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And the final army of the 40k posters, the Tyranids! Though my first game of 40k was as Space Marines against 'Nids I still love the image of them. Hulking monsters twice the size of a normal man that destroy eveything in their path
. Sorry, but the Tyranids are gonna eat the galaxy, then maybe the Necrons will rule from undeath 'cause machine parts don't go down so well. ...Nuff said in previous posters.
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i am going to settle this argument about who would win in a fight the nids or the flood. Both are highly adabtble so when the flood found a way to infect the nids and get rid of the hive minds influence thed nids would of evolved to stop it. so in the end the flood would of died as the UNSC and Covenant finally destroyed their gravemind thyen got slautered by the nids then the imperium used exterminatus and blew EVERYTHING UP...
... yeah this picture made me chukle
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also FACE FACTS PEOPLE IF HIVE FLEET LEVIATHAN IS A SCOUTING FLEET THE GALAXY WILL NOT STAND A CHANCE AGAINST A TRUE FLEET!
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screw bug spray get A NUKE!
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What if the Tyranids find biomass that's poisonous to their entire species?
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"We're gonna need better bug spray"
Or a bigger boot.
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and as far as the tyranids vs flood debate goes, the flood use resigual memory in theyre combat forms. examples, using weapons, sheilds, and active cammo. so theoreticly, the flood could learn to hyper evolve just like the tyranids, and keep infecting them, but the tyranids would keep evolving as well to become immune again, and it would go back and forth, back and forth on and on until both the tyranids and the flood either merge into one super species, or they both devolve into puddles of goo on the floor lol, leaving the ruinious powers to claim the galaxy! mwhahahahahahahahaha
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hahahhaa, no, not gonna happen, nope nope nope, chaos is going to take everyone else out of the picture, we're just waiting in the shadows >
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CHAOS WILL RULE ALL!
Im with you dude *respect fist*
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yeah thats why hive fleet behemoth ate a choas stronghold which the choas planning to attack maccarage
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Bring it on. The Imperial Guard will always hold it ground against whatever foe they must. Cause that's what we do best. Die while holding our position.
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im gonna start collecting them aswell ^^ just to fuck over my cuz and his spacepuppies.
and to own him in painting lol
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The say nids are the end of everything (building my very first army^^ and i picked to build Tyranids)
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look, im sure this argument is dead right now, but i want to bring up that it is possible that when tyranids bring flood into their biopools, dont you think gravemind would set some kind of sabotage/trap to cripple the bio pools. however, wouldent tyranids' shadow in the warp make it difficullt for gravemind to contact/ control the flood?
just wanted to bring it up
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Tyranids, Tyranids...They're the best
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it's true they eat and then it becomes a weird balance between them and the necrons 'cause they have no edible souls and they avoid necron worlds
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i dont think ultramarine bugspray would kill that swarm
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nothing can HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!
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Ah Tyranids, creators and perfectors of the Zergling Rush.
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hmmm well what if they meet the flood?[halo]
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I've read through both sides of the arguments and they're very interesting. Stirs memories of better tiems when I could afford to play warhammer (damned recession)
It's a poor comparison, of course, since the Halo universe (unlike warhammer) is a least marginally hospitible... I think the main way to describe the difference is to look at the norn queens and gravemind, the only parts that actually coordinate anything. After all, you've got the flood infection forms (basically a viral parasites gathered together to take the form it does.) vs the gaunts and ripper swarms (the rippers have too little biomass to be good combat forms.) but the 'nids employ viral weapons of their own... the famous phage cells (nasty viral blood that eats a person alive and isn't even carbon based) are an example of nasty lateral thinking on the hive minds part. (I wonder where in andromeda they picked that up)
One advantage you misses out for the flood was that the gravemind is SMART. I mean it might even be smart enough to break into the synapse. It uses a similar system to communicate with it's minions. That's conjecture, but what isn't is that it will have a strategic advantage over the tyranids, who seem to repeatedly abuse the zerg rush tactic again and again in the fluff.
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Sorry, I know this friendly debate is over but I just want to point out the key feature that you missed about the 'Nids. The 'Hive Mind'.
Now, yes the gravemind is smart, but heck so is the 'Hive Mind'. The most common tactic used by the 'nids is the rush yes but if you'd look deeper into it (and into the new stuff that came out after this argument) you'll notice that the 'Nids make everyone in the 40k universe look stupid, in terms of intelligence and strategies. Main reason they abuse the 'zerg rush' is because they simply outnumber their enemy 1,000,000:1 in almost every fluff battle. However (again back to the new stuff before this debate), one battle where the 'Nids where actually outnumbered was against the Orks. Not only do the 'Nids evolve on a biological level, they also evolve on a strategic level, as does every master general. To be frank, I think both have enough intelligence and strategic genius to be a challenger in those areas. So, in reality (not that this is at all >.>) this would simply be a battle of race vs. race and numbers vs. numbers.
I should probably mention this as well, though there are multiple hive fleets for the 'Nids, there is only one 'Hive Mind'. Now, it's not sure what the 'Hive Mind' is. There are 3 guesses; 1: It's an entity, a 'super bug' if you will. 2: Nothing more than simply a mass of stored information that the Hive Tyrants or similar can access (much like a computer system). 3: An 'Old One' controls them (though unlikely.)
As for the breaking into the synapse, what's to stop the 'Nids from doing that to the flood? In fact, what if that completely collapsed both systems and left their troops amuck? We mustn't also forget that they are both using different systems of communication to their 'troops', so they may not even be able to do that possibly.
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No real contest as far as I can see, the Hive Mind of the Tyranids is essentially the combined intelligence of every single Tyranid put together, which is to say trillions upon trillions of organisms.(it's the very definition of 'hive mind') The Gravemind wouldn't be able to disrupt this because: a) It would require a direct link. b) It would need to be smarter than the Hive Mind.(No, Tigurius is not a reason why this is possible, he is a psyker and did nothing more than skim the surface of the Hive Mind to work out one thing)
Intelligence goes to the bugs.
As for infection, assuming the infection forms can even get through the Tyranid's diamond-hard carapace(an understatement actually) there's the small problem of actually infecting them, the Tyranids are stated to be immune to any disease not expressly designed to effect them.(and they quickly work up immunities to them too) The Flood are not expressly designed to effect them.
Even if infection were possible the 'nids would merely evolve around it within about 30 minutes.
And then you have actual combat ability, the Pure Forms of the flood are devastatingly powerful against the forces of the Haloverse, but would pale into insignificance next to practically everything in 40k(it's just that powerful a universe), an Ork boy would be able to split a tank form in half with his choppa.
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thank you for your input!,
i wonder if flood would congeal with the nids'...
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Dunno... off-hand, I'd say no. The 'nids have probably encountered something similar to flood before and won (gene stealers even their norn queens hint at this)
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I've read the entire argument - and as a fan of both sides I feel totally fine with the following judgement:
The Tyranids would win. Flat out. A) There are billions of trillions more of them - and B) They have hyper-evolution on their side. One battle with the Flood and they'd just change their genetic make-up.
Most importantly though - when a Tyranid brood-ship consumes the mass of a planet, they leave behind no living creature - everything, be it parasite, poison or plant is broken down. The planet is then uninhabitable. Any flood who weren't digested by the brood-ship would die out.
Don't get me wrong - I have nothing but respect for the flood, but they are remarkably weak in comparison to the Tyranids. Master Chief wouldn't be able to get away with meleeing a swarm of Hormagaunts to death like he does with the flood.
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jolly good!! but three things.
1] a planet that is floody is a factory. it just keeps pump-en them out.
2]if flood biomass is consumed it will do nothing but weaken the nids from the inside by infecting ether the new ones right as they are produced or, infecting the nids' that eat the flood stuff from the inside out,
3] what if MC has a boosh hammer?
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why are you talking about flood on a warhammer art pic?
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This was some time ago, i had no doubt i started shit cause i was, in fact, a little shit.
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lol. Back when the halo franchise was good, eh?
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It has remained high quality throughout every game so far In my opinion. the franchise as a whole has aged much better then the likes of COD.
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Halo is turning into COD. Halo is losing it's touch, and converting into the COD submission we see today. By the way, I like COD because of nazi zombies, so, yeah.
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Well it may be leaning towards COD but so far i am seeing new innovations and changes to the way the game is played each and every game, which is keeping it alive and healthy in my eyes. The biggest test is to see how 343 handles the coming months to realease, i just hope they don't shit all over the franchise.
and yeah same here
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I apologise, by the way, I know you ended the argument but I wanted to add these points.
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Master Chief, powerful man though he is, is just that - a man. He would be easily overwhelmed on his own.
And the flood-biomass is non-mutagenic. Upon consumption, the Tyranids genetic structure would simply alter to a state wherein the Flood's abilities were rendered void.
They've extincted billions of life-forms. No poison has ever trumped them.
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you did not answer my first retort.
he is much more then a man. but alas. anything would be overwhelmed on its own.
as far as we know the flood could be changing all the time. as it seems capable of corrupting both dna and what ever else is the base of all of the other life forms. it is highly unlikely that the flood could survive in a intergalactic ecosystem as it is if it does not or did not change. and i heard that the flood is from another galaxy. so; like the nids, their could be whole galaxies completely or almost completely under the floods control. in fact. the nids and the flood may have had similar roots.
you know? the major flaw in any of these kinds of arguments is simply, warhammer 40k has been around for what? 15, 25 years?
because it has been around so gosh darn long every thing is explained to the last detail. while things like the flood, covenant, or any other modern sci-fi army/race/thing are only explained in the mediocrum*. you have to much info on your side. i could not win. most of my argument has and is based of educated guesses about the flood and its inner workings.
gezz this is fun!
* yes i know this is not a word.
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I didn't answer the Factory comment because it doesn't matter how many flood are produced - when you eat an entire planet, that's pretty final - there's no coming back from that.
And I've done my fair share of reading. The '
And let's face it - if the flood can be defeated by one dude and his shotgun, what chance do they stand against the most exquisite bio-engineered killing machines in existence?
Don't get me wrong - I love the flood as a plot device, and they're scary to take on on the higher difficulties of play, but they are remarkably weak in comparison to the Tyranids.
You're right when you point out the differences in detailing - but even so, consider this:
The technology level in Halo is significantly lower than in Warhammer. Even the Covenant weaponry is still only marginally more advanced and exotic than the Marine's weaponry.
And even this limited weaponry still carves a swathe through the Flood - who defeat their opponents mainly through strength of numbers.
Against the Tyranids, they have no advantage of numbers. Nor are they simply fighting some lousy, terrified marine and his assault rifle. They're fighting born and bred weapons of mass destruction.
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oh... wut? you cant unfloodify a planet. unless you like... nuke it or some thing... but that does not mater.
The infectors can and do infect live hosts. In Halo 3 it happens quite allot in fact.
Also the infectors are not the only things that can corrupt the host. the floods base cell is in actuality the real body fucker. it is like a virus in that it forces the hosts cells or what ever, to make or of its self. like a cancer.
though it is true that most of the hosts are controlled by the nervous system it is all to likely that the flood could create its own nervous system with in the host. or, it could form the flood super cell into replacement muscles from the old ones. makeing the host's nerves/whatever unneeded in the first place.
one of the real reasons they use the preexisting nervous/brain system is so they can strip information off the new combat form. they don't need to do that. and that way would be useless against the nids any way because the hive would strip the info as the gaunt died.
and the fact is: that that was one: a super solider and two: those were but tiny infections. miniscule. a few billion at most. a real flood 'corruption' would be billions of trillions strong. what I'm stipulating is that a nid' hive fleet plowed into a compleatly over ran flood galaxy.
also after fighting the nids for even a day or two the flood would start copying the bio weapons of the nids. they would then have both the stolen technology of their hosts; old and new, and the horrifying weapons of the nids at their disposle.
and if they were both on one planet the nids souses of 'food' would soon run out. but the flood would be feasting on every nid that fell in battle to it.
further more. the pure forms that we know of today are obviously only the beginning. hell for all we know there could be flood bio titans in a mature enough infection. emperor knows the gravemind is big enough to be one.
again i feel that the weapons of the halo universe are so damn effective is because the small scale infection that they are up against.
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You can Easily unfloodify a planet if you're a Tyranid - because they eat Everything - from the atmosphere to the very soil of the ground. Their stomachs break things down on a genetic level, so no parasite works against them. If you consider that the Flood are essentially all Parasites, you realise why Tyranids would be unaffected by them, in the same way that the Necrons are unaffected by Tyranids.
Necrons are made of metal - they are soul-less machines, and the Tyranids cannot consume them because of that.
In the same way - the Tyranids are utterly immune to disease and parasites within mere hours of being exposed to them, making the Flood totally irrelivant to them. You cannot infect that which cannot get sick.
As for the Flood adapting their bio-weapons, that's why Tyranids are known as 'Lethal Evolution' - they evolve by the hour.
And in to your final segment about the weapons being effective because of the small scale infection -
Unless you can prove there is a bigger infection off the horizon, then we can only assume that the Gravemind is the head honcho of the Flood - that he is their big master manipulator.
If he's the worst the Bugs have to contend with - there's nothing much to do there.
Hell - the hive fleets that ravage the Imperium are just scouting fleets.
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I agree, Rythmear.
MC may be a super-soldier, but I'd reckon a Space Marine would be more super still.
And even Space Marines get torn apart by the 'Nids.
Also, the Tyranids approach the human galaxy from 3 completely different directions. Strongly hinting that the 'Nids have already scoured a MASSIVE portion of the galaxy.
Finally - Tyranids break down ALL forms of life to convert into their own Bio-mass. They kill everything and turn it all into more Tyranids.
The Flood on the other-hand rely on what is already there. They can't "create" their own hosts. They need to infest the bodies (living or dead) of current life-forms.
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good points all around but, the flood can create the infectors on their own.
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As you keep insisting that the nids can evolve to be immune to the flood; i find this unlikely. the flood in the time before the activations of the rings must have been insanely mutagenic. it is highly likely that as they consume DNA/what ever else they mutate to create new ways to take advantage of the life form. indeed, if a nid got infected, the thing that make them evolve so damn fast might be found, and just might be utilized to help speed up the evolving proses in the flood. thus making it a lethal Evolution too.
if it was really as weak as you make it out to be, why would it have posed such a massive threat to the forerunners? a race said to be unequaled by any other before our sense.
the massive scale i am leaning toward is the size of the flood out break that toppled the forerunners. trillions and trillions of combat forms. massive navel fleets, septillions of infectors and other small forms that might have been produced.
also please do note: the flood you deal with has been in status for 100k years. that is a VERY f*cking long time. its infection process is still booting up by the time you kill them of on the ark.
ooo! imagine if the flood got a bio titan in the first engagement! oh the thing they could do!!
have you ever played gears of war?
and another problem here. we are never going to see the flood at such a massive scale in the halo story line. because bungi wants people to love their games. if the flood was at its zenith then their would be no chance for any thing to survive. so, it would not be fun, thus it will not happen.
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Warhammer has already freely admitted that the Tyranids represent the end of the universe - it's only a matter of time.
And the flood couldn't steal the hyper-evolution because it's stimulated by the Hive-Mind. They'd need to infect the original hive-mind, which just isn't going to happen. The moment an individual bug is severed from the hive-'s connection, all evolutionary ability is lost until it regains connection. Thus rendering the Flood's primary assault method moot.
And the flood represented a threat to the fore-runners because HUZZAH there's So Many of them.
And no, I haven't played Gears of War.
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