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The Codex form The Borgia - Tlaloc Pouring Chocolate Rain for Pinkie Pie and Corns.
보지아 고사본 28 쪽에서 영감을 얻어 그렸습니다.
Inspired by page 28 of 'The Codex Borgia'.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cod…
틀랄록은 아즈텍에서 가장 중요한 신중 하나입니다.
그는 톡특한 생김세 -고글을 낀 듯한 눈과 두꺼운 윗입술, 길다란 이빨- 로 유명합니다.
따라서 아즈텍 유물을 볼때, 그를 쉽게 알아볼 수 있지요.
또한, 그는 어린이 인신공양으로 악명 높습니다.
Tlaloc is one of the most important God in Aztec.
He is famous for his unique appearance - goggled eyes, thick upper lip and long teeth.
Also, He is infamous for demand of child sacrifices.
틀랄록은 비를 관장 하십니다.
위대하신 틀랄록 덕분에 토지가 비옥해 지고 작물이 자랍니다.
Tlaloc is God of Rain.
Thanks to Great Tlaloc, Land fertilize and Crops grow.
지금, 위대하신 틀랄록 께서 핑키 파이에게 작은 즐거움을 선사하고 계십니다.
(생물학적산소요구량이 올라 가는 것을 보십시요!)
Now, Great Tlaloc giving little joy to Pinkie Pie.
(Watch BOD increasing!)
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Tláloc tiene diarrea y está descargándola sobre.... ¡QUÉ ASCO!
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ahí Pinkie pie está representando a la diosa Tlazolteotl siendo fertilizar por la lluvia en este caso de chocolate... LOL
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She wasn't Chalchiutlicue? The Wife of Tlaloc?
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ciertamente esa diosa es la última esposa de Tláloc... pero en éste códice se muestra a la lluvia fertilizante la tierra y la diosa de la tierra es Tlazolteo.
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Thanks for Information!
Even, I didn't think about, Tlaloc has 4 wives!
Where did you learn Aztec Myth?
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muchas diosas y dioses tienen diferentes esposo porque en un momento representan juntos un concepto de la naturaleza de hecho y matrimonio no era fijo ni eterno en la antigua cultura de México. la mejor más detallada y completa información sobre la mitología mexicana está en español, sobre todo las explicaciones arqueológicas y antropológicas de los códices e interpretaciones de los mitos, además de que las Azteca no fue la única cultura ya que se formó de muchas culturas anteriores y era contemporánea a muchas otras culturas parecidas con sus conjunto de dioses y tradiciones por todo este enorme país.
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지난번에 쪽지로 언급하신 그 '틀랄록' 이란 고유명사를 보고 데비안에 님이 올리신 아즈텍문명의 신 그림을 떠올렸는데,
예상이 빗나가지 않았습니다.
그 보다도, 어떻게 그렸고 도색하셨습니까?
(본인은 보통 사이툴을 사용합니다.)
강렬한 색채와 선명한 선, 그리고 기하학적인 문양이 마음에 듭니다.
싱크로율 때문에 고생깨나 하셨겠습니다.
핑키파이가 귀엽네요.
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엌ㅋㅋㅋ
대단한 우연이군요.
물론 도색은 님처럼 사이툴을 사용하였습니다.
(좋은 툴 소개해 주셔서 감사합니다.)
칭찬 감사합니다.
아즈텍 인들이 어떤 재료를 물감으로 사용 했는지 알 수 없어서,
일단 원본(고사본) 의 이미지를 이용하여, 사이툴로 원본과 가장 가까운 색상을 찾습니다.
그리고 사실 원본을 보시면 아시겠지만, 아즈텍 인들은 그냥 '긋듯이' 대충 색칠을 했습니다.
그런데 제가 가지고 있는 복원판을 보면, 실제 문서와 다르게 색칠한 것이 보이는 군요.
예컨데 원본에서는 옷의 점박이 무늬가 없지만, 복원판 에는 있습니다!
따라서 그 둘의 '중간' 을 찾느라 꾀나 고생하였습니다.
포니의 다른 표정을 연구해 보아야 겠습니다!
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Mi canto es el rayo
Mi voz es el trueno
Mi amada la lluvia
Mi miedo el silencio
Mi guerra a la muerte
Mi fuerza el amor
Mi pueblo el que no olvida
Mi sangre su voluntad
Soy Dios del relámpago
Quien vence a los dioses de fuera
Y hiendo la roca, y la hago caer
Me dicen serpiente de luz
Me dicen señor de nubes
Me dicen rayo de tres pies
Soy el corazón que late fuerte en el cielo
Soy Tláloc
My song is the Lightning
My voice, the thunder
My woman, the Rain
My fear, the silence
My war, against Death
My strength, the Love
My people, those whose don't forget
My blood is their will
I'm the god of the lightning
who defeat the foreigner gods
and i crush the stones, and make them fall
They call me the Snake of Light
They call me the Lord of Clouds
They call me the three feet lightning
I'm the heart that beat strong in th Sky
I'm Tláloc
You know, the Xi'Oi here near my town still worship Tlaloc. For they (and me) he is the god of thunder, husband of Chalchiutlicue, the Woman with Jade Skirt (Rain). Most of gods for nahuatl peoples and northern nomads become "divines" marrying with the goddess, as here, Tlaloc, married with Rain, or Mictlántecuhtli, Lord of the dead, married with Mictecihuatl, the Death (the one worshiped at november 2nd).
There is a story about Tlaloc. When spanish conquerors stablished in this area, they build a catholic temple over the old Tlaloc temple. The Xi'Oi identified the christian god as the "light god", the sun, a minor god in this place (the Sun was the major god at south).
At the front of the church, they made the indians to sculpt the Archangel Michael (the fired one) killing the Dragon. They identified that as "the christian god defeating Tlaloc".
But not for too long time.
Just a year after that, the next raining season, a great storm hits the area, and a lightning strucked the church, destroying the archangel statue, leaving the dragon harmless...
So, this is the only catholic church where people worships the dragon, the lightning serpent, Tlaloc...
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One question!
I find another Song of Tlaloc on the Codex Florentine Vol. 2!
───────────────
Tlalloc Icu Jc
Ahjia Mexico
teutlaneviloc
amopanitla,
an nauhcampa,
ie moquetzquetl,
ao iequena ychocaia.
Abuja an nehoa ia njiocoloc
a noteuh oa
eztlamjiaval,
a ilhujcolla,
nic ia vica ia,
teutivalco ia
Abuja an notequjoa
navalpilli
aqu ita nella
motonacaiouh tic ia chjuhquj
tlacatl achtoquetl
can mitz ia pinavia.
Abuja can aca tell a, nech ia pinavjia
anech yayia velmatia,
anotata
i noquacujllo
ocelocoatl aia.
Abuja tlallocan a
xivacalco
aia quizquj
aqu amotta,
acatonal aia.
Abuja xjia novia
nahuja xi ia moteca ay
pojauhtla
aiauhchicavaztica, aia
vicalo, tlallocan aia.
Ao nacha tozcuecuexi
njiaializquj, aia
ychocaia.
Abuja queiamjca xinechiva ia
temoquetl a itlatol
a njqu ia ilhujqtl,
tetzauhpilla
njiaializquj aia
ychocaia.
Abuja nauhxiuhtica ia
i topa necaviloc
aioc inomatia,
aymo tlapoalli ,aia
ximovaia
ie quetzalcalla
nepanavia ai
yascan a teizcaltiqtl.
Abuja xjia novjia
abujia xj ia moteca ia
ai pouhtla
aiauhchicavaztica, aia
vicallo tlalloca.
(Sorry for not write English-Translation. due to Copyright)
───────────────
Is it Nahuatl, right?
And How to sing it?
Just read it? or read it with little rhythm? or sing like Catholic Chants?
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yeah, it's nahuatl, it was singed/prayed with music: drums, chalchiqueles and flutes, but mainly big drums, evoking the sound of thunder.
the part where i'm doubting (and most of researchers, indeed) about the source of this old hymn, is the fact that they call "México" the land, when the original name that the peoples and aztecs give to the land was "Cem Anahuac", roughly translated as "there sorrounded by water", how they called the whole "american" continent. 'Cause, yeah, aztecs knew there were another peoples north and south and that the "land" was big, there are legends about aztec merchants trading stuff (small amounts, of course) from places like Peru and Ecuador, and "hunting" apaches and sioux warriors to offer as sacrifice. (That last, in fact, never stopped... here at my town were celebrated sacrifices, at least the local chronist says, at 1923 or something like that, the "New Fire", where you take a warrior, take off his heart, and then try to begin a fire inside his chest. Chronists says that they brought an Apache warrior that time... the sacrifice place was at the foot of a mountain, inside an old spaniard dam)
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Maybe Aztec way to prey? : www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BZ5Jm…
About the song,
As you know, the book written by one of Spaniard Priest - Bernardino de Sahagun.
He call Holy People and Land 'Mexico' as all Spaniard did.
Or I took the song from this book : www.amazon.com/Florentine-Code…
Yes, the reprinted book by american. maybe the american editor change the word.
OMG! you live in near the holy place!
OMG! They took prisoner from far land!
Today, Tlaloc Priests just offer spices? like Modern Mayans do?
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mostly, yeah, but sadly most of them are mixing the original belief with catholic and voodoo stuff...
but at leat, the great priest is still choosed the same old way: if you survive a thunderstruck without any kind of defense, you are a candidate.
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Always Many Thanks to you!
Where dose poem from?
It is Chant?
It is so happy that not all native worshiper not tortured and burnt by Spanish badass. It is so impress that defeat of European religion!
I read about excavation of Mesoamerican relic in 19c. you know, the scholar hire native people for physical labor. The scholar said, native people ask to be excused to gods before cutting woods. and native people think all structures made by their gods! and still worship going on!
It is interest that worship of Mictlántecuhtli. Doesn't under-world and lord of it always regard as evil to people? and you know Mictlántecuhtli troll Quetzalcoatl, when taking back of human bone for create new one! why and how to worship Mictlántecuhtli?
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it's a chant i writed bassed on the old xi'oi way of pray, that's why it sounds a little like a lethany.
About Mictlántecuhtli (Lord of Mictlán), he was a feared god, but the real "divine" was his wife, Mictecihuatl, because the lord of Deads died every 52 years with the sun (when the civilians and religious calendar paired).
So, Mictecihuatl choose a mortal husband to wear the Mictlántecuhtli's mask. If you were a soul-cold man, wishing for material goods, she may choose you to become her husband, but you had to bear the horror of living dead, using the mask you can see a person, but when you see the face, you see the newly born face mixed with the dead rotting face. You could see the destiny of people and things, and that's the "not so nice" side of marry her. Seeing past and future, often it's more a curse than a gift...
In the Dead's Day, or Death's day, we mexicans make an altar, a little shrine for the dead, where we put the pictures of the relatives and friends already gone. We serve food, their favourite food, wine, mezcal, tequila, beer, some people even put their clothes near, and paper with the Death's colors, black and purple, with yellow/orange flowers that bloom on that season, the cempoalxochitl (20 leafted flower) making a little "road to home". The candles must be keeped lighted day and night (actually, there use to be a lot of fires on that days).
We dress our little girls as Catrinas too. I think i have a pic about it on my gallery, but if don't, i'll upload it later. Catrina it's one of the "avatars" of Death, a fancy dressed and elegant woman who takes the life of richs and poors equally, 'cause "La muerte todo empareja" (Death everything flats). This image of Death was very popular in the Revolution, as a reminiscense of Mictecihuatl. Even there is a semicatholic cult, the "Holy Death Church", but they are more like voodoo than real indigenous peoples.
In fact, there are some MLP fans that draw Rarity as Catrina, because of their elegance and generosity.
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Isn't it that temple? : www.panoramio.com/photo/105157…
What happened to mortal husband of Mictecihuatl after 'Dead's Day Festival'?
Day before yesterday (31th Jan.) was Asian New Year's Day. We also make little alter and served food, rice wine to relatives already gone. miss and yearn for relatives already gone same everywhere.
As you know, Dudes from Europe are quit aggressive. So, many 'believers' killed and tortured by Europe Dudes. It's very interesting that many Aztec Tradition still goes until now I wonder how they keep their tradition, despite of Aggressive Europe Dudes.
I found Some Rarity in La Catrina Pics, Thanks to you!
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La Catrina remind me of 'Tim Burton'.
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the "ex husband" just become another living mindless skeleton adorned with gold, an instrument of Death.
About the way how the traditions survived, most of indians and "mestizos" (halfblood) mixed the old rituals with catholic rituals. An Example: Guadalupe's Virgin. There was an old ancient legend about a young girl that sacrifice herself to the gods to prevent another "world's ending", and then all people called her "Tonantzin", "our great mother". When the spaniards came, they realize that forcing aztecs as they did with the mayans would be harder, so they made up a new legend, about the "Virgin Mary", a catholic deity, becoming a savior for indians by appearing to a fallen indian lord, Juan Diego. That's how "Virgen de Guadalupe" became the great deity at México,
As a note aside, the bishopric of México City was in a kind of "fight" with the Bishopric of Guadalajara, whom used the same way to convince the west indians. The Mexico city priests were kind of envious because of all the money they collected from the people, so they decided to make up all this thing...
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Mesoamerican History is interesting.
Sadly, very limited information source available in here.
I learned kings of 4th-5th century try to combine Buddhism and shamanism,
when they adopt Buddhism for national religion.
So, there so many Buddhish stuff in my national mythology.
Spenish dudes did just same way!
(I know Mesoamerican mythology is pure.)
Priests can survive without money from people?
As you well know, maybe they can't.
But, I feel so sad about some priests and monks think money more than deities and thier people!
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The Franciscan Order, founded by Francisco de Asis some centuries ago, tried to recover the "holy poverty" to the church. They failed... but some of their thinking prevails in the "freedom theology", and even the actual pope, named after the order's founder, is trying to clean up all the political and financial crap out of church...
Sadly, for most of catholics, Franciscans are viewed as some kind of "hippies", "idealistic but naive"... and well, they feed up that believing, they are an strange mix between "eco friends" and "animistic christians", (they call Sun and Moon "my brother and sister").
About Buddhism, my dad is a follower of Bodhi Dharma or something like that. He is catholic too, but he makes his own rituals...
I'm a Tlaloque, so... LOL
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Nowdays, Some churchs have so many money.
The Money came form 'tithe'.
So they can build castle or fortress like vice-headquarter building! :
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Near my home, There are one of biggest church in Korea.
The church already have two 'vice-headquarter' near them.
Also, The church run very big department-store-like shopping mall.
Few years ago, may be 5 or 7 years ago, the church build underground parking lot.
But one 2-storey building next to church started collapse.
So, the church bought that building and demolish them! instead of compensate them.
About Buddhism, My mom goes One of The Big Buddhish Temple.
The Temple on the center of Seoul, and The temple is like headquarter to most of Buddhish People.
Anyway, Mother tell me a rumor that 'how to monks get needed money'.
When Monks tell Rich and Enthusiastic Devotee, The Devotee bring Money to Monks!
They donot care how much the monks needed!
Anyway, Some people said : 'the money must returned to people through donation and volunteer, not fancy building or festival.'
My father and My brother and I have no religion.
But sometimes, I reach hand to sky and prey to Quetzalcoatl.
(I donot heat my body parts with fire or pierce body like original Aztec priests.)
I prey them to give me a strength and wisdom and luck.
Surprisingly, The prey work well!
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Anyway, Do you know any Mythology or Story about Itzamna?
Very Sorry for annoying question.
As you know, It's hard to find Mesoamerican Stuff.
As I said someday. :
"Here S.Korea, There are very limited books about Aztec-Maya-Inca.
Literally, you can count them with your one hand!
But the book give summarized information.
And also few internet site (like ko.mythology.wikia.com/) provide information about Aztec-Maya-Inca.
But they give unreliable and uncorrect information."
Please understand me.
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mmmm about Itzamná, there are a lot of stories and beliefs. I.E. they said that Itzamná brought the northenr mayan people from beyond the Jade Sea (the Caribbean) opening a path and walking at the sea bottom sorrounded by walls of water (Like Moses, from the jewish Bible) and coming to the actual "Isla Mujeres" (Women's Island) just the east of Yucatán.
This has been take it by some "UFO" believers like a proof that Mayan people were Atlanteans.
Funny, at his image (from a book that i can't find yet) he is seated like an Ahau (lord) offering a chaliss (a "grial") with something like light above it... that's why catholic priest hold a grudge against the mayan codexs, because they thought that their simmilitudes and alikes with christian bible and rithuals just were a mockering inspired by the Devil...
Anyway, Itzamná was like the norse Odin, a wise traveler who give the people the means to survive after coming to this land.
of course, there are a lot of legends about him, but this is the main i can remember right now.
I hope you had succes on your school, by the way
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Thanks for Favorite!
Actually I use Image of Wiki to fine color, similar to original.
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i like your drawing it is willing clean i love your stuff . i can not want to see what you do next
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It's so glad to Pro-Artist like you enjoyed my stuff!!!
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