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It seems there has been alot of buzz about Derpy being "fixed". I saw the New version of Derpy in "The Last Round-Up" and I do admit it didn't settle well with me. I still enjoyed the original. I didn't like the reason why they had her change. It didn't seem at all offensive in my opinion. When I first saw the scene in the animatic, I literally burst with joy. But I had a feeling that it might not settle with some fans and some people. Especially since people already have their own version of Derpy and people might get the wrong idea of her character.
Its not often that cartoons show fan content. Cause sometimes when you include Fan content, it usually can result to something negative (to fans or to others). And sometimes it also endangers the identity/essence of the show. Or if people like it, they will probably expect a lot more.To the point they might expect TOO much. So you could imagine my surprise when they decided to name Derpy and give her a voice.
Derpy has became more than just some fancy Easter egg in the show. She's became an Icon, a symbol to the fans of MLP:FIM. Though Derpy was created in a studio, her character was created by the fans. You can probably say that she represents all Bronies everywhere. Fans have enjoyed Derpy whenever they see her in the background until the point when she talked. The entire studio loves her as well. I was there in one of those Livestream chatrooms when people first heard her talk. It was quite entertaining how happy people were. So its no surprise to see people get really upset by this.
In a way, I understand why majority of fans are upset but blaming, pointing fingers and throwing hate around is not the way to do this. You're forgetting your own motto "Love and Tolerance". You bronies are one of inspiration and our greatest achievement. Don't sully your name by spreading Hate and intolerance. Remember, Tolerance is not the same as acceptance. If you are upset with something, display it in a more positive way. You'll get your message across much better than lashing it out with hate. Show some respect. Show some humility.
Oh I also want to address on a artist name Yamino. I've heard that she has been garnered a lot of hate by the Brony Community due to her not liking Derpy's portrayal. Let it be known, that she had NOTHING to do with the sudden change. She expressed an opinion on Derpy. That is all. She did not ask me to do this or anyone on the staff. I had to say this because the hate she's been receiving is unnecessary. So leave her be.
Also don't spam notes and messages to the people who work on the show. You're probably not going to get much out of it.
On the issue on Derpy whether she'll have the same Derp face expression and stuff. The show will still go on and I hope you will continue to support the show. Though Derpy is a great character, she is not essentially the reason why the show is awesome (though she is one of the Reasons). If Derpy never existed on that fateful scene in the first episode, would MLP be a bad show? Remember MLP is a great show because for what it is. I didn't know about Derpy until someone from the Studio pointed it out. I hope you'll still enjoy the show no matter what happens.
I hope this message will ease some of your minds. Thank you.
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It doesn't necessarily have to be anything real. It just shows motivation. Also, has it occured to you that the brony fandom has made tens of thousands of dollars worth of donations to charity programs already? It's a fandom that is motivated AND helpful. I wouldn't complain there for something that isn't real or tangible. They already put themselves in a place.
I also didn't say it offended me nevertheless, say anything that I was offended about. I could have read that part of your comment wrong, but you didn't address anyone else but with a, "you."
And hey, it's a start for a movement. They give fan service and that's good. Keep in mind that the people that are 'angry', per se, are NOT the fan group. You have no where in proof and neither do I, so you can't just assume this info.
The love and tolerance thing? I actually kind of agree with you there. I've not seen any happy people, ironically. So speaking upon the fans (I guess me included), that has never been the official motto.
In the total grand scheme of all things, this probably isn't worth my time. Well, I'm not even doing anything for it. I sit in the middle to watch it also. I'm not with or against. And no, I've never said that I was regarding myself when saying that people are doing things, just for your record.
And you're fine about all of this. You're just making your statement, albeit in an annoyed state of mind that could be fixed. One thing you can really learn though, is just to ignore the things you hate or are annoyed by. Don't lecture me of an excuse why you say you can't. You make yourself notice these things, so you can make yourself avoid these things. The world is as it is. What are you going to do about it? So if you say it ain't worth even the pathetic persons' time, why would it be worth yours? It'll die down, just let it be.
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When it comes down to wasting time, I am the Queen Bee. You're right, it isn't worth my time or yours to argue about something like ponies, only I was redirected to this journal by a fellow anti-brony and skimmed through. I originally hoped my comment would be read by obsessors who after reading would decide to leave it alone. I hadn't planned on replies. Sometimes venting your frustration is good, though.
I hope all the My Little Pony hype dies down, it's not that the show is bad, it's just that the fans are insane and immature. Not to mention the insipid bawwing over things like this. dA is pony hell.
The love and tolerance thing just shows how hypocritical bronies are. And I for one don't believe they have donated to charities... what? Never mind.
It's true that I'm annoyed, and I'll wait until the whole derpy scene blows over.
Props to you for being a brony with some rational thinking and sense.
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No. You know, that's the thing nowadays. Bronies may seem crazy at times (or a lot), but they take action. That's something no one else does. Everyone else is willing to just sit back and watch something change. They are prideful in what they like, meaning they legitimately enjoy it. And to that, they are willing to change something to make it better. You can't speak for yourself right now because you're just sitting back and watching. I'm sorry if I sound like a jerk, but you weren't any better coming in here.
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So...everyone's willing to try and change a character's voice and eyes?
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This doesn't really ease my mind. It just tells me that anyone different must me censored. 'Silly' is a stereotype on all fields. Now, I'm not a seasoned brony, but I still think this is ridiculous.
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I have to say that I'm not sure exactly where I stand on this issue anymore. Naturally, I believe that Derpy should remain unchanged, but I'm not sure that's going to happen anytime soon. At the same time, I believe that there are indeed people offended by Derpy's voice and name, and understand why she was changed. However, there may be alternatives to changing her entirely. I've noticed comments on YouTube videos suggesting that an episode be made about the mentally disabled. Although that idea doesn't *exactly* fit the show, and may not work as planned, it's a possibility. A slightly more complicated idea (that I came up with myself) involves making two of any future episodes with Derpy in it: one with the original Derpy (for iTunes or something), and one with the altered version (for the episode as it airs on TV). Or something like that. In theory, that should make everypony happy.
Of course, I do understand the dangers mentioned of using fan-inspired content in a show. This is one of those dangers. If there is absolutely no way to change things at this point, I can respect that. Best case scenario: Derpy is given her name and voice back or a compromise of some kind is reached, ideally resulting in everypony being satisfied. Worst case scenario: Fans everywhere don't get what they want and frustration remains (even then, we can still call her Derpy; in addition, the original episode is still on YouTube). Besides, she isn't the most important character in the show or anything. Remember that she was only a background pony/easter egg until "The Last Roundup", which means she won't have a speaking role in every single episode from now on (or maybe she will; not my call).
After typing this, I think I still support Derpy's original voice and name, but I feel like it will likely remain changed. If that's the case, we'll have to tolerate Hasbro's decision and get used to it; getting angry about it won't fix anything. In any case: best of luck, Derpy.
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P.S. As far as the issue as a whole goes, I think that both sides overreacted. First the parents of mentally disabled children reacted a little too strongly to Derpy's character as they perceived it, then a good percentage of Bronies went off the rail thinking that Derpy was going to be gone forever and whatnot after the removed the epsiode from iTunes. I'm kinda glad that this happened, though; maybe these overreactions will teach us something.
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Yeah, and then all of the Bronies will start writing letters to Celestia.
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One can only hope...
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The new episode that came out today shows Derpy walleyed multiple times, so she is fine.
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I know that her eyes will be the same, but I still wish that they would keep her name the way it was. Oh well, you take what you can get.
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Well, they still haven't called her Ditzy yet.
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True dat. Time will tell what they'll do. I'm guessing that they may just never give her a role like this again in order to avoid the same problem. Like I said, time will tell.
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They also haven't released a Derpy toy with fixed eyes. They made one with the same color scheme as Derpy with a different name.
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That's good to know.
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I as much as I appreciate the gesture of attempting to cool things down "As an animator of the show, rest assured, she'll be fine" doesn't really mean much anymore. This is more than just having her appearance changed. The people who took offense were easily outnumbered a hundred to one. An objective look at the word's history would clearly show that it was not used as a slur against people with actual mental disabilities. That a misinformed minority could overrule the massive majority of fans who were absolutely ecstatic to see Derpy was seen as a massive betrayal by a lot of people. That we went for a month with only vague hints and only got a thorough exlplanation after things hit critical mass didn't help.
The show and its fans aside, the issue also hit a nerve with a lot of people by being symbolic of the frustration and sense of helplessness people feel when faced by an "offended" group demanding unreasonable changes. It sort of reminds me of that D.C. mayor's aide who got fired after using an obscure word that someone mistakenly thought was a racial slur. I am loathe to using the phrase "political correctness" given it's frequent misuse in more debatable cases, but I can't think of any other word to describe this. People are so fearful of offending a small group that they'll immediately bend to their will without question. Nobody stops to think "maybe these people are being unreasonable". An accusation is as good as a conviction. This entire affair is mark on freedom of speech.
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I thought freedom of speech was that you can't get arrested for saying something. Nongovernmental people might still criticize you, but nobody can arrest you.
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In the legal sense, but private individuals and institutions can also hamper free speech. The hollywood blacklists of the Cold War, for example, or religious fundamentalists shutting down anything they consider indecent.
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I find your awnser very reasonable Sir, don' t feel pushed down by the trolls :3.
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It was difficult to parse through the posts actually discussing the recent changes to Derpy, but a quick "look at the word's history" found at least a few examples of equating the word with "retarded". (I also ran across at least one person who had been bullied in the past for similar reasons and was actually offended by the scene when the original episode was still on the air.) That, plus her apparently coming off as someone with a mental disability, had an obvious impact. If there weren't precedent for it, I don't think anyone would have complained.
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Thanks for saying this, one of my friends was bullied with the slur by my ex, who was a huge fan of south park, and I was very upset with that. It was all because of his eye he was treated like that. And when I saw Derpy portrayed the way she was, and with that name, I felt that it wasent right. Why should a pony be named Retarded and this is a kids show. Im glad for the change, I know my opinion isnt a popular one but I know what my friend went through and im glad that the ones who do get picked on have a voice too.
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...with respect, of course. I just wanted to point out that this was not the result of a few "misinformed" people making up something to complain about.
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"I as much as I..."
You see, this right here is a perfect example of the ACTUAL meaning of "derp". I started to type something and then deciding to word differently, accidentally leaving part of the original sentence in the process. Derp.
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me to.
I think this would be a nice compromise
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HUZZAH! DERPY IS STILL DERPY!
Although I prefer her original voice, I feel much better knowing that she's still Derpy, and not "Ditsy Doo". Once again, HUZZAH!
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It was made by somebody on youtube by mixing the two versions.
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....What? NO! Ah, well. A guy can dream, can't he? Maybe Hasbro will do something similar. As long as Derpy's name isn't changed for good. There's still hope...
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Sorry about that I should have said that is was not real from the beginning.
Personally I like Derpies old voice better, but it is a nice little video that shows what it would look like if Hasbro just changed her voice.
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THIS IS GLORIOUS!
They actually made it good again! The eyes are not too underped, the vocals are much better 
A salute to you!
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It was made by some else on youtube, by mixing the two versions.
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The modifications to derpy for me, raises questions of many concerns of the culture of the PC era. The whole idea of making something absolutely not offensive is fundamentally impossible, considering that offence comes from every angle of humanity these days. You like to eat beef? your offending PETA. Do you like your computer? your offending the Amish. Do you like something that someone else doesn't like? your offending somebody. I have read many posts in the pony community that have expressed concerns that editing derpy itself offends the disabled. To me this seems to project this idea that if someone does not conform to normality in visual or audio expectations. Then they should be swiped up, cast under the rug, and never to be seen by anyone so that nobody feels uncomfortable.
The mine track that I follow with this whole issue goes something like this.
The day that Derpy is considered offensive to disabled people, will be the day that Ed from Ed Edd & Eddy is betrayed with average intelligence. It will be the day that goofy is portrayed in a more refined manner. It will be the day that Porky the pig does not have a stutter. It will be the day that Sylvester the cat does not have a speech impediment. It will be the day that Tweety pronounces all of his words correctly.
All of these characters had imperfections, that we all embraced and loved from the moment that they were aired. Why is that? It is because these imperfections bring them down to the level of humanity. It gives them character. It gives them a sense of identity. But most importantly, it makes the characters relatable. If Warner Brothers decided to make all of their characters " PC" and gave into complaints. Then all we would have ended up with would be a bland set of characters, that seem to lack in that unique spark that their imperfections provided.
Nobody has a right to not be offended. After all, if we ever did go down the route which meant that you could not offend anybody. Then the whole process of intelligent and rational debate falls apart. Even democracy (There will always be someone disappointed) would start to fail, which unfortunately is the case, especially in some European countries that enforce laws which do not allow you to speak against religion.
Just as a note. I don't intend for this to come off as a rant, or to come off as preachy. I'm just expressing my concern that pandering to complaints can be seen as an admission of fault, Even when nothing fundamentally wrong as happened in the first place. And it sometimes scares me the direction that our culture is going, especially in the context of how we deal with being offended.
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For the record, The Amish probably won't be offended by you using your computer. Being friends with an Amish girl on her Rumspringa, I've been informed that while they've stricken use of electronics from their daily life, Amish people are generally in no way offended by widespread use of laptops or desktop computers, and they won't make a funny face at you if you get on Facebook in front of them.
Honestly, I'm a bit concerned about all the bronies up in arms about this.
It's a bummer, yeah. True. I do agree that Derpy should probably have stayed Derpy, and the people who didn't like Derpy being Derpy just shouldn't have watched the episode. Oh well. That being said, Perhaps we should focus on bigger issues here. Like that issue of Mathmatical! That was take off the internet for discussing the idea of a lesbian relationship between two cartoon characters. Bleeping swear words from shows. Or the recent issue where PayPal threatened to censor books like Oedipus for the implication of an incestuous relationship. Go actually do something instead of writing about it on a brony blog or some nonsense. Write to the animators of the show, or stop watching it, or something along that front.
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interesting point but I would have to disagree with you.
if you stop watching the shows then good hard working people who had nothing to do with the change will eventually get fired, Hasbro Studios is going to say "hey look the ratings are down" and cancel the show then the animators are going to be looking for work. The same animators that put Derpy in the show in the first place. Also Writing to the animators of the show does nothing "they did not order the change, hasbro did." The best thing that people can do is to share their feelings and write it on Web sites like this. Then find others who did not like the change. Band together and contact Hasbro, not as just one person but as a group of people. And tell them that we are not happy with what they did. If people did not write things on the internet then they would not be able to move as one group of people.
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Also, I'm not deliberately trying to discount the internet as a way to share ideas, by any means. I just don't think it should be the main way. I want to see action over words is all. The pen is mightier than the sword and all that, but where are you going to be when you can back up anything you've written down with any kind of legitimate action?
And yes, I miss Derpy. I don't think she should have changed. I think the people who didn't like her being called Derpy should just not have watched the episode, but unfortunately, the TV censors didn't like the minority's reaction to Derpy. That's how it goes, with lots more things than just Derpy pony, unfortunately.
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Jeez, then how did anything get done before the internet, since it's so prolific? I can't think of too many gigantic changes that have occurred via internet blogging, other than the ability to anonymously bash people with no fear of retribution. How many movements have occurred thanks to being able to write things on the internet? Discounting being able to blog and post comments on youtube and forms of social media, and that thing in China where a protest was organized over Facebook, ( which is kinda cool, I'll admit).
I think it's completely fair to contact Hasbro as a group and share your opinions: Politely. I'm not saying that you aren't being polite, by any means, since you're being very civil and I'm trying to be too, (PLEASE stop me if I get rude at all. I don't mean to be.) I just personally feel that the internet and places like a brony blog or deviantart aren't the best places to post complaints about something where the majority of animators and producers and vp's, etc, aren't going to look for complaint. I honestly doubt that the executive producer is going to venture to a deviantart account to have a look-see at some of the complaints posted. Maybe they are, I don't know. Also, I think you may have ignored the fact that animators have a bit more influence than everyone seems to think. My good friend works as an animator for Pixar, and she tells me that animators are often consulted for artisitc advice or for advice on a storyline or something like that. Not all the time, but sometimes.
I think I may have spoken (typed, eh.) incorrectly. Sorry about that! When I said make contact through a letter, I meant to executives in charge of taking complaints. Just from what I've read, they seem to be taking into account calls and letters sent in to the studio, not a complaint in a brony chat-room, and by no means through some of this terrible hate mail that I've looked at on deviantart walls.
I personally think that complaining as a group over the internet is a bit lazy, ( though I'm the kind of kid who writes letters to congress and actually bothered to call Hasbro when I read about derpy. SO, I dunno, maybe I'm just overly dramatic or something.) I'm sad that there's been so much hate spread because of this, and that people assume that anything but a small minority of people will even bother to stop watching MLP just because they're offended by Derpy, or conversely, because they're pissed that Derpy was changed. How many people have stopped watching MLP because they either found Derpy offensive or were offended that Derpy was " changed for being different?" I honestly don't know, but I doubt that it was a significant number of people.
ALSO, please keep in mind that Derpy herself was a complete accident, created because some animator goofed on a cell for a background pony.
Thanks!
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One more thing, I am glad to hear that I was not rude to you. It is interesting to think that what once was an artist goof has taken a life of its own.
Bro Hoof
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OMG you know someone who works for Pixar, neat, errr, do you know if they are hiring. lol.
Truth be told I do not know how much influence Animators have I am just an outsider looking at what had happened. I am glad to hear that Animators do have influence.
Also When I said that people can organize on the internet I admit I was on a bit of a soap box. I was thinking of China. (That was really cool) And I have been going from website to website trying to get ponies to get together and take action rather than just stand around on the net doing nothing, and just complaining, and speading more Hate. (talk about a downhill fight)
I think we both agree that it is truely sad when people start spreading hate because of the Derpy issue. And I agree with you that it is sad that the edit was made in the first place.
You have not been rude, if fact you have been one of the most best people that I have come across and I have enjoyed sharing my thoughts with you and hearing your thoughts on the matter. And I hope that we get to speak again.
Bro Hoof
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I can always ask. She got the job through SCAD. I was too poor to go there myself, otherwise I'd have the inside info for you. (Sorry!)
I'm honestly glad to have gotten to talk to someone who was so polite and open too! It's hard to find people like that, sometimes. Thanks for that!
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For what it's worth, I believe that many people claiming that editing Derpy's appearance is "sweeping different people under the rug" came before it turned out that she was edited for being seen -- even by that minority that you talked about -- as an offensive caricature, and many people turned that ambiguity into "They changed her for being different."
As it is, she was "considered offensive" by some people, which is why she was edited in the first place... but you knew that already.
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Here, here. Very well spoken.
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And everything was OK with Patrick Star.
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"But I had a feeling that it might not settle with some fans and some people. "
Ohwell? Why wasn't this simply ignored?
People get offended about crap all the time, what the hell makes these guys so special?
The votes for and against Derpy were like 20:1
Just goes to show how much bullshit 'political corectness' is.
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Perhaps they (foolishly) assumed the bronies would tolerate and understand?
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Yeah but, there is a difference between toleration and being bent over and forced to accept something when the numbers outweighed each other.
We got ignored completely, that's not tolerating anything.. that's just ignorance :/
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