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Published: 2005-08-02 08:52:55 +0000 UTC; Views: 94832; Favourites: 1364; Downloads: 18195
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Description *UPDATE*: The image has been updated to one modified by *lorrainemd which helps depict the emotion much better. I can not thank her enough for the wonderful help she has provided me in allowing the statement to have that much more clarity.


why have you been hurt by the guy from Los Angeles , who taught me a few Greek words while he was welcomed in our home in Japan, and stayed here for a week which ended up with him befriending me, only to stab you in the back?

... was it business?

... was it personal?

... was it for money?

... was if for power?

... was it greed?

... was there an honest reason?

... why have you been hurt?

... all i want to know is why, daddy?

your pain is too much for me to handle and i can not keep it inside any longer ...

*DISCLAIMER*: this deviation is in no way to be considered a personal attack on any of the parties involved in "this situation." it is merely here to depict the unintended consequences of ones actions; those that are never considered when decisions are made and implemented. this image is not staged and is not intended to be used as some way to rally the masses; art is emotion and this is nothing but pure, raw, emotions pouring out of someone affected by this severity of the situation.
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AshleyB In reply to ??? [2005-08-10 02:58:41 +0000 UTC]

I want to just grab and hug him til he stops crying. Lovely shot.

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patchworkmemory [2005-08-10 01:13:03 +0000 UTC]

I've been skimming over the controversy of this photograph (very raw, very beautiful, btw) and I can't help but be re-think over and over that if this were some random man's son, a man who was not interwoven so deeply in dA and it's happenings but just a regular Joe Schmoe with a camera, and he took a photo of his son showing this kind of bare emotion, I believe there wouldn't be any such comments about "pity whoring", as it were. There would be comments about how marvelously captured the emotion is in the piece itself and how it tell's a story (which there is and it does).
Simply because Jark is the co-founder of dA, and this terrible thing has happened to him, it suddenly means that if he takes a picture of the emotional effects a betrayl from a friend of the family, and the subject is his son, he must be a digging for sympathy. It's ridiculous to assume such a thing. Art is composition supported by emotion. Photography is about captureing the emotion in a frame of time so that it can be shared and others can empathize or be affected however which way the photo warrants.
In this moment, betrayl is captured. I honestly don't think any man who could put so much love and time into dA would use his own son in any such way as to gain pity and support. It doesn't fit.
This piece says to me that "One mans actions against you can affect those around you just as sharply, if not more so." And this is a very true thing.

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jark In reply to patchworkmemory [2005-08-10 01:19:34 +0000 UTC]

thank you very much for understanding the true meaning and intentions behind this image. nice to know that some folks do get it.

... that i am allowed to be human like the rest of the artists here on the site.

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patchworkmemory In reply to jark [2005-08-10 01:56:27 +0000 UTC]

Haha, people think with their brains too much and not their hearts when it comes to art. They expect too much from the people they put on pedistals.
But you're very welcome.
(and I'm totally wow-ed that you replied. so thank you for that)

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jark In reply to patchworkmemory [2005-08-10 02:08:37 +0000 UTC]

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suitcase In reply to ??? [2005-08-10 00:48:22 +0000 UTC]

This is embarrassing. I hope you regret this pile of emo wankery when you grow up (but aren't you like 30?)

Anyway, I reworked it to suit the spirit of the piece more. [link]

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contrapaganda In reply to suitcase [2010-11-28 20:46:53 +0000 UTC]

The "real" Deviantart died a long time ago... noticing why (Jark out, Matteo out) finally explains what happened.

No wonder the current Deviantart is full of warez-links, al'kaida-propaganda and other weird political shit people still dare to call "art". By the way: amateur pics of tits aren't what I call "art" either. So much for a community DA killed all by itself.

My 2 cents: DA may have kicked a ninja's ass, but DA also lost grip on the evolution of tastefull art! That's why I'm out of here... FCK U DA!

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theguywiththehaircut In reply to suitcase [2009-07-27 20:18:23 +0000 UTC]

wow, jark, you exploit you kid to make people feel guilty.
what a fgt

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Ghastly-design In reply to suitcase [2008-05-28 21:38:12 +0000 UTC]

same here.

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waranghira In reply to suitcase [2008-05-07 09:24:17 +0000 UTC]

you, sir, are a genius!

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Clowerfield In reply to suitcase [2008-02-24 10:12:06 +0000 UTC]

Holy s**t, ED led me here. Thank you, ED.

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That-Tiny-Rii In reply to Clowerfield [2015-03-29 11:36:39 +0000 UTC]

7 years later, same

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Turboplant In reply to Clowerfield [2009-11-02 06:46:07 +0000 UTC]

ME TOOOOOOOOOO....
but I'm not going to do anything about it...

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Kael-Seleill-Nulaad In reply to Clowerfield [2008-06-07 18:28:37 +0000 UTC]

third'd

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Umbrakoopa In reply to Kael-Seleill-Nulaad [2008-08-07 23:50:08 +0000 UTC]

fourthed

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Himene-Chan In reply to Clowerfield [2008-05-13 21:27:41 +0000 UTC]

I got here the SAME way.

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nigglesworth In reply to Clowerfield [2008-03-03 02:26:25 +0000 UTC]

I agree.

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jark In reply to suitcase [2005-08-10 01:06:26 +0000 UTC]

if you only had half a clue as to how deep this is then you would understand. after all, ignorance is bliss, right?

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DarlingDreamer In reply to jark [2008-01-01 15:16:55 +0000 UTC]

You must be the happiest person alive.

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suitcase In reply to jark [2005-08-10 01:50:26 +0000 UTC]

If this really is so deep, though, why not wait until you can divulge whatever secret information is being withheld? You're embracing and pushing this whole "JUSTICE FOR JARK" movement along with your journal entries, artworks, and even a crying Jark avatar, and I think that's disingenuous. You're exploiting the more impressionable members of the community and letting this movement swell against the "establishment" when.. there's no real basis or justification to it all yet. And all you do when the few people question your motives is sidestep it.

I can understand that you may not be able to tell everyone what's going down, but the mature way to handle that would be to stay silent on the issue until you can explain it all. The way you're handling it is pretty childish and aimless, and has really undermined your credibility in my eyes and a decent amount of the others who are watching this dispute.

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jark In reply to suitcase [2005-08-10 02:10:23 +0000 UTC]

i am not exploiting anyone. methinks you have me mistaken with someone else.

the mature way would be to handle this silently? there is more than 1 way to skin a cat; life experience has taught me that much.

ultimately, you are entitled to your own opinion. if that is how you truly feel then by all means.

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suitcase In reply to jark [2005-08-10 02:41:18 +0000 UTC]

You are exploiting the Deviantart community by egging on the hateful and divisive behaviour against Spyed.

The mature way would be to handle this silently. It's what Spyed is doing and while I think he's a dick usually, on this issue he's handling the criticism very well by staying calm and quiet while you and your fanbase goes berserk speculating about small comments he makes on the staff board. Perhaps there's another mature way to deal with it too, but I was just criticising the childish and hyperactive way that you are currently handling the issue and offering an alternative solution.. and so the comment that there is "more than one way to skin a cat" can be seen to be pretty irrelevant.

You're sidestepping the issue again. You're forcing me to merely reiterate my points because you just dismissed them without really touching on what I was trying to ask of you. Can you please try and justify yourself to me and the other sceptics, whether in this comment or in a journal or something else? It might be a little more difficult than convincing your supporters to love you more, but I think it's important you prove to the doubters that you have some substance behind your movement. Saying "you are entitled to your own opinion" doesn't cut it just yet. You need to explain yourself.

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jark In reply to suitcase [2005-08-10 04:03:53 +0000 UTC]

i am not sidestepping the issue. if you dont like how i handled this then so be it. you are entitled to your opinion and i do not plan to debate you on it.

all the information needed in order to make an intelligent decision regarding this episode is out there, somewhere. if you want justification then find what i refer to, read it and come to a logical conclusion.

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suitcase In reply to jark [2005-08-10 05:34:47 +0000 UTC]

I'm sorry to hear that's your position. I hope most people reading this thread gain some insight into the baseless silliness of this whole phenomenon and your inability to explain yourself to anyone questioning you.

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Subtlerevolutionist In reply to suitcase [2005-08-31 18:23:20 +0000 UTC]

dude, you have worded this brilliantly and I admire you for it...if only I'd read this comment before I'd made mine, I would have worded mine better methinks

nice one dude

Pookie x

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angeleyes25 In reply to ??? [2005-08-10 00:21:45 +0000 UTC]

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flynfreako In reply to ??? [2005-08-09 21:16:51 +0000 UTC]

that's so sad it really does show the emotion well. the lack of color is a great touch.


hmmm... it seems many people are just looking at one side of this which is "why would your son care if you lost your job on DA?" and they're overlooking your comments that inform us that your family knew $spyed personally, and as a friend.


and you feel so much more betrayal from something like that.

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shd27 In reply to ??? [2005-08-09 15:07:55 +0000 UTC]

this pic make me "wanna Cry with him"

T-T

Good work

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MadGooseParade In reply to ??? [2005-08-09 04:46:59 +0000 UTC]

I just joined and came across this piece. It is so utterly beautiful. Its wonderful how you can feel his cries but its really up to the viewer as to what angelo did... thanks for such a great site and such as well as a great work ^^

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hark-the-raven In reply to ??? [2005-08-09 03:42:34 +0000 UTC]

do i think that you should have photographed your own son crying over this situation? you didn't ask my opinion but i'll be like the other thousand people that gave their opinion with out asking and say this...yes...yes you should have done what you did...

i'm not one of those anti-spyed, gung-ho, 'all-praise-the-new-Jesus-jark' kind of deviants that agree with everything you say because you said it...i'm just a deviant that halfway knows what he's talking about...the kind of deviant that was described above usually knows nothing about the situation that has led to the creation of this piece...

this type of thing can easily be misconstrued as trying to gain sympathy...but the only people you would gain sympathy from is the people that already give their sympathy to you...and the people that hate you will attack you as you've seen already...

some may think it was a low, dirty thing you did by taking this picture...some may think it shows the *true* situation and how it affects *everyone*...i don't know...i don't really want to know...i just appreciate art...and this is art

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jark In reply to hark-the-raven [2005-08-09 03:56:29 +0000 UTC]

well said, thanks.

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moeffju In reply to ??? [2005-08-08 15:25:50 +0000 UTC]

I think this honestly is below the belt and uncalled for. You speak of diplomacy in your journal, so I have to ask whether you consider this diplomacy?

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pachunka In reply to moeffju [2005-08-18 23:15:34 +0000 UTC]

Indeed.

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SeaFairy In reply to moeffju [2005-08-11 16:31:42 +0000 UTC]

nope.

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Twisted-Image In reply to ??? [2005-08-08 15:04:38 +0000 UTC]

holy moly that has SO much emotion and pain in it.. very well done. i love it!!

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GeorgeDubyaBush In reply to ??? [2005-08-08 14:03:28 +0000 UTC]

"I understand there's a suspicion that weβ€”we're too security-conscience."

β€”George W. Bush, Washington D.C., April 14, 2005

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bikerboy In reply to ??? [2005-08-08 11:28:37 +0000 UTC]

I feel a tension in the force.

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WhiteSpeed In reply to ??? [2005-08-08 07:47:20 +0000 UTC]

wow very emotive indeed....good work

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etreinte In reply to ??? [2005-08-08 06:23:53 +0000 UTC]

Incredible.

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studio7designs In reply to ??? [2005-08-08 05:07:55 +0000 UTC]

That is actually a pritty good photo

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scrumptrulescent88 In reply to ??? [2005-08-08 03:06:20 +0000 UTC]

i wish i could hug him... :crys:

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Xanthil In reply to ??? [2005-08-08 01:25:25 +0000 UTC]

Good luck with everything Jark. You're the one who should have control of DA (well you and Matt) not Spyed... >_>

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jody-mits In reply to Xanthil [2005-09-03 23:55:09 +0000 UTC]

I agree.

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Simply-Being [2005-08-08 01:22:07 +0000 UTC]

I guessed, I should share this with you, Jark.

In 1953 Albert Camus wrote, " Our civilization survives in the complacency of cowardly or malignant mindsβ€”a sacrifice to the vanity of ageing adolescents.... In 1953, excess is always a comfort, and sometimes a career." It's 2005, and I believe that those words may still ring true.

I'm saddened, when I see what was once vibrant, and alive, coming to a (corporate) end. Of course, I realize as many have, that if I just go about 'business as usual' that soon, the corporate entity will assauge those 'hard feelings' of mine, and everyone at DA will be happily about their normal routine.

I cannot accept this, and so difficult was this for me, that I decided to discover what other, greater thinkers than I will ever be, have had to say on these same matters. You will find this journal peppered with quotes, to support the position I have taken, and that I would hope, many others will adopt.

Did you ever look for something, only to be surprised to find something else? Sometimes, it can be a great feeling, say you're looking for an old scrap paper with something written on it, and going through some clothes you haven't worn awhile, you find a long forgotten Hundred Dollar bill. That's good. Finding a black widow spider, clinging to your fingers in that same pocket, that would be bad.

For me, the whole search began, when I wanted to research the 'dismissal' of Jark. If that didn't seem a dark enough search to begin, I can say it's only become much worse. What I found at the end of that search, had MUCH less to do with Jark, and more to do with me, and the 'relationship' I have with all of you, and with DA. That may sound incredibly selfish, and I admit, it is. Were it not for DA being a place artists could come together to share and comment, I would not have (selfishly) come to know the many friends I have made here. That IS selfish, and as I write, it strikes me as quite hypocritical as well. Yet, even my hypocrisy has it's limit, and I fear that in my search I have found it. Please bear with me, as I will explain fully.

" The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." That, according (I believe) to Edmond Burke, an Irish philosopher. I agree, and in my life, I see clearly it has come to this.
Perhaps, what has happened with Jark, can be attributed to 'corporate evil' the result of ONE person's actions? I do not think so, as much as I would LOVE to blame Sotira, factually, he and I share equal blame.

You see, He is just the captain of a ship, a ship which I hitherto unwillingly, GIVE LIFE. And now, seeing this, realizing this, I must reassess my own actions, before 'blaming' anyone else. There's been a rally cry of "COMMUNITY ! !" And yes, I want to agree, and rally everyone together, but I cannot. You see, this 'community' of which we speak, it's YOU, and it's ME. And when I think of 'my friends' here on DA, and I think of that 'community' I think of Annie, and Jessica. I think of Marta, and Sarah, I think of Ying, and Elle, Ninke, and Crimson Faerie…. All of these people who have come together, not only because of DA, but because their meeting, was MY contribution to 'community'. So you see, that whole thing could Not exist without You, and me. And that community I think of, depends on ME.

I am center of a wheel, which overlaps many others., depending upon them as much as they may depend upon me. And when I think of any 'valuable' contributions I may have made, no art piece has ever been more important than my Friends, and their very real dreams and hopes.

Many people are a 'friend' to Jark. I am not, having never had ANY dealings with the man. I know he Founded DA. I know he was 'terminated'. I have no loyalty to him, other than I have been grateful that he Did put this machine in motion. As for my other friends, yes, to you I am loyal, as loyal as I have been and will remain always to my precious Saint Aubri.

Here, is where the line blurs…. Here, is where I must make a stand.

Sarah Ellis, Writing over a century ago wrote this, "To act the part of a true friend requires more conscientious feeling than to fill with credit and complacency any other station or capacity in social life."

Hmmm.. that's a bit harsh, but truth often is. Factually, I've gained more from the DA community, than I could EVER give back, yet, faced with an opportunity to 'give back more' I feel I must. It is a moral imperative that I do so.

A recent poll asked, "If there was an art site which offered more than DA, would you go?"
I'd go, absolutely.

The PROBLEM I have with DA is simple. It's the attitude that I, (a member) can BE treated as a 'commodity'. Further I am appalled at the somber resolution many appear to have that 'DA will remain'.
I do not recall anyone being ASKED if we WILL stay under the new guidelines, and rating system. My feeling is that if 400,000 of us DID walk to another site, then that attitude would change, and quite quickly.

Many have turned a blind eye to the issue surrounding Jark's dismissal, I make no apology, when I say it must be because the truth is clear, even to them, and rather than 'take a stand' they choose to be complacent, and that is something I WILL NOT do. There ARE people who have no idea of the whole Jark drama, and honestly feel they are not party to it. While I can agree that ignorance IS bliss, I cannot agree to empower DA for my own selfish end.

DA exists now, I am sure, a power unto itself, but this could be true of any site. Still it does not mean that I MUST 'accept' blindly when told, that I have to 'just accept' it, because there is currently no alternative to DA. I'm no suit, but I'm not stupid either, I CAN choose, I DON'T have to stay. I remember when AOL thought IT was the 'Only Game in Town' and people Scoffed at Yahoo, saying, "They'll never match AOL for content". .

I am not a citizen of DA, I am a citizen of the world. As such, what I find most appalling and unacceptable, is is the treatment WE are recieving from those that people who CLEARLY PROFIT from our being here. We are beng treated as chattel, MINDLESS FODDER for the corporate canon. We are being harrassed and censored, our freedom to speak out is often handicapped or restricted, all in the name of the almighty dollar. That may be great for those who profit from such behaviour, but I feel it is unethical, and unacceptable in ANY 'art' community, and all of this, they do while piously waving the flag of "Community." I AM THE COMMUNITY, and I OBJECT..

Factually, from a majority shareholder's standpoint, we are all finally just numbers, with our worth to be established by this new 'x,y,z' system. Even though under the new guidelines, SOME people will feel 'special' and favored by the system, we will still ALL be herded like cattle into groups.
We will post 'our art' hoping for recognition, while never realizing the real truth, that as we pay with our sweat and dreams, ultimately, the only people who TRULY profit from it, are a few suits.

A few words to all the 'Little People' who don't think your voice matters, IT DOES. You represent PROFIT. For a site like this, even if you don't sell a single print, even if you never buy a sub, your space on DA is AD SPACE. So when your friends, and relatives stop in to see your latest pic of your Kitty, it translates to PAGE HITS. Page hit's is how ADS are sold to advertisers. You are PROFIT, while many paid positions, (Like sotira's) are OVERHEAD. YOU MAKE DA Money, while Others (aherrm) COST MONEY, no matter how they try to floss over that fact, by calling themselves 'Beloved' anything.

For all those fence sitters, who want to just IGNORE this whole issue, I have a few words from Ben Franklin, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety"

To conclude,. I AM NOT ADVISING ANYONE to "Join the revolution." No, do what YOU believe is right. I've mentioned before, this isn't for Jark, it's for me, and, it's FOR YOU, "my" little corner of the DA community, where this wheel overlaps those few others. It's My little way to say, "I'd stand for you, and risk all, if YOU were dealt such injustice as Jark has suffered." Mine is just one small voice, but it's all I've got, and all I have to lose, and I needn't wait for it to be taken from me, no, I can CHOOSE not to give further life to an unethical corporate beast.

That 'search' for truth on which I began this journal, brought me to these conclusions. (bad) But also to one other conclusion, (good.) I have few friends, and that one tiny LOVE (SA)… I feel I would do us all a great disservice, were I to 'choose safety' or ignore the obvious facts, or pretend to morality while enjoying the (selfish) benefits which I derive from DA. These things I will not do.

I decided that If I have not seen Jark initiate some legal action to regain his position, or some control over DA, then I will not continue past 30 days on this site. It's not much, but if a half a million other people choose principals over selfishness, in deed, and not words alone, then I am sure, the DA community at large would be much better served, either by the 'NEW DA' or by the alternatives which would rise, to meet the demands of those unsatisfied here.

I have spoken

Angel Perez

Simply_Being@yahoo.com

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jpkuelho [2005-08-08 00:47:26 +0000 UTC]

stop being faggot and crying to everyone about what happened to you, be a man!;/

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flynfreako In reply to jpkuelho [2005-08-09 21:20:31 +0000 UTC]

so you're saying you wouldn't be pissed off and complain if one of your friends stabbed you in the back? O.o

...seems a little strange to me....

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Chronometrics In reply to flynfreako [2005-08-11 03:59:24 +0000 UTC]

Oh, I'd be pissed, but I'd grow a pair and deal with it. Every man is the instrument of his own salvation. He can either cowboy up or he can fucking die.

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flynfreako In reply to Chronometrics [2005-08-11 04:11:13 +0000 UTC]

hehe, i guess that's right. but he probably wouldn't be carrying on this long if it wasn't for all the people sympathizing.

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Chronometrics In reply to flynfreako [2005-08-11 08:16:14 +0000 UTC]

Heh, exactly. He doesn't have the guts for a frontal assault, so he's trying to gain some reinforcements. But you know... I have a feeling this is going to backfire horribly on him.

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flynfreako In reply to Chronometrics [2005-08-11 19:55:24 +0000 UTC]

maybe, maybe not. it's hard to tell who the "bad" one is when there are not many reliable facts going on. personally, i think jark was wronged.

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