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Well... I had this idea stuck in my head for quite some time. I think it was inspired by a comment? Not sure, it dates back to the before-the-whole-portfolio-mess September so yeah. But seriously... Assassin AND a pirate? I'm not impressed. Sure, it's cool, but kinda far fetched. As they say, you can serve only one master, that being either you yourself and selfish pirate life OR the cause. And I don't know if any of you've noticed, but the whole Brotherhood stopped being a thing after the first game, which had probably the most self-centered protagonist of all. Still, there was the Creed, feathers that actually meant something besides an annoying collectible, a hierarchy in which we had to fit in somewhere because we were a part of it. And then we get Ezio... Don't get me wrong, I love Ezio and his ass is still a very close call to Altair's, but his motivation was revenge, pretty much - some save-the-world thrown in as a bonus. And as the games progressed, he was only getting more and more badass... which made him less. Liiike, with Altair we had some serious character building. And Ezio kinda barges in, kills them all with double blades, his pistol and a crossbow, then single-handedly rebuilds the Brotherhood. Yeah right. Catch me coz I'm gonna swoon.
I'm not even gonna comment on Connor. I'm NOT. Poor thing, he had such a potential.
Now, I haven't played ACIV yet. Let's say, for personal reasons. So I might be utterly wrong, though I don't suspect I am. After all, the timeframe makes sense and all that XDDD
This shit took so long. I was pissed at first but then I realized my usual comics have one third or fourth of the characters I had to draw here... so yeah, kinda made sense for it to take longer. Still, took longer than it should have. Not to mention a blue screen of death that happened in the meantime... quite lovely. Quite fucking far from a checkpoint. Oh well, I made peace with the fact I won't get enough sleep today anyway.
If you have any issues with details being off or sloppy, please shut the fuck up. These outfits gonna kill me someday.
PS: I'm so friggin proud of Edward's face in the last panel XD Not exactly what I had in mind, but...
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I know how you feel. I loved all the Assassin's Creed games up until 3. The story? Not bad, just not very well written, and the controls were HORRID. As for 4? WHAT EVEN.
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come on, pirates are amazing... anyway, your art illustrates amazingly how it went, love the expressions, specially the drunk one.
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Of course they are! I'm a pirate myself. And a viking. But you know how it goes... Awesome + awesome doesn't necessarily equal awesome. Like, you wouldn't eat chocolate ice cream with a burger even tho separately they taste divine, you know what I'm saiying? Food is either sweet or salty (and buncha other flavors), never both.
Thank you : ) I happen to be proud of that one myself.
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Amazing! XD
Instead of "What was I supposed to do?", Connor should've said "What would you have me do?".
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Could you explain to me why? Does the "supposed" version sound wonky?
Thank you : )
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I wish I could fave this more than one time ...
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Piękne! :bravo: Co prawda uwielbiam pirackie klimaty i czwóka mi odpowiada, a AC3 kocham za fabułę, to jednak są już zupełnie czymś innym niż wcześniejsze gry.
Cudna ekspresja. Zwłaszcza Edward na końcu.
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Sama kocham piratów i AC4 pewnie okaże się świetną grą, ale wciskanie nam kitu że tu dalej chodzi o Asasynów i Bractwo to trochę przesada. AC3 było dobre tylko trochę spłaszczyli Connora. No i WSZĘDZIE musieli go wcisnąć, często na siłę. To mnie wkurzyło : I
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Zaraz, Connor... Hmm... Connor... Aaa, ten! 
AC4 ledwo zaczęłam, ale póki co wątki asasynów i templariuszy mi nie przeszkadzają, zwłaszcza że Edward jest rzeczywiście piratem, a nie jakimś szlachetnym samotnikiem-wojownikiem o wolność, który przypadkiem ufarbował banderę na czarno. Gra się nim dużo lepiej niż Connorem.
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Oh, you have the same point as me. In my opinion, the only game REALLY about assassin's creed was the first one. (maybe 'revelations' a little bit too)
The last part is just about pirates, but not about the assassins, and it is very sad, I think
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Exactly. That is, not to say these were bad games. Pretty enjoyable, still pretty cool but lacked something. I'd say ACII was still pretty good - not in the matters of brotherhood (and the thing when Ezio becomes an assassin when he finds an assassin cosplay? oh puh-lease. that's not how you become an assassin!), but in the matters of freshness and overall shit-that-kept-us-entertained. And then was the Brotherhood which was the same, only uglier Ezio (personal view) and one big town instead of a few distinctive ones (lazyyyyyy). I know it was pretty varied when it comes to architecture and shit, but overall it was just one map we were stick to. Running back and forth, back and forth. And the whole "there's that one guy you're too stupid to chase down until the very end of the game" thing. Nothing... new.
Revelations I was bitterly disappointed with, mainly because of the whole marketing strategy with Altair's return - I thought the playthrough would be closer to 50-50 but nooo, we got the old fart for the most of the game. Yusuf was the lonely savior there as for me. That and Istambul was really beautiful, I caught a hint of what was in the first game there.
Is it? Well, I called it. You can't be a pirate AND an Assassin, you're bound to half-ass at least one.
Ya know, shitting on all these games like that we can't possibly ommit the fact that AC was the weakest of the series plot-wise. mean, what kind of plot is: here you have a list, kill these 9 bosses. I'm devastated with the fact that basically everything that could be said about Altair was said T_T No chance of a reboot coz the plot was so weak, no place for expanding on it without breaking the continuity of the series. Aw shucks!
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Yep, they all have their ups and downs, but I am still a fan of this games.
Speaking about Revelations, I really liked this part because of Istambul (it was sooo beautifuk, I spent hours just going around the city xD) and ecause of Altair's part. It was really interesting to know more about my fav character and his family. BUT I fuckin hated the part when Ezio was writing letters! It was so boring and stupid.
You are right about the plot, it is quite monotonous. You had to do the same thins during all the game :\
Ah, and about AC4's modern part. What do you think of it?
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just saw this while in the college library and i'm having to stifle my laughs XD loving the faces in the final panel, especially Edward's face. I recently completed AC4 (no spoilers 
This flash is Edward in a nutshell cristgaming.com/pirate.swf
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I love Edward's face here xDD
i want to play ac4 T^T but my graphic card will not let me ;c;
*taking rum bottle form Edward and sit in corner*
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Don't lose faith! Ya know, back when AC came out I couldn't play it either. (Damn... I was 12 and knew what was good already XDD) Alright, that might have been a little different coz being 12, I realized there's small chance I'll get to play +18 but whatever. And when I finally came back to the idea, my bro enlightened me that my computer's processor is too weak. So, goodbye, my dream! ...That's what I thought. Then I met my friend Lynx, we started playing games together and one time I mentioned that I've always wanted to play that game, tho I'm not sure it was up her alley... Needless to say, it was. We both fangirled over it equally. At first I thought she was joking when she said she had a PC good enough to run that thing.
Soooo... yay for late bloomers! I don't know if I would've been so excited about AC if I got to play it earlier. By extension, none of my AC comics might have been drawn. So don't despair, it all might turn out much better in the end ; ) Who knows? Maybe you'll find a friend to play this game with. I assure you, it's four times as fun this way!
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well actually my cousin got for free with her new graph card.. but shes almost living now with her bf on the other side of country ;-;
my procesor is not enough for ac4 too ;-;
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Haha. That´s hilarious. I love it.
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Do you not remember when he tore Rodrigo's hand off and legitimately said 'killing you won't bring my family back?' He learned. He grew night and day from ACII, and in Brotherhood- yeah, he's still a player, whatever, but he still gets hurt- like when Caterina tells him, by the way I just fucked you for your army, which didn't do me much good anyway. Altair actually got a guy killed and saw his brother-in-arms get his removed. Altair and Ezio are QUITE similar. I do hate the way they just kinda threw recruits at you and said 'ayyy, look you rebuilt the brotherhood.' Well that was simple. Ezio caught my heart in Brotherhood when he talks to the crying boy on the docks. I could care less about him being a badass, that's just a bonus. I feel like the guy isn't given enough credit where it's due.
Sorry. Massive theoretical disagree. Had to comment. lol. Don't take it personally, I just talk aggressively. People think way too hard on it.
As for Edward, he matures by the end of the game too. GREAT story writing with this one. But I got tired of the pirate mess too. The trailers make it seem like he's fighting some revolution or something with his pirate ways. Not at all accurate. Let me down a bit.
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I ommited great amount of plot detail to make it easier to grasp the general idea. Yes, I know Ezio had some major character building, but this still leaves him a too-awesome-for-his-own-good Mary Sue - at least partially. My way of "forgetting" these things was fully intentional and meant only to enhance the riddiculousness of the comic. I don't deny him being a fleshed-out character with his own motivations and feelings, but I don't like how the general picture was painted. And him being a badass might be irrelevant to you, but it's pretty relevant to the plot, drives the plot even, you might say.
Hey, I'm not here to argue Ezio was a bad character. I don't think he was. I happen to utterly adore him. However, I don't like some things about him and here I focused on those things. Once again, exaggeration - makes for a clearer story, more hilarious idea.
Hmm, I don't remember that scene with Caterina. When was is?
As I said, I can't really judge Edward before I've played the game. So I have no ground to either agree or disagree here. I do expect him to be just as captivating as the other protagonists from the AC series. Ubisoft will provide sufficient explanations, I'm sure. But it doesn't mean I'll have to buy any shit from them - heck, I loved AC for the Assassins, the Creed, the Brotherhood! And here it's straying as far from that as possible. Liiiike, I'm gonna mothafucking barge in with my ship and murder everyone. Really? Hella subtle. Much assassin-way. Quiet n' all.
Hon, you can disagree with me all day! I'm always up for a good discussion ; ) Thank you for taking the time to type that comment.
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I think that's mainly because they forget to give the other characters ANYTHING to do. They just lie in wait to give the game makers another mission for the player, at the detriment of the story. I feel like if they'd write the story and then insert a game they'd have more luck translating plot-game and picking and choosing what to and not do. Also, creates more opportunity for DLC's and other playable characters- which means money for the companies. Which is what an INDUSTRY is all about anyway, right? lol.
But back to your 'Mary-Sue' comment. Ezio is far from a Mary-Sue. Most of the fandom seems to think he's typical because he's a ladies man. A guy who ACTUALLY has that much sway with women are far few and between. Most of them get an attitude and stomp their feet and whine and cry the first time a woman doesn't give them their way. Real-life ones anyway. But the way AC writes like 99% of their women they end up falling over characters like Duccio as well. He's a poster boy, but I severely disagree with your assessment of he's a Mary-Sue. Bella swan, is a useless, Mary-Sue. Ezio Auditore is more of a Selene from underworld raging badass character who's always doing all the work because the writers just flat out forgot there's an entire story to write. Minus Ezio doesn't have a waste-away, Mary-sue, boyfriend he's always having to save. Seriously, Michael, MAN UP. You're supposedly stronger than all the damn werewolves and shit... ughf.
I won't disagree- think your comic is funnier than crap. It was the description part I took to disagreeing with. XP
When he rescues her from the Castello, she tells him that she only slept with him to procure his armies. He responds 'el politica, *sigh* I knew it...' you can tell it wounds him, and way more than he'll say out loud. If she knew a thing about the man, she'd know he'd have glady given her his swords without sharing her bed because he absolutely adored the woman for who and WHAT she was, but she bedded him anyways- which toyed with his heart, which I am NOT okay with and gave me a great disdain for her. But all the 'strong' women in AC (pre Black Flag) seem to be potty-mouths and the fandom goes all falling over them because they're so 'badass.' Nah, they're cool, but half of a what makes a great female character is a woman who embraces her femininity uses it to further herself. Sorry, Major Anne Boleyn/Queen Elizabeth fan, gotta stop. So, idk about great. Mary Read? Now, THERE'S a durn fine woman. I'll toss in some Anne Bonny too.
Wow. Very pirate. So stealth. Much Assassin. Wow. Yeah, the story writing and gameplay (minus the fucking boatrides) in AC4 is ASTOUNDING, and the characterization, unf. BUT, yeah, like I might as well just play a POTC game. Why even bother calling it AC4? But towards the end Edward starts to learn. Edward really needs a sequel if we're gonna call him an assassin though.
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Okay, he's not a Mary Sue, I know he's got some serious character building and shit. I said he was partially a MS because I get that vibe from him. You know why? Because it's always HIM who does something, always can save the day, even tho he's surrounded by people who're far more experienced than him and somehow he ends up the one who can actually do shit. And he's oh! so perfect, ladies love him, everybody wants help from him coz he what? Looks capable? What the hell. And he's apparently world-famous amongst the Assassins but somehow I don't see why he should be all that respect. He's badass, but there's no good enough reason to explain this level of awesomeness and respect he's given. I'm not against awesome, you know, but I'm severely against insufficient, NO-LOGIC character building. You can do everything with your character, story and whatevver as long as you can justify it in the way I'll nod and say "seems legit". And Ezio gets only a half of that nod, you know what I'm saying? Can't say he is, can't say he's not. And that's my problem.
As for comparing him to Bella Swan, I'd rather not. Ezio is a fantasy for men, not women. Bella is the one for women and sadly, we still have to distinguish these two. Bella is a romantivc fantasy whereas Ezio is a male power/ladies popularity fantasy. So if you do need to, pick someone from his own league. Batman for example.
Thanks! I'll have to rewatch that scene. I haven't caught that piece, totally slipped my mind.
I can't really argue women in AC because I still haven't seen the Black Flag, and I avoid spoilers.
That's exactly my problem, ya know? I was okay with pretty much everything till they brought the ships in. Liiike... I don't like vehicles. Ships are double annoying, especially in AC. Big, bulky and hard to steer. And now what, MORE of it?! Fuck this shit. If I wanted ships, I would have picked another game. Gimme my Assassins back! Like, I don't care, make them killing machines, whatever. Just give them back T_T I hate ships. Boats I mean, not ships. Some ships are good.
You saying? Well, that's interesting. Makes me even more eager to play it. If he's not painted as a super-duper Assassin, it might turn out not to be all that bad after all.
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Your disdain for the half nod seems misplaced. That's what I'm saying lol. He's a great character that's given an un-level playing field. Not a character flaw, an enviornmental one. It's not Ezio's character flaw that makes everyone else always like you said, want him to play hero for them. One- we've gotta remember this is a video game, and they're always doing that because it gives Ezio something to do and the player something to play, (especially with brotherhood and with Revelations, they stopped trying to make sure the missions held context to the bigger picture, as with AC2 every mission was always a part of something bigger than just Ezio's personal plight.) and two- it a lack of writers putting effort into supporting characters who carry the story. I feel like they should write AC like a book and then create the gameplay around the book, tweeking what they need to in order to make it work as a game. Like Uncharted or Tomb Raider (the new one) do so beautifully. Those may not be everyone's favorite game but no one can say they don't make the transition of story-game a seamless one.
Men/women has nothing to do with it. Mary-Sue is a term for a badly written character. Bella swan is a Mary-sue because she's badly written and characterized. She kind of is just there for these other characters to interacts with and barely at any point has any characterization of her own. That has nothing to do with symbology or iconography. Symbology and characterization- at least in this discussion are not the same thing. Related, perhaps. But I'm related to my sister as well. That doesn't even make us similar, just a part of the same family.
There's another that I particularly loved, with Ezio speaking to the little boy crying on the docks before he goes to kill the slaver. It's those little moments that I think really make a good character stand out. Really a great example of that is almost any scene in A Game of Thrones with Ned Stark and his children. Omg, make you cry. lol.
Yeah, I tried to avoid giving anything distinct away. You'll discover all the Blag Flag stuff I'm referencing in due time. I do my best to build stuff up around a spoiler without giving a spoiler away so that people are amped to go read/play/watch it. Whatever 'it' is. Usually with me it's Game of Thrones though...
I personally loved the Gameplay of the ships once I got good with it in AC3- but CONNOR STILL PLAYED LIKE AN ASSASSIN. And honestly? The pirate thing would have been AMAZING if they'd kept it true to some kind of 'bring down the empire' mentality, or given Edward a cause. But he just sort of aimlessly roams about doing things as they come to him. Now- this doesn't make AC4 a bad game. Far from it, but I was severely frustrated with it basically having nothing to do with being as assassin. And once you open up fast travel stations, it's not so bad. It's just getting there that sucks.
Edward's not painted as an assassin at all through most of the game, the trailers are far more misleading than the game itself. He almost becomes an assassin by complete accident. It works for him though. And Edward's pretty charming, he annoyed me at first and I thought he was completely mediocre, by the end of the game I adored him.
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Ya know, when I roleplay with people who have Mary Sues as their characters, they tend not to leave much for the others. And I just can't call it my character's fault that everytime I try to do something interesting, the MS in question has to do everything for me. Ezio does EVERYTHING. He never fails, NEVER. This, THIS makes him an insufferable git. Yes, you might recall some missions that didn't exacly go as planned, but it's all right in the end.
Environmental flaw? Oh please. There are the "environmental flaws" that aren't really a character's fault, and then there are some you just... can't get over. It's probably the way Ezio goes about it - like, "ooouuh, you do shit, now Im gonna save Roma uhhh", "you just sit here, Immma gonna go save us all", "omg she was captured, sit on yer butts I don need ur help savin her".
Once again, you can't separate "badly written" from a badly written character. And I'm still saying that Ezio wasn't exactly a badly written character, but he wasn't such a good role model either. Still, badly written or not - that's what he was. His character had issues, acknowledge that. He's not perfect. That's all I'm saying. I still think he's awesome, and I still hate him for being such in-a-bad-way perfect Assassin.
Ooooh no. No. No. DON'T mention mention the new Tomb Raider and Assassin's Creed in the same room. The disease might spread. Though it's probably a late warning... they're already taking away everything I loved about AC. Still, ends up better than TR anyway.
Men/women has everything to do with it. Mary Sue is a girl, male term was never really agreed upon. Men and women will never be Mary Sues in the same way... well, at least as long as the gender stereotypes live long happily ever after. Female Mary Sues are created for different purposes than male ones so please, cease comparing these two different things. Like you said, same family, not similiar. What they have in common is that they both suck.
Yeah, I know ACIV is gonna be enjoyable. I wouldn't expect any less. Edward can't be all that detestable either - I'm just arguing the ideals here, that's what I don't like. Nothing personal.
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And in what way does your fictional role-playing pertain to Ubisoft's bad cast of supporting characters and an complete absence of their motivations? That has nothing to do with what I said. And Ezio's a video game character. Acknowledge that. Yeah, he does do everything. That's sort of the point. If you want a movie, go watch one. The video game makes you do everything because you're the player. That in no way is a fault within Ezio, that's the very nature of a video game. Ezio's faults have to do with his temper, his lack of depth, yes- I will admit that the portions of the plot that we focus most on make him seem cookie-cutter in that superman always saves the day sort of way- that doesn't make Ezio a Mary-sue anymore than it makes Superman. Is the man supposed to lose his head to gain your respect? I mean, he's the hero of a videogame.... is he NOT supposed to go out and kill the bad guys? Do you get mad at Batman everytime he locks the joker away? Being mad at the character because he always suceeds is just stupid. He's SUPPOSED to win. Would Ezio be a better character if he died in your book? Your mad at the character because the plot sucks. That's got to do with the author, not the character. That's like being mad at your father because Disneyworld wasn't everything you hoped it would be, and your dad took you there.
Ezio literally never does that. Ever. But would he be so much better if he went off barking orders at everyone instead of doing the work himself? Is he supposed to sit on his ass and expect things to get done or? I'm missing what relevance your issue has with him. There's once that he asks Machiavelli what sort of underground they have to work with, and since Machiavelli hasn't done shit in the however many (and there were, VERY many) YEARS he's been in Rome- Ezio goes off and find allies to work with. That sequence struck me as bad plot writing. A bad plot doesn't make a bad character. And like I said before, if any of the other characters ever stood up and TRIED to do anything do you really think he wouldn't accept the help and work WITH them to find solutions? Ezio is the protagonist, so.... how is him doing what a protagonist is supposed to do making him a bad character by any means whatsoever?
Who ever said he was perfect? I certainly didn't. What the hell does perfect have to do with anything I've said here at all. Actually- you used the word perfect. You literally just said 'he's not perfect' asked ME to acknowledge that, and then said you hate him because he IS perfect. 'in-a-bad-way.' Sounds like a contradiction to me.
Just stating that is does, doesn't magically make it true. Being a mary-sue has nothing to do with gender. By your standards all comic-book superheroes are mary-sues just because they follow a stereotype. And Batman is just as Mary-sue as Superman, or Spiderman, or Hawkeye. By that same standard, Altair is equally mary-sue as Ezio. He's just as stereotyped bad-boy learns the error of his ways and becomes the sparkling hero. Gee, where have I never heard that story before? Being a mary-sue is just a concept. You're arguing pointless detail that have nothing to do with the bigger picture I was adressing, which is that being a Mary-sue makes you a bland character. If the parts of Ezio that are typical make him a Mary-Sue, then give me a list of whatever characters you wish, and I'll show you just how easily any character can be called a mary-sue. You're literally characterizing him as a mary-sue because he does too much good. We don't see him fall. Ezio is not in control of the plot. The authors are. All Ezio could be held accountable for is WHO he is. What he does or doesn't do is all up to the author of the work. If Ubisoft gave him a bad cast of supporting characters so that all tasks always fall to Ezio, that is not a character flaw, but one with the very work itself. That has nothing to do with Ezio being perfect. You're the one saying he's perfect. I'm the one saying you've misplaced the blame on this particular issue. If Ezio was a real human, your arguement would hold more water, as he's just a figment of some writers imagination, the fault falls on the authors shoulders not the fictional characters.
So you didn't even listen to what I said did you? You just decided to stop listening because I didn't mention the correct title to suit your fancy. Fickle ears, there, my friend. I wasn't talking about Tomb Raider itself- just the way it makes a transition from story to game. But fine, I'll just end this hear since clearly you're not listening to what is said anyways.
Oh I didn't take it personal, lol, I was just giving you some tidbits to inform you about the game and some things you could expect.
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Okay, I think you're getting a little carried away with trying to prove me WRONG. Trying to prove that my opinion is invalid - which is, in fact, merely an opinion of an insignificant person such as myself; it only has me wondering - why do you care? Anyway, I think I've done more than enough to explain my point of view, and so have you. Please understand I don't share your opinion, nor do I have to. Tis' only an opinion, after all.
As for the roleplay reference, I was hoping to provide a fitting example of how Mary Sues tend to act, and that you would notice how that resembles the way Ezio's story was written. His medium being the game isn't a good enough excuse. Medium doesn't determine the character. I admired Altair's story - and what triggered it was, in fact, a major fuckup. His story was believable (at least what was shown in the first game), Ezio's was a little of a stretch. As for the plot not being at fault - sorry, miss, but actions shape the character. The way I see it, you're desperately trying to wash all the dirt off Ezio with the excuse of bad writing. The way I feel you see me, I'm somebody who won't accept your words as absolute truth and therefore, I must be deaf and blind to your truth. I said it numerous times, though I suppose it fell on deaf ears - I love Ezio, Mary Sue or not. Which I had said he is only PARTIALLY imho. Superman is a worse MS than him, and the genre being The Genre doesn't make him any less so. If you excuse superheroes for being too super, shouldn't you excuse romance fantasies for being bland?
It comes to the point when we argue figures of speech... aaaand make faulty assumptions about each other which, personally, annoys me a little and prevents me from finding this discussion as enjoyable as it started out. I consider it a cue to end this little chit-chat. And yes, I was listening. Re-reading your replies numerously, typing the replies as I read to address all the points accurately.
I tried to delete this reply and end this with grace but alas, I cannot. In the end, I'm a faulty human being. Still, I think this conversation should be drawing to an end. There's nothing much left to say - still, I'll gladly listen to whatever more you have to say.
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It wasn't the opinion I took issue with, but the path of logic behind it. That's where my debate laid. Was lain. However the freak you say that. I'm not sure. It's really late. I had a long day lmfao. Fuck college. Fuck college campuses.
This is all I really care to point out is that- I'm the type of person who's heavily opinionated, I have a reputation for being aggressive. It's not my intention, but I'm a passionate person. It's not just fictional characters either- I do the same thing with politics and all sorts of shit.
All I wanted to add is, I won't deny for any moment in time that I probably did get a little aggressive with you. But you can't truly pretend you didn't speak a little down-your-nose at me as well. The way I feel and see it, you refuse to listen to any side but your own just because you have an opinion (and therefore think yours is better. We all do, it's human nature. Just don't presume to tell others they're doing it, as if you were not.) without even trying to see the ideas from the other side. I can see your ideas, but I felt they were coming from an emotional bias, and not a logical one and tried to give examples to back up what I was saying and wasn't going to let them drift on the wind. You're not the only one who feels the other is stubborn.
If you tried to delete it.... you'd have deleted it. 'Do, or do not, there is no try.'
But my original point still stands that even if you're TOTALLY WRONGITY WRONG MCWRONGSTER WRONG WRONG about Ezio being in any way a Mary-sue, your comic is amazing, and hilarious and I wish you'd do more Haytham and Connor because even if AC3 isn't your favorite those two characters together are effing hilarious. Period. And for not having played AC$ you're more right about Edward than you know.
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Believe me, I understand where you're going from with Ezio. However, what I felt the basis for your opinion is "bad writing does not affect the character (in their being so-or-so way)", which assumption I do nor share and made it clear a comment or two ago. As much as you like to point out that I'm ignorant and deaf, I am not. I see your side of things, and I do not agree. It's like... an atheist and a believer agruing a theological point. No matter how understanding they both stuggle to be, one will always disagree with the other when the matter of - let's call it, for our purpose, faith - is involved. We just don't share the same base, so how could we come to similar conclusion?
I don't pretend I'm not wrong. I'm a faulty person, what more can I say. I generalize and exaggerate my arguments, much as I do with my drawings. Can't blame people for assuming I don't see more when I speak like this. And yes, the fault for speaking, as you put it, a little down-my-nose lies on my side as well. And emotional - that I am. Always been. Makes for a good pep-talk.
You accuse me of refusing to see your side of things, but can you honestly say you extended the same courtesy towards myself? Have you really tried to see how could I arrive to such conclusion with Ezio? If you have, I couldn't see that either. So please, if you accuse me of any wrongdoing, extend the same criteria towards yourself. And I should do the same as well as long as I am aware of not doing so (I'm a faulty person, I might not always notice).
Emotional bias, you say? Let me ponder on that. Yes, I can see it now - I am emotionally biased towards Mary Sues of any kind, be it their fault or not. More so if I happen to like, even love the character. I hate them because I love them. And because I love Ezio, the more I hate the parts in him that, in my mind, flaw my picture of him. Were he anyone other I wouldn't care so much. But I like him and can't stand that he could have been so much better was he allowed to be a little less "badass", a little less "successful". And don't you go with the "it's a game" argument once more - I heard it, I considered it, and I replied it's not enough of an excuse. It's a popular game trying to get even more popular, more badass, and by extension - earn more money. That's the problem, the problem is not being A game, the problem is it being a money-consuming game with a greedy studio - and for the moment let's say I don't blame them because it's how the business works (I blame them alright, it's just not a part of this discussion).
Still, would you excuse a mass murderer for being a mass murderer if you knew he had a terrible childhood? Would you forgive a person who killed all the people you cared about if you knew they were offered a tremendous amount of money for it and they really needed them to settle their own debts? Does it make a meal any less tasteless knowing the cook is going through a hard time?
For me, the answer is no. I might feel sorry for them, but it won't excuse anything they did/ were made to do. Same goes for everyone and everything, Ezio included, Connor AND Altair included. All I can excuse is bad mechanics - which is the case with AC I. Old game, first try - I get it. But then again, I hate the later part of Altair's life - when he suddenly turns oh-so-wise a leader and shit. Inventing hidden pistol I hate the most. Like, FUCK that part with a hammer, it was unnecessary. So, Ezio is not an exception. And even then - I loved AC II, it was well-balanced in the matters of awesome and sacrifice/faults. I cannot hold it against him. But then came the Brotherhood... and Revelations. And that's when he started getting a little too-awesome-for-his-shirt. Figuratively. Literally I don't mind.
My point stands as well - I'm right, and I'll always, ALWAYS be right. You know why? Because it's my opinion, and I have a right to that. And you might not like it, you might disagree, but if I say carrots are green they are green for me and it does not affect you in any way. So my thinking Ezio shares some traits of a Mary Sue doesn't affect him in your eyes, nor it should. Nor should you care what I think.
As for the last... well, recently I had a change of mind AKA finally read Forsaken AKA drowning in the pool of my own tears for the Kenways, Haytham most off all, but also Edward coz B'AWWWw what a sucky death no no no nooo noooo no NO. They could have been such a happy family NO. NO.
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I read your response- and I'm shortening mine- all I will really say it uhm, yes- and I DID take responsibility for my side. I guess you skimmed over that portion. But whatever.
The thinking you were wrong about Ezio was a joke amigo, take it as such.
As for Edward- he died ONE DAY before Haytham's b-day. HAPPY BIRTHDAY YOUR FAMILY WILL BE TORN APART FOREVER. MAKE A WISH, BUT NOT TO HAVE YOUR DAD BACK CUZ HE GOWN.
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Ezio's hand to Haytham cracks me so damn much.
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No, Reginald Birch happened. Edward got a bitch-slap in the face by his buddy James (an Assassin) so he eventually turned out good.
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If I wanted spoilers, I'd have asked. 'Fore I get the game there's really small chance I'll get what it's all about, nor do I want to. I like to play my games fresh to better take it all in. Thank you for your willingness to clear that up though, I'll make up my mind once I get to play the game.
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Actually I just scratched the surface, what I told you is, like, a tiny bit of the plot and not a key element, that's why I felt it was not so serious to talk about.
And as for Reginald Birch, he appeared in AC3 and Forsaken, so he can't be considered a spoiler. He's the Palpatine of AC in my opinion.
What I meant is that, no, Edward can't be blamed.
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What I meant is no, thank you for ANY spoilers. I'm glad it sparked your interest but I'm unable to carry out this conversation. You can try to prove me wrong but I am unable to comprehend it at the moment, so to speak. And yes, he CAN be considered a spoiler, since you just go assuming I'm familiar with these. And remember shit like that on top of it.
And yes, Edward CAN be blamed if I just say so. It's just an opinion ffs! I can have an opinion the sun is red and you won't be able to do much about it. Even if I, in fact, seriously blamed him, there's more than enough proof that I'm too ignorant (not familiar with the source material) for my opinion to be considered reasonable.
But me being myself, I just like to point out stupid shit in games and make fun of it unproportionally to the size of actual thing I find amusing. The fact that I make fun of Edward doesn't reallly mean I think this way. It means I find the idea of the other Assassins thinking like this funny and picture-able. I exagerrate things to make it funnier and have an excuse to have these characters pull off such riddiculous faces. I draw the idea when I think it's funny and/or worth picturing, and my agreeing with it or not has little to do with it.
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And I wasn't serious either. I know what a comic is. I never wanted to scold or anything for a start. If I really wanted to scold something or someone I'd stay quiet, delete from my inbox and forget it. Sorry if anything I said bugged you, usually when I point out stuff like this it's to... let's say wink.
That being said, I like your comics. It was all a huge misunderstanding on both sides. And as for mine, I'm sorry.
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Hey, I believe we all know what a comic is ; P Just not all can separate a person behind the creation from the views presented by the aforementioned creation, so I wanted to be clear on that.
Hard to notice a wink when I don't see your face, nor do I hear the tone of your voice. You must excuse me for falling prey to these typical for typed conversations inconveniences. XP
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Yeah, especially if - I think it's the case of both of us - English is not our native language.
"Who's to blame" indeed, ha!
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Ahahaha, oh my gosh. That face in the last panel just killed me! xD And all the rest of them with their scornful glares. Haha, oh my goodness... VuV
I also really like that they don't even let Haytham make a statement, huehuehuehue. And how upset he looks, huehue. Perfect.
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