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Ummm, sorry to correct you, But that's actually just a superstition. Sheep will move for any dog. Look at the Maremma Sheepdog, or the Kuvasz, or the Komondor. All of them are white, and the sheep almost always follow them. But it is true that most White Border Collies are frowned upon, and sometimes shot, but its not because the sheep won't move for them. It's because of the Shepherd's Ignorance.
And not all white dogs are blind/deaf. It is either their genetics that make them blind/deaf, or they're Albino (and not all albino animals are blind/deaf).
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It's not a superstition, I've trained enough white borders to know that it's most certainly true. For whilst sheep will move off them, it's a lot harder than if the dog had a coloured face (which you see a lot of triallers doing so, colouring in white dogs faces with dyes or markers [that are safe to use on animals]).
I never said they were all blind and deaf. Albinoism doesn't cause blindness/deafness, it's the gene caused by crossing two merle dogs together which results mostly dead puppies and white deaf/blind pups. If you don't get either and are superduper lucky you get normal to a level dogs, otherwise you get dogs carrying the gene that will result in what's happened in the working breeds I'm talking about here. At some point a shepherd has crossed two merle dogs and BAM his white ones, whilst being pretty, fail genetically bigtime.
Now. Learn to not flame people, it's rude. Nice little discussions over notes are much more classy and make you seem less like an undereducated child.
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I'm sorry. I did not mean to be rude. I will admit I don't have a filter, and often find myself in these situations. I was simply trying to say what I had learned, and seen with my own eyes. So please, accept my apology.
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Thankyou very much, don't worry about it
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I'm sure she wasn't actually aiming to flame you
To her comment, though - by breeding merles, you don't get an albino, even if that double-merle should be all white. Well, you can, but the chance is only as high as with any other color. And actually, you can get the whole litter tricolor, too, right? Even when it's highly improbable
(dude, why do I always butt into other people's business? ...oh yeah, I remember - this time it was easier to reply to this one than write a new one so similar. Sorry I didn't write a new comment, anyways D: )
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Just wanted to put this out there, I'm not a girl. My name is Jacob.
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Totally alright. It's not the first time people have mistaken me for a girl. For some reason, unless I have told them, they automatically think I'm a girl. It's really funny to see their reactions.
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Yeah, well... it's because they are ALL girls out there, I swear!
But usually when I feel that the person could be male, I rather check their profile, but... I didn't this time. Sorry
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That's hilarious. The one time you go against your instinct, and it turns out you were wrong. That is too funny!
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Sorry to correct you too, but Kuvasz nor Maremanno-Abruzesse nor Slovakian Chuvach nor Komondor were bred to herd - they were bred to protect the sheeps.
I heard that sheep is scared of merle-colored dogs (I have a merle sheltie and heard that from a girl that went try herding with her merle Collie), but I'm sure that the sheep can get used to it.
With the other things, I gotta agree. And I don't really think that the spotted coat is genetically possible.
Anyways, I'm sorry to see all those white dogs in this deviation when there are SO MANY of available Bordie colors those actually ARE able to show and herd and usually are completely healthy.
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I can find some photos of the spotted coat colour if you would like
Patons Freckles was, as name suggests, flecked ^^
Mind you, before I met him I ever believed it was possible either. Mind you, remember that it's not like a dalmatians' spots, it's flecking/ticking like you see in white horses with red or black flecking on them ^^
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That would be awesome! I don't like saying that something doesn't exist when someone else has proof that it does
Yeah, but Dalmatians have the same spots as pointers or German Pointers or Australian Cattle Dogs, only highly specialized (or how to say it in English). But I don't really know horses that well, so... mind explaining further?
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[link] the flecking is the little dots c: It's like someone putting paint on a brush and flicking it so that little spots spray everywhere, or 'flecks' are everywhere ^^ The horse was just an example of colour ideas, it's obviously no where near the same gene xD
Now I'm getting a little confused, so spots as in blotchy spots? Here I'll just throw in a heap of photos I took of the same blood line of dogs xD
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Here's a little that was by a white bitch with red flecks (in the background, the dark makes her flecks look black sorry) and a flecked dog. It's produced a tri-colour, a splotchy type, a sable and a white pup. The white pup has thrown back to merle lines waaaay back (we know it's not albino as it has the black nose and has a few black spots on it), and the pup in question was deaf.
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Ignore the red dog xD The bitch next to him is splotchy and flecked.
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Splotchy bitch
Those were what you were after?
There may be some more in my gallery ^^ If there's some other type you're looking for, I'm going up to a trial soon with the breeder of this line, so I can get photos of whatever type you're looking for
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Yeah, I guessed you meant that horse color.
Though the puppies remind me more of Farm Collies than usual Bordies, but I know that working lines (registered by the International Sheep Dog Association or what was it) look quite different from show lines.
Well, but merle gene is dominant. You sure it isn't that kind of albinism where the dog has a bittie bit of pigment left and thus has blue eyes, too? (I can't remember the name of the gene and my book on genetics stayed back in the city I study in) I know there are some rare occasions that merle is partly dominant, thus can appear again after few normally pigmented generations, but rare occasion is rare D:
Well, splotchy dogs are common I'd say, but they usually have also bigger parts of dark on them. Unlike that blue-eyed bitch, she is gorgeous
Basically yes, that was it. Thank you
Um... I hope I'm not late, but 2nd line, right dog & last line, left dog PLZ? *w*
I envy you hat you can go to trials. We don't have those in my country, I think. I'll be really happy when we get to the sheep at all with my Sheltie pup
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Ahh I'll have to get you photos next time I see the dogs (since I just got back from being up where they are), but I know at least two dogs with those exact markings xD
Hehe so fun to do sheep work with Shelties <3
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Ah, okay. It's not like it was rushing :3
Thank you ^^ too bad we'll probably gotta wait till spring, though
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Well I wasn't sure whether the Kuvasv, Komondor, of Maremma were herders or guardians. The more I look it up, the more it changes.
But I do agree with you. It is sad that there is so many Border Collie colors, and no one even think about them
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Yeah. But still - the sheep live with them, too, so the dogs can't scare them off, right?
Bordies are beautiful~
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wow, i didn't know collies came in this many colors! i learn something new every day. 
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The white ones are really beautiful.
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They're usually deaf and/or blind, though.
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I never knew border collies could be mostly/all black. I'm starting to wonder if my dog is a black BC and not a mix.
Great work with the color chart!
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I never knew there were black ones either...
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If you have a photo I can have a look and try to tell for you?
Thankyou ^^
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There are some other pictures of him in my gallery. I think he might be a little too big to be a pure border collie though. He weighs 58 lbs. Thanks for looking!
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Working Border Collies come in a huge range of looks, so it is entirely possible that your big boy is a BC.
Heck, my older boy is 55 pounds, and taller than most BCs I know, and I have his pedigree going back to Wiston Cap.
Kimptone, how pretty! I always love it when people celebrate the other colors/markings of BCs. People often don't believe me when I say that my R&W traditionally marked boy is a BC because "they only come in black & white and fluffy!". lol!
You probably already have this website, but just in case you don't it is a great resource for colors of BCs. Has tons of photos.
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Well he looks like one to me, but 58lbs is a lot and he doesn't look overly fat 
If you ever find out do tell me, though xD
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Ok lol. Sorry! You did good though, the b & w is marked quite like my collie and if the black had a white blaze it would be like my old collie
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Red merle is kinda...
impossible to draw for a border collie D:
Australian Sheperds come in red merle, but I have to admit, i've never seen a red merle BC.
The genetics behing red merling is a black dog with red on top basically, so a red merle collie would just be a 'chocolate' collie if I remember rightly.
And five people have already told me i've forgotten colours.
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Yes, red merle are chocolate. And since we know choco & white and brown & tan dogs, it is possible for Bordie to be red merle. And even be of show quality (for FCI at least)
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No, red mere border collies do exist. Their genetics are the same (colour wise) as the Australian Shepherd's.
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Wow, i didn't know there where so many! My fave is still the black and white one though,
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Not always D:
I need to re-write that :c
Pure white ones (be it albino or just lacking pigment) are generally put down due to deafness/blindness, and if it's a sheep dog, the stock usually won't move off the animal.
I know a lot of white working sheep BCs, however, that are prize winners at 3 sheep trials.
If you breed a merle dog to a merle bitch you get a white, deaf, blind puppy. These are real bad mutations, however.
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ohh, I see. XD Well that's good to know, thanks.
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You forgot my border collie- he's blue merrill border collie and is a pure bred, show worthy. I think theres a picture of him in my gallery (and my mini felted version) His coloring would go very well with your chart too :]
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LUL I forgot blue merlll xDDD -dies-
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Yeah well eh P:
People make mistakes~
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Neat. I've always wanted to do a color chart, this one looks excellent. Very clean and clear images. You forgot blue merle, though. I always thought sable was the same thing as red... guess I learned something.
Nowadays, at least in the United States, white border collies are not usually shot as they are more often used for agility or frisbee than shepherding. They just can't be registered for breeding or showing, like you said. That might be a comforting thought, to know they're not shooting perfectly good dogs for fear of an old superstition.
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Ahh I knew I forgot one xD No, sable is a slight variation
Oh, ofcourse people here use white dogs for agility, and other things that Fun Sports (I think they're still in charge?) run
It's not a superstition. We don't shoot perfectly good dogs over stupid old wives tale :/
If you put a white dog on sheep, the sheep (being colour blind) wont react, and quite often will attack the dog. A white dog simply has a hell of a lot of trouble working sheep. So for herding, white dogs (although flecked are semi-common as they usually have black around the eyes) are usually sold to a non-working owner. If they can't find an owner for the animal, suddenly they have a dog they can't use that's taking up space and money. Not to mention white dogs usually have hip displacement, blindness, and various other problems. White is a bit of a gene deformaty
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Yes... like Fatal White Syndrome in horses.... I see.
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I didn't know there were so many different colors!
I like the one in the top right corner
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Hehe.. we got 4 border collie and thay are like the one in the top to left..
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