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I generally don't mind redesigns when there is a clear reason for it (example: ED209 in the new Robocop was developed as a military machine, rather than for domestic policing, so it was made to look more like a tank) but when stuff is overhauled just for the sake of it, throwing logic out the window along the way, it becomes irritating. Like when something that is clearly meant to be a turbine splits down the middle.I'm going to reinforce that last bit for people leaping to the design's defence: film is a VISUAL MEDIUM. If something LOOKS like a turbine, IT'S A F**KING TURBINE.
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Eh I'm saying they're vents. But that's just my opinion.Β
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Finally! Somebody that agrees with me about ED209
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THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is what I've been thinking this whole time!
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i dont really see whats turbine looking about the new design, did i miss some leaked image with fan blades or something?
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I am soooooooooo glad I am not the only one that feels this way. So many times I have had friends tell me to relax, it is only a tv show or it is only a movie. I get that continuity errors happen, but stuff like this drives me mental.
Conservation of mass is an issue for me too. If you want something to change shape, groovy, I'm cool with that, but if you want it to get heavier or lighter as well, then show me where the mass is going, otherwise it will annoy me. And you wouldn't like me when I'm angry (hint hint re the mass. sheesh. 15 foot tall and still weighs 80kg, or 6 foot tall and weighs 300kg. Pick one.. sheesh)
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I compiled and annotated several screenshots from the trailers and promotional art for the related video game: illun.deviantart.com/art/Star-β¦
The new design doesn't look anything like a turbine at all if you actually look at it close up. No blades, no cone, no spiral, no struts, nothing to suggest a turbine other than "it's kind of round". This version looks to be inspired by jet intakes (eg. c2.staticflickr.com/4/3476/400β¦ ), not jet turbines.
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Disney logic if you can split it you split it... 
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sounds in space *f** the logic*
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Okaaaaayyyy....If you're this worked up over the trailer maybe you shouldn't see the movie.
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I'm surprised nobody mentioned anything about thoseΒ aerofoils.
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well... that scene's going to need more lens flare.
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Yeah! We should have trusted George Lucas. That man KNEW aerodynamics. That's why he went around shearing off eyebrows; for safety's sake!
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Surely you mean McQuarrie engineering?Β Since, after all, the "new" X-Wings are just a direct translation of the ORIGINAL 1976 concept art by Ralph himself: www.yourprops.com/movieprops/oβ¦
Clearly not a turbine.
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No, that was four separate turbines.
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And this one isn't because...why again? I mean, I'm just asking for proof that the new X-wings don't have separate turbines.
A jokes a joke, but if your gonna insist the jokes meant as some sort of valid criticism on the design, better bring some goddamn proof with it.
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Who said I was joking? It's a viable design, because it's possible to make four separate turbines with a series of magnetic locks connecting them that disengage with the push of a button when you want to separate the wings.
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Huh; I thought the original did that, too. Must've been looking at the toy instead of the actual movie.
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Honestly, this little school yard slap fight doesn't interest me. I'm just hoping the final product is good. The trailer looks promising but I've been fooled before by Abrams' previous movies. I so want a new Star Wars movie to be good, offers some nods to the original trilogy without going overboard, give us a new story, and not be bathed in LENS FLARE!
I will say this, the new Star Wars: The Force Awakens trailer is a hell of a lot better than the Batman V. Superman: Dawn of Justice trailer.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwfUnkβ¦
It's like the heads of DC Comics/Warner Bros listened to Batman's original song from The Lego Movie ( www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqv_LU⦠) and took it seriously.
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Ah well. At least we had ONE wonderful day before the internet cynics got hold of it and told us how wrong we were to be excited about anything ever again.
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mhm, not gonna let it bother me too much though.
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I don't see how a turbine with the ability to split in half would work even before it split in half. It'd be like making a wheel and axle that can split in the middle, how could it spin in a circle if it is not a continuous circle?
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Maybe because the original one was actually four separate turbines that were designed to be magnetically locked together until the lock was disengaged, allowing the wings to split like that?
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That makes more sense.
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Dude...reptile organs in metal suits, weird monsters that make no biological sense, a strange magical force that anyone can manipulate because of crap in our blood, and THIS is what you wanna argue over ?
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It's almost as if it's science fiction
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THANK YOU...well technically science fantasy but STILL!
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I just now looked that up.
How did they manage to eff up something like that? Seriously, who designed that thing?
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But I shouldn't complain. The new droid is going to be a physical prop and not a CG model.
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Um, the turbines are made out of a hyperdimensional material so that 1/2 of it is always spinning 4th dimension?
Yeah, that's all I got.Β Β TBH I haven't been overly happy with the concept designs for the new movie, what with the beachball droid, thumb-drive speeder, and Tie fighters that look like they were remade out of aluminum siding.Β Β I would have much rather seen an EVOLUTION of the old designs, not the same designs made more shiny
That said, these designs still better than the crappy ship designs of the prequels where they had such brilliant ideas like "Let's make the Jedi starfighters triangular so they will be visually reminiscent of the later Imperial Star Destroyers!"Β Β The logic of which is like saying an superiority fighter design is later developed into a aircraft carrier/battleship. Β
Now the Clone Wars animated series, on the other hand, did an excellent job showing their takes on the original Y-wings and such.Β Those designers grasped the concept of how designs should develop and evolve.Β A pity JJ didn't get any of them for the next movies.
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well it might be 4 engines instead of 2
the old xwing had 4 so since these split up maybe they arent turbines?
they are just the intakes for smaller turbines
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well it's like when humans were first trying to get to space, there were many different versions that failed until they found one that worked...and many monkeys died....which begs the question...are ewoks the "crash test dummies" of the star wars universe? lol
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Hey Jack, these turbines can work pretty good in space.
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SciFi tech, tiny spaceships barely larger than cars that can fly faster than the speed of light, and this is your issue?
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i actually bought an official book of blueprints for the ships in the rebel fleet, and according to it, the X-wing uses fusion ion engines, so it doesn't actually need intakes, and like soulfreeze said, the compressor stages are much further back. apparently the thing that looks like a turbine on the original design is in fact the housing and nozzle for the retrograde thrusters and the gyroscopes, along with a set of cooling vanes to radiate heat.
this however,Β presents a whole other reason the the Abrams X-Wing wouldn't work, because firing your retrograde engines into what looks like half of a turbine rotor would not only mitigate most of the thrust but also potentially damage your spacecraft.
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Precisely and well said WolfScribble. But then again, no subject on Earth is beyond various degrees of satyr.
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And this is why it's called science-fiction.
It's not actually real Jack so it can work any way the film makers say.
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ChaosSepher, "this is EXACTLY what the X-Wings originally looked like..."
Um, no actually:
img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20β¦
www.blastr.com/sites/blastr/fiβ¦
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www.fantastic-plastic.com/Concβ¦
Looks like they split in the original concept art.
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this what they looked during the concept stage.
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Lol I love how he is having fun on this subject, especially since it seems to be a sensitive one.Β Wonderful cartoon jollyjack, and I agree with you, the design is for me rather confusing. I do like your point of it feeling a bit nonsensical and illogical. Also considering the X-wings already had a great design, its a bit of a shame that they ended up with what they have in my opinion. But oh well, you gave me a good laugh, and the comments, yeezz, lots of fun.Β
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true, but, intakes can be any shape you want, the first compressor stage can just be further down the duct. Why you'd have rotating drives for void-use sublight engines is a different question...
But like several have said, we are discussing details for a universe where "12 Parsecs" was stated as units of time.
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JJ, this is EXACTLY what the X-Wings originally looked like in the old movies and any other medium too. Β And it's a spaceship, it may have the aesthetics of appearing like a turbine closed, but the engines are nor ever were turbines.
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Actually, the original X-wings have two turbines on each side, one on each wing of the X, close to the body of the craft. Β This means they can't collapse into one wing like this, but it also means there isn't one turbine to a side that is getting split and therefore rendered completely non-functional.
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GI Joe had toys like this. It took me awhile to track down the trailer (-review, -missed, -analyzing....) But this could be an amusing little film. While JJA likes updating how things look, I actually do hope the Ewoks make an appearance.
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Are we really discussing the physical logic of a world where lightsabers are basically laser beams that somehow magically know how far to extend?
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They are superheated plasma.
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Question? IF it's Plasma in a containment field...then how do they cut thru most everything? Does the field have an opening? And if so, wouldn't the plasma leak and/or drip out?
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The heat from the plasma can go outside the containment field.
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