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Embrace-Fate [2016-10-04 07:38:36 +0000 UTC]

Didn't Manning attempt suicide and go on a hunger strike? Aren't they both self inflicted? I hadn't heard of any torture used against him (now her) while being detained. I am not saying there isn't any, just that it is news to me.

BTW, If military personnel feel strongly against policy or orders, there is recourse already under the UCMJ. Article 139, for example, allows you to submit a written grievance for redress of wrongs, not to mention the Request Mast procedures. Leaking info is a violation of the oath of enlistment, the UCMJ, and U.S. Code.

There is a LEGAL way to do things, and the "Whistleblower Laws" allow for it. Doing things VIA channels allows the ability to reduce or eliminate the risk to operatives in the field... guys like me. (Former USMC myself) I'm all for open communication, but not at the expense of military personnel.

Whether Manning's leak risked personnel or not, I don't know. But when my life or my friends' lives are at stake, I would prefer people err on the side of caution and use established channels. (Freedom of Information Act, Request Mast, Whistleblower Laws, etc.)

I do hope this soldier gets her life straightened out and feels comfortable in her own skin. We always say that a service member's suicide is a "10000 mile sniper shot" from the enemy.

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TheJewishMarxist [2015-09-27 20:25:19 +0000 UTC]

There about as a fair chance for manning to get a fair trial as if hell were to freeze over.

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TGGord [2015-02-04 15:30:24 +0000 UTC]

SHE didn't deserve it.

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hermafrodite [2014-11-19 00:34:34 +0000 UTC]

i think tourcher and all that belongs in other countries preferable other planets but dude dont put any blood on my hands

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Uncertatron [2014-10-27 23:18:43 +0000 UTC]

"At what point did we Americans start condoning torture and blatant human rights violations?!" As long as I can remember.

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PosterGuy2014 [2014-10-22 13:44:30 +0000 UTC]

Yes he did.

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Akhenamen [2014-10-22 07:35:21 +0000 UTC]

"Manning got what he deserved."

As spoken by a true slave. ^^

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AudeS [2014-10-22 05:30:03 +0000 UTC]

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights from 1948 that was signed by
the United States, is clearly stating that torture is not allowed to be
used against any individual. In addition also the American Convention on
Human Rights from 1977, and the International Convenant on Civil and
Political Rights (from 1977, but not ratified till 1992) were signed by
the US. All of which are an agreement to not use torture on any
individual.
And in case of national law the one thing you search for is Title 18 of
the United States Code, under §2340, which clearly defines torture
as inflicting physical and mental pain on a prisoner. Mental pain is
also defined as being inflictable via drugs, threats of inflicting physical
violence and murder, and threats to torture an person close to the
tortured.
Of course it is not that easy. Unfortunately the CIA and Justice Department
have made a legal analysis on how they don't torture people by saying
they act under the direction of the president (Bush jr. back then) and
don't inflict pain equal or worse than that of severe physical injury,
thus they don't torture people... I assume most of the world would
agree how stupid that is.

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experimentalDeity [2014-10-22 05:05:43 +0000 UTC]

Or Ammit's litter box/Tartarus/lower levels of Helhiem (deeper in Helhiem, the worse it gets)... which ever one prefers

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