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Market in Canton
bad land for cats.... and dogs....
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I agree, we all know that those or even worse things exist in the world, but there are documentary films, a special TV broadcasts. Maybe it's the desire to shock? If so, DA is not that place,
there are a lot teenagers loving animals on DA, I'm sorry, but they should not have look at this,too early...
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I think it's confronting and provocative. It's a piece that stimulates discussion and brings into light a multitude of different ethical issues regarding animal cruelty and culture clashes.
The poster obviously didn't intend the picture to be promoting violence towards animals. It's a journalistic picture. To censor it would be to deny the problem and bury your heads in the sand. You think the world is full of puppies and rainbows? How about a world where people can't afford farmed meat? Where 'domesticated' animals are the easiest to breed and live off?
Removing this from DA will not solve the problem. If you don't want to see it, don't look at it. Until then, stop being so narrow-minded and shallow.
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Not wanting to see something and denying its existence are two completely different things. This is the same kind of excuse they've been using to put horrible things in nature documentaries recently. We don't need the pictures shoved in our faces to know what's going on in the world. Basically, you're wrong. Just because I don't want to look at something doesn't mean I don't acknowledge its existence. I just don't want to see it, because it repulses me.
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Nice words, but then again we are biased. We call this a problem but we don't see it the same way if it were a chicken or a pig. We paternalize other cultures without questioning our own habits. We are arrogant: the same "cruelty" you see here is the same as we make lobsters endure, cows and fish.
Other cultures could very much look at ours and call us barbarians.
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It should get tagged as mature content though. I think it is absolutely scandalous that a picture of two men kissing gets mature content, but one of a dog hanging from the ceiling with his guts pouring out does not. I for one would have liked a warning; I most likely wouldn't have clicked the thumbnail if I had known. Now I can't unsee it. Great job, DA.
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Here here! You can argue that it may not be the best photo, or doesn't deserve a DD. But it is provoking in-depth conversation, as well as challenging ideas of what is, and what isn't 'art', whether intended or not. I think for that challenge alone it deserves to be highlighted.
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^This, a thousand times this.
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Congrats on the well deserved DD!
Have a nice day! : )
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this not deserves nothing, not art, or even like, I get rejected, as can hurt an animal?
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This is where cultures meet
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OUTSTANDING Image...brilliant photojournalism
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Keep going! The thing is with photojournalism, in my opinion, is that it is needed to capture moments in life like this, good or bad, to have insight into other cultures, such as the Afghan girl with the green eyes, or better express certain issues, like the monks setting themselves in fire to protest and the burning of villages caused from the Vietnam War.
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I fail to see why this could have ever been featured, let alone even posted in the first place. It's a dead animal hung up by a hook with its guts hanging out... why even subject others to this sort of imagery? Even both the suggestor and featurer failed to provide any reason or explanation whatsoever. I don't get it.
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Anyone who doesn't want to be informed is free to ignore journalism in any form and should regard the term as a warning.
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Because technically speaking, this pic is well executed and fulfil its role of photojournalistic photograph.
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Maybe because this is photojournalism and that journalism should not be sensured, just because we don't want to see or hear something we don't like?
I see this DD as a reminder for this.
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Here here! I agree!
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I agree. There isn't any artistic quality of it. Sure, photojournalisim. Showing the horror this does happen but it lacks any sort of value otherwise. It's just shock factor, nothing more or less. The artist and photographer has MANY DD worthy pieces in their gallery, this is not a good representation of the artist and DA as a whole.
Now, I am part of DA's taxidermy community, there are whole frozen carcasses of animals for reference and/or stock as well as bones and pelts. Never get DDs. The taxi community is instead flamed and harassed for it, and they aren't even dogs or cats. Hell, even a fully finished taxidermy mount being posted, a shit storm turns up, yet a market place photo of a dog hanging is perfectly okay and gets a nod from DA.
It's not even macabre either, in case anyone hops on that schtick. It's unbridled gore, not photoshop, special effects, makeup, blended stock. It is real. I love how strict DA is with nude photography yet stuff like this is allowed. I find this much more annoying to see get a DD than a naked woman covering her vagina and everyone thinking she's fingering herself. That was removed. :/ I also bet there is not another picture like this on DA, of a dog or cat... Roadkill and livestock don't count. As well as death shots of rotting corpses found. This is a different plateau of gore.
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You and the original poster disappoint me greatly, in this case. The composition of this image is actually well put together. The photographer took a non-staged environment and made the absolute best out of his available angles and environment to capture a piece of a separate culture, one that declares this animal as food. This is not gory. This is not macabre. This is not even roadkill. It is, to the people of Canton, livestock. A food source, sold whole, and presented to the public just as we present our syran-wrapped steaks.
This is also photojournalism, and does a very good job at its own job: presenting a side of the world that many of us who live in a more "civilized" country are used to. Believe it or not, butchers still exist in America that display 'whole animals'. As someone who used to work in a restaurant, we would get entire cow carcasses and butcher them out ourselves from a local supplier. If you do not want to see the world as it currently is, then do not look to modern media. Close your eyes, turn off your news, never pick up another magazine.
You also make me ill to be so judgmental of what another culture sees as perfectly norm.
Posts like this make me think of some lyrics from a song:
I’ll be the one to protect you from your enemies and all your demons
I'll be the one to protect you from a will to survive and a voice of reason
I'll be the one to protect you from your enemies and your choices son
They're one in the same, I must isolate you…
Isolate and save you from yourself …
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You're perfectly right in saying that in certain areas of China dogs are simply another source of meat, like cows or chickens or whatever. This is, then, partly a snapshot of a certain culture which most of us will probably never see.
At the same time, though, the particular aspect of Chinese culinary culture displayed here certainly speaks to me, and I'm certain many other people, in an unsettling way. I live in Beijing and have seen (American) friends devour plates of dog meat, telling me that it's just another animal; why should it be different from eating a pig?
Because pigs, no matter how intelligent and cute you may believe one to be, do not have the same historical or modern relationship with humans. Pigs, cows, chickens, sheep - all the animals that we traditionally consume in the West have been domesticated and bred over the millennia as a source of food. Dogs and cats have been domesticated and bred as either hunting companions or simple sources of companionship. I know many Chinese who refuse to eat dog meat, and it should come as no surprise that many Westerners also find the idea, at the very least, disconcerting.
The Southern Chinese are known here in the north for eating stuff that oughtn't be touched. Eggs with half-grown embryos inside, birds' nests - I've even heard claim of the consumption of human foetuses. Personally, I believe that it's OK to judge other people when they have done something you find truly horrendous. I find the slow and painful beating to death of dogs for food quite horrendous.
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Now that is something, in a way, that I can get behind. The beating and such of animals. Cruelty is not uncommon in the world of large scale butchery, and even some cases in small scale. It IS bad, it is something to cry out against, it is unnecessary especially in a modern culture where we know death is instant with a single properly placed attack to key parts of the central nervous system (IE: many parts of the brain).
However, where my qualms lay is within people outcrying violently against something just because they happen to find it disturbing. In a way, yes, this garners change. But in another it garners racism and social blindness. Through images like this, the world can become aware of the circumstances around the way these animals are being killed and put on sale. Without them? No one would care. Basically, don't hate the photographer for taking the picture and sharing it. Don't hate DA for broadening the audience. Hate and insult the process, instead, not the people reporting it. Or, even more basically... Don't shoot the messenger.
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Very apt. Don't shoot the messenger.
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This whole conversation, and others like it, are one of the unique features of deviantart I love so much... When it comes to the way deviantart handles these things, however, I do have to say it has messed up. I think that Artistic Nude, Stuffed Body, Real Dead Animal, Shock Factor, etc... (There are many others) should all have their own unique area of selection underneath the "Mature Content" filter and only show up if "Mature Content" has been selected as a Yes in the uploading process. Also I believe said categories should be disabled/enabled for viewing on your account just like Mature Content itself is, that way these works can get the kinds of interesting comments they deserve to have instead of mindless flame.
Now on for the work itself, (Personal Opinion Time) I have to say the photograph is decent but not quite DD worthy. While the lighting was done perfectly the mid-ground fuses into the foreground and background rather oddly, taking your eyes on a bleh journey after the initial spark, in other words this picture is worth one long look but I do not believe it is one that a viewer would likely go back to if due primarily to the composition of the piece... Were that done better though I honestly think this would be more than worthy of a DD...
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i completly agree with you, i think its digusting and i prefer seeing 'naked' bodys, ok, no porn, but just a naked body nice photgraphed? nothing sexistic to it though. but arent we all human, we are normally all naked 
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What the f**k is this s**t!? This is seriously f**ked up dA!
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This is a photojournalist picture.
Photojournalism is made to inform and so does this picture.
It sure isn't what an European will want to find at its market place, but this is reality in some other place
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Well, I know but.. I have a dog which I love and I also know how dogs are beaten before they are killed and.. I don't know, it's just very disturbing.
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Yes it is disturbing. I have dogs too, the photographer has many cats at his home (and not in the fridge)... I'm sure it was disturbing for the photographer too to discover this on the market.
This photograph shows me so much about cultures in general. I, you, they... are all fruits from own cultures and we all react according to it.
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I don't object to this picture being on DA. If it was like the artist who tortured and starved a dog awhile back, and labeled it art, then I could understand. This is no different than walking into China town in any city, and seeing the ducks, chickens, piglets, strung up for people to buy and eat.
There is nothing here of a torture aspect, it's just the way meat is hung. Food is food.
Myself, I'm not going to go out and tell another country what they can or cannot eat, as long as they are doing it smartly, and in a way that doesn't make whatever they are eating extinct... or eat it alive.
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Actually. Skewing aside my opinions. You do bring up a valid point, dog meat was sold in many places in Europe. A UK pub in the past few years was actually caught selling dog meat labeled as another type of meat. It is proof it still happens elsewhere, the artist leaves it very vague though on the main point of the photo, whilst the focal point in a horrific site.
While I understand it is photojournalisim, who knows, maybe even get the ball rolling for people to think... Food for thought (ironically) I still will stick to my opinion on it not really being a piece to be submitted on DA. Just not the place, stir up more harm than good.
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and I wouldn't mind if My little pony-art disappeared from DA's front page.
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stir up more harm than good
It is truly possible.
And I'm sure it wasn't the purpose of the photographer to bring any good, nice feeling, happiness... with this shot.
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I've always assumed dogs and cats wouldn't make very good tasting meat, because they're predators. Might anyone else offer some insight on this topic?
As unfortunate as seeing a dog or cat strung up in a meat market is, I still fail to see how it's any different from doing the same with any other "food" animal.
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I know I'll be hated for this comment but,
Both Dog and Cat meat taste very good, incredibly sweet if a bit "gamey" or fairly chewy.
To possibly divert some "heat" it was part of a cultural aspect that I decided to abide by in-order to assure that supplies would be guaranteed to a group.
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Well I'm surprised 
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Many people view eating dogs and cats as taboo. Others see it as part of holy bonding (such as the Hawiian Poi dog. Saw as a diety, companion animal and a source of food in ancient Hawaii.) Then there is some countries who eat them just off survival.
Being a carnivore doesn't mean bad tasting meat, people ear bear... And in Africa there are many forms of carnivora thrown into the grouping "bush meat" even primates. People in Alaska also eat wolves, foxes and lynx too. Kind of waste not mentality.
I have no idea otherwise myself.
As for the picture, yeah, it's no different than seeing ducks and cickens in a marketplace, just the bond people have with these animals makes that tolerance distorted. (Honestl I just find it appaling it is on DA. I thought I clicked on a PETA ad.)
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I remember reading in a documentary that when men had to eat a bear out of desperation it gave them horrible indigestion, but I don't know if that was just in their case, and not bear meat overall.
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I tried bear a looong time ago, and I recall it tasting kind of sweet,
like beef jerky.
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Really? Neat! XD
I'd love to try bear. I'd probably take pictures just so I could brag to people that I'd eaten a bear before, for funs
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Hehe well I couldn't tell what it was by looking,
it was just a slab of meat a friend brought back from a hunting trip
If you get the opportunity, go for it. New experiences are always worth bragging about
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Indeed! Especially when they make you sound awesome x3c
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