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laughingvulcan — CyCon p18 Revision
Published: 2013-02-27 19:29:02 +0000 UTC; Views: 4825; Favourites: 26; Downloads: 77
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This is an revised version of Flamekin2's 'Cybernetic Transformation', pg 18 (seen HERE:[link] ) , but they make a slightly different choice...4076 is STUBBORN!
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Well...if they kept their human memories...they WOULD be rather ticked off at 4076 by now.
YES, we have RADICALLY upgraded bodies, but what have we been forced into NOW?!
...And ALEXIS, she lost not ONLY her HUMANITY, but her MASCULINITY as well...not nice...
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Very nice. Though out the two I like this one better
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This is what I had in mind when I tweaked the copy on the other pages.
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This one just seem to suit more of who Alexis and Ellie are though how we been managing and delevoping them. Ellie seem to have more of an attachment then Alexis though from my POV though.
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Alexis has an EQUALLY strong attachment, but the TF made Ellie very TALKATIVE!!
From shy to outspoken in 10 Earth minutes!
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Also not saying that Alexis does not have a strong attachment to her former life. Its just not AS strong as Ellie's or Hecate's
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Hey, as long as she can make friends with us Specimens, I'm cool with that!
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Of course she can make friends with them as she probably have easier time of doing that then Ellie does.
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That I could see too and also made so that possibly does not keep quite about things she would have otherwise.
yup
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Thank you, Vulcan. Thanks for changing the one part of the original story I absolutely HATED. Destroying a person's personality completely is akin to murder to me, and it sullied an otherwise fantastic story. It makes me feel much better to know that they are still themselves, no matter what else has changed about them.
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Thanks!
I didn't like that part of the original, either, tho I DID love the story.
I felt the wipe...didn't REALLY serve a purpose, and (personally) I think that BOTH of them would REFUSE to have everything wiped.
I DO have an alternate take (HERE: [link] ) that's CLOSER to what Flamekin came up with in the original, but keeps their personal memories of the other...and their names, unlike the COMPLETE memory wipe of the original. (THAT take depends on them having human families they pretty much hated, tho.)
THIS one is my preference, though. It both feels better, and gives the BOTH of them more material to work with in their futures.
Any of the Vulcan/Kamon CyCon bits, you can assume are happening in THIS reality in the Multiverse.
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I agree. Although your other version is a nice compromise, I prefer this one myself.
I ALSO understand the reason for the total wipe in the original. Much, if not most, of the Mind Control fetish community DOES enjoy the complete elimination of a prior personality. They enjoy the idea that the new persona completely and totally supplants the original. That's what the original comic was doing: by the time the robotization was complete, all free will in the subjects had been completely removed, essentially destroying the identity before the memories were erased. As I said, for me that's tantamount to murder, but there are many people who like that sort of thing.
It should be noted, however, that I am not against a person CHANGING who they are as a result of a TF. If a person's mind is completely intact immediately after a change, but you come back 6 months later and they seem like a totally different person because of the choices THEY MADE to accommodate their new selves, that's perfectly fine with me.
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Thanks.
I never thought of that...that there'd be a fetish Community for Mind Control...I just looked at the story and at the two of them giving up the CORE of themselves (IMO) for what I saw as no reason and wondered, 'Why?!'
I agree with you here.
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Again, sorry if what I said came across as mean or bullying.
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Not a problem. It's good to have differing viewpoints.
Your warning about Flanderization got me to think a bit more about 4076's personality, and kept me from treating her as a one-note villain. (She DOES have feelings, but she's LOATHE to show them.)
I was figuring here that, since their original deletion decision only would logically affect their feelings toward each other and none of the other Gynoidians, why would they NOT keep their memories and feelings for each other?
They BOTH wind up with the same jobs, and both behave the same from this point (as far as we know until Flamekin does a sequel).
(AS was seen in the Cy Con Revision for page 24(HERE: [link] ), BOTH Ellie & Alexis are referring to the humans as 'Specimens', so there WAS a certain amount of programming done.
Their feelings/memories will just be in the back of their minds while they do their jobs.)
The only REAL points of change would be what we don't see (yet)...
How they show affection to each other when Alexis returns to the ship, and how the additional knowledge of the human condition/psychology would assist Alexis in fulfilling her quota of convertees.
If the choice here RADICALLY altered the trajectory of the story, THEN it would be a problem, but, as far as I can see, it doesn't.
Ellie still goes about cleaning the ship, and Alexis goes down to Earth to have sex & look for potential Candidates.
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"An ironic way to look at it in the original is that they had each other, and that was the only thing of their old lives that truly mattered."
They had each other PRIOR to the TF...but, logically, AFTER the TF & the memory deletion, would they care for each other as much WITHOUT the memories to stir thier feelings about their time together? Would they have the same connection? Or would they just look at each other with the normal, reduced 'Sisterly' Gynoidian affection?
I personally think they would LOSE the special connection.
I feel that if they are to continue to HAVE that deep, loving bond that they showed on page 1, they need at least SOME of the memories.
I'll probably do a version 2 here, just to see what comes out...
Hedge my bets like John Lennon in 'Revolution'...
Be well, Alex...
And thank you for the honesty.
Greg
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BTW: An ironic way to look at it in the original is that they had each other, and that was the only thing of their old lives that truly mattered.
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This reminds me of my editor.
I had it that the heroes choose to NOT beat the already fatally wounded, helpless, and dying evil overlord to a pulp, basically breaking script.
While I can appreciate your attitude, my editor CHANGED what I had originally intended and made it so the heroes gleefully beat the dying helpless evil overlord to a pulp, making the main hero's forgiveness of him next scene completely confusing and contrary.
I feel you changing Flamekin's original story THIS much feels like what they did in the remake of Clash of the Titans where they tried to make it too much like God of War instead of the original. In the original, it was about human hubris being the source of most of the character's troubles, in the remake, it was divine in fighting. And instead of accepting the gifts of the gods, here the hero keeps giving them the finger for reasons that DID NOT happen in the original film. Basically turning things on their head.
Maybe it's just my personal preference talking, and I'm sorry if I come across as high and mighty, but that's my emotional response (ironically).
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