningful you have to make some unfair assumptions about the nature of written language.
It happens to be the case that English has been monumentally inconsistent when it comes to spelling. It varies based on region, culture and even historically...
You'll have to be more explicit or convincing that "spelling" is really all that important or that there are particular examples you're attacking which may be more appropriate than such a general blanket statement.
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I'm thinking that they're referring to the kids who can't be bothered to learn their own language versus people with legitimate regional and/or cultural barriers.
A written language does need some form of consistency, if not it wouldn't be an efficient form of communication. I do understand that the English language has changed a lot over time, but there were still always expectations regarding the way it was written. If everyone spelled every word how they wanted it, no one would know what it really was, especially if there was no specification on how the word was supposed to be spelled. A legitimate spelling variation such as "colour" versus "color" shouldn't be compared to "like" versus "lyk" or "school" versus "skul".
Proper spelling is important if one wants to be taken seriously. The individual didn't create the language, so they must go by its rules or else it's incorrect. Not putting in the effort to spell correctly when writing seriously (especially when you can so easily spell check your documents or have someone else who is more skilled in the area look it over) gives off a strong impression of laziness. Especially on the Internet where you're perceived by your words.
A few typos here and there are understandable, and misspellings in casual conversation where it really doesn't matter aren't a big deal. People also tend to be very lenient when it comes to those who don't have English as their first language. But it's ridiculous when people think they're being victimized if others don't take them seriously when they present a serious work or viewpoint that's littered with misspellings, especially when English is their first language and they're not even putting in an effort to polish their work.
Since I'm not the maker of this stamp I can't be one-hundred-percent certain that this is what they're referring to exactly, but this is strongly how I perceive their message.
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LOL!
Well, try not to misunderstand my comment as hostile. It seemed to me that something said regarding this work and the attention it's getting was wrong. To see that and be interested in what I found a problem without commenting would be a way of showing that I don't wish to engage you or the topic... that wouldn't be very cool of me.
To say that what I said implies that there are only subjective rules of spelling is a fallacy. It might be better to say that I agree with the person who sprang to your defense (Nnela). What seems to be said is that people definitely think they should be taken seriously, but when they don't make the effort to be clearly understood it's hard to relate and easy to dismiss.
I definitely think the stamp can reflect the mentality that a person should be willing to put in the effort to be clear and concise if the communication they're involved in is one where the details may indeed prove important. It seems like a sliding scale in that way which puts dA posts somewhere between a kid scribbling a note to his friends and an adult presenting an academic or professional text.
Being critical of something like spelling or grammar requires precise language too... or it just seems cruel. To point at a language and insist that it's speakers live up to some expectation seems to require some specific guidelines or else we're only asserting that we're mad people don't talk like we do or write as we'd like... that can't be right.
I expect people who appreciate the propriety of language to treat it appropriately and realize that to assert any kind of linguistic standard one must take care to be either inclusive of all the outliers or to expect that a potentially large number of others might find legitimate ways to challenge your assertion... potentially having been offended by them.
not everyone is entitled to the privilege of education and many people are totally outside of the ability to even use the Internet, let alone dA. So, I guess I'm saying that you are evidently free to say on, but the audience you're being critical of seems to be far less general than you may have supposed through the language you initially used to introduce this stamp.
There's no problem, per se. I just don't think it's okay to make big claims that alienate others without first making sure that the terms are clear and it's evident that the circumstances aren't just inclusive of every person from every time who writes in English.
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That's generally the point I was making, yes. Thank you.
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Colloquialism is one thing, but there is still a worldwide standard. Most English words are spelled the same way regardless of location. The words that differ between the U.S. and the U.K. ("color" vs. "colour", et al) still generally have standard spellings, even if it is not the same standard worldwide. Additionally, there are plenty of free dictionaries available online for people who are not sure what is acceptable and what is not. There is a big difference between using dialect of a region or culture and just being too lazy to look it up.
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I guess I just fundamentally disagree. You're assuming a worldwide standard? What standard? Who's standard?
That we commonly agree on "spelling" only seems timely. I mean, even English had to become English through other languages. Pointing at our language like it has a standard merely because we seem to agree that there's some common usage doesn't seem sufficient to act like everyone's responsible to agree... if that's what you're on about; I guess we're all supposed to accept the "standard" English spoken? How does it change then?
Are you trying to cite the institutions that standardize our language? how many people know that they even exist? who are they, do you know? What exactly makes a spelling standard?
I don't think this is such a clear issue, honestly. If the education standard was sufficient that we could uniformly adapt a total understanding of proper English, then I'd accept your argument and complaint, but it happens to be the case that we use slang that's not official regularly, we assume acronyms as functional words normally, we misspell things to serve a legitimate purpose frequently...
Listen, to say that people should make the effort to spell correctly is one thing... to say that we have a universal agreement about what that means is a misunderstanding unless you can show me how I'm wrong.
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To say that we have a universal agreement about what that means is a misunderstanding
The alternative is that the proper/improper spelling of any word is completely subjective, in which case there would be no such thing as misspelling.
But that's straying from the point. The stamp says that spelling is not just for the elite. If you disagree, then don't fave the stamp and have a nice day. I fail to see the problem here.
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Interesting debate, I thought he was a little wordy! That and he did stray from the point in the debate. I do agree with this stamp, I don't see what is the issue with spelling/using correct gramar/punctuation properly if it's your first language and you did have a proper English education.
I think there are illiterate people out there who have access to the computer in the library, but I think if people had an education, or even free education it's really no excuse to butcher the language if they know "like" Is spelled the way it is.
If people continue spelling this "dis" without being able to migrate to spelling correctly when it's needed (when they know it's spelled that way) it eventually becomes forgotten, and their literate skills go out the window if they fail to use appropriate spelling when it's needed. I've already heard of it sneaking into college essays, and that's already a bad sign.
There's a time and place for butchered language for fun and jokes, but trying to get a message across can be a surefire way to not be taken seriously, weather you strongly disagree or not. People understand if it's not your second language, but just look at all the non-native speakers who said spelling improperly makes it HARDER for them to learn English!
That's a sign right there. :V
Sorry for the Tl;dr myself just wanted to say I feel the same way!
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I did actually read this all, by the way 
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Oh, did I talk too much myself? I'd like to know if that is so.
Yeah, I think the whole Grammar Nazi crazy is a bit overrated. I mean unintentional errors are okay!
I do agree with that.
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Oh I knew that, I just was worried that I talked too much. X3
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English is not my first language but surprisingly spelling isn't so damn hard to do right. (I mean it only takes memory... and practice, right?) If I screw something up that's usually the order of words or I simply use the wrong word.
Fun fact: if you misspell things, there's more of a chance that I won't understand it.
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Oh, I agree. It's so hard to take someone older than a first grader seriously if they type like a first grader.
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I totally agree. I mean, I'm kind of really bad at spelling some things but at least I don't use numbers and type things like, "lyk".
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I agree, though most days my spelling is atrocious
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dude, English freaks FTW. hee hee
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On the other hand, proper spelling helps those here who are not english mother-tongues. It makes it a lot easier to look the words I don't understand up and it often takes twice as much time to understand a sentence when you first have to find out if you just don't know the vocabulary or if it is simply misspelled.
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Ich hatte nicht einmal daran gedacht. Das ist ein sehr guter Punkt.
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I can't spell misspell...D:
But seriously, there are some words in English I find hard. I write eachother and alright XD I don't know how it came that way, maybe because I usually learn English outside the classroom (on the internet for example) and therefore also take over American and slang language. Technically I should be able to write a formal letter etc, because I learned in class, but I still have to look it up XD
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Ik zie. Het internet is waarschijnlijk niet de beste plek om Engels te leren. Het is geen slechte plek om te beginnen, zolang je weet dat er veel jargon. Maar je Engels ziet er goed uit, ondanks al die factoren.
I see. The internet probably isn't the best place to learn English. It's not a bad place to start, as long as you know that there is so much slang on it. But your English looks pretty good despite all that.
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Hahaha, I had no idea you could speak Dutch! 
Well I have had classes since I was 13, but I tend to forget a lot again, considering I never ever have to use English, only I read books in English for my school.
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I'm not Dutch. 
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