Bonnie-Lizzie In reply to ??? [2013-04-13 18:18:57 +0000 UTC]

I like this new journal submission method~<3 Keep up the good work, guys! (I'll keep trying to find flaws, but so far it seems promising ^3^ )

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Xonen In reply to ??? [2013-04-13 18:09:38 +0000 UTC]

In addition, please stop shoving the premium membership updates in my face. If it doesn't help me improve my artwork, I am not interested.

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TropiicalParadisse In reply to ??? [2013-04-13 18:07:17 +0000 UTC]

I love the new journal sta.sh thing, but when using my phone, It gets in the way.

It's still wonderful ^-^

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Xonen In reply to ??? [2013-04-13 18:05:04 +0000 UTC]

"In our continuous effort to improve the deviantART experience, we're publishing weekly Site Updates to keep members informed and to gather feedback."

I know how much work it takes to manage a website this big, but really, I barely see anything in your 'Change Log' that actually responds to anything maybe 70-80% of the deviants are complaining about.

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Bearkata In reply to ??? [2013-04-13 17:46:03 +0000 UTC]

It saddens me to see that still nothing has been done about the More Like This feature, despite the numerous pleas from users for some sort of compromise. While I personally like the feature, I would agree that it could use some work, especially since there are still so many people who are dissatisfied with it. A lot of really great ideas have been presented so far in terms of a compromise- I think you really ought to take some of them into consideration. Personally, I think a good compromise would be to have the "More Like This" box become just a small box below the "More from this artist" section with an identical layout, featuring four of five tiny thumbnails and then having a link below that you can click if you want to see more. That way, it would still be there for those wanting to use it, but it wouldn't be as big or in-the-way for those who don't. It would also be nice if the images changed when you refreshed the page.

Presentation aside, I think it could also use a bit of tweaking in terms of what art shows up. It annoys me to see that it only features the most popular works of that particular genre or artist rather than a mixed variety of art; basically, if you're not a super popular artist, then very little of your own art gets featured, and the box instead gets filled by artists who are already much more popular than you are. And because it's based on popularity, the works that are featured often have little to do with the piece being viewed, especially for varied artists like myself. (It's a little odd clicking on one of my landscape drawings and expecting to see other landscapes, only to instead be presented with a bunch of stamps and Neopets art, which I also make from time to time and generally tend to be a little more popular than my other works).

Despite its flaws, I do think that it's a good feature overall, and I do enjoy using it, but I would highly recommend that you consider tweaking certain aspects of it.


As for the discussion question, I personally like to use my Featured folder for displaying a few pieces of art that I feel give viewers the basic idea of my style, and then I use the folders for displaying specific categories (i.e. traditional art, digital art, stamps, etc). When I'm viewing other peoples' galleries, I'll typically start by looking at the "Featured" folder to get a feel for the artist's style, and then if I really like their stuff, I'll then click on "browse" to see all of their art.

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BassoonistfromHell In reply to ??? [2013-04-13 17:28:19 +0000 UTC]

Must say, I'm really enjoying the new journal feature ^^ It's been years since I learned HTML but I don't have the time to relearn the methods. I like this new easy way to make journals more exciting and fun!

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Follyfoot In reply to ??? [2013-04-13 17:21:12 +0000 UTC]

I REALLY wish the "more like this" feature would stop showing such irrelevant results for my deviations (like this one [link] ) I draw mostly horses, but the "more like this" button ALWAYS gives results for the same 10 or so deviations that have Sonic fanart in them. It doesn't make any sense. I have also done the "help improve more like this" several times for several of my deviations, but nothing ever improves. I'm just tired of seeing the same 10 irrelevant deviations in the "more like this" box next to ALL of my work no matter what I do. I would really appreciate some improvement with it.

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Bellechan In reply to ??? [2013-04-13 17:13:16 +0000 UTC]

Featured Gallery:
I usually put my favorites works there AND in the respective folder. Would be good with we (premium account) could style the feature folder like the rest of the gallery. I would like too if was possible arrange "newest to oldest" and vice-versa.


I still don't aprove MLT. Please put it above the main deviation or better forget about it. It's disturbing and annoying. The page is mine and I don't want feature others works. If the visitor want see more, so he clicks in the MLT button.

I don't like use Stash for NOTHING. Stop force us to use this...

It's sad... I'm a deviant for 5 years and every update that passes my love for this site decreases. You care less about our opinion and about art... I's not a facebook page, it's an art site.

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aoife-belle In reply to ??? [2013-04-13 17:00:15 +0000 UTC]

Its nice to see you're STILL ignoring all of the negative feedback about more like this. Its like you only listen to those who are telling you what you want to hear.

Its the same as the whole username debate - you aren't using any old id system at all, you use a numerical membership id just like twitter and other sites like it and yet you still wont purge inactive accounts and deactivated accounts, or allow more frequent username changes. Is that because your site stats of members would be at least halved and it wouldn't look as good?

This site is starting to go really bad. You keep introducing changing stupid and meaningless things (What's Hot for example) but you wont focus on the more important things that people have been calling for for years.

I dont think I'll be renewing my premium membership after this because what you offer to your paying customers really is below par.

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BrokenEye3 In reply to ??? [2013-04-13 16:51:55 +0000 UTC]

Oi, bastards! Forgetting something? I'll give you a hint. It rhymes with gubmit rage, and we've been telling you about it for almost half a year now.

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elecxra In reply to BrokenEye3 [2013-04-13 18:28:15 +0000 UTC]

The submission page is fine. If you have problems with it, go to +help . They spend time and money developing these things so it won't get changed back in a million years.

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BrokenEye3 In reply to elecxra [2013-04-14 04:06:30 +0000 UTC]

The large number of people who have complained about it not having been fixed on every single update since it was implemented say otherwise

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elecxra In reply to BrokenEye3 [2013-04-14 05:20:50 +0000 UTC]

Yet, they all seem to be whiny little children who aren't literate, hm?

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BrokenEye3 In reply to elecxra [2013-04-14 23:10:18 +0000 UTC]

Not any of the ones I've encountered, and I've encountered quite a few. Indeed in this entire discussion your the only one resorting to childish insults, no doubt due to having run out of valid points by which to argue your case. Still, if the "Mad" comments are consistently listed as outnumbering every other emote, that's nothing to be sneezed at whether you agree or not, and the entire concept of beta testing hinges on the developers listening to what the beta testers (especially if they're the majority) have to say and attempting to correct the program accordingly.

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elecxra In reply to BrokenEye3 [2013-04-15 16:57:44 +0000 UTC]

I'm not being insulting whatsoever. The fact you're resulting to lying to yourself is worrying.

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BrokenEye3 In reply to elecxra [2013-04-15 18:57:32 +0000 UTC]

I see, so calling people who disagree with you "whiny illiterate children" isn't considered an insult? Poisoning the well, as they say in the biz (whatever biz that might be). I'm not insulted, mind ye, but then again I'm nigh impossible to insult. I'm merely making an observation.

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elecxra In reply to BrokenEye3 [2013-04-15 19:17:59 +0000 UTC]

But that's not resorting to name calling of yourself, now, is it? Simply stating what is in fact...fact. But it is not as if I am "throwing them around".

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BrokenEye3 In reply to elecxra [2013-04-15 19:32:15 +0000 UTC]

Pardon?

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elecxra In reply to BrokenEye3 [2013-04-15 22:32:00 +0000 UTC]

You understood.

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BrokenEye3 In reply to elecxra [2013-04-15 23:56:06 +0000 UTC]

Hmm... okay then.

Well its been an experience speaking with you, my kitschy acquaintance, but this conversation appears to be going nowhere at any pace. I sincerely hope that you are not an accurate cross-section of those in favor of the submit page. Tootles.

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LoquaciousQuidnunc In reply to elecxra [2013-04-14 21:18:44 +0000 UTC]

Bingo

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GrumpySmoke In reply to ??? [2013-04-13 16:30:41 +0000 UTC]

I am often using my featured gallery to switch around which deviations of mine appear, as well as using that of others since most often the best stuff a person has to offer, or their personal favorites, are posted front and center thanks to featured. I might browse every now and then, but featured is where I spent most of my time, as well as organizing my own works.

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Deus-Nocte In reply to ??? [2013-04-13 16:28:21 +0000 UTC]

I've seen many people who organize their feature folder--I don't do it as much as some, but I do like to take some stuff out of the featured section, especially things like comic pages that can be accessed through the title page. It's good for removing general clutter.

When visiting a deviant's gallery, it really depends for me. I might click "Browse" to see if there's a lot missing, or what they put up recently--but I browse the featured folder too.

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MidNightsCastedAngel In reply to ??? [2013-04-13 16:25:57 +0000 UTC]

I do organize what appears in my featured folder! I only show my less embarrassing works there haha. When looking for new deviants i press browse so I can see everything. I use several different folders . 3 .

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SalienCat In reply to ??? [2013-04-13 16:16:14 +0000 UTC]

I always stick to the featured folder because I assume it's the same as the browse folder, I got really confused when I realized all my new deviations weren't appearing in there and didn't realize they were separate until I found out how to also make my deviations shown in the browse folder appear in my featured folder, I think it's kind of pointless, we have scraps for things we don't want shown if we want a collection of our best work we could just make a folder for it

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livholland In reply to ??? [2013-04-13 15:55:53 +0000 UTC]

Well then I guess it is time to test it out - although personally I have never used Stash in my life, never felt the need for it.

As far as gallery browsing goes I go directly to 'Browse', without looking at the Featured folder because the stuff I am interested in and find the most interesting is rarely the one that is Featured. I also enjoy seeing the progress that the artist has made. That's why I often find myself going to Browse but I usually start at the last page and work my way to the newer stuff. Sometimes I use artist's folders or categories to narrow the works to my area of interest but I never rely on Featured.
It is also something I do not use myself. I add anything there if I remember and I usually don't. If there was such an option I would switch it off for my gallery.

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LoquaciousQuidnunc In reply to livholland [2013-04-14 21:07:51 +0000 UTC]

I too had felt no real need to even look at Sta.sh, let alone a need for it. Then, one day...

So yes, it is time to check it out.
It's amazing when creativity is applied to the simple Sta.sh concept.

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livholland In reply to LoquaciousQuidnunc [2013-04-20 18:16:34 +0000 UTC]

I had a look at it, but still i don't really think it is of any use to me. Perhaps I am missing something. Do you mind telling me what was it that you made use of as far as Sta.sh is concerned?

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LoquaciousQuidnunc In reply to livholland [2013-04-25 16:39:51 +0000 UTC]

I find it as a creative tool that allows for greater expression. I'll combine various media from a variety on sources, including off site images and my personal work. Many times I import these into Sta.sh Writer to tell a story, express emotion, or to make a point.

So why Sta.sh?
Remember in my last comment to you
[2013 Journal Update]
"About 98% of my thoughts go into a members comments." however many of these creations are 100% personal and links are posted in notes. These are intended to bring a smile, a laugh,
or even brighten a gloomy period. It's up to them to save it off-site or not, because the work is deleted once they view it.

Once I created a short Murder Mystery by this very method. The use of photos, GIF's, and links kept the curious lady chasing the story. Total fun for the both of us. [yeah, I should've saved that one...Damn]


A Better Understanding Now?
While not for everyone, I embrace this application to create an active "Greeting Card".
Understandably, I find that most artists are busy with their own endeavors to have the time to take this detour.

I'll always take a brief moment to point out a benefit not considered by others.

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KarameruYukika In reply to ??? [2013-04-13 15:51:51 +0000 UTC]

This DOES NOT fit the resolution of my screen! I am on a netbook, which.. is a pretty ridiculously small screen.. but regardless, it's set to a size that's a bit too big for it, and although there is a scrollbar at the bottom of the screen, there is no scrollbar for where you edit the journal, so a bit of it get's cut off... Could that be fixed somehow?

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ikazon In reply to KarameruYukika [2013-04-19 00:46:49 +0000 UTC]

Hi there! You'll want to file a ticket in the #devBUG Issue Tracker about this if you haven't already.  

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BellicoseBreakfast In reply to ??? [2013-04-13 14:49:38 +0000 UTC]

"More like this" SHOULD NOT BE ABOVE "more from this artist". You feature FIFTEEN thumbnails of larger size from different artists over and above the own artist's work ON THAT ARTIST'S PAGE, where the artist whose art is supposedly being featured only gets three or four thumbnails "hidden" below "more like this".

Artists' pages being used to feature art other than their own is only acceptable when the artist's work is given priority, and right now you're driving traffic AWAY from the artist.

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Kyone-h In reply to BellicoseBreakfast [2013-04-13 17:51:27 +0000 UTC]

I very much agree with this. If they don't want to make it less obnoxious, they could at least put the "more from this artist" thing above "More like This".

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antidevian In reply to ??? [2013-04-13 14:39:29 +0000 UTC]

Flagged as Spam

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Homsarsumo In reply to antidevian [2013-04-13 14:46:00 +0000 UTC]

toy de acuerdo

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0illecebra0 In reply to ??? [2013-04-13 14:31:58 +0000 UTC]

I love deviantart, but in the past few months the changes made to it made me lose my passion for this site. Honestly, I want to enjoy being on here, but it´s very dificult.
The main reason may be that you guys just seem to care less about art than, say, 2 years ago.

Let´s take the matter of art theft as an example. Earlier, when I came across a piece of artwork that was stolen, I´d report it - and I´d get an answer SOMEDAY (at least in most cases).
Whenever I sent a report last year, it remained untouched or got ignored.
Now, you discourage 3rd party reporting by using the dmca system, which requires all sorts of (personal) information. Predictably, many people won´t want to go through all that trouble, so they´ll just ignore artwork that breaks copyright. Not good, man!

Instead we get lots of additions to stash (which is as buggy as ever and being forced on us to write journals), madefire, more like this (which did not only get horrible feedback - you even decided to make it even bigger and obnoxius)...the list goes (unfortunately) on.

Now, some of the changes are nifty, but I still wish you´d have your priorities elsewhere, like for example make the site usable for smartphones, faster resolve of reports, etc.


In conclusion, I want to beg you to listen to the feedback people give you on the changes - don´t just completely ignore it as you did with more like this!
Please read the comments at least under the site updates!

oh and look what happened when I wrote this and clicked on "emoticons":[link]
that´s not the first time, devart!

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MissLunaRose In reply to 0illecebra0 [2013-04-13 20:33:37 +0000 UTC]

Have you reported the emoticons error to the help desk ? They might be able to fix it.

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Veronicad21 In reply to ??? [2013-04-13 14:29:17 +0000 UTC]

Well, i have two proposals with you can update. with pages like your gallery and your favorites. It will be nice if you have with folders also have sub- folders with in it, or something like that. And not only for premium members. And with the same pages would it be nice if you can select more pieces than just one to move, remove or copy etc.

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Grayda In reply to ??? [2013-04-13 14:19:41 +0000 UTC]

Since I started really getting into photography, I only submit my best work to deviantART (and in fact, most other places) so my featured stuff really is featured.

However as time goes on, I look back on older stuff and think "man, that's rubbish. My skills have improved since" and I remove that stuff from the featured folder

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ItsNotFilia In reply to ??? [2013-04-13 14:18:58 +0000 UTC]

Logged out visitors to the Journal Portal would be prompted with a "Join deviantART" modal if there was a Journal flagged as mature content on the page. Fixed by $shahyarg

Actually, I'm getting that right now, so I'm afraid you're not out of the woods, yet. Tested in IE10 on Windows 8.

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ItsNotFilia In reply to ItsNotFilia [2013-04-13 14:20:37 +0000 UTC]

Edit: to elaborate, I'm getting that on the journal's page. I don't know whether that's intended.

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KatyMinecraft In reply to ??? [2013-04-13 14:18:41 +0000 UTC]

Good and 20% cooler idea

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MajorasMasks In reply to ??? [2013-04-13 13:51:27 +0000 UTC]

When I visit other people's pages, it depends. Usually I browe all the gallery though.

About my own Featured gallery, instead, I only submit a few selected deviations there, and I also ordinate their order.

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MajorasMasks In reply to MajorasMasks [2013-04-13 13:51:45 +0000 UTC]

*browse

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bottled-mermaid In reply to ??? [2013-04-13 13:43:51 +0000 UTC]

I always submit my new drawings in "featured" folder. Then I copy them in some other folders I've created. But I use "featured" as main folder for my gallery
I almost never switch to "browse" or "scraps" folders when I look at other artists' galleries

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nepheme In reply to ??? [2013-04-13 13:31:43 +0000 UTC]

I love the new journal writing thing!
Now it's so much faster to add bold text etc
*u*

Would be cool if sup, sup and headlines were managed like this, too! ^u^

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