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Description I had a stamp almost exactly like this uploaded back on !Heiderich-Luvur but it got lost when I was moving all my crap over here.

So I made another one because I think that this really needs to be said.

Those who don't like slash often use this as their primary argument -- the idea that changing the sexuality of a character changes the character entirely. A person's sexuality should never be a part of their personality, just as a person's hair color, ethnicity, religion or gender shouldn't define them.

Some say that that's the opposite, and yes, it's true that some personality traits are attributed to the above things, such as blonds being stupid, Christians being bigoted, girls being sensitive, and Asians being smart.

However, these stereotypes are often the exception rather than the rule. There are dumb blondes, yes, but there are very smart ones. And very dumb brunettes. There are wonderfully open-minded Christians and very close-minded atheists. I've known girls who want nothing to do with love and boys that cry at Disney movies.

So saying that, for example, making Superman gay for Batman, is changing both of their characters entirely is, in fact, a very false statement. Gay or straight, Clark Kent would still save the day. He would still work at the Daily Planet and have a secret identity. He would still be idealist and moral, wanting nothing more than the good of the world. Bruce Wayne, no matter his sexuality, would still be darker and more mysterious. He would still be as precise and angsty as he always was. And, furthermore, whether their relationship was friendly or romantic, the two heroes would pretty much still interact in the same way. Bruce would be cynical of Clark's idealist nature and Clark would always be trying to get Bruce to be more optimistic, just as they're doing for each other now. We both know that the characters are capable of love, thanks to Rachel (in Nolan-verse) and Lois. So there would be no character change whatsoever with Bruce/Clark slash.

Of course, there will always be those who change the character's personalities within their slash, and I'm not speaking for those people. We all know that Rorschach won't be leaving roses on Dan's doorstep, and Envy will probably never cuddle with Ed. That's a different situation, and that exists in het, too.

But saying that slash isn't even possible because it changes the personality of the characters is an erroneous thought process. I wouldn't be a different person if I was straight. I would still like the same things I like now. I would just be attracted to men rather than women.

So, to put it bluntly, 'gay' is not a personality trait.
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slasher123 In reply to ??? [2011-03-17 01:42:24 +0000 UTC]

exactly!!!!

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xXMoonOwlXx [2011-03-05 19:29:25 +0000 UTC]

"Envy will probably never cuddle with Ed." The truest words ever! It annoys me that Edvy tends to be full of fluff!

Gosh, this is so true! This is one of the reasons I don't like yaoi very much any more. I'm not going to read a fic where the characters are OOC just because they're attracted to membrers of the same sex. Especially how people think "the uke must be so girly!" Why does someone who's "on bottom" automatically have to act like a girl? Why is there some stupid thought that someone has to be "the boy" and the other "the girl" in the relationship in order for it to work?

I'm so faving this! Thanks!

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SkunkyToonTastic In reply to ??? [2011-03-02 18:51:53 +0000 UTC]

Oh god I wish I could Marry this stamp I love it so much!

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StealsThyme In reply to ??? [2011-02-23 14:24:10 +0000 UTC]

This, times infinity. Insta-fave.

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Fangirl-45 In reply to ??? [2011-01-23 00:50:46 +0000 UTC]

Thank you. I have read all these stories, and the same things happen everywhere. A surprisingly well-thought-out story about adopted children getting their single parents together. An amazingly dumb and uneducated fic about a girl who is a feminist in canon but is suddenly willing to spread her legs, and a divorced man can't figure out her double entendres. A silly poem regarding a young man's favorite part of his king (hint: it's actually his feet). A plot that is so very amazing and plausible, with a political marriage and a straight affair, and one of two friends who realizes almost too late that they love each other. Stories about the ghosts of former lovers haunting on both sides. Stories of blood and semen and knives that make me sick, because that character didn't have it in him to rape, but the girl from earlier didn't have it in her to be loose, though at least her man consented. Some people don't stop and ask themselves, 'What would a girl with pepper spray do here?'

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TrinityNight In reply to ??? [2011-01-12 08:41:25 +0000 UTC]

Thank you so f-ing much. I'm getting so sick of seeing the arguments of yaoi/slash/whatever else they decide to argue about.

~
And another thing, writing a slash fic, or drawing a slash pic, doesnt ruin your favorite character! Get over it! It's what other people like so stop complaining about it. Writing fanfics wont ruin your favorite character in the least bit. So please, do grow up and stop using that childish excuse for hating yaoi/slash.

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CQueenC17 In reply to ??? [2010-12-30 01:01:31 +0000 UTC]

Thank you! You don't know how many times I've seen this "argument" being thrown around and it drives me frickin' nuts when slash haters use this as "proof" for why slash is wrong. Definitely faving this.

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Joosh-Face In reply to ??? [2010-11-02 21:10:08 +0000 UTC]

I just find slashing in general weird... It doesn't matter if the characters don't act out of character at all, they can't suddenly turn gay.
Of course I'm only talking about the L4D series, do what do I know?

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Michael-the-Goat In reply to Joosh-Face [2013-11-30 17:32:53 +0000 UTC]

'Straight character'


My philosophy is 'bisexual until stated otherwise'.


Yukito from Card Captor Sakura could be bi, but only shows attraction to men in-series. That doesn't make him strictlyΒ gay. And take Sakura and Syaoran from CCS, who are both bisexual.


Also, Naruto in Naruto COULD be bi. Attracted to girls =/= straight.

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Joosh-Face In reply to Michael-the-Goat [2013-11-30 17:35:32 +0000 UTC]

Dude, that comment's three years old...

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Michael-the-Goat In reply to Joosh-Face [2013-11-30 17:38:22 +0000 UTC]

And that was a fast reply and I assume you stating that means your opinions have changed? : P

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Joosh-Face In reply to Michael-the-Goat [2013-11-30 17:39:40 +0000 UTC]

No not really. I'm just saying it's an old as fuck comment, why reply?

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Michael-the-Goat In reply to Joosh-Face [2013-11-30 18:14:11 +0000 UTC]

I don't check. So, what do you call a 'straight character'? For me, straight is when the creator has EXPLICITLY said 'this character is straight'

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Joosh-Face In reply to Michael-the-Goat [2013-11-30 18:16:46 +0000 UTC]

Anyone that shows attraction to the opposite gender. Like even if they hint at it once I say it's a good indicator they're hetero. I don't go out in the street and assume everyone I see is bi. I assume they're straight because that's the majority. I won't know if someone's gay unless they told me or I saw them with someone of the same gender. Same for fictional characters.

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Michael-the-Goat In reply to Joosh-Face [2013-11-30 19:30:39 +0000 UTC]

Well, think of Sakura from Card Captor Sakura

- We only see her crushing on Syaoran and Yukito in-series, but it is mentioned that pre-series she had a crush on her female teacher Kahou.

Or, oppositely, Touya from Card Captor Sakura

- In-series, he goes out with Yukito, but pre-series, he dated the very much female Kahou.

And Shinji Ikari from Neon Genesis Evangeleon

- In-series he shows affection for Asuka and Rei, but he ALSO returns the feelings of his friend Kaworu who loves him.

AND Itsuki Koisumi from The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya

- He is supposedly in love with the titular Haruhi, but flirts with the main character Kyon and in the books when the person they 'fantasise about the most' appears in a dream, Kyon appears in his.


All of them show attraction to the opposite gender. But they aren't exactly straight, are they?

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Joosh-Face In reply to Michael-the-Goat [2013-12-01 01:41:45 +0000 UTC]

All those characters are bi. I'm talking about characters that have shown NO attraction to the same gender. You just listed characters that show bi traits, which isn't helping your point here.

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Michael-the-Goat In reply to Joosh-Face [2013-12-01 10:59:35 +0000 UTC]

But that's not what you SAID, is it?


You said that you consider a straight character 'someone who displays attraction to the opposite gender, even once'. That doesn't look like 'someone who ONLY displays attraction to the opposite gender'


It's not helping YOUR case that you don't say exactly, specificallyΒ what you mean.

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Joosh-Face In reply to Michael-the-Goat [2013-12-01 11:22:30 +0000 UTC]

And you're twisting my words. I'll put it bluntly so you know what I mean. If a character shows attractiong to someone of the opposite gender, I assume they're straight. I'll only accept they can be gay or bi if they show attraction to someone of the same gender. If they ONLY show it to one gender, then I know their sexuality. If they show it to both, then I know they're bi. But I only go with what I see in the show/game/whatever or if the creator states what they are.

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Kellatrix In reply to Joosh-Face [2010-11-02 21:33:08 +0000 UTC]

I like to think of sexuality as something bendable.

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Joosh-Face In reply to Kellatrix [2010-12-25 23:21:19 +0000 UTC]

Also, I know this is from months ago but I stumbled into this stamp again... I say that changing a character's sexuality is changing a part of the character.

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Kellatrix In reply to Joosh-Face [2010-12-25 23:48:37 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, but in that mindset, one should never draw a character in a different outfit, because that 'changes' the character, too.

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Joosh-Face In reply to Kellatrix [2010-12-25 23:50:14 +0000 UTC]

Clothes doesn't matter. Making a straight guy gay does matter. XP

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Kellatrix In reply to Joosh-Face [2010-12-25 23:50:38 +0000 UTC]

Why?

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Joosh-Face In reply to Kellatrix [2010-12-25 23:52:21 +0000 UTC]

Well let's say there's a man, right. And he's married, and has children with his wife. Don't you think that him being straight makes his character? Cuz if he was day, he wouldn't have a wife or a kid.

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Kellatrix In reply to Joosh-Face [2010-12-25 23:56:18 +0000 UTC]

So you're saying that a wife and kid would dictate a character's personality? Cause I'm pretty sure I'd still be the same person, even if I popped one out.

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Joosh-Face In reply to Kellatrix [2010-12-25 23:57:43 +0000 UTC]

I'm pretty sure getting married and having a kid would change someone at least a little bit.

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Kellatrix In reply to Joosh-Face [2010-12-26 00:01:30 +0000 UTC]

Would it change, or would it reveal? The biggest thing that children give us is a maternal or paternal instinct. But we have that already; we just have no reason to unleash the hormones until the child is born.

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Joosh-Face In reply to Kellatrix [2010-12-26 00:02:44 +0000 UTC]

Well, I just think it changes what makes the character him/herself.

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Kellatrix In reply to Joosh-Face [2010-12-26 00:05:29 +0000 UTC]

And I disagree. I'm glad we had this conversation.

Well, I wouldn't say that I disagree, per say. I think it varies from person to person. But it's relatively easy to tell who would be majorly affected by it and who wouldn't.

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Joosh-Face In reply to Kellatrix [2010-12-26 00:06:40 +0000 UTC]

It can completely change a story tho if a guy's gay or not.

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Kellatrix In reply to Joosh-Face [2010-12-26 00:07:10 +0000 UTC]

Fanfiction as a whole isn't about following the story.

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Joosh-Face In reply to Kellatrix [2010-12-26 00:07:50 +0000 UTC]

I like the main story tho. :C

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Kellatrix In reply to Joosh-Face [2010-12-26 00:08:11 +0000 UTC]

Then don't slash. XD

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Joosh-Face In reply to Kellatrix [2010-12-26 00:09:34 +0000 UTC]

I don't. I just hate it when straight dudes are made gay, or straight girls are made gay, or gay guys and girls are made straight! Or whatever.

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Kellatrix In reply to Joosh-Face [2010-12-26 00:11:16 +0000 UTC]

And so I see that we disagree. XD All I'm saying is that, as a writer and developer of characters, if ANY of my characters' sexualities were changed in any way, I wouldn't care because I know it wouldn't change their personalities. And if their personalities were changed in fanfiction, that's not a product of slash; it's the mark of a shitty fanfiction writer. XD

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Joosh-Face In reply to Kellatrix [2010-12-26 00:13:09 +0000 UTC]

Reminds me of this video I saw a bit ago... Maybe you'll enjoy it. XP [link]

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Joosh-Face In reply to Kellatrix [2010-11-03 04:29:17 +0000 UTC]

Bendable? Whad'ya mean by that?

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Kellatrix In reply to Joosh-Face [2010-11-03 11:28:48 +0000 UTC]

I mean that I don't necessarily believe in 'purely straight' or 'purely gay'.

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Joosh-Face In reply to Kellatrix [2010-11-03 19:04:27 +0000 UTC]

Well, fair enough.

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Daaakota [2010-10-08 21:58:54 +0000 UTC]

Totally!

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Necromancer-Staff [2010-09-12 18:15:55 +0000 UTC]

Fo sho! I've been told I can't slash some two characters because one doesn't have a "gay personality".

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LithiuMem [2010-08-31 00:17:20 +0000 UTC]

Everything that was needed to have been said, Has been said.

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Rowanwolf [2010-08-19 14:09:37 +0000 UTC]

...

I couldn't have typed that better!

I hate when I'm looking through the comments (because I'm that type of person) and seeing people saying this like "OMFG!!!11!!@!!ELEVEN!! YOUR DISRESPECTURING DA CREATAH AND CHARAS!!11!@! STOP RAEPING MAH CHILDHOOD!w@!!@!~1 WAAAAAH!"

If anything they're disrespecting the creator by flippin' their shit at different views on fictional characters. Why do I see people being just fine when somebody pairs a male and female character together that have never met each other or have had no previous attitude that would suggest that type of relationship, but if it's two males or females they act like you shot Santa?

I seriously didn't mean to type a rant in your comments, sorry

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Shinobi-Kuroda [2010-07-30 02:07:11 +0000 UTC]

HI
YOU'RE AWESOME

xD No, this is really cool. I hate when people bitch about slash be evil cuz the charas aren't gay and BALH BLAH BLAH because they think being gay means, I dunno, rainbows. But in reality, some slash is just as in-character as het pairinga, sometimes even more so ( in thinking along the lines of Kirk/Spock here, xD) SO yeah. I agree with you.

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zhooz [2010-07-18 10:54:57 +0000 UTC]

I agree 100 %
keeping the boys in character is important!

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TinkerTrex [2010-07-18 10:00:08 +0000 UTC]

I love you.
I love that argument. There is nothing wrong with making one character gay for another, as long as the character is still the actual character and not in Name only

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SuffocatingRomano [2010-07-17 19:00:17 +0000 UTC]

I love you. I've met people who say Slash is the worst insult to the creator ever. I wanted to smack her, 'cept she was over the internet.
This is a completely sound argument.

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aliella-chan In reply to SuffocatingRomano [2010-07-17 19:16:09 +0000 UTC]

ditto.

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SuffocatingRomano In reply to aliella-chan [2010-07-17 19:17:09 +0000 UTC]

OH MY. You stalked me.

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aliella-chan In reply to SuffocatingRomano [2010-07-17 20:36:23 +0000 UTC]

|D I'm in a stalking circle.

What can I say? |D

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