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The main villain of Deltora Quest against the main villain of the Bionicle universe. Who is truly the master of shadows?Related content
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I love this pair up. Army wise, they're as even as they can get. Shadow Lord has the Vraal, but Teridax has the Rahkshi. Shadow lord (maybe? I'm not sure if they're just wild) has the Terreocti and Teridax has visorak. Shadow Lord has Grey Guards and Teridax has the Manas. The only advantage I can give to the Shadow Lord is through the Ak Baba, which are DRAGON KILLERS, and the Old, because duh, but, you know, there's probably a rah or something and, well, they're all made of metal. In a straight out fight, we haven't really seen the shadow lord fight, but I'm sure it would be even. Teridax would never tire, and I doubt the shadow lord would get himself has such weakness. Teridax was able to outlast Icarax, the greatest and strongest warrior in the brotherhood, after fighting for days, and didn't even punch him. The shadow lord... Has no real equal so its hard to compare. And then theres the rahkshi powers and the shadow lords magic. Another one I'm too dumb to compare.
I feel Teridax would win, simply because while the Shadow Lord has back-up plans for every loss, Teridax has them but never needs them. He plans for everything. He was able to kill off every member of his species, planned every defeat, not counter measures if he lost, he planned to lose. While the Shadow Lord has planned to conquer an entire continent, Teridax has usurped the god of his universe. The only reason he lost was because he achieved his ultimate goal. He won. He didn't need plans after that, he could just kill anyone with a thought.
I would love to see that though. Two being that plan thousands of years in advance... that would be amazing.
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Actually, the Terreocti just come off as wild animals following their natural instincts. Though, the Shadow Lord is indirectly responsible for making them the apex predators of the Shifting Sands due to his Ak-Baba killing the Lapis-Lazuli dragons save for Fortuna. Makuta Teridax actually controlled the Rahi using corrupted Kanohi.
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Ah, good point. And lets not forget the Makutas inherent Rahi control power. Thank you for bringing that up.
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I vote Shadow Lord.
It's immortal, and never, ever, ever physically seen or confronted.
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Yeah, but here's the thing, Teridax has plans within plans within plans within plans as in, he has a strategy for everything even to the point he knows when, where, how, and why he's going to lose a fight.
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Yes! Yes!! So much yes!!! I want to see these two titans of shadows go head to head! That or Megatron vs Makuta.
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Makuta; As deadly as the other may be, he cant be killed by his own power.
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The name "Shadow Lord" doesn't refer to him having power over shadow. We never actually learns why he is called so, though it began with Deltorans calling him "the Lord of Shadows." He is an immortal being, more an it than a he by now, originally a human, or part Fellan part human sorcerer. He uses dark magic and is just as cunning as the Makuta. If fighting inside the GSR, or if Makuta had control of it in their fight, the Makuta would surely win, but without it I am
not so sure. He'd either eventually get crushed or escape. Another outcome would be them joining forces, but only to use each other.
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... Yep. This ends in either tie or Makuta's victory.
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By the way, no Makuta can survive getting their body destroyed. That is a common misconception. The Antidermis that makes up their body have to leave the body before it is destroyed. If it does not, it, and the Makuta, dies with the body. That is what happened to Teridax when the head of the GSR was hit by the fragment of Aqua Magna.
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Oh. Did not know that. Thanks!
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Jeez...that's a damn tough one...the Shadow Lord probably has the edge by nature, though. Honorable draw. They're both just too damn smart, and too damn powerful. Seriously, someone tell me any chessmasters better than them (except possibly Palpatine).
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Teridax is capable of coming up with back-up plans for back-up plans for back-up plans for back-up plans for back-up plans. Besides, I doubt he and Malverlain (yes, that is the Shadow Lord's real name) would get along anyway. As Teridax says "I have no allies. For I have no equals."
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I'd say that Teridax is better at planning on his feet. To be fair to the Shadow Lord, the primary reason that he doesn't is because his schemes were so neatly fitted together and fell into place as soon as the first one failed.
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A dame fine question, my good friend.
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*Nag* The Second Overlord from Overlord: Raising Hell, Loki, Sauron, Saruman, etc.
*Emerald* The list goes on and on about how many chessmasters there are. However, they are truly Masters of Shadow.
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And now I must face the obligatory firing squad for forgetting Sauron.
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*Nag* Oh, and not to mention Sauron's former Master, Morgoth.
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Teridax, he became a god literally. and besides becoming a being of pure energy whom has over 42 different powers at his disposal, he can also think of every contingency the shadow lord could bring up and more, with so many plots your brain nor his could even fathom it.
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I would more see these two working together that fighting, but still very interesting.
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Teridax wins by a landslide! HE IS A MOTHER-F***ING BIO-MECHANICAL GOD OF DARKNESS AND DESTRUCTION, HE HAS A LAUNDRY LIST OF POWERS, AN ARMY OF BAD@$$ES, AND HE JUST WON'T DIE!!!!!!
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Now, I'm going by the books here, but Shadow Lord all the way. Its dark powers are so advanced and so great that it cannot be destroyed. Makuta was killed when it merged with the Toa of light.
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He wasn't destroyed, basically Takanuva just had temporary control of their combined bodies. Plus he wan't as bad@$$ as he was supposed to be in the movies cause it was advertised to the younger fans. Anyway any time they destroy his physical body, he just comes back even stronger!
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Duly noted. However, as I stated, The Shadow Lord has developed its dark powers so far that you cannot call it 'he' anymore. It is patient, and a mastermind when it comes to planning. If one fails, then you're caught in the web of three others. And if they fail, then there are more already in production. It will never surrender, and it learns from every mistake.
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Same with Teridax, He's become more of an energy based spirit being inhabiting a metal body, He has a laundry list of powers including but not limited to...
-Accuracy - Could strike the smallest target at a great distance or in any environment or condition.
-Adaptation - Instantly adapts to take maximum advantage of any condition or situation.
-Anger - Had the power to turn even the Toa Nuva against one another in anger
-Chain Lightning - Controlled devastating bolts of chain lightning that leaped between multiple targets.
-Chameleon - Had the ability to become completely invisible in any environment.
-Confusion - Extended proximity could reduce even a Toa Nuva to mindless babbling.
-Cyclone - Had the power to create and control powerful cyclones at will.
-Darkness - Had the power to consume all light in a large area; only Takanuva's light was stronger
-Density Control - Complete control over own density and that of any object in physical contact
-Disintegration - Had the power to reduce even protodermis to dust.
-Dodge - Impossible to physically strike, no matter how swiftly or powerful.
-Elasticity - Could stretch incredible lengths in the blink of an eye.
-Electricity - Powerful electrical field could be controlled to surround or stun distant objects or creatures
-Fear - Had the power to bring fear to the hearts of even the Toa Nuva.
-Fire Resistance - Strong enough to withstand the heat of Tahu Nuva’s magma swords
-Gravity - Used gravity control to crush any object in visual range
-Heat Vision - Powerful long-range heat vision that could ignite any object within sight
-Hunger - Had enough strength to drain the energy of a Toa Nuva
-Ice Resistance - Impervious even to the cold of Kopaka Nuva’s ice blade.
-Illusion - Could create and control multiple realistic illusions anywhere within sight.
-Insect Control - Powerful enough to control and command an entire hive of Nui Rama.
-Invulnerability - Absolutely invulnerable to physical harm of any kind.
-Kraata Creation - Could create Kraata at anytime.
-Laser Vision - Fired powerful eye-beams that could burn through solid protodermis.
-Magnetism - Possessed magnetic powers strong enough to tear a slab of protodermis in two.
-Mind Reading - Powerful enough to invade the mind of a Turaga or Toa Nuva.
-Molecular Disruption - Had the power to utterly disintegrate any inorganic object with a touch.
-Plant Control - Had total control over any plants in the area.
-Plasma - Had the power to instantly melt any object into vapor.
-Poison - Dangerously toxic even to a Toa Nuva.
-Power Scream - Could shatter stone and could be heard all across the island.
-Quick Healing - Almost indestructible;could be used to heal the injuries of others.
-Rahi Control - Had absolute control over every living Rahi in the near area.
-Shattering - Could reduce even Protodermis to rubble.
-Silence - Aura of silence was powerful enough to temporarily deafen a Toa Nuva.
-Sleep - Had the power to instantly put an entire village into deep sleep.
-Slowness - Able to rob even a Toa Nuva of all speed as long as it remained nearby.
-Sonics - Blasted distant objects with powerful waves of sonic force.
-Stasis Field - Had the power to freeze a creature in near-permanent stasis through eye contact.
-Teleportation - Had the power to teleport itself through any wall or other structure.
-Vacuum - Had the power to create gale-force winds or instantly reverse their flow.
-Weather Control - Could manifest powerful, dangerous thunderstorms and blizzards at will.
And after taking control over the Matoran Universe, Teridax could access the powers of the Great Spirit Robot:
-Creation - Can create almost anything.
-Control - Can control the Matoran Universe .
-Weather - Can control the weather.
-Earth - Can control the ground.
-Stars - Can change the appearance of the stars in the night sky.
-Destruction - Can destroy anything in the Matoran Universe.
-Sight - Can see almost all things going on in the Matoran Universe.
-Teleportation - Can teleport any being in the Matoran Universe to any other location in the Matoran Universe.
-Flight - Can fly, with the help of the Red Star . he has over 1000 back up plans for every situation,
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But he was still destroyed in the end. The Shadow Lord is still alive at the end of the Deltora Books, and when you read its origins in Tales of Deltora and the Three Door's trilogy, you see the full scope of its potential. I can't list all its powers, as many of them were never shown in the books. However, from what was given, I still stand by the Shadow Lord. But only from the books; the TV Shadow Lord was pathetic.
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And that's what's called bad writers, or rather exchanging a good writer with a retarded one who can't seem to grasp the consent of continuity. Teridax's physical body was broken several times and he just kept coming back stronger than last time, so even if Mata Nui smashing his head into a moon rendered the giant god bod obsolete his essence would just leak out and find a new body and 'cause Mata Nui sacrificed himself, there'd be no one else who could stop Teridax. Unfortunately Lego ended there longest running and most successful series on a huge plot hole, just because they were not attracting new audiances because the series became to complicated for the younger audience. They could have handed the story off to D.C who did the comics for the Bionicle series to keep the fans happy, but instead they gave us a rushed end and a new series about retarded robot power rangers.
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I think what we can gather from this is that both beings are incredibly powerful, and a battle between the two would be catastrophic. So, how about we settle for a draw?
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I agree that both of them are very powerful. As much as I would love to say Makuta wins hands down, it really depends on the time and place of the battle. If it were just a single one on one fight with no help and only their abilities. Contrary to what many believe the shadow lord does have a body, Lief sees it near the end of his journey. He seems to need it otherwise he would have discarded it a while ago. If this is the case then he and Terridax have the same weakness in which they need a body to store their essence. Now we haven't ever seen the shadow lord fight in person and his destructive abilities are vague at best. So it would be impossible to call this.
If the Terridax tried to invade the shadowlands by himself. He would get quite far as his armor and abilities to dodge, heal, and have near invulnerability would make it very, very difficult for the shadowlord's forces to hurt him.
On the flip side the shadowlord trying to take destral by himself would be met by the most powerful force in the matoran universe. But once again is impossible to determine due to the little we know about him.
If the armies of both nations collided I am placing my money on destral. Rahkshi and visorahk would overwhelm forces such as greyguards and vraal.
Up until now I have been going off Teridax not in control of the Matoran universe. This is because the shadowlord would not stand a chance against him in matanui's body. Matanui's giant robot body stands at 40 million feet high. (12 192 kilometres) the diameter of the earth is 41 804 462 feet. (12 742 km) meaning his fists are the size of continents and he could push a planet into the nearby sun.
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Honestly I don't know much about the shadowlord, but from what I've heard in this the two of them seem pretty to be pretty match to eachother in power and armies, so I think It would come down to a battle of who's the better strategist, as though they were playing a game of chess. In Teridax's favor strategy is one of his strongest suits, planning for every feasible possibility, and if one plan fails he already has a new web of backup plans pre-planned
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ually his spirit live on and went to influence events latter on in the story line. He even was able to succeded in his plan to take over the bionicle univers...until a moon smashed in to the back of his head.
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*Nag* Technically it's a cliffhanger because Teridax is able to transfer his essence into anything and everything within the Bionicle universe. His body's been destroyed multiple times, and God Teridax being destroyed by a moon is no exception.
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Yeah, Book Shadow Lord all the way. To its anger and envy a thousand years is the blink of an eye.
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I love both of these villains as much as the next guy, but let's face the facts boys and girls, they are pretty much the same.
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*Nag* Quite true. You've pointed out many good points about Teridax's power.
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