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But Is It Art?

By techgnotic









Perhaps the eternally unanswerable question. But definitely something to chew on... When I first saw it, I was instantly captivated.


At first thought, what a brilliant example of modern pointillism! Has some unknown artist taken up the long abandoned banner of Georges Seurat and presented us with a new manifesto championing art as points of light illuminating our waking dreams?!







Gum Wall in Seattle
by Paul Balcerak



OK, I see now it’s not a painting at all, so my pointillism exuberance is dashed. It’s more likely one of those photo collages with thousands of small images being arranged to create a larger picture. That’s cool. So what’s the picture?


If I stare intently long enough, will it suddenly “emerge,” like the ones they sell on the Venice Beach Boardwalk?


OK... it’s gum.







"Wall Of Gum"
by techgnotic






Flower made out of gum, San Luis Obispo
by Crawfish2007












Chewing Gum Wall
by Ricardo Martins









But, hold on.

It is definitely eye-catching.









I LOVE SLO, Bubblegum Alley in San Luis Obispo
by Crawfish2007





And it has definitely held my attention and stirred my consciousness long enough to force the gears in my head to grind out some “answer” as to how I feel about it. And the brief cerebral adventure sparked by this “work” has brought a bit of fun, a flash of joy, into my heart. Why, I actually think it’s a fine example of performance art, even if only a few of the “artists” involved ever gave a moment’s thought as to where, for best aesthetic impact, they would stick their plug of gum. “Unconscious Group Performance Art (UGPA).”(!!!) An artwork years, perhaps decades, in the making!


In any case, it made me think and wonder. It made me feel (happy). So, it’s art to me, even if it’s just saliva-soaked vandalism to someone else. And isn’t that what the wonder of life and art is really all about?


I pose the question back onto you.

Is this art?


Btw, speaking of pointillism, here is a list of 10 deviants that have some wonderful examples of the artform in their galleries.










Since Posting My Thoughts on “The Wall of Gum”

A remarkable number of deviants have responded with their own observations on this “artwork,” pointing out elements for “consideration as art” that I hadn’t even thought of while recording my initial assessment. These included: the question of intention and/or purpose of the artist(s), the effects of time and weather on the piece, and even the architecture of the gummed-upon structure as fundamental to its essence. I hope that by reading these awesomely perspicacious first responses, posted below, more deviants will be encouraged to weigh in with your own unique insights. The Wall of Gum demands that attention must be paid!


Here is a small sampling of deviants who have already contributed mightily to the conversation in the thread below. Please share your thoughts with them regarding their opinions or provide us with a completely new take on the question, "but is it art?"










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CodyStuck [2014-10-04 18:37:42 +0000 UTC]

I... wouldn't say it is art myself, but that is simply because I have always considered the gum wall to be merely an interesting byproduct of a social phenomena. The definition of art varies from person to person, there are no right or wrong answers. This just happens to not fit my criteria as it was not made with any intention of expression, it just occurred over time due to for the lack of a better term, a local tradition.

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LoveoftheDark [2014-10-04 05:34:04 +0000 UTC]

I'm sure paintings of Goatse are also considered art. Whatever.

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CeaSanddorn [2014-05-22 05:00:52 +0000 UTC]

art is just art.
if you say:that is art, than it is art.
for one it is, for one it isn't.

and for that project:
sometimes art is ugly, but sometimes art shows the other problems in the world: maybe rubbish and dirt...

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InesBarbosa In reply to CeaSanddorn [2014-10-04 13:59:20 +0000 UTC]

Wow. Nicely said. I agree. *claps*

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graphiteandpaint [2013-06-01 18:56:47 +0000 UTC]

It is to me, unintentional art. Perhaps it should be clear-coated, to protect it from the elements, and folks who would (ick) be picking at it...?

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matthewami [2012-09-12 04:24:27 +0000 UTC]

At my Jr High we had a gum tree. The thing was nasty, it smelt bad, and the school was finally sued when a few home school kids on distance learning complained and said they got sick from it, so they tore it down. Us kids were so pissed that they did that! Every piece of gum chewed in the quad, by 1,200 kids, every day. The bark was about 3 inches thick, of pure gum, on a tree that was only about 4 inches thick at the time. We LOVED that tree! It was our piece of work! An ugly piece of work, I grant you, but it was ours!

This "gum wall" is there combined piece of work. Call it expressionism, or what ever else you wanna (I'm not a useless philosophy major so I don't know ) but what I call it is community! Think of the thousands of people it took to build that wall! Hell, Wrigley's stock should raise 10 points, just because of it! While it may not necessarily be art per-say, it is something that belongs to each and every person who has contributed to it, and that is truly beautiful!

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matthewami In reply to matthewami [2012-09-12 04:26:48 +0000 UTC]

Also let me add that our gum tree was about 7 years old, and that it was in the graduating class of 2001's year book, which at that point it only had one side half filled in, as a shrub.

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TechUnadept [2012-07-30 03:44:11 +0000 UTC]

I think it`s a sighn that they should fire their janitor.
But in all seriousness, people think lightning-glass is pretty, and thats got no intention beyond the random attraction of static electricity from point A to point B`and by chance hitting some sand.
I`m going to put away the boquet of marigolds and the tape measure now and say `yes, this is art`.

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arindarrc In reply to ??? [2012-04-07 19:50:12 +0000 UTC]

Hmm, looks different to me. Now there`s the art by Anish Kapoor, which has an immersive character - but it had intention and message within...

Now, at least to me, this one is not an art - just an aggregation of chewing gums...someone had their blast of the day...

thanks for posting it;

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smilefaker17 [2012-03-21 06:02:50 +0000 UTC]

yes it is! it's cool.

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karhiio [2011-11-30 02:34:53 +0000 UTC]

art
random
intention

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cortile [2011-11-14 18:56:36 +0000 UTC]

of course its art. on one hand exspression through antisocial behaviors randomly converge into a massive collective canvas. on the other a passing photographer finds it inspireing and takes fantastic photographs. so in many ways this is definately art.

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Mike79Baker [2011-11-12 09:38:42 +0000 UTC]

Art doesn't have to be beautiful. Corbert's work wasn't considered beautiful in it's time. Art doesn't need to be created, Duchamp showed us that with ready-mades.

Art doesn't have to be anything. That's kind of the post-modern curse. Yes, this is definitely art. It's stunning in it's ugliness and destructiveness, it's different, at least it's not another HDR of a sky or a naked woman in full view and totally sharp. This at least took a lot of time and planning and to be honest I think that a lot of real artists, professionals, would love this series.

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Zzombieluv In reply to Mike79Baker [2014-12-13 04:56:50 +0000 UTC]

Agreed. Too many people on here shun abstract art. This work reminds me of an abstractionist's painting. It has a color scheme, a composition, and rythym. To me, it could be filed under a public installation. Many times there has been installations that involve public participation. It is also interesting because it is constantly changing. I would consider it a living artwork.

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Xmaiden-monochromeX [2011-11-10 01:09:54 +0000 UTC]

I think this is really cool. I mean it just depends on how you feel about it. Some people, as I've read in the comments, think that's just garbage. I feel it's art, and that's my opinion wihich is something I'm entitled to.

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Emily1231 In reply to ??? [2011-11-09 03:53:58 +0000 UTC]

It's art. Even if the people making it didn't know what their name was when they put their gum there, it's still an eye-catching piece of art.

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AoiKita [2011-11-08 08:33:43 +0000 UTC]

No I don't think so....I think that's gross.......it's crude to artists who put so much work and effort into a piece of art, only to have stuff like this gain popularity and thus profit....I think it's wrong.

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MyPurpleInsanity [2011-11-07 18:24:09 +0000 UTC]

I think it is art, but only to people who want it to be. I think art can be anything made. I don't think it should be about what the person who made it felt (though it is sometimes interesting to think about), but more about how it makes the person who sees it feel. I enjoyed reading this and thought that the pictures were very good.

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ArtisticFlea [2011-11-07 01:52:19 +0000 UTC]

My opinion? Not art. To me, art has to convey a message or a thought , and this is just the result of a bunch of overtoasted partiers who had to do something with their gum before puking their guts out. It's essentially vandalism, much like gang bangers tagging signs on dumpsters and other fixtures around "their" turf.

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DanangWijayakusuma [2011-11-07 01:50:24 +0000 UTC]

Is This Art?

Which ones of "This" do you mean?

Is it the wall of gum? Or is it the picture of the wall of gum?

I honestly don't consider the wall of gum as Art. Art is not as simple as anything that makes us feel (happy). A rainbow makes us feel. A shower of shooting stars on midnight makes us feel, and those things are not consider as art.

I think art has to be intentional, and it has to have a meaning. Otherwise it's just a beautiful phenomenon, but definitely not art.

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timelessWavelength [2011-11-05 23:12:11 +0000 UTC]

I wouldn't say so... It doesn't express any sort of feeling for me, and anyone can do it. To me, art has to be one of those two things. This isn't.

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timelessWavelength [2011-11-05 23:11:50 +0000 UTC]

I wouldn't say so... It doesn't express any sort of feeling for me, and anyone can do it. To me, art has to be one of those two things. This isn't.

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artaslife [2011-11-05 16:44:27 +0000 UTC]

I thought it was...I took pictures of these and more while visiting in Seattle...I don't have them on here but they are on my FB page at [link]

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artaslife [2011-11-05 16:43:02 +0000 UTC]

I thought it was! I took pictures of the Gum Wall and more while I was in Seattle...: I don't have them on here but they are on FB at [link]

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marioluevanos In reply to artaslife [2011-11-05 23:45:54 +0000 UTC]

Awesome pictures, thanks for sharing. Since I think the gum on the wall is a little fascinating, then I'll consider it to be art.

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Pikirii [2011-11-05 16:24:34 +0000 UTC]

It's one of those things where you'd just have to define the term art.

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imachrismoose In reply to ??? [2011-11-05 15:23:12 +0000 UTC]

It's all in the eye of the beholder.

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Dark-Tamashii [2011-11-05 12:42:33 +0000 UTC]

I think everything that express yourself is art...so...maybe this is art...^^

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tonymec [2011-11-05 11:57:12 +0000 UTC]

So what is "Art"? Some years ago someone (I forget the name and the title of the work) put up a urinal, with no change except it wasn't connected to any incoming water mains or outgoing waste conduit, gave it some title, and people started saying "Oh" and "Ah". Decades earlier, there had been a fashion among so-called "musicians" to write pieces for "prepared piano" (possibly with accompaniment), i.e., you put junk at specified places inside the piano before you started playing. So what is genuine art and what is just there to mock a kind of public who will admire what they don't understand? I don't know.

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Mike79Baker In reply to tonymec [2011-11-12 09:43:10 +0000 UTC]

That was the very famous, Marcel DuChamp. It was done in 1917 and submitted under the title "Fountain" and signed as R. Mutt (possibly a play on words from the manufacturers name).

And it wasn't so much aimed at mocking the public as Duchamp attempting to enlighten an art community by saying: "Here's a pedestal, everything in life is art and art is life".

You might also want to see Piero Manzoni's "Base of the World" or "Artists Shit".

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fizzylady [2011-11-05 10:38:07 +0000 UTC]

Yes aret for sure but somehow slightly repulsive

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fizzylady [2011-11-05 10:28:11 +0000 UTC]

Yes art for sure all be it rather disgusting!!

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Davearcher [2011-11-05 08:00:59 +0000 UTC]

Today's provocative question is: What is TRUE art? I'm a 70 year old pro artist. In younger days we asked that question a lot. Nowadays, if you ask it of an art teacher they will get mad as hell at you. It makes many teachers, students, and others in the Artworld utterly uncomfortable. It is not PC to ask that question anymore. I love it when I find a simple question like: "What is TRUE art?", a question all us young artists hit around like a ping pong ball, to now be so provocative as to make people boil over in anger. Today, everything is supposed to be art, because Marcel Duchamp, the father of modern art, as a Dada joke, said
"in the future the artist will merely point to something and say it is art, and it will be art." People forget, Marcel was the ultimate trickster artist. It was a Dada joke. So, I ask, "What is TRUE art?"

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Earl-of-Ninja [2011-11-05 03:22:43 +0000 UTC]

It's not art, it's defacement of a perfectly good wall. So many lazy people who won't actually bother to throw their gun in the garbage, and instead make a mess on the wall. Looking at that wall, I can understand why some people want to ban chewing gum all together.

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Earl-of-Ninja [2011-11-05 03:19:54 +0000 UTC]

It's not art, it's littering and defacement of a perfectly good wall. So many lazy people who wouldn't take there gun and throw it out in the garbage and instead made a mess on a wall.

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SupremeNincompoop [2011-11-05 03:10:35 +0000 UTC]

AWESOME. Totally been there.

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SupremeNincompoop In reply to SupremeNincompoop [2011-11-05 03:11:38 +0000 UTC]

I think it's art, though.
It's like using lipsticks as pastels. Clay, gum, same difference!

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Chaoswolfstone [2011-11-05 03:07:56 +0000 UTC]

yes it is, it's no diffrent than say doing someting with clay or even play dough.

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jericoblackstone [2011-11-05 02:11:06 +0000 UTC]

Just because I may see something and not like it does not mean it is not art. Art at it very basic pulls us in and stirs our emotions. Helps us to create new worlds of fantasy. What is art to me is not art to someone else. As not only an artist myself, but the child of an artist and proud mother of a young artist each of us sees the world differently. We each like and find different things in art that we love.

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for-a-free-vinnland [2011-11-05 01:47:11 +0000 UTC]

Checklist for "art":

Is it pretty (to someone, even if it's not you)?
Was it man-made?
Did it stir emotion?

If all three of these are present, it's art. Simple as that.

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DancingInTwilight [2011-11-04 04:52:43 +0000 UTC]

If a point and shoot picture is art, this should be too

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unluckyfellow In reply to ??? [2011-09-16 01:39:06 +0000 UTC]

Art is when there is something beyond the obvious, which depends on your level of fantasy. The higher it is, the more you are surrounded by art.
An artist trying to define art as a "thing" instead of the process it is, is a hypocrite. There is no such thing as art incarnate... art is how you experience certain things.

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GriswaldTerrastone In reply to ??? [2011-09-13 19:16:39 +0000 UTC]

The problem with art is that it isn't a science. Some might like what I do, but others might think it is garbage. And the reasons can vary:

1) My style, even after the "Third Advancement," is not good enough.

2) Pictures with cute talking animals on an alien world, or pretty "anthros," or even the humanoid Ar-Kenjanians vs. Golem-Mice, can never qualify as art.

3) Some political reason.


Others may think it is truly awesome.

Others somewhere in between.

Whereas 2+2 always =4. That is not up for discussion.

The great Scott McCloud, in his "Understanding Comics: The Invisible Art," said that art can be any activity not related to reproduction or survival. It depends on how strict your definition is.

The problem with "effort" is that even a bad artist might put in tremendous effort, hours of it, but simply lacks the skill. Others may be so skilled that they can draw something better than anything 90% of us here can do, while casually watching "Dancing With the Stars" and eating Oreos.

And talent? A technically skilled artist might draw something that, while obviously competent, lacks that "essence" that even a lesser artist gets. Disney's "Alice In Wonderland," while much more competent in technique than "Robin Hood," was never as popular, because the former lacked the emotional aspect and appeal the latter had.

Art works on an emotional level. Technique, a thing of the rational mind, is a means to an end, but not the final goal. Technique can better show what the artist wants to show, like a weary Raccoon traveler staring up in awe at a narrow crystalline mountain fortress with thousands of stars overhead- skill in perspective would be very useful here to get the impact of sheer size and distance- but it has to have that "something" to work, so you can feel that awe and so identify with the character.

By the way, this is why an artist will often hold back on technique. Disney artists were perfectly capable of more detailed human and animal characters, but aside from cost, they knew that simplified characters are easier for people to identify with- this is why we all see something of ourselves in a simple smiley face, but not, say, a picture of Harrison Ford.

Is gum on a wall like above art? To me, no, even if the pieces were placed deliberately where they are instead of at random. It just doesn't work.

But if you did something like that and someone was willing to pay thousands for it (this often happened back in the glitzy 1980s), well, then, my oh my goodness gracious me of course it's ART, sir/ma'am!

It'll always be subjective. This is why here at DA you'll not likely find any two "Favorites" folders that are the same, or even a "Friends" list that is the same.

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BootRecords In reply to GriswaldTerrastone [2011-09-15 19:55:38 +0000 UTC]

People who have read "1984" might argue that 2+2 might as well be everything Big Brother or The Party want it to be - that is an issue which is a little off the topic here, though.

What I originally went to write (before the above came to my mind) is that I like your attitude towards the definition of art. It's one that I mostly agree with. I don't know wether you read it, but about 15 comments earlier another deviant and I had a lively discussion about basically the same topic

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GriswaldTerrastone In reply to BootRecords [2011-09-21 20:21:20 +0000 UTC]

Thanks for the nice words. And that discussion was worth looking through.

At least at DA we get many, many choices, and can choose what we like. I like a number of comics I've found here, including "Pull Down Heaven," "Demordacai Diamonds," HollyAnn's and LadyRumplestiltskin's random strips, and "Gidget." After years of artistic drought and isolation, it's incredible to realize that imagination and real talent are out there waiting to be found.

If you're curious about those comics, and others, check out my Journal entry about "Comics." The links are there. It's well worth it, really.

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BootRecords In reply to GriswaldTerrastone [2011-10-14 05:08:41 +0000 UTC]

Apologies for me answering this late... I've been pretty busy during the last weeks, so I didn't have a lot of spare time for dA activities and such.

Thanks for the recommendations (the comics) - I read into some of them and honestly was surprised to find comics of such pretty style on dA (to be honest, I didn't pay much attention to the local comic artists before - and there are still lots of webcomics not on dA, that I follow). As soon as I have a little more time on my hands again (like, in a year or so ), I'll read through some more of the ones you featured!

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GriswaldTerrastone In reply to BootRecords [2011-10-15 20:18:00 +0000 UTC]

Glad you like them!

Who says there's nothing good out there? Just get away from the mainstream, and it's there!

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FreindOfSteel [2011-09-04 16:06:33 +0000 UTC]

Ever thing expressive is are. Porn, for example isn't art.

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KillMarioLoveBowser [2011-09-01 15:35:20 +0000 UTC]

Sure it's art! Everything that stands for something the artist wants to express is art!

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BootRecords In reply to KillMarioLoveBowser [2011-09-15 19:43:32 +0000 UTC]

whoch poses the question who, in this case, the artist is - and what did he/she want to express?

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