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Inspired by Tomb Raider2Although there were not much blood spilled in the game, just thought why not to give it some realism. If I remember right the dudes also attacked Lara with crowbars, so gave her their own weapon as for change instead of the usual two pistols setting. Whacking pipe prop is from [link]
She doesn't wants to be liked. (sorry, I'm not making Lara pin-up)
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Love it, Classic Lara is the best for sure!!
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Thank you so much
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Being a classic Tomb Raider fan too?
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indeed classic tomb rider...cant separate tomb rider from my youth...i got older, games got more strange and i stoped playing them
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Tomb Raider was my first ever 3D game too and it became my favourite. I had almost 10 years of not playing any new games at all because of a dinosaur pc, it was able to run the oldies only, so I got used to not playing much games. I gave a try to the new TR games when I was finally able to play them, but they weren't half as good as the oldies despite of the fancy graphics and the characters realistic moves.
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yep...the exact same thing happened to me also i dont like the news either...i just play shitty flash games now
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New games are often nothing more than fancy graphics, easy, straight forward linear gameplay with not much difficulties.
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Omg!! that's the real Lara Croft! long time don't see that spirit in her...is a shame that Core exist no more ...anyway, I was a Lara's fan when she was herself, and know I'm so happy to see her again in one of your awesomewords!
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Another classic Lara fan 
Tomb Raider was my first ever videogame, and I still love the classics, and wanted to make a pict that fits her original tough adventuress self and nothing pin-up or crybaby stuff she was made into later.
I'm glad you like it
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I like the Tomb Raider games, but didn't wanted to make any of the usual depictions of Lara. Hehe guess it's not the favourite of people who expected pin-up content
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You mean you don't want drooling fanboys and a few backwards fangirls lusting after your art?
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Yes, I don't want drooling fantards, and also I don't like pin-up, even if producing tons of suggestive poses can make one get extremely popular, I find it pointless and not intended to make it.
On the other hand Lara Croft wasn't a posing bitchy covergirl, rather a female Indiana Jones and wasn't nice with people at all, it was Core Design that make her look bad with those pin-up CGI promotoional materials they released for fanboy-pleasing. Still people rather like her depicted as some seductive boobarella than the way she really behaved in the games.
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Yea I got the impression that she was supposed to be a female Indiana Jones as well, but there has been lot's of "sexy" artwork made of her. Some guys like made up women rather than real women though. Man-crushes on made up characters are to blame for a lot of that.
But what would disgust you more: provocative art of female characters to please the male fans, or provocative art of males to please the female fans?
Personally I would find the second much more disturbing.
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That "sexy" CGI stuff of her are at least standalone products and didn't affected the game itself, I mean she looks like a pin-up girl even on the game covers with a messed up anatomy with a worm-like upper body with no bones in her chest and giant boobs, each bigger than her head, but her character in the game didn't looked like that. After the success of the first game she was used for fanservicing, pin-up CGI of her printed even on lunchboxes just to please the wet dreams of the fanboys, the guy who created her even left Core's team as he was sickened of the defiling of his character and didn't wanted to assist that. I don't understand the man-crush on the old model of Lara Croft, she rather looked like a doll put together of simple geometric items, and the idolization of her proportions made her look rather hideous than sexy. That was a good score to Crystal they wanted to revive the Lara character with the sex idol image peeled off her, but they made their own character twisting too with their irresistible need for emotions, personal drama and pathos writing a whole soap opera around Lara, their character is more like a naive crybaby.
Both type of provocative art has no artistic value in my opinion, they're empty posing made for drooling, but I find male pin-up with those suggestive looking dudes posing in an effeminated fashion worse than the same thing with females.
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Yea I never found her sexy. She looked way to CG and polygonal. Sometimes I find videogame women attractive but they have to be rendered with realistic proportions. Been playing Dynasty Warrios 7 and liking some of the female characters. I don't fantasize about them or anything but I definitely enjoy looking at them. Anyways, the remake of her character sounds retarded. All that drama stuff is lams and doesn't really seem pertinent.
For the most part. Sometimes I enjoy pin up art of Marvel and DC characters. I think for cheesecake art it depends on the personality of the character. Some female characters are like that anyways (like she-Hulk and Rogue), and others are not (like Sue Richards). When they make art like that for a female character who would never act like that then it's out of character and it's like they are dragging that character down. But definitely I agree that the "provocative" art of male characters in feminine poses is the worst.
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And she was way too idolized too, her upper body had completely no realism as they made her torso way too thin and her boobs way too big, and she had no nose either, just a little bump in the middle of her face, the 1996's CGI looked doll-like but that was the best computer graphics of that age could made, but in later games the characters who appeared around her had much more realism while she was more out of proportions because of fan servicing.
Having a crush on her model is the same bizarre as being crazed with Jessica Rabbit.
Crystal Dynamics recreated her with more realism, they used motion capturing of a real model to create Lara, but they messed up her character by changing her simple treasure hunting adventures into a big family drama with an immortal arch enemy who screwed with her ancestors and now wants to take revenge, of course dimension travelling included, and too much pathos and too much emotions, Crystal is wrong to think it adds to the depth of a character when it's made into a naive crybaby.
True, some female characters are made up to be pin-up models by default like the heroines of Heavy Metal and Heavy Metal 2000, but other characters who're not like that just look horrible in seductive poses. Men in provocative poses obviously attracting a big crowd of horny women, but I think it's worse than doing it to female characters doesn't matters how popular it is.
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I never understood the hype about Tomb Raider or all the idiotic crushes. She wasn't woman enough for me to find physically attractive. The rendering and proportions were way too cartoony and unrealistic. To have a crush on a character like that would require way too much imagination. Imagining her as looking more human when she doesn't look that way at all. Actually I think having a crush on Jessica Rabit would make more sense, altough that would still be ridiculous.
That does sound really stupid. Why not just create a new character? I guess because the Tomb Raider Franchise is a good cash crop. If they introduced someone new it would take longer to catch on. Anyways I never much cared for Tomb Raider. I played a demo of one of the first Tomb Raider games and just ended up dying because once the enemied got up close to me there was nothing I could do to fight them off. What I like are hack and slash games like God of War and Prince of Persia. Also Dynasty warriors. I gotto have my Dynasty Warriors.
Right. As for men, I think part of the turn off is that men aren't supposed to pose anyways, unless it's a heroic pose (like what I did for my youtube profile pic) or a flexing type pose like Arnold Schwarzenegger would do. None of that "emotive" crap, which is inherently feminine and men end up looking gay when they do it.
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Aside of that it defiled the games too. It was quite sad Core fueled the fantardism around Lara by their own will. Core's games were way better than Crystal's, but their sex-idol promo stuff gave a bad reputation to the character.
Crystal is trying to make more profit of the franchishe, but they never succeeded to make any of their Tomb Raider games half as popular as Core's. Their desperate effort rather ruined Lara's character making her into a naive spoiled princess (maybe Crystal has a weakness for naive and sensitive heroes) the idea for the Croft family vs immortal tyrant demoness was very out of theme, and the messing up real myths was stupid, Core made up their own magical fantasy artifacts, but Crystal made up bullshit like Thor worshipped in Mexico and Thailand. The Tomb Raider title went downhills despite of Crystal's desperate efforts, they even tried a Warcraft-style TR which was pure ridiculous. Wondering if they'd risking more with making up a new title than with continuously failing with new Tomb Raider releases which are already beyond recognition.
I played the Two Thrones so far from the Prince of Persia games, but the fighting gave me hard times, had to restart the game on easy difficulty to be able to perform the speed kill, but completely failed with bosses.
Maybe a lot of women and girls are still rather in love with the idolized image of fairytale stereotype prince charmings, they claim to like tough men while it's actually these sissy coverboys they're crazed with or who knows what's in their minds, but these posing prettyboys are quite popular.
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One can only speculate as to their motives, but you would think that if the games aren't selling well they would go back to the original format rather than keep telling their own retarded story. I think that what happened here is the same thing that afflicts lots of good franchises when they go bad. You have new writers who want to put their own personal mark on the story, and they don't really care how it affects the franchise, because putting their own idiotic mark on the franchise is more important than making the most money off it or keeping the franchinse popular and succesful. So all sorts of stupid crap gets in that way, and the popularity of the franchise declines but they still think that what they did is cool because it's "original." It's sort of like the king with no clothes.
A warcraft style TR? How did that work?
Two Thrones was the worst in the series. It had the most ridiculous boss sequences and the weapons they gave you were no good. I also had to put it on easy difficulty to get through, but the first two games were pure win.
I think that women who like men who look like women are a little bit gay. You know we are seeing more and more homosexuality these days, especially with the younger generations.
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Guess all storywriters think adapting a story to their own image and tearing away from the original adds more "depth" to the characters and even surpassing the source material which is bullshit, the original features of the characters is what's they're liked for and people expecting them to be like that. I already got my own disappointment in Legacy of Kain when I played a SR-game for the first time, it didn't brought what I expected, and also hated the heavily altered characters, just can't see any Kain in Mr Green Orc, but at least they seem to be stopped with milking the title, Tomb Raider got it worse with the endless flood of new episodes which are more like the adventures of a random chick than Lara Croft. They're still working on a new episode, something survival game with bermuda triangle mystery, wondering if they'll make Lara being kidnapped by aliens when they have nothing new idea to milk the title with.
Guess that warcraft style TR was an epic fail, I didn't played it, even thought it was a joke when I saw the screenshots. Eidos/Enix even made that most desperate step to sell a bad game by releasing character skins from Kane & Lynch and Raziel and Mr Orc to replace the characters of Lara and some indian dude in the game with, I don't know about Kane & Lynch, but a lot of Soul Reaver fans are die-hard Tomb Raider haters, despite of that they jumped onto this crappy game to see the blue zombie and the orc on screen.
Was Two Thrones the worst? I bought it in trilogy edition with Warrior Within and Sands of Time in it, but didn't tried them yet. I was able to defeat the first 2 bosses in Two Thrones, but had not enough reaction time for the speed kill later on.
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I think in many cases they are delusional enough to think that their crap truly adds more depth. But most of the time I think they just want to put their own personal touch on it for the same reason a dog pees on a tree. They are leaving their mark for recognition, or marking their territory. It would probably be best for you not to follow Tomb Raider anymore. You should play God of War. It has a good storyline and lots of hack n' slash combat. You can pick up zombies and rip them in two.
Wow, that is really stupid. Talk about desperation.
2 Thrones was the worst. In the first two games your main weapon was a sword that actually didn't break. In 2 Thrones you just run around with that stupid dagger as your primary weapon and have to keep picking up new swords. Also, there are some really ridiculously long boss sequences in 2 Thrones where you have no checkpoints, so if you die you have to start all over again. For the speed kills you have to wait until the button appears that they want you to press. At least, that is how it works with the regular boss sequences work. Like when you fight the big jawless zombie in the stadium, you have to wait until the button appears on your screen and then press it. If you press something else first then you lose the sequence and get killed.
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Nope, I'm not giving a try to Tomb Raider games for a while, played the first one by Crystal simply out of curiousity, and the second one was the remake of the 1996's very first game (it wasn't bad if I don't count the stupid altering of the last chapters) and was curious about TR-Underworld too as that was the piece Eidos put all their hopes in it to save themselves, but failed instead. But I'm not giving a chance to any upcoming episodes, that warcraft style stuff was retarded by the screenshots, looks like the creaturs releasing all their random rubbish under a popular title just to sell it.
Yes, the no checkpoints were damn annoying in Two Thrones, had to retry several times killing that purple whitch as I had no idea how to knock her off. I succeeded to perform the speed kill with the jawless brute and also random guards and enemies, the moves slowed a bit and also had enough time to press the button, but not with the bosses later on, they gave way less time to react. I tried to configure the keys too if a different placement for that action button helps, but it didn't.
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I think that you should get into God of War. So far there have been 5 God of War games released and another is on the way. Kratos is a brutal character like Kain, but he's driven by somewhat different motivations. The storyline is good and the fighting is fun. God of War 1 and 2 came out for PS2, and the two interim games came out for PSP, but all of those games have been remastered and released for PS3. God of War 3 was released for PS3 in the first place and the graphics and gameplay are freaking awesome. There are parts of the game where you literally fight on top of a giant character, and crawl inside of one.
The worst boss sequence for me was the final one, and one other where you had to fight these two guys after you fall off a chariot. You just had to block and block and eventually hit them with your dagger and it took forever. I hated that so much. Anyways, I have the latest PoP game now but I haven't played it yet. We'll see how that goes. There haven't been any sequels made for it so maybe it wasn't that good. Anyways, I will be the judge when I play it.
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I checked up God of War earlier, but it's a no go for me, none of them were released for pc and I don't have a console. Sure I'd like a close-combat warrior game with a villainous character, that's what I liked about Kain too before Crystal ruined him with that green monsturd, but I don't think I'm going to buy playstation or xbox in the close future.
Yes, those two guys and the vizier at the end were a nightmare, cheated them with a savegame pack from the net (whoever made the savegame files didn't bothered with collecting health bonus, so had the short health bar the game starts with after using the save files to cheat the boss fight with the two guys) . The key settings weren't good for fighting by default, the speed kill was configured for the mouse, I always find it a bullshit when games are set up like that as the keyboard controlling needs both hands, but when I set the speed kill to the keyboard it was even worse to react in time.
The acrobatics weren't hard at all to perform, met the same in TR-Underworld, Crystal made it an exact copy of Prince of Persia.
I still didn't played the Sands of Time and Warrior Within yet.
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Too bad. I guess it's hard to buy a PS3 or Xbox when you have almost no income. I had to wait a few years for the price to drop before I got mine. Anyways Kratos never gets turned into a monstor (although people in the game are calling him one continually). "Monsturd" haha. Nice. If you ever make it to the US there are all kinds of games I can introduce you to. Most of them M rated.
I don't even know how those games would work on PC, but I can say that the first two sands of time games were much MUCH better than the third. The third I only got because of the first two. THe story is allright but the gameplay is not as good.
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That's just great, Tomb Raiders are one of my favourite game series (rather the classic ones than Crystal's version)
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Yes, that was exactly my problem with Legend too, it had a very nice start that reminded me so much to the classic TR3, but the chapters were damn short they ended before I could enjoy them, and Lara's weak and emo person did no good either, it was almost irritating how naive she was and Amanda kept on telling her off like talking to a stupid kid. Also each chapters were way too linear and the puzzles so obvious without any difficulty to beat them.
Underworld was entertaining to play, I just didn't felt it a TR game, was more like a random chick with an X-files style story (noticed Lara's moves in Underworld were exactly the same as Prince of Persia?
Yes, seen that survival game trailer, surely has a fancy graphics, but left me with the question: why is it called Tomb Raider? Maybe Crystal is too coward to dare making a game with a new title and an unknown character, while it could be a bigger success to make something new than swapping all games under the Tomb Raider title.
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I agree with you. Underworld seemed like the most successful of the new TR. It is a fact that the similarities with the older TR does not. But it's good that creators didn't jams at one point. This may will occur up to now,with the new "TR".. Undoubtely will enjoy it, but we can not expect anything about what would be expected from TR. Lara Croft is a strong character. Can not they just as easily invent others. Hence the afraid and I understand. But...hope
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Very nice! I remember TR2... honestly the first ones were the best.
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Yes, the classic TR-s were the best, only Chronicles felt quite like Core put something together of binned materials, Crystal simply wasn't able to make good TR games, the fancy graphics didn't helped once the story and the characters were off
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I never played many of the TFs after number three I think it was... I think I played one or two on the PS2 and decided I didn't like them and dropped the whole series. However the new TR looks interesting. They finally added some realizim to Laura.
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I liked almost all the classic Tomb Raiders (only Chronicles flopped) the Indy Jones style gameplay appealed to me, but found the new series took a damn different direction towards way too much emotions, too much pathos and drama.
Seen the trailer of the newest game, didn't looked bad and has fancy graphics at first glance, but wish they gave it a different title instead of releasing every game with a female main character in it under the Tomb Raider title.
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Hey, you made Lara Croft
I like the blood, makes the situation more authentic. I also like her expression, she really means business
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Yes, I love the classic Tomb Raider games, the only problem with the 4-5th games were Lara's voicing was quite girlish, but aside of that the classic series were fine
Thank you
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Old Tomb Raiders are great, and I always liked how Lara wasn't a typical faux-action girl like most of them had been before her (and after her, too)...
Okay, there's something wrong with Crystal Dynamics 
I like the way you have represented her as strong woman, like an actual adventurer rather than, as you said, a pin up model
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I love the guy's "Oh shit!" expression.
I liked the classic Lara much better,she would just shoot people instead of just standing there saying "Oh no,i'm female so i can't possibly kill the gigantic monster running towards me!" like she does now.
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Thank you
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Eeeerm... Nice!
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Yes, the game itself hardly had any bloodspill displayed, but hardly can make a realistic whacking in the head without some blood
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Heh, a good game needs some good blood 
But perhaps the makers wanted to be able to sell it to younger people, too 
Good blood means sadly "+18"
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Sure, the classic Tomb Raider didn't intended to be more serious stuff than Indiana Jones. Whenever people got shot or exploded to pieces there weren't any gross effects
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No really - I don't know what people have for a problem with blood. After all blood is blood: It's existing, it's bloody and it's important for survival (for a vampire of course in other matters than for a human 
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I think it's just the american standards that are too strict and overprotective, swapping the M-rating to 16 years when a game has graphic blood in it, or the mature filtering on artworks when artistic nudity (not the suggestive pin-up stuff) has to be filtered while kids here at 5th grade do learn about greek art for example with pictures of nude sculptures shown to them, there's nothing bad about that, and makes them grow mature and not to make a big issue or giggle at "prohibited content" when they're at 18.
I think games where a character enjoys killing like Kain did in Blood Omen 2 is what needs M-rating, but it was made for adults anyways, but Tomb Raider is completely harmless.
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Hah, Germany is even worse... But Germany is of course always overprotective
with its laws - they learned that from the U.S.
Hah, as long as the killing is no fun the char is in my opinion no fun either 
The story can be cool, but I really hate it when chars whine all the time 'cause
they had to kill someone 
However I can't imagine Lara to be like this
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Some characters killing for necessity, while others like Kain enjoying it with some level of sadism like when he kicked his enemies crawling on the ground, or grabbed them by the neck and whacked their faces or asses before finishing them off (although it was quite cool
Yes, originally Lara put down people or animals without feeling any remorse, her stories were quite simple, usually about getting an artifact which has magical powers before the bad guys could get it, and of course with a lot of puzzles and traps from the Indy films, those oldie games were cool, but since Crystal Dynamics revived the game, they keep on releasing watered down sequels creating a whole family drama around Lara and they made her into a soft and sensitive person, rather became a spoiled rich girl playing with guns than an adventurer she originally was. Or just Crystal is in love with emotive content and waaay too much pathos
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