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The Kingdom of Hungary


Note: I will be doing a Warsaw Pact Series in the future, most likely East Germany, The Soviet Union, and Yugoslavia.
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Juan103801 [2023-08-02 18:52:48 +0000 UTC]

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Rion-Fan [2012-10-28 22:52:15 +0000 UTC]

I have that flag, but it's not the same color on both sides, One is red/white/green,The other red/white/blue..Maybe the other side was green and faded overtime..Don't know.

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artlovr59 [2012-09-14 07:05:26 +0000 UTC]

After a long time of study and discussion with people, I'd have to say this was about the fairest set of borders withing the historical Kingdom of Hungary, which had lost much of its Hungarian population from 1500 on.
Too bad the Allies turned the clock back, now we have constant ethnic tensions, which the international media keeps a lid on. I think that is very wrong, speaking as a journalist.

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kazi2000 In reply to artlovr59 [2012-09-24 21:44:09 +0000 UTC]

More or less ...
I mean i don't agree with Hungary having here Zakarpatia were there are mostly Ukrainians, the Maramures, Satu Mare and Bistrita-Nasaud counties of Romania were are mostly Romanians.
But south Slovakia, north Vojvodina and a corridor of the Szeklers, could be acceptable !

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artlovr59 In reply to kazi2000 [2012-09-25 17:47:24 +0000 UTC]

I hear you, and I think what should have happened was to simply ask the people. Not everyone would have voted on ethnic lines. After all, the city that returned to Hungary from Austria was mainly ethnic Germans!

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kazi2000 In reply to artlovr59 [2012-09-25 18:29:27 +0000 UTC]

I also belive that especially now, when we live in a globalized world, the EU, etc; soon borders will not have so much value.
So unrealistic irredentist claims or any kind of claims for that matter, must totally be dissapear cose in today's world they have no real foundation.
In our case, a united european identity is build. I'm sure that more and more Hungarians, Romanians, Slovakians, Austrians, etc, view themselfs first as europeans and secondly as belonging to what will soon become "regions", such as Hungary, Romania, Germany, France, etc.
So extremist ethnic nationalism, bringing up hurtfull things from the past and so on, don't really have any place in this new Europe !

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artlovr59 In reply to kazi2000 [2012-09-25 18:48:49 +0000 UTC]

If only the "extremist ethnic nationalism" were in actual fact no longer around. Sadly, many people I know are having a very hard time just for being ethnic Hungarians, or Romani, or other groups!

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kazi2000 In reply to artlovr59 [2012-09-25 19:23:11 +0000 UTC]

Indeed the Gypsys in general, either Romani, Sinti, Kalo or any other sub-group are very discriminated in Europe ... and this must stop. Every human being as the given born right to be treated with proper respect !
As for Hungarians ... i frankly never heard of discrimination towards them, the only exception would be a law in Slovakia a couple of years ago, that forbided public functionaries that belong to a minority ethnic group to use other language at their workplace other than the state official one ... and i don't think is that exagerated. I mean it's not like it forbids it at home or on the streat, simply if the state is paying you at the end of the month, at the workplace you can't be a frustrated asshole that has to demonstrate it's "superiority" to the "dirty toth" !!!
It's all about respect ... you give respect, you receive respect.
Hopefully everything will change for the better and everybody will get the respect they deserve, either being Gypsy, Hungarian, Slovakian, Romanian, Russian, French, Arab, Greek, etc. We're all humans, after all, no ?!

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artlovr59 In reply to kazi2000 [2012-09-26 08:29:51 +0000 UTC]

Yes, I suppose so. I am surprised you haven't heard of the biggest demonstration of ethnic Hungarians in Romania about a month ago. 20,000 people don't go out in the street for their rights when all is well.
But it's much better than it was. I have prepared myself that if I have to got to Romania as a reporter, and if I am beaten up by the police just for being Hungarian, the whole media world will know.
But my main worry is not Romania, but Serbia. They're really rough.
Yes, we're all humans, but will someone give ME that acknowledgement?
Do you know it can be very tiring to constantly be called a "barbarian Asiatic savage"?
So yes, respect if it's for everyone would be nice.

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kazi2000 In reply to artlovr59 [2012-09-26 12:09:10 +0000 UTC]

Those Hungarians in Romania didn't rallied for their rights, cose they have plenty ... hell, minorities in Romania have more freakin' rights than Romanians themselfs !
Anyways, they were demonstrating for the autonomy of those two counties in which they are majoritary, to form the so called "Szekelyfold".
I don't know were this crap comes from that in Romania you'll get beaten just for being Hungarian, but i can assure you, GOD AS MY WHITNESS, that nobody, not even the bastards policemen (which nobody likes 'em ) would beat people up just for being Hungarian. But if you're Gypsy ... that's a different story ... unfortunatly for them !
Romanians get along just fine with 99% of the Hungarians in Romania. We are friends, even relatives. The 1% are the Hungarian extremists that call for ... well you obviosly know what they call for, they surely don't enjoy the sympathy of our people
As for Serbia ... well my friend, in that country you could expect indeed just by walking on the street speaking Hungarian to be even deadly shot. I mean those guys aren't joking, if they hate somebody, they really hate.
Probably because they are Slavic and slavs tend to be more fanatical ... i really don't know. But we Romanians are Latins and latins are more into stuff like friendship, love ... you know ... the fluffy sweet stuff )))))))
As for the names Hungarians are called, well all that crap could end if as i said before, people would start respecting eachother more. If some Hungarians would not be that extremist and hang puppets symbolising national heroes, which that was exactly what a chauvinist Hungarian with Romanian citizenship did a few years in Miercurea-Ciuc or Csikszereda Anyways if they would stop doing stupid things like that, thus getting LOTS of unwanted attention, if they would respect borders, Europe, people, etc ... than i'm sure that all these tensions that sometimes arise would not happen and bad names won't exist.
I mean Hungarians started it all. Let's be correct !
Since 1848, they started the killings, the magyarisation, the discrimination, etc; against all the ethnic minorities living in the Hungarian administrated part of the empire. The minorities actually being the majority ! So they managed to make enemy out of everybody living in Hungary during that period. What can i say ... "bravo", "good job".
I belive the healing is also in Hungary's hand ! They started it, they must finish it. If Hungary, officially appologises for the magyarisation, the attrocities during different conflicts and so on, if they forbid organizations that support extremism and don't respect the borders, than i belive Hungary's image has a chance to improve in the eyes of it's neighbours.
Having friendly neighbours is very important ! And a nation should be very much involved in keeping friendly relations with it's neighbours, because those neighbours won't go anywhere, so it's preferable to have a friend than a perpetual thorn.
I'm sorry for the long reply, but i had a lot to say and you seem like a guy with whom a decent conversation can be made

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JWArtwork In reply to kazi2000 [2013-03-06 16:07:16 +0000 UTC]

What about the German minority in Romania Can you tell me something about them

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kazi2000 In reply to JWArtwork [2013-03-08 17:46:12 +0000 UTC]

What would you wanna know ?

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JWArtwork In reply to kazi2000 [2013-03-08 18:00:45 +0000 UTC]

Like, how many are there, and what is the relationship between those Germans and the actual Romanians And also have there ever been separatist movements of these Germans, like that was the case with the Hungarians

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kazi2000 In reply to JWArtwork [2013-03-08 18:18:32 +0000 UTC]

Right now in Romania there are about 30.000 ethnic Germans (Saxons, Swabians, etc). There relationship with the Romanians is more than good !
They never had separatist movements and have always supported the integrity of Romania. Romanian Germans always had a sense of Romanian patriotism in them. Probably one of the reasons was because during the Kingdom of Romania, the dinasty was German, the HohenzollernΒ΄s of Prussia, therefore they felt more attached to the Romanian rule after the dismemberment of the Austro-Hungarian Empire.
Another reason why Germans felt very comfortable in Romania was the filogerman feelings that Romanians had and have. That allowed Germans to keep their identity and be loyal citizens of Romania, even quite fervent Romanian patriots. Romania owes most of itΒ΄s good relationship with todayΒ΄s Germany for example, to German Romanians that have emigrated to Germany and keep a strong filoromanian sentiment.

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artlovr59 In reply to kazi2000 [2012-09-26 17:15:09 +0000 UTC]

Whatever...

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