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Elsa: "Issue the first: Not excecuting a lying, mass-murdering very active menace to my people when you had the oppertunity."(in case this is one of those things where the concept is obvious to me but only because the idea came out of my head, the idea for this comic is that Elsa was the rightful ruler of the Enchanted Forest, but she was kinapped at some point and presumed dead and replaced by the next in line... but since she's not actually dead the throne is still technically hers.)
The point in time when I've been most dissappointed in Snow is probably the time when she let Regina go instead of letting her be excecuted. The woman wasn't even trying to express so much as fake regret for anything she'd done (not that it would have mattered if she had. The apologies and begging for forgiveness of someone on death row that had to be dragged into facing the punishment their crimes aren't worth much imo) and stated that she only wished she could do MORE damage. And then Snow promptly lets her go, even though she knows the spells keeping her from using her magic were temporary. I wonder why any of the Enchanted Foresters still listen to anything Snow has to say (at least concerning Regina)... especially after Gigi promptly went about casting the Curse.
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Thank you! I found someone else who thinks Snow was stupid to let Regina go before the execution (and she was stupid plenty of other times too) and that Regina is a vicious murderer who the show wants you to feel sorry for. They try to make you think she's so sad and hurt inside, but I don't care. I think she's a sociopath.
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I KNOOOOOOW! They keep showing things to show us how much pain Regina is in... but I DON'T CARE. I can't feel sorry for someone who constantly heaps all kinds of abuse on people... especially the ones who care about her and try to help her be happy. She has done way WAY worse to EVERYBODY than what her suppsed "arch enemy" did to her, and she's not even sorry for it.
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First of all I don't think it makes any sense that Regina would target Snow White for so long after she made a mistake as a little girl. Why wasn't it Cora she blamed for Daniel's death? She was the one who killed him. I find it strange how Regina thinks she can still become a "hero." At this point after all the people she's killed and hurt, it is too late for redemption. And in season four she will probably hurt people again because she's upset about Robin Hood, and shell think she has the right to because she's been hurt again. Oh well!
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Of course it doesn't make sense. It also doesn't make sense that she expects to still be loved by the people after she has them mass-murdered because they won't buy her frame job of Snow and give her up. Regina is just completely insane and needs to be put down.
I will be monumentally upset if Regina gets away with so much as being RUDE to people because of losing Robin. I don't care if Emma had brought back Marion knowing who she was, she didn't do anything wrong and shouldnt be treated like she did.
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Emma did the right thing rescuing a woman who Regina was going to murder. I'm just worried the characters will have a conversation like this next season... Mary Margaret: "Poor Regina. And she was getting better." Charming: " It really is a shame." Emma: "If only I'd known...I thought I was doing the right thing...but I guess I wasn't." I can especially predict this because in the finale Hook kept suggesting Emma leave Marion, saying it wasn't meant to be for Marion to be brought to Storybrooke and it would change everything. The writers already want you to think that Emma made a mistake, but I don't think it was one at all.
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Especially since she could get away with it without ruining time.
UUUUUUGH. no. That would not be ok. THAT WOULD NOT BE OK. Emma didn't make a mistake. Regina is a mistake. Not Marion.
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I agree so much. Haha Regina's whole existence is a mistake.
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If I hadn't disliked Zelena so much I would have probably been rooting for her.
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Yeah I didn't like either of them, because Zelena killed Neil and she was beginning to stress me out a lot towards the end. But I guess if you had to pick the less of the two evils, I would probably root for her against Regina.
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From what we've seen Zelena seems to be the lesser of the two evils. But wasn't the point of all the bad stuff she did so she could go back in time and take Regina's place as the Evil Queen?
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That's true. But I don't think her plan would've worked anyway because she couldn't have done anything about Cora letting her go as a baby. She would just be a little baby! Lol
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Well... apparently when you go back you go back as yourself. Or else Emma would have been an... egg... cell... thing.
I think her intention was to kill Eva, actually. And/or possibly the gardener. BUT even if she had done that... they have ways of magically testing the parantage of a person... and if anybody questioned it for any reason, or if it was custom to test a royal child's parentage (just to make absolutely sure nobody's being sneaky), all they had to do was summon someone who could do that and BAM! Cora's lie about Zelena being Leopold's kid would be discovered and they'd probably both promptly be kicked out if not killed. I doubt that there was any way that Zelena could have had what she wanted unless she got some barran royal to adopt her because she simply wasn't (legally) a royal-born child. She was the bastard child of the palace gardener (not that that's her fault, but it's the truth...).
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Yeah I don't think Zelena would've gotten her wish either, unless she was adopted by another royal. And then she still wouldn't have Regina's life, which was the one she wanted.
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Yeah... her whole plan was stupid.
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Yeah it kind of was, lol. I'm curious because this always bothered me, did it bother you that Snow White became depressed after she killed Corra? I mean, gosh, who cares! She killed Snow's mom, her servant and friend, and also was the reason for Regina targeting Snow all those years. Plus she was going to kill Snow and the heroes. So why was it such a problem? Ugh!
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Oh TOTALLY. I mean, I can get that she would feel bad about it... because killing people is something somenody shouldn't have to do... but Cora had done a lot of horrible stuff in the past, AND was actively trying to kill them all off in the present. But instead of REGINA getting the hint that "this is what being bad gets you... you wind up turning overly merciful people into killers", she turns around and starts raving about killing her all the more! NO. Snow should not have gotten any flack for killing Cora.
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Yeah Regina, once again, thought of herself as a victim, that Snow had done her wrong again. She should have realized Snow felt regret when she came over and asked for her to kill her, and understood and forgiven her (because let's just admit it, Corra wasn't a loving mother to Regina anyway, so she should've gotten over it quickly). How did Regina react? By laughing, almost killing Snow, and then trying to bother her more by showing her her "blackened" heart. I bet Regina doesn't even know her heart is blacker than that, because again, she is the victim. (Did you see how sociopathic Regina was when Corra killed Snow's servant? She didn't even look sad. All she cared about was how she found out her mother brought her to Snow on purpose when she was young.) I don't care she's trying to be "better" now in season three (up until Marion was brought back). She's always been a delusional sociopath. Regina, a mass murderer who doesn't care about the trouble she's caused shouldn't have a redemption story. Jean Valjean from the musical version of "Les Miserables" ( I haven't read the book, so I can't reference that), a man who stole a loaf of bread to save a family member from starving, and went to jail for many years, and then stole again to save his own life, that's another story. No one got hurt, therefore he gets to be redeemed. That makes sense - but not Regina.
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It isn't in her nature to forgive anything that is done to her. Not even accidents. Especially not accidents. If any infractions against her occur they must be punished to the maximum levels. Especially if they're accidents.
Regina herself tried to kill Cora at least twice. Once back in a flashback via Hook. And then more recently in Storybrooke at the well. I seriously wonder if Regina had that "curse of the empty hearted" cast on her at some point in her life that makes her "fall in love" with her mother whenever she's near, because she forgave her mother way too easily for... for... EVERYTHING.
Regina. Is. Such. A. Freaking. Hypocrite. When it comes to blackened hearts. Like... She stood there and acknowledged that the heart had been pure up till this point and then started laughing about how she was now going to turn as dark as she was because of it. So she's been attacking someone she knows would have felt horrible about doing anything wrong to her. But then Cora, who had a black heart (even if it wasn't inside her), was forgiven very easily even though she didn't feel a twinge of real guilt over anything she'd done in the past. Regina doesn't care about what color people's hearts are, she was just jabbing at Snow because she hated her and knew it would hurt her. Same with Tinkerbell when she handed her heart over to her in Neverland. That was purely because she knew deep inside that Tinkerbell wouldn't squish her heart because she wanted to be good.
I was SO wanting someone to turn that phrase Regina used kind of against her... but reversed of course. "You see what being BAD gets you?" But nobody did. Instead, Regina used the reworded phrase on Snow AGAIN after Snow killed Cora in defence of herself and her family. I was very upset about that.
I think having that dude go to prison for many years for stealing one loaf of bread was stupid and unfair. It sounds like a sentance Regina would pass.
Rumple is a character that I can see having a redemption story. Even though he has a curse in him that really helps him to be bad he's not such a loose cannon as Regina is (at least not now... he seemed like a loose cannon when he was first cursed)... and with his backstory I can more easily see why he doesn't care about anybody (if the world treated me horribly because my father was a coward, and then treated me worse because I didn't want to be senselessly killed in a war I wasn't suited for, and then only started being nice to me when I got magic that let me grant wishes, I wouldn't really be fond of people either... And I'm not even totally sure that he actively punishes people [at least not all the time] when they don't follow through on their deals, either) Regina doesn't have that excuse... she's had TONS of people caring about her and trying to help her out, and she treats them all like trash.
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Regina is a huge hypocrite, and I don't think she sees it. I think she's scatterbrained or something because she's always changing her mind, like about her mother. It's one thing if she wants her mother's love but if she realizes she never got it, she shouldn't have cared so much after she died. I always felt more sorry for Rumple than Regina (even though I know some people who don't). He had real reasons to turn bad, the most important being that he is cursed to be "the dark one," which pretty much turns him bad. Plus he was treated so horribly by the townspeople (everyone hated him) and he was worried his son would die in the war. But yeah, he has done very evil things too. I still prefer him to Regina and I agree that people treat Regina better than she deserves.
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Yeah... Her mother ripped her own heart out, too. It's not like Cora's heartlessness is anyone's fault but Cora's. Cora decided to live a life without being able to love [properly], even after she had a daughter. (she was pretty heartless even before that... to abandon Zelena in the woods like that. She should have at least put her on someone's doorstep!)
I don't get how people can care about Regina but not Rumple. Not that I think Rumple is a saint or anything... He just seems more redeemable than Regina.
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Cora always seemed bad and power hungry to begin with, but things got worse when she gave up her heart. I prefer Rumple to both her and Regina.
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True true. Me, too.
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Decapitate the Evil Queen and put her decapitated head on an ice spike? Yes she did. I hope it happens in the show.
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You want Elsa in that show? To do that violent thing? xD
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I want SOMEBODY to do it!
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Perhaps you should contact the writers?
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Possibly. I am not sure if it will do any good or not... But then maybe I'm being too pessimistic
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Sometimes I think I overreact as well. Take a few deep breaths... then you can go beat it up.
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lol Right.
What I meant was I am not sure how much my one letter will go to actually changing their minds about something. But then again maybe it WOULD help.
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YEEEES!!! PLEASE let this happen!
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Of course, if she put Regina's head on a spike, the show would make her out to be evil since Snow is the perfectly moral person whose actions, or lack of action, has caused hundreds of deaths. (What I find really stupid is the only guilt Snow has is that she killed Cora. She doesn't seem to care that she's indirectly responsible for what Regina's been doing.)
Me? I'll stick with The Clone Wars where killing an evil dude in cold blood is considered standard operating procedure for some. (Pretty bad when a "kids" show has more sensible morals than a show geared toward adults.) Even Green Lantern TAS didn't consider assassination type killings wrong.
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Most likely. *siiiiiiigh* What I really really want is for them to point out how all of Regina's "redeption" attempts were totally and completely bogus and that she's just a lost cause, no matter how bad you feel about it. Show that Snow's decision (to spare her) was not perfectly moral, but a lapse in judgment due to her being stockholme syndromed the life out of by Regina her whole life since the age of 7 (or however old she was when she met her). SERIOUSLY!!? What is WITH freaking SNOW getting all the blame for everything when Regina does things a billion times worse and walks away with no guilt at all? And what is with Emma getting all the flack for giving up Henry when she only did it to benifit him and Regina gets no blame for giving up Robin at that bar? I am so sick and tired of Regina breezing through her life talking to other people about concequences and her not taking responsibility for her own. I want her to either change for real or die. Preferabbly die.
It's my biggest complaint about Once... them babying the villains so much. Or at least their favorite one. They keep showing the audience how much pain Regina is in. I don't. freaking. care. how the bitch feels. (no, I take that back. I enjoy watching her suffer. Or at least I would if I felt like the writers weren't trying to make me feel sorry for her.) She's deliberately slaughtered and raped her people in the name of kiling Snow for something she did by accident when she was a little kid, and she has yet to show a lasting ounce of guilt for it.
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I know what you mean about babysitting villains. Once seems really bad about that. Every villain has a tragic backstory of some sort, or at least from the two seasons I saw. It seems like they just can't realize some people are evil because they want to be.
I hate it when they babysit villains in other shows too. At least in the other ones I've seen, the villains are more enjoyable to watch and/or get redeemed. (Zuko is one of the few I enjoyed watching.) In Revolution, Nevil was at least scary enough I wanted to know what he'd do next. (There were a few villains in TCW that got babysat but most of those died or got redeemed.)
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It's funny, because they don't seem to be doing it to other characters. Rumple is put through hell all of the time and he is filled with regrets. Hook is kind of coddled... but he isn't as much of a pain to watch now because he actually has changed for the better (his attitude, the way he treats others, is better now. Not that I feel he deserves to live after stuff I've witnessed him do but I can tolorate his existance so long as he doesn't go back to his old ways). With Regina, however, she still has the freaking "I deserve all good things and nothing bad. Anybody who displeases me deserves to be killed/hurt or at the very least feel the deep lashing of my tounge" attitude that drives me up the wall. I think they were trying to make Cora out to be a victim character because she got pregnant by throwing herself at a gardener pretending to be a prince interested in her, and then she met a real prince who was interested in her and she had plans to pass off the illigitmate gardener's baby off as his but Eva called her out on it... (seriously... all this backstory information did was make me even more disgusted with Cora than I was... It made me understand why Eva tripped her)
And the Red Queen had a decent redeption arc. Will had a decent redepmtion arc. (<- Both OUaTiW characters)
Zuko was a good one. He backslid once and after that he realized how horrible the side he had chosen really was and that he had to change sides for good. And he didn't take an attitude with the main group like if they didn't take him in he would go bad again. He had a "I'm good now. I understand you don't trust me, and you have the right, but I really have changed. It's practical that you take me into your group because I can teach firebending to the Avatar"
I felt that Monroe was kind of coddled... not nearly as much as Regina, though...
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At least Cora's still dead, I hope.
Zuko pretty much put up with any abuse they'd throw at him since he knew he'd been wrong.
Monroe got it a little, not too badly though. At least he had a sense of humor, which helped a bit.
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I hope they dont' find a way to bring her back (again and permanantly.)
He did confront Katara after a while of her continuing to heap abuse on it... but it wasn't a "Why are you doing this to me I've proven myself to be good I FREAKING DESERVE YOUR UTMOST RESPECT SO GIVE IT TO ME," it was a "What can I do to help you see that I've changed for real now?"
And he did seem to be changing for the better near the end there. (did they cancle the show? I heard that they cancled the show. And that is very mean of them to cancle on a cliffhanger like that...)
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Yes, he had a much better way of handling things than Regina did. Instead of doing "poor me" he figured out how to make things better.
Revolution was canceled.
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He has a brain! And he uses it!
darn. I wish they'd at least wrapped up the nano problem somehow. With how they ended it I feel like "the end of days is here! All of the past fighting is for nothing because the nano is all powerful and it won."
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Yep.
I just pretend it ended four minutes earlier with the president being hauled off to Texas to be tortured. I don't get why they left a cliff hanger. I knew it wasn't getting a third season since December.
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I would have prefered to learn that Aaron had worked it so that the code that he had written to "fix" the nano was actually more like a time-bomb that seemed to fix them for a while but then suddenly killed it... It would have been kind of cheezy and unrealistic but at least it wouldn't be the horrible cliffhanger ending we got...
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That would have worked. I was thinking more along the lines that Aaron or his wife learn to control the NaNos. (It was shown that you could keep them from taking over your mind if you tried hard enough so maybe if you tried harder, you could make them do your bidding.)
Another far out option would have been a solar flare. Solar flares can take out power lines, in theory, so they should be able to kill NaNos.
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I would have taken any of these over the ending we got...
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I pretend that the ending happened differently since the writers would have ended it better if they knew it was going to end.
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I wonder if Continuum is ended or if there is going to be more? The last episode I saw of that had a very dissappointing ending, too...
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