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Hitler was vegetarian, so all vegetearians are mass murderer!?!
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"Kill them all, God will know His own" ... After Pope Innocent III
In Memory of Christopher Hitchens
Religious apologists, particularly those of the Christian variety, are big fans of what I have dubbed, the atheist atrocities fallacy. Christians commonly employ this fallacy to shield their egos from the harsh reality of the brutality of their own religion, by utilizing a most absurd form of the tu quoque (“you too”) fallacy, mingled with numerous other logical fallacies and historical inaccuracies. Despite the fact that the atheist atrocities fallacy has already been thoroughly exposed by Hitchens and other great thinkers, it continues to circulate amongst the desperate believers of a religion in its death throes. Should an atheist present a believer with the crimes committed by the Holy See of the Inquisition(s), the Crusaders and other faith-wielding misanthropes, they will often hear the reply; “Well, what about Stalin, Pol Pot and Hitler? They were atheists, and they killed millions!”
Given the obstinate nature of religious faith and the wilful ignorance it cultivates in the mind of the believer, I am quite certain that this article will not be the final nail in this rancid and rotting coffin. Having said this, I do hope it will contribute to the arsenal required by those who value reason, facts and evidence, in their struggle against the fallacies perpetually flaunted by those who do not value the truth above their own egocentric delusions, delusions inspired by an unquenchable thirst for security, no matter how frighteningly false its foundation.
Before addressing the primary weaknesses of the atheist atrocities fallacy itself, I would like to attend to each of these three homicidal stooges; Stalin, Pol Pot and Hitler, who are constantly trotted out to defend a religious worldview. I will lend Hitler the most time, as the claim that he was an atheist represents a most egregious violation of the truth.
HITLER
“Besides that, I believe one thing: there is a Lord God! And this Lord God creates the peoples.” [1] ~Adolf Hitler
“We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations; we have stamped it out” [2] ~Adolf Hitler
Hitler was a Christian. This undeniable fact couldn’t be made any clearer than by his own confessions. Yet, I will not merely present you with these testimonies, as damning as they happen to be on their own, but I also intend on furnishing you with a brief history of the inherent anti-Semitism of the Christian religion. I will do so to demonstrate beyond any reasonable doubt that Hitler and his Christian Nazi Party were acting in complete concordance with traditional Christian anti-Semitism.
To begin, here are just a few of Hitler’s Christian confessions:
“My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice…For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.” [3]
“The greatness of Christianity did not arise from attempts to make compromises with those philosophical opinions of the ancient world which had some resemblance to its own doctrine, but in the unrelenting and fanatical proclamation and defense of its own teaching.” [4]
“His [the Jew’s] life is of this world only and his mentality is as foreign to the true spirit of Christianity as is character was foreign to the great Founder of this new creed two thousand years ago. And the Founder of Christianity made no secret indeed of His estimation of the Jewish people. When He found it necessary He drove those enemies of the human race out of the Temple of God; because then, as always, they used religion as a means of advancing their commercial interests. But at that time Christ was nailed to the Cross for his attitude towards the Jews…” [5]
Over and above these solid testimonies, there are other equally strong pieces of evidence that indicate that Hitler was a Christian, like the fact that his soldiers all wore the slogan, ‘Gott Mit Uns’ (God with us) on their belts, that his birthday was “celebrated from the pulpits until his death,” as Hitchens so eloquently put it, and that the Nazis published their own slightly revised Christian bible. [6] As the late great Hitchens has already addressed many of these uncomfortable facts, I would now like to move onto an assessment of the Nazi’s horrendous treatment of the Jews in light of Christian history.
Christian anti-Semitism (From the Beginning of the Christian Era)
“His blood be upon us [Jews] and our children” ~“Matthew” 27:25
Prior to Constantine’s legitimization of the Christian religion in the fourth century, Christian anti-Semitism was confined to the canonical and non-canonical works of Christian authors and Church fathers. From the fifth century onward, the fantasies of the ante-Nicene fathers began to manifest into brutal violence.
In the first volume of my three volume book series, (I Am Christ), I trace the concentration camps of World War II all the way back to the Gospel of “John.” In that book, I said:
From all of the evidence available in the volumes of historical works, both Christian and non-Christian, it is clear that there is an unbroken chain of hatred, intolerance, and racism toward the Jews, which began with “John’s” Gospel (see also the Synoptic gospels) and continued all the way down into the twentieth century, ending with Hitler’s bloody campaign against the Church’s most despised enemies. [7]
More than a few bible scholars have made mention of the virulent anti-Semitism of John’s gospel. This anonymous and falsely named piece of work goes beyond its synoptic counterparts (Matthew, Mark and Luke) to directly accuse the Jewish people of being the “sons of Satan” (John 8:44), thereby demonizing the Jewish people and opening the door to a millennia of Jewish suffering at the hands of credulous Christian maniacs.
In Porter’s Dictionary of Biblical Criticism and Interpretation, Porter notes:
…particularly within the post-Holocaust growing sensitivity to the history and consequences of Christian anti-Judaism, has been the concern about the anti-Judaism or even (potential) anti-Semitism of the [John’s] Gospel; its characteristic antithetical use of ‘the Jews’ (NB 8:34–47), hardly neutralized by appeals to 3:16 and 4:22, has earned it the epithet ‘the father of the anti-Semitism of the Christians’: (Bieringer 2001). [8]
Some scholars have sought to make sense of the anti-Semitic rhetoric in John by way of a historical exegesis of the text. At around the time John was written, toward the end of the first century, Christians were being expelled from the Synagogues for the heresy of worshipping a false messiah. [9] It was at this moment in history, many speculate, Christianity broke completely away from its parent religion, Judaism.
In Robert Kysar’s Voyages with John, he enunciates the anti-Semitism within the Johannine community and also looks at some of the theories that have sought to explain the context of the origins of anti-Jewish racism amongst Christians in general, saying:
Over twelve years ago Samuel Sandmel correctly observed, “John is widely regarded as either the most anti-Semitic or at least the most overtly anti-Semitic of the gospels.” Little has been done to ameliorate that harsh judgment since it was first written. While efforts have been made to soften the impact of the tone of John when it comes to Jews and Judaism, the fact remains that a reading of the gospel tends to confirm Sandmel’s judgment. Still, recent theories for understanding the historical setting of the writing of the Fourth Gospel do offer some ways of interpreting the harshness with which the gospel treats Jews and Judaism. Such theories do not change the tone of the gospel but offer a way of explaining that tone. [10]
The historical setting Kysar was referring to pertained to the expulsion of the Johannine Christians from the Synagogues, as he explains in the following words:
An increasingly clear picture emerges from all these studies grounded in the hypothesis that the gospel was written in response to the exclusion of the Johannine church from the synagogue and the subsequent dialogue between these two religious parties. The subject of the picture is a defensive and threatened Christian community, attempting to reshape its identity isolated from the synagogue and its Jewish roots. [11]
But Christian anti-Semitism cannot be laid solely on the shoulders of the anonymous author of John, as the passion narratives contained in all four gospels were also co-conspirators in the crimes committed against Jewish families. To illustrate this fact we have the testimonies of various Church fathers.
“He (Jesus Christ) made known the one and only true God, His Father, and underwent the passion, and endured the cross at the hands of the Christ-killing Jews…” [12] ~Ignatius of Antioch (2nd Century Apostolic Father)
Further, the second century Church father and apologist Justin Martyr, in his Dialogue with the Jewish philosopher Trypho, said:
“For other nations have not inflicted on us and on Christ this wrong to such an extent as you have, who in very deed are the authors of the wicked prejudice against the Just One, and us who hold by Him. For after that you had crucified Him, the only blameless and righteous Man,– through whose stripes those who approach the Father by Him are healed, –when you knew that He had risen from the dead and ascended to heaven, as the prophets foretold He would, you not only did not repent of the wickedness which you had committed…” [13]
Going into the fifth Christian century, the racism of the Church continued with Pope Leo “the Great,” who, in an Easter Sermon on the Passion of Christ, exhorted:
“And when morning was come all the chief priests and elders of the people took counsel against Jesus to put him to death.” This morning, O ye Jews, was for you not the rising, but the setting of the sun, nor did the wonted daylight visit your eyes, but a night of blackest darkness brooded on your naughty hearts. This morning overthrew for you the temple and its altars, did away with the Law and the Prophets, destroyed the Kingdom and the priesthood, turned all your feasts into eternal mourning. For ye resolved on a mad and bloody counsel, ye “fat bulls,” ye “many oxen,” ye “roaring” wild beasts, ye rabid “dogs,” to give up to death the Author of life and the LORD of glory; and, as if the enormity of your fury could be palliated by employing the verdict of him, who ruled your province, you lead Jesus bound to Pilate’s judgment, that the terror-stricken judge being overcome by your persistent shouts, you might choose a man that was a murderer for pardon, and demand the crucifixion of the Saviour of the world.” [14]
Also in the fifth century, John Chrysostom, a most vile and capricious Church father, in his work, Orations Against The Jews, wrote:
And the Jews are more savage than any highwaymen; they do greater harm to those who have fallen among them. They did not strip off their victim’s clothes nor inflict wounds on his body as did those robbers on the road to Jericho. The Jews have mortally hurt their victim’s soul, inflicted on it ten thousand wounds, and left it lying in the pit of ungodliness.[15]
Although I have only provided a few of the litany of examples available, anti-Semitic rhetoric permeated the very fabric of Christian history and was eventually the inspiration for the founder of the Protestant Church, Martin Luther, who told Protestant Christians that they would be at fault if they didn’t slaughter Jews. [16]
Further still, citing Luther’s own words from his polemic, On the Jews and their Lies, and the work of one of Luther’s biographers, Robert Michael, who documented various speeches spewed into the ears of Luther’s listeners, we suffer the following racist profanities:
“…the Jews are a base, whoring people, that is, no people of God, and their boast of lineage, circumcision, and law must be accounted as filth.” [17] They are full of the “devil’s faeces …which they wallow in like swine.” [18] The synagogue was a “defiled bride, yes, an incorrigible whore and an evil slut …” [19] He argues that their synagogues and schools be set on fi re, their prayer books destroyed, rabbis forbidden to preach, homes razed, and property and money confiscated. They should be shown no mercy or kindness, [20] afforded no legal protection, [21] and these “poisonous envenomed worms” should be drafted into forced labor or expelled for all time. [22]
In Louis A. Ruprecht Jr’s This Tragic Gospel – How John Corrupted the Heart of Christianity, he remarks on the similarity between Luther’s hatred of the Jews and the racist rhetoric of John’s gospel, saying:
First, then, to his declaration of war on Jews, Luther ’s evolving anti-Semitism is legendary and assuredly represents one of the darkest chapters in this polemicist ’ s long career. Luther argues against the Jews precisely as John’s Jesus did. [23]
Having successfully connected the anti-Semitism of John to the founder of the Protestant Church, all we need do now is establish a connection between Luther’s racism and Hitler’s.
To confirm this association, I call upon the testimony of the former Dean of St. Paul’s Cathedral, William Inge. The late Dean said of the atrocities committed by Hitler and his Nazi Party:
“If we wish to find a scapegoat on whose shoulders we may lay the miseries which Germany has brought on the world, I am more and more convinced that the worst evil genius of that country, is not Hitler or Bismarck or Frederick the Great, but Martin Luther.” [24]
But this is just one learned man’s opinion, right? Wrong. Numerous scholars and commentators have remarked on the Lutheran origin of Hitler’s anti-Semitism, no less Hitler himself:
The great protagonists are those who fight for their ideas and ideals despite the fact that they receive no recognition at the hands of their contemporaries. They are the men whose memories will be enshrined in the hearts of the future generations….To this group belong not only the genuinely great statesmen but all the great reformers as well. Beside Frederick the Great we have such men as Martin Luther and Richard Wagner. [25]
Despite the overwhelming evidence that Hitler and his Nazi Party were heavily influenced by Martin Luther’s anti-Semitic teachings, and the present consensus amongst historical scholars, which rests upon this mountain of evidence,[26] a handful of Christian scholars have sought in vain to draw petty distinctions between Hitler’s anti-Semitism and Martin Luther’s.
Martin Brecht, for example, argued that there was a vast difference between Hitler’s anti-Semitism and Martin Luther’s. For Luther, Brecht argued, the rejection of Christ was the significant source of contempt, whereas for Hitler it was purely racial. [27] Yet such hollow distinctions are washed away not only by the wealth of evidence indicating the Nazi’s admiration for Luther, but the direct influence that Christian anti-Semitism had on Hitler and his Christian Nazi Party.
Notwithstanding his honesty, the good Dean of St. Paul’s Cathedral was too short-sighted to see, lest admit, that the roots of violent anti-Semitism didn’t begin with Martin Luther, but in the very building blocks of his beloved religion. Was he ignorant of the vile and racist words of Justin Martyr, John Chrysostom and the majority of bigoted Christian fathers, who all railed against the Jews with the ferocious fervour of Hitler himself? Did he not read of the atrocities committed by St. Cyril of Alexandria in the fifth century that saw Jewish families put to the sword? Surely he had read of the Crusaders’ barbarism toward the Jews along the road to their bloodthirsty war with the equally bloodthirsty Muslims of the eleventh and twelfth centuries, and all of the countless anti-Semitic edicts enunciated by Church councils throughout the centuries, edicts all based upon the very foundations of a rotten and racist religion.
Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Matthew 8:17-20
Presented in the illuminating light of its proper historical context, one can see that the rotten fruit of Nazi anti-Semitism was born from Hitler’s conviction in his Lord and saviour, Jesus Christ, and the poisonous tree of the Christian religion.
STALIN
Of these three characters, Stalin was the only confirmed atheist, yet Hitchens thoroughly dealt with the religious nature of Stalin’s dictatorship in a manner that has left religious apologists without sufficient reply. Notwithstanding the fact that Stalin was raised as a Christian under the religious influence of his mother, who enrolled him in seminary school, and that Stalin later took it upon himself to study for the priesthood, as Hitchens and others have pointed out, Stalin merely stepped into a ready-made religious tyranny, constructed by the Russian Orthodox Church and paved with the teachings of St. Paul.
Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. Romans 13:1-2
Such teachings were the inspirational well from which the Russian Orthodox Church drew their justifications to support this new Tsar, causing the more sensible fringe of the Church to flee to the United States in contravention of St. Paul’s teachings.
Here then, the central premise of Hitchens’ argument is worthy of reiteration. Had Stalin inherited a purely rational secular edifice, one established upon the ethos espoused by the likes of Lucretius, Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine, Einstein and other free thinking and rational secularists, then the apologist’s argument would hold slightly more weight, but such wasn’t the case. Stalin merely tore the existing religious labels off the Christian Inquisition, the enforcement of Christian orthodoxy, the Crusades, the praising of the priesthood, messianism, and Edenic ideas of a terrestrial religious-styled utopia, and re-branded them with the red of communism. Had this Christian machine not been in place, then it is more than likely Stalin wouldn’t have had the vehicle he needed to succeed in causing so much suffering in the name of his godless religion, Communism.
To quote Hitchens:
For Joseph Stalin, who had trained to be a priest in a seminary in Georgia, the whole thing was ultimately a question of power. “How many divisions,” he famously and stupidly inquired, “has the pope?” (The true answer to his boorish sarcasm was, “More than you think.”) Stalin then pedantically repeated the papal routine of making science conform to dogma, by insisting that the shaman and charlatan Trofim Lysenko had disclosed the key to genetics and promised extra harvests of specially inspired vegetables. (Millions of innocents died of gnawing internal pain as a consequence of this “revelation.”) This Caesar unto whom all things were dutifully rendered took care, as his regime became a more nationalist and statist one, to maintain at least a puppet church that could attach its traditional appeal to his. [28]
I shan’t rehash Hitchens’ arguments in full, but if you would like to learn more about the details of his logically sound and beautifully crafted reply to this fallacious charge, I suggest you read chapter seventeen of his book, ‘God is Not Great – How Religion Poisons Everything.’
Hitchens was not alone in seeing the parallels between Russia’s old supernatural religion and its new secular one.
In Emilio Gentile’s ‘Politics as Religion,’ Gentile describes the sacralising of Stalin’s regime in the following words:
The sacralization of the party opened the way to the sacralization of Stalin when he became the supreme leader. After 1929, the political religion of Russia mainly concentrated on the deification of Stalin, who until his death in 1953 dominated the party and Soviet system like a tyrannical and merciless deity. [29]
That vast and seemingly bottomless “reservoir of religious credulity,” as Hitchens so eloquently phrased it, which served to subdue the servile Soviets for hundreds of years beneath the yoke of an equally brutal supernatural religion, was the very fountain of boundless unthinking acquiescence that Stalin, having adorned himself in the Tsar’s clothes, utilized to send countless innocent Russians to their deaths. Where would Stalin have found such docile servitude, servitude that fed the flames of his secular religious tyranny, had Lucretius, Thomas Paine, Albert Einstein or Thomas Jefferson bestowed upon these poor religious Russians, their intellectual legacy? To answer in a word, nowhere.
POL POT
Pol Pot, possibly not even an atheist, but almost certainly a Buddhist, believed in the teachings of the Buddha, no matter how perverted his interpretations may or may not have been. His violence, much like the violence of many earlier religionists, wasn’t the result of a lack of belief in a god, whether Zeus, Osiris, Yahweh, or the god-like Buddha of Mahayana Buddhism, but in the megalomaniacal belief that heaven or destiny was guiding him to improve the state of affairs for all those who could be forced to share his misguided utopian delusions. Not only was Pol Pot a Theravada Buddhist, but the soil in which his atrocities were sewn was also very Buddhist.
In Alexander Laban Hinton’s book, ‘Why Did They Kill?: Cambodia in the Shadow of Genocide,’ Hinton drew attention to the role that the belief in karma played in Pol Pot’s Cambodia, particularly with regards to the cementation of a docilely accepted social hierarchy, not too dissimilar from Stalin’s ready-made Russian religious tyranny, as well as highlighting the Buddhist origins of Pol Pot’s ideological initiatives.
Hinton remarks:
This [Pol Pot’s regime’s] line of thinking about revolutionary consciousness directly parallels Buddhist thought, with the “Party line” and “collective stand” being substituted for dhamma…One could certainly push this argument further , contending that the Khmer Rouge attempted to assume the monk’s traditional role as moral instructor (teaching their new brand of “mindfulness”) and that DK regime’s glorification of asceticism, detachment, the elimination of attachment and desire, renunciation (of material goods and personal behaviors, sentiments, and attitudes), and purity paralleled prominent Buddhist themes… [30]
I have only presented a small snippet of the available evidence that points to religion’s role in Pol Pot’s crimes, and there is not one single piece of solid evidence that Pol Pot was an atheist, so let us once and for all dispense with that speculative piece of religious propaganda. Pol Pot spent close to a decade at Catholic school and nearly as long studying at a Buddhist institution, so religious education was something he had in common with both Hitler and Stalin, but I would never use such data-mined facts to assert that religious education invariably inspires tyrants to commit atrocities, although a case for such a proposition could probably be made without committing too many logical and historical inaccuracies. I won’t even bother sharing the un-sourced quote from Prince Norodom Sihanouk that Christians present as “proof” that Pol Pot was an atheist, as its origin is not only dubious, but its contents reflect a belief in heaven, which, if genuine, negates any claim that Pol Pot was an atheist.
THE ATHEIST ATROCITIES FALLACY
The atheist atrocities fallacy is a multifaceted and multidimensional monster, comprised of a cocktail of illogically contrived arguments. It is, at its core, a tu quoque fallacy, employed to deflect justified charges of religious violence, by erroneously charging atheism with similar, if not worse, conduct. But it is much more than this, for within its tangled and mangled edifice can be found the false analogy fallacy, the poisoning of the well fallacy, the false cause fallacy, and even an implied slippery slope fallacy.
Tu quoque (“You Too”) Fallacy
The Tuquoque fallacy is an informal fallacy used to dismiss criticism by means of deflection. [31] Instead of addressing an accusation or charge, the perpetrator of this fallacy will offer an example of their opponent’s alleged hypocrisy with regards to the allegation. This is precisely how Christian apologists employ the atheist atrocities fallacy.
To give you an example of this fallacy in action, we need only examine the reply of renowned Christian apologist, Dinesh D’Souza, to charges of religious violence:
And who can deny that Stalin and Mao, not to mention Pol Pot and a host of others, all committed atrocities in the name of a Communist ideology that was explicitly atheistic? [32]
“…it is interesting to find that people of faith now seek defensively to say that they are no worse than fascists or Nazis or Stalinists.” [33] ~Christopher Hitchens
This fallacy will be often employed with an added sprinkle of one-upmanship, with the apologist using the immense scale of secular atrocities to argue that atheism is worse than religion. However, if we were to honestly calculate those victims of ritual and religious sacrifice across the entire planet, the total number of witches burned and drowned across Europe and in America, the near genocides of the Pacific Islanders by the London Missionary Society, and similar missionary organizations, the dismembered bodies of the Saint Francis Xavier’s Inquisition in Goa, the disembowelled remains of the Anabaptists in Europe, the men, women and children murdered by Muslim conquerors from the Middle-East to Spain, the stoned and strangled blasphemers in Christian states of the past and Muslim ones of the modern age, and all of the unmarked graves of all of the victims of religion, from the dawn of that plague to now, I am quite certain that the numbers game would prove to be an unfruitful one for the desperate apologist.
This brings us to our next fallacy.
False Analogy Fallacy
This fallacy depends upon the existence of an often minor analogous factor, in this case, the belief in god versus a lack of belief in god, god being the analogous component, and extrapolating from this minor analogy, conditions that are alleged to affect both positions, when the truth of the matter happens to be, the two (religion and atheism) are not analogous at all. [34]
For apologists to overcome the existence of this fallacy, they must show that atheism is a religion, but the very definition of atheism circumvents any such attempt. Atheism, although encompassing varying degrees of disbelief, is not a system of beliefs, but an unsystematic absence of god-belief, that is all. It has no doctrines, traditions and most importantly, no beliefs. Unless there is some secret atheist bible from which Stalin drew inspiration for his crimes, there is absolutely no reason to suggest that his lack of belief in a supernatural deity had anything to do with his messianic and maniacal behaviour.
This takes us to the next fallacy in this medley of intellectually dishonest apologetics.
False Cause Fallacy
The fallacy of false cause occurs whenever the link between premise and conclusion
depends on some imagined causal connection that probably does not exist. [35]
Example 1:
Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot were all non-figure skaters. Therefore we can conclude that not being a figure skater causes a person to commit atrocities.
Example 2:
None of these three dictators believed in the existence of leprechauns, hence the lack of belief in leprechauns causes people to commit atrocities.
The imaginary atheist bible is a great hypothetical answer to this fallacy, yet such a collection of manuscripts does not exist, nor do any unwritten doctrines that a dictator who happens to lack belief in a god would be able to employ to commit such religious-styled atrocities. In the absence of any written or unwritten atheist doctrines, the apologist must show that a lack of belief in god was a causal factor in the atrocities committed, but to do so, they must conversely demonstrate that had these tyrants believed in a god, they wouldn’t have committed such crimes against humanity, which brings us right back to our Christian Inquisitions, Holy Crusades, missionary atrocities and all of the other dirt directly derived from religion that this fallacy attempts to quietly sweep under the rug.
Poisoning the Well Fallacy
When someone presents adverse information about, or associates unfavourable characters, characteristics or qualities with, a targeted person, or in this case, worldview (atheism), with the intention of undermining it, this is known as poisoning the well. “Stalin was an atheist, therefore atheism is dangerous.” By associating atheism with these three villains of history, the religious apologist is attempting to throw an unjustified negative light on atheism.
Aren’t atheists and anti-theists doing the same thing when they associate Christianity with the Spanish Inquisition? No. The Spanish Inquisition was directly caused and inspired by the very foundations of the Christian religion, i.e., the Bible and Church doctrines and traditions. The fallacy doesn’t exist when there is a legitimate association between the poison and its target.
To give you a hypothetical example of this legitimate association, just imagine that John smith has offered a friend of yours a too-good-to-be-true investment opportunity, and John has previously been convicted of fraud on multiple occasions. If you inform your friend about John’s prior convictions you are not poisoning the well, but stressing a legitimate association between the poison (fraud convictions) and the target (John Smith). Such association is certainly the case with the religious atrocities committed as a direct result of scripture, ecclesiastical edicts, tradition, and clerical authority.
[Implied] Slippery Slope Fallacy
The slippery slope fallacy is a species of the false cause fallacy that seeks to present a conclusion of an argument that is dependent upon an unlikely chain of events.
In Hurely’s Concise Introduction to Logic, he offers the following example:
Immediate steps should be taken to outlaw pornography once and for all. The continued manufacture and sale of pornographic material will almost certainly lead to an increase in sex-related crimes such as rape and incest. This in turn will gradually erode the moral fabric of society and result in an increase in crimes of all sorts. Eventually a complete disintegration of law and order will occur, leading in the end to the total collapse of civilization.
Because there is no good reason to think that the mere failure to outlaw pornography will result in all these dire consequences, this argument is fallacious. [36]
The more we become secularized and the more atheism is allowed to spread, the greater the chance of such horrendous atrocities occurring will be. This is the not so subtle inference of the atheist atrocities fallacy. I won’t bore you with statistics that show societies with higher rates of atheism are generally more peaceful; have higher standards of education, health and personal freedom, [37] as I have already pulled the first proposition in this “slippery slope” from beneath the starry-eyed apologist’s feet.
A FINAL WORD
So, what is the atheist atrocities fallacy, really? It is little more than erroneous historical data wrapped in illogical argumentation and cloaked with the rhetorical garb of apologetic propaganda. Yet and still, above all of this inanity, the atheist atrocities fallacy is the result of a psychological defence mechanism, the aim of which is the distortion of reality for the protection of the hypersensitive religious ego.
To finish, let me now surrender and admit defeat. You look puzzled. Please lend me just one more moment to explain my surrender.
Suppose the Christian apologist is correct, and atheist tyrants are worse than religious ones. What does this, from the point of view of the believer, show? What are the implications? On the one hand, you can interpret it to show that the more people believe in the Christian god, the more virtuous they will behave, despite the fact that the truth of history will laugh at such vacuous attempts to ignore its tomes of evidence to the contrary. On the other, what does it say about an all-powerful, all-knowing and all-loving god, one who allows tyrants, whether secular or religious, to murder helpless and innocent children by the millions, who turns a blind eye to the wrongful imprisonment of innocent men and women, and who starves to bare bones, the poor and meek?
Perhaps now you see that my surrender was but a Trojan horse, in which I smuggled Epicurus’ old, yet unanswered, problem of evil. I guess I could have just said that there is no way for a religious apologist to win this one. For if the atheist admits defeat, they still leave the faithful with the dissonance of evil, and as many theologians and philosophers have correctly concluded, freewill is no answer to such evil. But that is a story for another time.
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lisa-im-laerm In reply to XxTheSmittenKittenxX [2020-01-02 16:48:48 +0000 UTC]
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Guardian-7 [2019-12-28 00:19:12 +0000 UTC]
Add them All together....They wouldn't even come Closed to the Final Beast.
Be Safe and Be Prepared to All. The STORM is Coming, and only a Few of us Shall be Spared from such...
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lisa-im-laerm In reply to Guardian-7 [2020-01-02 16:53:58 +0000 UTC]
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LonelySitlentAngel [2019-11-17 14:07:36 +0000 UTC]
Unbiasedly and honestly, I accept, there are the Buddhist extremists, there have been acts of violence directed, promoted, or inspired by Buddhists even Buddhism is generally seen as among the religious traditions least associated with violence.
I will not being an apologist to him nor protect him, I didn't come here to argues or debates this, because he's really doing such those atrocities himself. I can accept this. Pol Pot was born in the village of Prek Sbauv, outside the city of Kampong Thom. His family was of mixed Chinese and ethnic Khmer heritage, although they did not speak Chinese and lived as though they were fully Khmer. Pol Pot's mother Sok Nem was locally respected as a very pious Buddhist. He was really raised as Theravada Buddhist, and on festivals travelled to the Kampong Thom monastery. When Pol Pot was six years old, he and an older brother were sent to live with Meak in the capital city of Phnom Penh as informal adoptions by wealthier relatives were then common in Cambodia. In Phnom Penh, he spent eighteen months as a novice monk in the city's Vat Botum Vaddei monastery, there learning both Buddhist teachings and how to read and write in the Khmer language.
He's the shame. It's shame and guilt of us all. All the atrocious brutal inhumane actions of just the only one Buddhist can make all the entire Buddhists (including even really the practical and harmless ones) wrong, bad, blemish and tainted in the eyes of all other people around the world easily.
I'm agree with this. As a Buddhist (and also nontheist, and Thai guy who the country near to his country) and to represents all the Buddhists, I must sorry, I'm sorry, very very much sorry deeply for all every atrocities and all what he and other Buddhist extremists done to others' lives. Sorry to all the victims and their families that he have eliminated. Sorry for everything Pol Pot have done, from deeply of my heart. I'm feel so guilty, shamed and blaming myself. And I'm little hope that you or they will forgives us all from all what he done.. I'm must sorry for all what his uncaring irresponsible atrocious things that he have done to everyone so much.
I will not pity him. He have done a huge mistakes in his life. The Five Precepts aka Pañcaśīla (not the same of commandments) have clearly taught that commitments to abstain from killing all other living beings, but he still kills so many people life and all of those who opposed him. Even nearly 25,000 Buddhist monks were massacred by his regime. Even being a Buddhist himself, but he still causing such bad things and atrocious evil Karma deeds to other people for most time of his life, and force everyone to believe in the same thing he believe in such as attempting to enforce the asceticism, detachment, the elimination of attachment and desire, renunciation, he can go to the where all other bad people of other different beliefs or religions can go to because of all bad deeds through either their body, speech and mind while they're still living as humans. Being the Buddhist but it didn't mean we have the more right and privilege greater and better than all other humans with many different beliefs in the life after death. Even being a Buddhist but don't practices all what Buddha have taught for the spiritual liberation, and yet still doing all or most of the bad Karma deeds/actions, violates all the precepts for of being the humanity, killing other humans and living beings, stealing or taking others' possessions, sexual misconduct (womanizing, have many wives or husbands), lying or false speech (or manipulating or deceiving), and many other, he's deserved and can go to the same where he must get all the results and consequences of all what bad negative things he have done in his life even under the worldly or religiously excuses, and getting the deserved fate he's deserved of just like all other people of other religions. Living a life in violation of the precepts (especially killing) is lead him to rebirth in a hell. Because us all humans and all life (all beings) are under the same universal natural law (Law of Karma) and all its endless cycles. No matter of religions, everyone are under this same natural law, what we have done it's always go around and come around to us, being reflects to us all the time, all Karma actions or deeds always have the consequences, according to the cause and effect. Just like the air, regardless of being Buddhist, Jew, Christian, Muslim, Atheist or any kinds with different beliefs, we all breathing the same air in this world as well. This Law is just similar like or as well as the air as I compares.
All humans are the friends and ever being the relatives in the countless previous lives for countless times in this universe(s). Why we must hates and kills each other for our own inner ego, endless desire, anger, ignorance, delusion, view, bitterness, jealousy, and disharmony that disunited us all? Everyone have their own right and freedom to believe in what they want to believe, and no one can force them to believe in other different beliefs and views rather than of their own. If there have really those rulers and authorities who in power have enforce the law of their own beliefs of religions that force all others to convert and believe like they do as well, they are truly wrong. Buddha ever said about this and don't allows his followers to kill or hurt all others' life even others will hurt or kill them. Using the Ahimsa as a primary virtue in Buddhism. "Bhikkhus, even if bandits were to sever you savagely limb by limb with a two-handled saw, he who gave rise to a mind of hate towards them would not be carrying out my teaching." — Kakacūpama Sutta, Majjhima-Nikāya 28 at MN i 128-2. "And what is right action? Abstaining from taking life, from stealing, and from illicit sex [or sexual misconduct]. This is called right action." — Saccavibhanga Sutta. But some of us still does that things many times and most never truly practice the Dharma. So ironic.. [P.s. At least, Buddhism is an atheist nontheistic spiritual religion and philosophy because in the creation narrative of Buddhism, the Samsaric cycles that is responsible for all the cosmos was not created by God(s), nor is it ran by Gods. Everything is subservient to this without-Gods (a-theos - atheist - nontheist) system. We are similar like half religious and half non-religious. Nearly all classical Buddhist scholars assert that Buddhism is nontheistic and atheistic. Nonetheless, Buddhist texts often talk of Devas or Gods although they are not the same kind of eternal being that Westerners would expect and believe in - the cause of this is that there are no easy words to describe the nature of some of the very powerful beings that inhabit Buddhist stories without using the word "Gods". Despite the appearance of such beings, however, it is certainly untrue to say that Buddhism is formally theistic, therefore, it is best described as nontheistic and atheistic. By his definition, Malcolm Hamilton says supernaturalism defines religion, but he still cannot come to call Theraveda Buddhism "religious" because it doesn't contain and worship any supernatural gods; hence it is "atheistic" "nontheistic" and "non-religious". Lord Buddha and the enlightened Arhat of Buddhism and enlightened Arhat of Jainism are respected and worshipped as role-models and teachers who know the truths but not as gods. As far as Buddha's teachings and scriptures are concerned, Buddhism forbids violence for resolving conflicts.]
But I have one question - In the Wikipedia it says that in the summer of 1935, Sâr/Pol Pot went to live with his brother Suong and the latter's wife and child. That year he began an education at a Roman Catholic primary school, the École Miche, with Meak paying the tuition fees. Most of his classmates were the children of French bureaucrats and Catholic Vietnamese. He became literate in French and familiar with Christianity before he was held back two years, only receiving his Certificat d'Etudes Primaires Complémentaires in 1941 at the age of sixteen. When I'm considering about from the information of the first two guys (Hitler & Stalin), I want to ask: Is it possible that the Christianity already have corrupted and influenced him, his view and his mind in that time? I mean is it possible that Christian dogma have twisting his Ditthi view for so long time, and it makes (drives) him insane or lose his mind, and when he have power, he have using the twisted Dharma version of himself along with the Christian view and enforce them up on everyone else? Is it possible that he have favour and interest in the Christianity that have influencing him to be much more twisted as he was, and corrupt his view then resulting in killing the Buddhist monks as well? Is it possible that Christianity has conditioned and corrupt his view and mind until make him using his own twisted Dharma with the tendency of Christianity combined to rule the people? Just like how Ngo Dinh Diem the Catholic Christian President have done to the Buddhist monks who use civil resistance aka nonviolent resistance in Vietnam at the Buddhist crisis. (Along with Buddhism in many countries that are becoming the Christian countries and Islamic states today through many persecutions, discrediting and more about these matter such as the Decline of Buddhism in the India, Muslim conquests in the Indian subcontinent, Destruction of Nalanda University, Persecutions by Islamic regimes, Persecution by militaristic regimes, Persecution by Monotheism Christianity and Islam, Muslim conquests of Afghanistan, Islamization of in Sudan, Pakistan, Iran, Malaysia, India, Indonesia, or Algeria, Persecution of Buddhists, Great Anti-Buddhist Persecution, Four Buddhist Persecutions in China, Islamization of Xinjiang, South Thailand insurgency, Chittagong Hill Tracts conflict, 2012 Ramu violence, Buddhas of Bamiyan, Bezeklik Thousand Buddha Caves, Bodh Gaya bombings, Cambodian genocide, 1985 Borobudur bombing, 9/11, Decline of Buddhism in India (Destruction of Nalanda University, the biggest Buddhist University), and many more other persecutions they causes on all other different beliefs. It's what about many Buddhists have experienced persecution because of our own teachings, wisdom and faith, must face many punishments including unwarranted arrest, imprisonment, beating, torture, or execution. It also may refer to the confiscation or destruction of property, or the incitement of jealousy and hatred towards Buddhists. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pol_Pot#… , en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhist… , en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecut… ) www.vexen.co.uk/religion/buddh…
Sorry for very very long comment, lisa. I'm hope you you will understand me. And again, I'm sorry for what all Buddhist extremists have done to others, I'm not here to argue this or pity him, he's deserved of death for what he have done. Thx if you reply my comment.
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Dagur-Berserker [2019-10-14 20:48:52 +0000 UTC]
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Red-Jirachi-2 [2019-09-02 11:28:52 +0000 UTC]
They didn't do what they did because of their religion. They did it because they were assholes
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Huderakjozido [2019-07-09 13:22:07 +0000 UTC]
Hitler was Christian, he wrote that his inspiration to kill the Jews was Jesus.
The nazis were like ISIS to Islam, they saw Christianety as too forgiveble and weak so they attacked other Christians too
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lisa-im-laerm In reply to Huderakjozido [2019-07-09 15:05:37 +0000 UTC]
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dreamlikestock In reply to lisa-im-laerm [2019-12-19 19:37:17 +0000 UTC]
good post friend.. the people thinking that national socialists and/or fascists were atheists have no idea about history they have their head field with the ideas of the synagogue of satan
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lisa-im-laerm In reply to dreamlikestock [2019-12-21 09:42:20 +0000 UTC]
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Huderakjozido In reply to lisa-im-laerm [2019-07-10 09:11:33 +0000 UTC]
Yes thats what I'm talking about
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kaijulord21 [2019-03-24 18:40:30 +0000 UTC]
Such a well researched and marvelously worded report of the TRUTH, the Christian religion and it’s branches have sown more misery and bloodshed than any “ pagan “ religion ever had, and they still try to do the same crap today by harassing same sex people and minori
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lisa-im-laerm In reply to Kazek552 [2018-11-08 16:13:40 +0000 UTC]
You haven't read the description, right? READ IT SIMPLY!
"And who can deny that Stalin and Mao, not to mention Pol Pot and a host of others, all committed atrocities in the name of a Communist ideology that was explicitly atheistic? [32]
“…it is interesting to find that people of faith now seek defensively to say that they are no worse than fascists or Nazis or Stalinists.” [33] ~Christopher Hitchens"
Above all I have learned from the Jesuits. And so did Lenin too, "far as I recall. The world has never known anything quite so splendid as the hierarchical structure of the Catholic Church. There were quite a few things I simply appropriated from the Jesuits for the use of the Party.
Source: Manfred Barthel, "The Jesuits: History and Legend of the Society of Jesus (New York, 1984), Adolf Hitler, p.266.👍: 0 ⏩: 0
starsatyr In reply to clarkeco6 [2019-03-31 22:21:54 +0000 UTC]
We all know that, but the Christianists insist on claiming he was an atheist, even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Case in point: the Nazis outlawed advocating atheism and freethought, and shut down all Freethinker organizations, turning the headquarters of the largest Freethinker organization into a Protestant center devoted to helping unchurched Germans find a congregation to join.
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NightmarishWarlord [2018-04-05 14:57:05 +0000 UTC]
christian : atheists reject god
me : 'rejection' , you keep using that word , i do not think it means what you think it means
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lisa-im-laerm In reply to NightmarishWarlord [2018-04-10 16:07:33 +0000 UTC]
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lisa-im-laerm In reply to ostendfaxpest [2017-09-22 08:40:12 +0000 UTC]
much much better and more even, but that's something they somehow don't like to talk or simply deny or 'forget' it
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History-Explorer [2017-05-13 23:14:42 +0000 UTC]
I'm not so sure if Hitler was an actual Christian who believed in the religion or just acting the role for political purposes appeal to a largely Christian population. The philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche's existentialism was a major influence on various radical right nationalist movements in the late 19th to mid-20th centuries. There are people who claim that Hitler was still Christian but admired components of Nietzsche without adopting Nietzsche's anti-Christian beliefs and that could be possible. He didn't hesitate from praising heroic and martial elements of Christian history of Germany such as the Teutonic Knights and the Holy Roman Empire that was an early German empire. From what I've read what Hitler didn't like was the phenomenon of neo-paganism in Germany that he saw as backwards-looking, so that is a clear point of agreement between him and Christian movements in Germany that also opposed that phenomenon.
I think with the staunchness of Hitler's anti-Semitism that it is very possible that he privately regarded Christianity as a Jewish faith that should gradually and quietly be pushed to fade away and be replaced by National Socialism as a political religion of all Germans. It is of course also possible that he believed explanations that claimed that Jesus was not Jewish. Hitler was attacked by others including conservatives who suspected that he was not Christian, and being a non-Christian in a Christian European country was still very taboo in Europe back then.
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Duriel-999 In reply to History-Explorer [2019-08-26 02:42:46 +0000 UTC]
Just read the book that is a collection of conversations Hitler had in private with supporters. He specifically states that he loathes the Jewish takeover of Europe by the Popes of old. He regards Christians as weak minded and Christianity itself an inferior tool of social control compared to Islam. Hitler used the trappings of Christianity to rule a people that viewed their Faith as inseparable to their society.
Claiming Hitler was a Christian is just as fallacious as claiming he was athiest; neither had any factor in his actions. He was an Aryan Supremist Occultist.
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DynastyOfSin [2017-05-01 10:27:56 +0000 UTC]
SSsssshhhhhh Don't let them read this!
The PC warriors and Sjws on this site are STRONG!
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DynastyOfSin In reply to lisa-im-laerm [2017-05-02 20:33:22 +0000 UTC]
Thank u for making me laugh XD
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lisa-im-laerm In reply to DynastyOfSin [2017-05-03 16:49:42 +0000 UTC]
Wasn't my intention. But fine, that it happened!
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rphb [2017-04-27 15:42:24 +0000 UTC]
It is true, atheism have caused much more death then Christendom. I can't say religion in general, because atheism is a religion.
But despite the massive atheist atrocities in the 20th century, it is still topped by islam
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king-of-hydras In reply to rphb [2017-04-29 03:21:52 +0000 UTC]
Theism is religion,athiesmy is the lack of religion. Also your Christianity in the dark ages was killing far more people then communism and Nazi's ever did
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lisa-im-laerm In reply to rphb [2017-04-27 16:00:00 +0000 UTC]
it starts getting boring!!! This cheap useless "arguments"
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