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Published: 2011-01-10 20:16:56 +0000 UTC; Views: 7085; Favourites: 88; Downloads: 53
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Download for fullsize if it's been shrunk for you.This suggestion was inspired by this thread: [link] started by someone looking for a way to get more people to actually read Group Rules before joining, and encourage Groups to put their rules in an easily-found spot.
What's crazy is, this Module technically already exists! (Including the Facebook Share link, which is why I didn't comment on it.) It's just confined to the "Join Page" every Group used to have at http://
So this suggestion is basically taking that module, tweaking it a little, and sticking it in a more useful and prominent spot on a Group's page.Edit: Oh god, another Daily Deviation.
Apparently the DA Related gallery really likes me? Thank you, `Mirz123 !Also thanks to `namenotrequired , who showed me that the module existed to begin with, and suggested I make a Visual Suggestion based on it.
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Great idea 
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I didn't either, until `namenotrequired pointed it out! I was like, wait, what, this awesome thing already exists and yet it's not being used? Why?! D:
Just make sure you link to it from somewhere on your Group's front page, or people won't be able to stumble across it.
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I've featured this as Daily Feature on the front page of #deviantART-Related
#deviantART-Related is the unofficial group for the dA related gallery, and our Daily Feature is a private initiative to serve as an alternative to DDs while there's no GM for the gallery
We featured your tutorial for today with the following description;
Many group owners and admins will know the problem of people joining without reading the rules or meeting requirements... Groups βJoin Moduleβ is a suggestion towards better use of an existing feature that very few people know about. =Jeysie s suggestion puts this feature to good use, and gives it the important role groups need it to.
Given 2011-01-17
Featured by `namenotrequired
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Thanks for the pimpage!
Hopefully you guys will get to find a new GM soon. 
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I don't really know much about it to be honest 
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I follow the Fan Art GMs. It's not that people are unhappy with the new GMs, exactly, so much as it is they don't want the old GMs to be leaving, nor did the old GMs really want to give up their position.
One of my friends complained (only half-jokingly) that after all the time he spent trying to teach the old GMs about some obscure stuff, now he has to do it all over again.
And they just ended up hiring once again two people who seem to only mostly know anime, rather than getting people with different fandom experience, so I don't even see what the point of the switcheroo was. :/
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I see 
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Well, I mean, it's not that I think I won't like the new GMs, it's just that it's change that wasn't needed or wanted. Change for the sake of change is... annoying at best.
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This is very helpful... but how do you get people to see/be linked to it? Because I tried clicking the 'join group' button while logged out and it only came up with the standard box message.
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You find it by going to the URL. So, groupname.deviantart.com/join. You can link people to it but that's it really. I wish that the "join this group" button took you to the join page.
Also wish the module itself actually worked, but that's another story.
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That's the point of this suggestion, really. The current Join page for a group isn't connected to anything unless you manually link it.
This suggestion was to, well, suggest that DA do something useful by letting you put the Join module on the main page of a Group or something.
Although this comment here regards just making the existing Join Group button link to the Join page is also a possibility.
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*delayed reply is delayed*
OK, well in that case, I agree completely, hopefully someone will fix this. If you have a super group you can probably mess with the HTML/CSS to get your join button to link there somehow but for normal groups
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Yeah, if you have a normal group all you can do is make a text link somewhere... which most people will just ignore.
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Yeah.... most people ignore the rules in general.
*Rant* For my group about half of the submissions I get are not even related to indie at all.... I ak them "Am I missing something?" And they're like "What, no? It's just a picture of my favorite cow!"
...then submit it to a cow group!
It especially bugs me when the piece is already submitted to ~30+ groups and the deviant doesn't even care when I deny it. I see the problem some people have with groups....
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I've gotten that occasionally. There's one group dedicated to a certain group of Transformers, and we make it very clear that we only want art featuring them... and yet people still sometimes submit non-related art. And I have another group where it's clear we only allow art related to TF webcomics, and we get some messups there too. :/
The biggest problem is when people don't even read whether they can join or not. The comic group above mentions quite clearly in the rules that we only accept as members people who have TF-related comics to submit; everyone else should just watch. And yet I think out of all the Join requests I've fielded, maybe a whole 2 or so have been from people who actually qualified to join. (I even have a generic "polite reject and explanation" I keep in an Opera Note so I can quickly copy and paste it, because it happens often enough.)
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I know exactly how you feel. I think part of the problem for me is that my group is partially labeled "Everything..." XD
Hahah. I don't have that problem - the power of automatic join! 
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Most of my Groups have automatic join, but that particular group is super-focused.
Actually, it'd be awesome if we could have the artists as contributors and the fans as members, as then I could do stuff like encourage people to create and submit fanarts of the various comics. But no, DA has to have that idiot limit on how many Contributors you can have.
Maybe there's a similar FF extension, although I admit a quick search didn't bring up anything. (I did find a few that let you take Notes, but none that seem to offer an easy way to fill forms with them, the way Opera does.)
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Ah, OK.
I see your problem. Why the limit? How high is it?
I appreciate the effort.
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I have no idea why, and, 99 "admins" (which includes Contributors for some unknown reason).
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Ah, OK. I pretty much find everything about groups confusing so... 
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Yeah. I like the idea way better than the old "Club account" setup, but it still needs work...
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Considering my deviant-age, I have no idea what you're talking about, but that's cool.
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Ah, whoops.
Back before Groups existed, people who wanted to create clubs would instead just create a normal account and invite people to note/link works they wanted to submit. It was really awkward compared to Groups (everything from password privacy issues to people faving the club work instead of obeying the instructions to comment/fave on the original artist's devation), and all the clamoring from club owners for something better was what prompted the creation of Groups.
Here's a club I know of offhand that never switched to the new system, to give you an idea: [link]
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Ah, I see. Thanks for the explanation. That sounds awful though...
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It was pretty awkward. For all its faults, the Groups system is still way better.
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Alternative idea; the "Join This Group" button would be a link to the Join page instead!
I was also so confused that it's nowhere obvious! It's the perfect widget and it isn't used anywhere unless both the group joiner and the group owner know about it and decide to use it.
dA, this is what we need!
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That's certainly possible too. I admit I like having the rules front-and-center, but if DA would prefer a simpler fix, your idea would be the best one.
I'm confused, too. I wish I'd known about the page back when Groups was in Beta, so I could have suggested something through devBUG. It feels like an idea that was going to get implemented but then was dropped unfinished for some reason. I'm amazed they didn't just turn it into an installable widget.
The Facebook share option is potentially handy, too. (Not for me personally, since I don't have a Facebook, but I could see many people using it.)
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Yeah, it would help a lot
Oh, yeah, it looks like that indeed. They could have finished it and put it to good use
I guess it would.
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Sounds like a good idea! It would certainly make running and easier, I think.
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Heh! Yeah, anything to get people to read the Rules more often. I keep having to reject Join requests on TransComics because people don't even read the requirements for joining, even though they're in bold right at the top of the page.
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