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Kimorox — Cyrus did not suffered from psychopathy

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Published: 2014-10-18 04:18:48 +0000 UTC; Views: 1767; Favourites: 11; Downloads: 1
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Description Cyrus, the main villain from Pokemon Diamond/Pearl/Platinum really has imbued the minds of (most of) the ones who plays at least one of the games and even (most) people (like me) who only read on Bulbapedia and/or The Pokemon Wiki. His most notable characteristic was probably the fact he purposely deprived himself of emotions, especially empathy.
And that's the reason why some people portrays him as a psychopath.
And I really despise when people see him as such. Heck, even Shigekatsu Ihara (the creator of the Pokemon Diamond and Pearl Adventure! manga) got it like that!!
Of course I am not a psychologist, but it doesn't need a chief to know food taste like shit. He might have being insane, but I don't think psychopathy is the right diagnosis for him.
So here why I think he was not a psychopath:

Lets start by the most important point: The lack of empathy.
Here a quote from Cyrus:

"I see. You are indeed strong. And the basis of your power is your compassion toward Pokémon. How wasteful... Such emotions are but mere illusions. And, like all illusions, they fade over time until death banishes them forever. That is why I have abandoned all emotions as useless sentimentality. But that doesn't matter. I doubt you will ever understand my position. That said, I recognize that you are strong and courageous to come alone. This is your reward."

Psychopathy is the incapability of one to feel empathy towards others. Execpt that a real psychopath have this incapability from birth. He/she did not choose to be like: he/she is born with the incapacity to feels this. But Cyrus stated himself than he chooses that . He was still able to feel it, but purposely decide to ignore the pain of others because he thought it was the right thing to do. If someone did the feat to convinces him that this was not the answer, Cyrus would have care about the misery of others again.
Secondly, Cyrus stated many times thet humans emotions were a nuisance for the world, since, to him, emotions was the cause of all strife in the world (wich is partially true) and this was the reason why he wanted to destroy everything in it. If Cyrus wanted to destroy what was bad for the world, this means that the world did means something to Cyrus. In the case of a psychopath, however, it's the opposite: A psychopath don't gives a rat shit if the world is ok or not. At least that he/she can do what they want, its ok. Period.
All of this without mention that Cyrus obviously capable of knowning if someone is in pain, while a psychopath can't (Cyrus just would'nt have cared).

I might get some hatred bacause of this stamp, but I don't care. In my opinion, claiming Cyrus was a psychopath (unless you have a REALLY good reason to think so) just means you didn't get the deepeness of his character.

Pokemon (c) Gamefreak, especially Satoshi Tajiri and Ken Sugimori
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SphealLexJpFan14 [2024-03-31 21:03:46 +0000 UTC]

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RedStarMaster7 [2017-12-06 04:38:28 +0000 UTC]

You know who else is not a psychopath? Mario.

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BlazeAurora13 [2016-08-12 11:41:15 +0000 UTC]

I think he aspires to be like one, due to his eschewing of emotions and empathy.I had the same idea Risen had, that he was more of a self-made (for pretty much the same reasons) or became like one over time due to how he was raised and the ideology he formed, rather than a full-blown psychopath like Ghetsis was. I still think he has potential to be redeemed tho, since he's arguably even a more tragic figure than N.

I'd consider characters like Colress or possibly anime-incarnation Lysandre to be more sociopathic, due to the former's apathy, amoral nature, plus his lack of remorse in torturing Kyurem (He even states he'd even if interacting with Pokemon increases their abilities to a certain point, then he'd resort to scientific methods without conscience if it brings out a Pokemon's full strength.), and anime-incarnation's Lysandre due to his manipulative nature (tho for the moment, it's more anyone's guess since that arc's still going on.)

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Kimorox In reply to BlazeAurora13 [2016-08-13 03:17:56 +0000 UTC]

Interesting

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BlazeAurora13 In reply to Kimorox [2016-08-13 16:40:35 +0000 UTC]

Shit, my grammar looks so BAD in my initial comment, but if I may elaborate a bit further?

Cyrus would've probably just been the quiet, loner type if it weren't for how he was raised, instead of ending up a threat to the entire bloody universe. But since all he pretty much knew was his depression, resentment, and anger, he probably came to the conclusion that these were humanity's base emotions and him/everyone else would probably be better without them. But he gets redeemed in two (canon to their own universes, but chances are very likely we get DP remakes after SuMo's release so it may change for the games as well) manga series after he realizes this is not the case. (Meanwhile, we have the actual psychopath who goes full-blown catatonic after not being able to comprehend losing twice since he views himself as perfect. I think N's offering redemption was the final nail in the coffin, considering how he viewed the kid.)

(Also, I tend to get a few raised eyebrows when I mention Colress feels like he could potentially be a sociopath. I just don't think he's an actually malevolent one, more self-interested in his own goals and doesn't really give a fuck about anything else. He also shows a manipulative side too, since he's willing to play nice to his Pokemon, but if this only gets him so far, he is still willing to use unethical, possibly dangerous--whatever he means by a scientific method without a conscience--scientific methods to increase their power. It seems like towards the end tho, he learned that interaction was the better method, but either was was cool with him and doesn't come off as remorseful about this either...if anything, he's his usual, cheerful self.)

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TheRisenChaos [2014-12-07 16:40:49 +0000 UTC]

I like to think of Cyrus as a self-made psychopath, actually. Though technically he's a psychotic rather than a guy suffering from full blown psychopathy. Still, a psycho is defined as: a person with a psychopathic  personality, which manifests as amoral and antisocial behavior, lack of ability to love or establish meaningful personal relationships, extreme egocentricity, failure to learn from experience, etc.  That all sounds like Cyrus to me. He's horribly amoral and antisocial, he writes love off as an illusion of the faulty human heart (as your quote shows), has no meaningful personal relationships (he sees each and every member of Team Galactic as tools, nothing more), and he refuses to learn from his mistakes in the end. (Or in the case of the DPA manga, it takes repeated incidents of exposure to things and people that are disproving of his warped ideology that finally straightens him out.) 

My issue is from people who call him a sociopath. That label perfectly applies to Ghetsis, but not to Cyrus. Cyrus was capable of seeing a world that didn't revolve around himself, even though his entire plan was to make the world do just that.

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Kimorox In reply to TheRisenChaos [2014-12-07 21:14:27 +0000 UTC]

Him having a psychotic personality makes sense, but I can't see him as a psychopath since he acutally choosed to be like you mentionned. A self-made psychopath, like you say, is way clever in my opinion.

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TheRisenChaos In reply to Kimorox [2014-12-07 22:50:49 +0000 UTC]

Thanks! And I definitely believe he's the kind of guy who can LEARN to empathize and socialize better with others. The game didn't make him out to be entirely irredeemable, and two manga actually redeemed him. Then there's the anime, in which he got an ending that I REFUSE to acknowledge as being remotely within his character.

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TiredEspurr [2014-10-18 19:21:27 +0000 UTC]

I absolutely LOVE Cyrus's character!  It baffles me how people don't take the time to look into it....

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Kimorox In reply to TiredEspurr [2014-10-19 01:15:08 +0000 UTC]

Ah ah same here!!

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Jmk98 [2014-10-18 14:13:04 +0000 UTC]

Who?

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Kimorox In reply to Jmk98 [2014-10-18 15:51:08 +0000 UTC]

Cyrus

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