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Published: 2009-08-30 23:26:31 +0000 UTC; Views: 3969; Favourites: 66; Downloads: 50
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Description This is an image of the half elven twins – Elrond and Elros. Both had to decide whether to live as elves or as humans. Elrond chose to be an elf. However Elros chose to be a man, and became a mighty Lord of the Edain. Although his lifespan was much greater than modern men, he was mortal and unlike an elf he would truly die. I wanted to make an image that showed them after their choice - that showed the physical changes and differences between them, and also the sadness of their increasing separation which would of course become total when Elros died.

I started work on this over three months ago, when I saw the two wonderful sets of Lindowyn’s stock using the same model. However I just couldn’t find a background to make the image work. I finally decided to make my own very complex build in order to express the themes.

I built the arches from a base photo by the incomparable Elandria. I altered the shape to a more gothic arch, and created a bricked off alcove behind Elros. By contrast I’ve totally opened up the arch behind Elrond. I’ve added a shot of a mountain to represent distance both in place and in time – the folds in the mountain make a path winding up behind his shoulder. The foreground is a mix of a photo of my own back yard, with the small half hidden statue, and a multiple cut-paste effort to quadruple the size of the grassy clearing in the base I used for Elrond. I wasn’t that keen on the artificial ear the model was wearing so for Elrond I made my own ear, and also removed his ear lobe.

Details & Base images [link]

CREDITS
The arches [link]
Elrond [link] ; Elros [link]
Model for both twins

My own photography
Garden - [link]
Mt Egmont/Taranaki - [link]



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Comments: 76

tine55 [2011-06-16 20:19:30 +0000 UTC]

good work

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FaerielDeVille [2010-01-30 14:17:24 +0000 UTC]

nice, nice, nice

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werewolfvampbella [2009-12-22 13:54:37 +0000 UTC]

7, maybe 8, kinds of awesome!

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TerraRhapsody [2009-11-10 14:29:44 +0000 UTC]

Nice work! A lovely use of stock and a great scene as well.

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Glorrosaelin [2009-09-21 00:02:09 +0000 UTC]

Finally a picture of the two! I've been looking for one. Really nice.

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kiwidoc In reply to Glorrosaelin [2009-09-21 01:46:32 +0000 UTC]

I'm a bit partial to gorgeous male elven twins

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Glorrosaelin In reply to kiwidoc [2009-09-22 00:26:16 +0000 UTC]

'Tis a pleasure. Yes, I like Elladan and Elrohir alot as well as Elrond and Elros.

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kiwidoc In reply to Glorrosaelin [2009-09-22 01:44:24 +0000 UTC]

Those two are definitely on my long list of pictures I am going to make - eventually

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Valedhelven [2009-09-11 02:34:17 +0000 UTC]

This one is Featured this week, too??? It's official - I guess I'm a fan!

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kiwidoc In reply to Valedhelven [2009-09-11 03:28:07 +0000 UTC]

It's official - I luv ya!

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Valedhelven In reply to kiwidoc [2009-09-11 03:47:06 +0000 UTC]

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kiwidoc In reply to Valedhelven [2009-09-11 13:53:36 +0000 UTC]

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RavaT [2009-09-05 20:12:55 +0000 UTC]

Awesome...

but I have a little critique... Both characters look like pasted in, dunno if it's the too clear-cut borders around the hair...
I think it's the lighting between background and characters that don't fit perfectly...

(Not that I would be able to make such an awesome photo-realistic art...)

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kiwidoc In reply to RavaT [2009-09-05 22:03:11 +0000 UTC]

Thanks muchly. I have added a lot of wisps and extra curls to the edges of the hair, but it doesn't really show at the lower res version I've put up on DA - and the high res version is WAY too big a file

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RavaT In reply to kiwidoc [2009-09-05 22:26:21 +0000 UTC]

*ponders*
Maybe add some extra for the low res version?

I sometimes realize different res versions need such different treatments XD

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kiwidoc In reply to RavaT [2009-09-05 22:55:54 +0000 UTC]

I think I'm happy with it as it is. What you may be noticing is the difference in skin texture between the brothers - but that is deliberate. I'm trying to show the start of the physical differences between human and elf.

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RavaT In reply to kiwidoc [2009-09-05 23:39:52 +0000 UTC]

What software did you use anyway?
Some Raytracing?

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kiwidoc In reply to RavaT [2009-09-06 00:25:49 +0000 UTC]

It's all done in photoshop - with a mouse. I can't afford anything else.

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RavaT In reply to kiwidoc [2009-09-06 00:40:53 +0000 UTC]

Wow... *is amazed*

Yes, I saw some amazing stuff done with jus a mouse.

Me utterly fails drawing with the mouse. All lines get shaky and such XD
(I got two optical mice... the other optical one os already a goner -_-)

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kiwidoc In reply to RavaT [2009-09-06 02:29:04 +0000 UTC]

I have to stick to photomanipping because my hands aren't co-ordinated enough to draw from scracth either with a mouse or a pencil

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RavaT In reply to kiwidoc [2009-09-06 08:56:03 +0000 UTC]

Well, the result counts, and you have skill.

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kiwidoc In reply to RavaT [2009-09-06 12:57:11 +0000 UTC]

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RavaT In reply to kiwidoc [2009-09-06 13:29:31 +0000 UTC]

It's true.

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kiwidoc In reply to RavaT [2009-09-06 13:31:34 +0000 UTC]

More blushes adn smiles over here

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RavaT In reply to kiwidoc [2009-09-06 15:46:05 +0000 UTC]

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LadyElleth [2009-09-03 13:16:24 +0000 UTC]

This is wonderful - almost realistic (meaning that it could be a photograph), and I love the use of the same model as twins, with different concepts behind them. And of course the story of Elrond and Elros is especially poignant.

(Incidentally, I used the same stock as the Elrond one for Amrod and Amras. Gmta? )

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kiwidoc In reply to LadyElleth [2009-09-03 14:04:27 +0000 UTC]

Thanks muchly - for images like this photorealism is very much what I am aiming at, so you've made my day The story of Elrond has so much heart ache in it - I am sure I will return to it over adn over.

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LadyElleth In reply to kiwidoc [2009-09-03 14:26:52 +0000 UTC]

You're on your way! Personally I love that style, perhaps because I can't do it very well - so mine always ends up looking all mix-and-match until I start texturing.

I'm looking forward to seeing more from you - especially Elrond. He is so underrepresented in fan art generally, so it's good to see someone taking a liking to him.

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kiwidoc In reply to LadyElleth [2009-09-03 15:07:33 +0000 UTC]

In my naughty days when I broke copyright left right and centre I did a lot of Elronds I'm semi-planning a Celebrian. I'm practicing some techniques I'll need to use on another pic as we speak

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LadyElleth In reply to kiwidoc [2009-09-03 17:54:38 +0000 UTC]

Aw, come on - most of us broke copyrights, I'm sure. I know I did before I discovered stock images, even if I never published those things anywhere.

Celebrian? Awesome, would love to see that, and also looking forward to your next manip. *goes to watch* If you need help, let me know?

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kiwidoc In reply to LadyElleth [2009-09-03 18:40:55 +0000 UTC]

It's going to take a while before the current one gets finished - I am trying to resuurect my skills in making scars and wounds in high res pics *wipes sweaty brow*

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LadyElleth In reply to kiwidoc [2009-09-03 19:38:46 +0000 UTC]

That sounds... ominous. But intriguing!

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kiwidoc In reply to LadyElleth [2009-09-03 19:55:55 +0000 UTC]

Well what happened to the poor lady was very ominous indeed

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LadyElleth In reply to kiwidoc [2009-09-03 22:00:53 +0000 UTC]

Oh. I didn't know you were going to manip her. Sorry, the penny took a while to drop. Good luck either way? And my offer for help still stands.

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kiwidoc In reply to LadyElleth [2009-09-03 23:48:41 +0000 UTC]

I can only do photgraphy and mannipping - I'm utterly hopeless with pen and paper, or with a mouse and Photoshop

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LadyElleth In reply to kiwidoc [2009-09-04 09:31:15 +0000 UTC]

Hopeless with a mouse and Photoshop? Then what are you using for manipping?

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kiwidoc In reply to LadyElleth [2009-09-04 10:48:02 +0000 UTC]

Ahh - you haven't seen my attempts at painting The thing with manniping is that you can get away with hands that are perhaps a bit shaky, or not quite doing what you tell them to

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LadyElleth In reply to kiwidoc [2009-09-04 11:26:15 +0000 UTC]

Yes, very true. Was just wondering since I usually use a mouse and PS for manipping, with or without shaky hands.

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kiwidoc In reply to LadyElleth [2009-09-04 11:40:35 +0000 UTC]

Today I haven't just got shakey hands, I can't get my brain to work

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LadyElleth In reply to kiwidoc [2009-09-04 11:53:09 +0000 UTC]

There are days like that. Don't worry, have a cup of tea, and it'll go alright. Personally I'm finding it problematic to find stock for my latest project... not a good day all around?

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kiwidoc In reply to LadyElleth [2009-09-04 13:03:02 +0000 UTC]

Sometimes you just have to sit and roll through page after page after page of stock to find what you need ... it's a bore adn a pain. It's probably wiser to see the stock and then design the project but we never seem to do it that way round

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LadyElleth In reply to kiwidoc [2009-09-04 15:07:58 +0000 UTC]

That's definitely the case with some manips - though don't you ever see an image which you just have to use, regardless whether or not you found the rest of the stock you'll need for the final manip?

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kiwidoc In reply to LadyElleth [2009-09-04 15:35:58 +0000 UTC]

Oh yes - some stocks leap off the screen and grab me by the ears, demanding to be made into an image ... and then I spend many, many hours hunting for the other bits ... or worse, teaching myself the extra skills I need to make the image (which is days not hours - or even weeks!)

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LadyElleth In reply to kiwidoc [2009-09-04 18:37:46 +0000 UTC]

That sounds so very familiar, though I do admire you for your thorough approach... I usually just grab a tutorial, follow the steps and then forget about it again unless it will be a handy skill to keep, so actually teaching yourself - wow!

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kiwidoc In reply to LadyElleth [2009-09-04 21:14:40 +0000 UTC]

I use tutorials to teach myself - and it takes ages as my memory is so bad. I've only had the patience to tackle a few things - like learning to paint some extra bits of hair for myself, or doing some serious experimenting with layer blend styles.

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LadyElleth In reply to kiwidoc [2009-09-05 02:08:39 +0000 UTC]

Some of the best results always happen through experimenting. If I hadn't gone crazy with texture images and blending styles, I don't think my style would look as it did today, so patience and repetition and experimentation are probably the best ways, in addition of following tutorials. Don't give up.

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kiwidoc In reply to LadyElleth [2009-09-05 12:40:33 +0000 UTC]

My hubby is a woodturner, and he always said if you aren't breaking things and making bowls that a re crap everyso often you aren't trying hard enough. I think it's the same with us - if we don't try some things that end up looking god awful we aren't stretching ourselves enough

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LadyElleth In reply to kiwidoc [2009-09-05 17:07:29 +0000 UTC]

Your hubby is very right about that. Without constantly pushing ourselves and trying hard, we're hardly learning anything. After all, practice makes makes perfect.

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Sirielle [2009-09-02 21:04:33 +0000 UTC]

I'm not a fan of Quendi with pointed ears but you did a good job here, Elrond looks very natural (I think they both looked the same in this aspect, though). Good job on the wall as well and I really like the idea with opening space behind Elrond. Well done!

I need a note from you to add your artworks to the ~Silmarillion-Club You have joined, but sent no note with submissions. [We run a gallery based on favorites system, so no resubmission is required.]

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kiwidoc In reply to Sirielle [2009-09-03 08:16:42 +0000 UTC]

Many thanks for this. I made the elven ear a little larger than I think they really were firstly to emphasise the beginning of the differences between the twins, and secondly because most people don't look at the download. Things need to be a bit more "in-your-face" in a smaller image

I will definitely submit this to the club eventually. I've just sent you a note with links some earlier pieces.

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