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It seems there has been alot of buzz about Derpy being "fixed". I saw the New version of Derpy in "The Last Round-Up" and I do admit it didn't settle well with me. I still enjoyed the original. I didn't like the reason why they had her change. It didn't seem at all offensive in my opinion. When I first saw the scene in the animatic, I literally burst with joy. But I had a feeling that it might not settle with some fans and some people. Especially since people already have their own version of Derpy and people might get the wrong idea of her character.
Its not often that cartoons show fan content. Cause sometimes when you include Fan content, it usually can result to something negative (to fans or to others). And sometimes it also endangers the identity/essence of the show. Or if people like it, they will probably expect a lot more.To the point they might expect TOO much. So you could imagine my surprise when they decided to name Derpy and give her a voice.
Derpy has became more than just some fancy Easter egg in the show. She's became an Icon, a symbol to the fans of MLP:FIM. Though Derpy was created in a studio, her character was created by the fans.Β Β You can probably say that she represents all Bronies everywhere. Fans have enjoyed Derpy whenever they see her in the background until the point when she talked. The entire studio loves her as well. I was there in one of those Livestream chatrooms when people first heard her talk. It was quite entertaining how happy people were. So its no surprise to see people get really upset by this.
In a way, I understand why majority of fans are upset but blaming, pointing fingers and throwing hate around is not the way to do this. You're forgetting your own motto "Love and Tolerance". You bronies are one of inspiration and our greatest achievement. Don't sully your name by spreading Hate and intolerance. Remember, Tolerance is not the same as acceptance. If you are upset with something, display it in a more positive way. You'll get your message across much better than lashing it out with hate. Show some respect. Show some humility.
Oh I also want to address on a artist name Yamino. I've heard that she has been garnered a lot of hate by the Brony Community due to her not liking Derpy's portrayal. Let it be known, that she had NOTHING to do with the sudden change. She expressed an opinion on Derpy. That is all. She did not ask me to do this or anyone on the staff. I had to say this because the hate she's been receiving is unnecessary. So leave her be.
Also don't spam notes and messages to the people who work on the show. You're probably not going to get much out of it.
On the issue on Derpy whether she'll have the same Derp face expression and stuff. The show will still go on and I hope you will continue to support the show. Though Derpy is a great character, she is not essentially the reason why the show is awesome (though she is one of the Reasons). If Derpy never existed on that fateful scene in the first episode, would MLP be a bad show? Remember MLP is a great show because for what it is. I didn't know about Derpy until someone from the Studio pointed it out. I hope you'll still enjoy the show no matter what happens.
I hope this message will ease some of your minds. Thank you.
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But here's the thing: Yamino had NOTHING to do with that so everyone came to her and gave her all that crap because of chinese whispers. Do you know what that is? Thats when hearsay gets so loosely changed upon transition to others that it comes out something entirely different and nothing to do with what it was originally supposed to be. And thats the worst reason to beat down and cyber-bully anybody, let alone just because they had a differing opinion on something trivial.
And yes, I'm afraid I'm going to keep saying that word. Trivial. I'm a Brony too and I still love this show, but there are way more important things in my life than that. Whats more important is my family, my friends, my way of life, my money and getting by in life and to be as selfless and sociable as I can be. Something like TV shows, the sort that MLP:FiM is no doubt, are merely treats to me and things to pass the time. Lovely things to pass the time, of course! But not the be-all, end-all thing that is beneficial and important to the entire universe at large.
If you think its art in a very modern way, that's fine. And there's such a thing as making a show that whilst its targetted at kids and families, only happens to get away with being targetted that way because while its for everyone and not just kids, there's also nothing objectionable about it. Its not a case of how good the show is or anything to do with Derpy, its about human beings on the internet and how they're treating other human beings on the internet and why. And to have a way just on less than 5 minutes of altered footage of one single episode of MLP:FiM is just...unneeded.
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And the scene was a very special gift, which i don't consider trivial either.
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Also, if that less than 5 minutes was a gift to you, what about the extra 18 or so minutes of the entire episode? No one talks about that episode in its own right, just on those less than 5 minutes after the intro.
For people so passionate about a show like this, I find this really weird they'd just ignore the rest of a normal MLP:FiM episode like that just for that one scene.
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I agree with what you say about all the cyber-bully thing, but i don't understand why you're putting that as an argument, mainly when i already said i didn't participate on any cyberbully raid or something like that, and was polite on the critic i've done in case she was the one who did the changes.
You're ignoring all the reasons why the 5 minutes scene is so special, it's hard to discuss like this. Your argument is full of fallacy. What about the other 18 mins of the episode, and all other episodes? As i said, sure they are good without the scene what was wrongly taken of, but man, they are NOT a gift. The 5 mins scene is a gift because, as i said before, we hear they naming Derpy with the name we, the fans, have given to her. It's an honor, a big honor, that was the best moment for the fans because we felt somehow linked to hasbro That's why it's a gift. The rest of the episode, as well as the other episodes, are their usual work. It does not represent a gift, a link to the fans. Please understand the reason why the scene is so important, as a brony, you really should.
We are not ignoring the rest, but the rest being as good as it is, does not make the 5 mins scene less important.
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I keep bringing up the whole cyber-bullying thing here because the reality is that people here are using their distain for these alterations of less than 5 minutes of Derpy to threaten and hurt those who did nothing wrong, but just thought differently. This is not the reason I'm upset with the community. Its okay for people to feel empty about this and want to express their opinions, but hurting others at the expense of that is nothing good at all and people really, really need to grow up and realise that.
But overall, "gift" or not, I think its extremely childish and over-the-top that people are complaining as much as this over a simple character on an animated TV show to this extent already. I love this show as much as the next person here but...this isn't the most important thing in the universe. Neither is the character of Derpy herself, a fictional talking pony with crosseyes. Fictional.
If anything, those 5 minutes are "special" rather than important if anything. And that scene was never taken out of the episode here, Derpy is still in the episode. Her voice is just changed and her eyes aren't always crossed now, but she still EXISTS and has those less than 5 minutes. Better than her being completely cut out, right? And lets not forget that the person who made this journal LITERALLY WORKS ON THE SHOW and has confirmed right here, right above you that the character will still be in the show, cross-eyed and all, just like before. Just. Like. Before.
To really be ignorant of 1.4 years of DHX and Hasbro's really hard work on this show just for those less than 5 minutes is behaviour worthy of spoilt brats. You people should just enjoy the show and enjoy the fact that, hey, Derpy'll still be on the show after all! Woo-hoo, right? But in any case, I hope you have a lovely day/week/everything else because...I think people need to have more of a chance to comment on this journal so...I'm not going to reply back to you now so, have fun.
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First of all, we are not taking chances of anyone to talk in this journal by replaying each other. Deviant makes it organized in a way people don't even have to look to our conversation.
Now, replying me or not, i want to have the right of answering you, and i hope you'll read at least.
I know the show won't get worse because of the cut scene, but just because it's not a situation where our families are in risk of dieing that we can't try to fight and make hasbro see we are not happy with that change. I think more ignorant than wasting our time showing how upset we are about that and trying to revert the situation, is to waste YOUR time trying to convince us that what we are doing is ignorant. So yes, i think you're doing the right thing by stopping replying.
And for last, stop with all that 5 mins bullshit, man. What matters here is not how long the scene is, for the last time, but what it represents. All the link to the fans thing i explained thousand times and you simply ignore it. Actually, the main complaining here is about a FIVE SECONDS duration dialogue that has been changed. If a soup opera that shows two gays saying "i love you" have this dialogue changed, is it less important just because it has five secs duration as well? It was empty on meanings because it's only five secs, and the fact it was taken off means nothing as well for the same reason? If you undertood and intend to answer again, please, at least STOP USING THE DURATION OF THE SCENE AS AN ARGUMENT. Thanks for the patience and have fun as well.
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Thanks for letting us know 
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*Slow clap*
I do indeed remember why MLP is a great show: because of the efforts of excellent individuals like yourself. Thanks for your work on the show, your candor in this message, and your kindness in understanding the fans' attachment to Derpy while also reminding them to maintain perspective.
In short....you rock. woohoo.
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Derpy's chance for an episode is gone forever... Even speaking again... the hope is lost...
You can not care, but the haters have ruined an important element for me...
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Don't say things like that! These things aren't set in stone. This isn't over.
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She wrote an awesome comic called sister clair.
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Why does she have a bad reputation?
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Because she said her opinion on derpy. People didn't agree with it and sadly it was just bad timing and everyone started to blame her about it. She didn't do anything she just said her thoughts. Shes a cool artist and has some great comics you should check her out
My opinion is that a group of parents probably started the whole thing and she just got caught off guard with bad timing.
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Well spoken. I can honestly say I was disappointed when derpy was changed even though her voice wasn't what I initially imagined. but as we have all seen derpy is still breaking the laws of physics in the new episodes. so though she may have a different voice she'll always be our little derpy.
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I think many people are overreacting about this. I like the voice change, but I'm still real disappointed that her name was removed and her eyes mostly fixed. In fact, they still derped a few times, so it's not that bad.
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Fuck you Soccer Moms. Fuck you and your children.
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This is the hate that gets us nowhere. ;_;
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But Soccer Moms ruin everything.
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I'm very sorry, but did you even read the journal at all? He said that spreading hate and intolerance to these things gets us nowhere and is hypocritical of the entire "love and tolerate" motto that the fan community has.
And this show is still aimed at families and kids. Every person (or "everypony", if you will) is fine to watch it, no matter their age or background, but its on a network aimed at such and is utilizing a franchise that was primarily and originally targetted at young girls. To say that mothers and children shouldn't have their own opinions of the show is extremely unfair and backward to what the show's for.
I'm not going to hate on your own opinions to this, but I really do think there's a better way to express your destain rather than hurt and threatene their original target audience because of selfish wants.
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I'm sorry. I just get annoyed when Soccer Moms get away with everything. Thanks to them, nothing is good on tv anymore, just mean spirited and gross cartoons, and horrible reality shows that make me question humanity (why is Jersey Shore, and 16 and Pregnant so popular). I do want to love, I do want to tolerate, but with all this shit that's been going on right now (besides the who Derpy thing) it's hard. Once again I'm sorry, and I hope that Kreoss doesn't see me as a bad person. I just have negative issues.
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No one said you had to like or dislike shows like that. To be fair, you're DEFINITELY not alone on disliking shows like that. But those aren't the fault of "soccer moms", those are the fault of TV networks trying to stick with low-brow trends because they're cheaper to make and tap into trends of the "trend-crowd". It doesn't mean anyone has to either like them or not, its down to the person.
At least you know where you went a bit hypocritical and childish over this stuff and hope it didn't cause too much offense. Just hope you learn from it and express your opinions in a better way rather than "Fuck the target audience!". Its still okay to dislike the changes done to Derpy on that one episode, its fine. Nothing's wrong with feeling that way, thats okay! Just know that you're not the only sort of person who watches this show, this has a huuuuuuuge audience and everyone has their own opinions themselves. So don't bash them wether they disagree as they don't really mean harm, just want to express their views like you do!
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Thank you, and I apologize again. I just get caught up in anger and annoyance when parents, politicians, and even religious groups get in the way of our favorite shows (there was a huge talk about Christians saying that MLP is evil. If you interested on the things me and the others talked about, go to page 8 [link] , and page 9 [link] on profile) . Maybe I should have said things better instead of being blunt. What do you think?
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This is a minority opinion coming from Christians and this happens all the time with all sorts of media, yet they remain unchanged. For example, the music of Elvis Presley was controversial back in the 50's because weird religious types thought it was against the Bible somehow...yet Elvis is one of the most celebrated pop-culture icons ever to this day and all of his then-commerically-avaliable music is still avaliable now, perhaps more than ever.
Still the way you spoke about it there wasn't so bad, evident because the person you were talking to expressed her own respective sentiments on it too and was okay with talking about it. And she works on the show too as a storyboarder! But still, the issue isn't with having strong opinions, its how you express them. And its not worth taking it out on people who have nothing to do with it or mean any harm, but other than that, you're fine. At least you're aware. ^^
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Sorry to scrape in and all, but, to be honest, I think that most Christians are like that because they... get jealous, just like sme bronies forget about love and tolerance.
I'm Christian and this is my opinion on my own brothers, sisters and whatnot, and I see people accusing amazing speakers of belonging to cults... It's all just jealousy for someone else's success, and I wish it would stop. (take Rob Bell for example. Amazing speaker, accused of being a Satanist. *rolls eyes*)
Much like Brony-dom, people who are part of it are forgetting why they're there. Love and respect isn't won through hate and jealousy.
Again, sorry to scrape in
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Oh no apologies necessary, I myself am not a Christian but I do think you strike some fair points so, its okay. 
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Ha, thank you! I know some people who go all medieval on me when I've innocently said something which I felt needed to be said
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You're welcome. And if any tries to smash you because of merely giving a different opinion from the majority on something so trivial, I'll bat them off for ya.
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lool thanks for the offer!
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Are you sure you read the whole discussion? You didn't read this part did you? [link]
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Everything is about money, even nice things.
Somebody looked at the possible loss of income by keeping Derpy vs changing Him/Her.
Now I think by now we understand that who ever made this decision was oblivious about Bronies.
What I would like to know is what the estimated loss of income is based on this backlash.
And I would like to know howmuch money it would take for Hasbro to undo the iTunes change forever?
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I would like to share with you what these events, and your very journal entry, have brought me to write to Hasbro's PR address. Especially as a reply to those who are trying to "defend" Derpy stating she hasn't to be seen as a mentally challenged character. I agree with them, personally, but I know she could be, and she is, especially by the ones really concerned.
Esteemed Hasbro,
I understand your public relations employees must be in the middle of some of the worst days their line of work can throw at them. I feel sorry for them, and as the first thing I would like to let them know they have my sympathy. I sincerely hope they haven't to read through every hate mail a fortunately minor part of the MLP-FiM unusual fandom is sending them in regards to the "Derpy" issue.
I am a rabid fan myself, and needless to say I was disappointed to learn how that character appearance was edited in the iTunes release of episode "The Last Round-Up". I could go on trying to point out how this move isn't, in my opinion, wise from a marketing perspective, as it's probably unsettling many more buyers than the few who I believe misinterpreted the character's name and personality, or how the lack of communication between you and the fandom might be at fault for much of the negative feedback you are surely getting, but honestly it's not my business. It's yours, and you have the right to take every move you see fit to protect your brand and your sales, no matter what a certain demographic between your fans - and customers - might think.
Ironically, however, I feel the need to express my concerns in what's probably pretty much the same spirit as those who complained about "Derpy" had: I'm worried at how this move is to be interpreted on the very matter at stake of supposed discrimination towards mentally and physically challenged people. I worked for many years with disabled people, both kids and adults, and I know from personal experience how they can and definitely do identify with characters such as "Derpy". Even though I don't personally think that character's portrayal was one of a mentally challenged individual - strictly speaking - I can easily see how a concerned parent could read the same into it too.
What I do now for sure, though, is that a mentally challenged person might have lots of problems, but he isn't dumb: he tends to love certain clumsy characters because he can identify himself with them, but as he hates when someone is condescending towards him, as that makes him feel belittled, he hates when those same characters he identifies with are treated that way. They love when they see a character resembling them take part in a lighthearted story, and they love when the other "normal" characters make fun of him with him, as they do with each other: some of them might not be able to define this with pretentious words as some of us could and love to do to feel high and mighty, but they do clearly get how in such a setup that character is treated as an individual worthy of the very same treatment and respect as everyone else. On the other hand, they hate when such characters are instead used differently, often to teach some cliched lesson and moral about how "you should treat everyone the same": the very fact you are here teaching that lesson means you are not treating them the same, you are pointing a finger at them, highlighting how they indeed are different, aren't "normal", and how by having to learn to don't treat them differently you are effectively doing exactly that.
Disabled kids notice that. Always. Much more than any overprotective parent could ever notice. And they feel humiliated. When I see that, instead, I feel embarrassed and guilty, at a loss for words to explain them how the world is filled with people that might not be mentally disabled on paper, but who surely are disabled in their hearts.
The "Derpy" shout-out at the fandom was not only a rare case of connection and complicity between a production and its fans, and a potentially really rewarding marketing move; what it was even more, is another piece of the puzzle that makes MLP:FiM a unique show in how it treats its target demographic with respect, instead of seemingly believing every kid - "normal" or disabled - is a dumb, passive buyer to be brainwashed with bright colors or pointless violence only to sell him some copypasta soulless toy.
I don't know what's in store for the future of the character, but if that single shout-out brought you enough issues to opt for a re-edit, it sure isn't a bright one, and I would like to ask you, dear Hasbro, what should I say to the really disabled kids who loved "Derpy" and the show and are going to ask me why she has been changed? That as she was somewhat similar to them she was deemed "offensive"? That them too are thereby offensive, and should be kept hidden from view, maybe in some dedicated structure, as their clumsiness, inability to perform certain things or physical appearance would be unsettling to us "normals"?
I am offended by this move, but even more than that I am saddened. I thought this new MLP brand, as small a thing as it may be in the grand scheme of things, with its Derpy, as small a thing it may be in the grand scheme of the show, would have been something to further help people stop looking for differences everywhere and start looking at the individuals, loving or hating them for what they are and not what they represent.
I can't and would never anyway threaten to sue you for this "offense" as I'm pretty sure some of those who complained about Derpy in the first place might have done, and as such I'm very well aware this complaint of mine hasn't any real weight for a company which rightfully has to protect its interests. What most people comprising a so called "fandom" often fail to remember, though, is that a company is also made of people. They still will have to make the choice they think is best for the company interests, but they still have a mind and they still have morals.
The character may stay or may in the end even disappear completely, it really doesn't matter that much: the show was good without her and will still be good without, and for this as a fan I'm still very thankful to you and to the actual team which is working on it for the many hours of fun they have gifted us with. I just want for you to know that however good or bad this decision will turn out to be in hindsight, it wasn't a victimless one, and the real victims surely aren't a bunch of pretentious, unnamed fans on the internet.
With respect,
XXXXXXX
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lo, guys, we're talkin' about itunes here, you know Apple and their sympathy for anything fun or just not politically correct ?
that's an excellent demonstration here. so, don't buy the cartoon on itunes, just record the show when it's airing and share it with bronies !
okay let's say it, apple finds a fucking character offending because it represents one with some mental retardation or something not like other ponies, it MUST be fixed.
note : i haven't found the new episode yet... is this really so dramatic ?
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love and tolerate after the lost of a famous figure?,ο»Ώ there is now no such thing as love and tolerate in the name of derpy
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Thank you Mr.Kreoss, you have made me feel much better. Though for the voice you'd think they'd be remembering that the VA thought Derpy was a male. This show, besides Community, is the only one that has such a stable (no pun intended) of interesting background characters that have big fan followings.
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Very good information to have, especially the part about keeping her cross eyed lol we just need that goofy background pony with cross eyes causing little chaos, thats our Derpy. I don't think her new voice is that bad, but her first one was waaaaay better lol but whatever, at least I still have the first original episode to watch.
as for the bronies spewing hate and idiocy, it's absolutely embarrassing. we try not be portrayed as immature kids, and when something like this happen the bronies spit and squeal like spoiled brats. there's a difference between being upset about the situation, and absolutely loosing your shit over not getting everything you want. there are so many spoiled people in this fandom, because hasbro and studio b treat us so well and spoil us rotten, that we just want everything, now. it's ridiculous.
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I actually like the change of voice, although I was distressed by the removal of the name. Also, I support fixing the eyes. Why? Because a person (or pony) can be clumsy without being physically or mentally impaired.
Bottom line for me though:
I watch the show for the mane six interaction and the great atmosphere in general ... changing something as minor of this will do nothing to change my love for the show.
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Yours is the first journal I favorite. Well said.
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I'm actually... happy about this in a way. I felt that Derpy should have remained a background "easter egg" for us to hunt down. I know it was done with the best intentions, but referring to her as Derpy was in my opinion pandering at its absolute worst.
I love her new voice, though I wonder if it was Tabitha that voiced her again this time. The only gripe I have about this is the shoddiness of the actual edits, other than that, I'm totally fine with all this.
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I srtarted watching MLP because of Derpy.
You kill Derpy, you kill 20% of me.
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I'll still like the show whether Derpy changes or not, bit I would prefer she didn't. And bronies, behave, no shameful behavior.
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can you show the link i want to see the ep about it
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*sigh* well ok, youΒ΄re right. Of course itΒ΄s sad, but we have to get on with it. ItΒ΄s also sad how the ppl reacted to this. Love and Tolerance? where? x)
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Thank you for the update.
However, I won't be leaving Yamino alone. She's part of an ablest movement in our culture that would censor and alter all of us just because someone, somewhere might be offended because they think the word refers to retarded children. Sure she might not have been the most vocal, but she's part of the problem. I've been living with and dealing with over zealous political correctness my entire life and I hate them all.
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The only people who dislike Derpy is probably the annoying soccer moms who are in no position to complain. If Derpy had to change voice, Goofy should have changed a looong time ago.
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Thank You! I've been trying to spread this message since this mess started...
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I think that it is a very bad move, to change one of the most loved background ponys in the whole show. When derpy first talked, the brony community exploded in joy, now, because of a few parents who are over-protective, she has been changed.
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