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Published: 2013-06-07 10:01:31 +0000 UTC; Views: 2958; Favourites: 45; Downloads: 124
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Lots of stuff going on here.Items used
Ptrope Archer Class ships
Rduda Shuttles
Porsimo's LRV
Alpha base
Stonemasons city greebles
Kennys the axemans Trek truk
bunch of the other goodies at StarTrek artist unite [link]
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I like adding as much as the ole machine can take during a render.
I was going to make it even busier but I lost the file.
Thanks for the fave
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your welcome,,, and I understand, I to have suffered from the ole machine .. there is never enough RAM
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This is such a great scene.Β I like the little details, like the fire/emergency vehicle, the ship being repaired, and the captain's head being turned by an Orion woman. Good stuff.Β Thanks for sharing it!
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Thank you sir
I always try to add as many details as I can.
I probably should bring this back and rework it some
adding more people and populating the sky withΒ some
vehicles. Make it a little more busy 
Thanks for the fave too
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Those Archers are like a runabout, ain't they?
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I think the originals were more scout assault class. Basically like PT boats of WW II but very well could be used as a runabout when a nothing else was available
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Ah, so they're not really for long-distance travel but are carried to a base and then used for local patrols?
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I don't know how Mapper's intended them, but when they appear in the fiction, they're long-range scouts, but only have a crew of something like 8. Essentially unarmed, used as fast couriers and for taking the first, quick look at a system. Then the Connies come and spend a couple months doing a more detailed look after. TOS era Trek, remember - no dedicated warships! Even the destroyers have the same Science section as a cruiser.
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I thought TOS era Trek was more military and it was TNG that had the "we have no warships because we have the perfect society" bullspit?
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The TOS Star Fleet has a somewhat more military-style heirarchy than the TNG one, but even in TOS, Roddenberry's intent was that the Fleet were explorers first and warriors a distant third or fourth. Is Kirk more ready to fight than Picard? Yes. Does the Federation have dedicated warships? No. Of course, on screen all we ever see is Connies, but they frequently make the point that even Kirk sees fighting, especially large scale, organised fighting, as a thing to be avoided. And I'm fairly sure, but haven't verified, that the "no warships" thing is onscreen somwhere in TOS.
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And yet they're constantly put into use as warships.
Which makes me wonder: how incompetent is the Federation, really? I could see a warship with laboratories in a sci-fi environment, especially one that is trying to emulate the Age of Exploration, but in the end you build ships for specific purposes; a battleship makes a poor aircraft carrier (as the Ise-class conversion proved so inelegantly), a submarine makes a poor cruiser (as the abortive Type XI-B U-boats would've been), and an exploration ship is a piss-poor substitute for a purpose-built man-o-war. Yet they continually send these exploration ships into combat situations or situations where combat could be likely. It'd be akin to us sending a merchantman with some deck guns in the place of a proper destroyer or cruiser.
So yeah... something tells me Roddenberry was more optimistic than practical.
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Except that Captain Cook, Captain Vancouver, Captain de Champlain, and even Captain Columbus used ships that were identical to men-of-war for their voyages. Ships that were not terribly specialised, either - even in 1814, the difference between a line-of-battle ship and an Indiaman merchant ship was the number of guns actually aboard and the training quility of the crew.
I see a Connie as an exploration ship with good sheilds and a decent armnament, which gives it roughly the same combat ability as a Klingon D7, but way more scientific capability and quite likely a longer operational range. Of course, a Connie is probably also vastly more expensive. The Federation knows it has enemies, and it knows that exploration can be dangerous, which is why the Connies are armed - but they're intended to explore first and fight only if they must.
At least, that's true in TOS, where out of 66 episodes we see the ships used as warships maybe a dozen times? Probably less, I'm just guessing. The scenes that make us go "constantly used as warships" largely derrive from the Borg and Dominon plots of the Next-Gen era, which are well after Roddenberry was gone.
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The comparison to age of sail vessels can only be stretched so far. Obviously none of them had engines, none of them were engineered the way even a modern freighter is, and yes, they weren't much different from each other, technical wise; warships generally just carried more guns.
Problem with that is that modern ships (and by extension, ships constructed in the future, even Star Trek's ships) are obviously purpose-built vessels designed for a specific role in mind. The Constitution-class are jack-of-all trades ships, granted, but that makes them ill-suited to be warships. Space that could be assigned to additional weapons, shields, and troop barracks (boarding actions happen often enough that you'd think they'd have trained marines) are instead taken up by various laboratories and miscellaneous equipment. This is fine, so far as it goes, but that means they're at a constant disadvantage to any true warship design. You can say they're the equivalent of a D-7, but even if that's true that just posits the question: well, wouldn't it then be possible to construct a vessel better than the D-7 on a similar hull-form of the Constitution-class and about the same cost? All you'd have to sacrifice would be the non-combat equipment that a true warship doesn't need and boom, you've got something that the Klingons will actually respect.
Of course, that presumes that the Constitutions aren't warships... Which, if that is the case, why are there dedicated science ships, like the Oberth and Nova classes? Yes yes, I've read the descriptions of how they're more specialized and the Constitutions (and the Galaxys from TNG) are more general science ships, but my point stands that when sh*t hits the fan, they're the ones sent into a tactical situation where combat might occur. You can argue for them doing the exploring thing and thus coming across combat by dint of Going Where No Man Has Gone Before, fine. But when they're sent in place of a proper warshipβlike to Organia, or the incident with the Gornβthen that's just malpractice of the highest order that puts lives in unnecessary jeopardy by placing them in a tactical situation with inferior equipment to face said situation.
So in the end, they work fine as a fictional ship class, but in reality such an organization as Starfleet would get its arse handed to it over and over and over again, and the Federation would crumble like a stale cobbler at the first push by a real opponent like the Romulans or Klingons. So go ahead and tell me "it's just a show", because I can allow for things to be that way for storytelling purposes, but don't try to convince me that the idea has any merit in the cold, hard facts of reality.
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I must strongly disagree with your last parragraph. Everything else is true enough, and the only reason the Federation doesn't build more powerful, dedicated warships is because they don't need to.
Clearly, their jack-of-all-trades ships are able to stand up to Klingon and Romulan major combatants such as D7s or [i]K'tingas[/i]. I don't see that there's any evidence at all to support you claim that the ships sent to Organia were inferior to what the Klingons sent; and as for [u]Arena[/u] - well, my memory is that the [i]Enterprise[/i] was the superior ship, which is why the Gorn cruiser was fleeing in the first place.
As I see it, a Connie is designed to be a ship able to handle any major enemy combatant, and then designed to [b]also[/b] be a fully capable science vessel. The Connies are there to do the fighting when they need to - and are able to pursue Star Fleet's [i]real[/i] mission, exploration and first contact, when they [i]don't[/i] need to fight. Does this mean defence costs more than building dedicated warships would? Damn skippy. But apparently the Federation sees the ethical position of having all of their ships capable of performing useful peacetime roles as being worth the material costs of building such expensive ships. Ships like [i]Oberth[/i] exist because there is a need for more science ability than battle, and so beside the cruisers the Federation builds a number of smaller, dedicated science vessels. I seriously doubt that [i]Oberths[/i] are better at science than a Connie or a [i]Miranda[/i] - they just focus on it, to the exclusion of all the other roles the cruisers can do.
Ultimatly, unless one is intending to conquer ones neighbours, there's no need to build bigger and better warships than everyone else - just to build ones that are big enough and good enough that no-one wants to pick a fight with you. If you can afford to then make those ships able to do something else, too - well, why not? It's inefficient, but the Federation has wealth to spare. And so, I feel that yes, the Federation [i]could[/i] make warships much more powerful than those of their neighbours - but being peaceful people (mostly), they choose not to. And I see absoultely no reason why choosing to be non-agressive means that they would be unable to protect themselves.
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Here's some specs [link]
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Rather sparse details for "specs". But then again, I'm a BattleTech nerd and I love my specs as detailed as they are bullspit. XD
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Fantastic scene! I think I like how you have brought the Archer Class Starship Into Kirk's time, showing how resilient that little ship is.
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Thank you
I like to think of them as the PT boats of Star Fleet.
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I would think, that many of them would have been sold to private buyers, and put into service as transport for all manner of applications.
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I love the bottom middle scene with Kirk and Spock.
"Spock--I--need you--to--be--my --wingman on this one."
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Thank you
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Good stuff, but got to ask: Why are they boarding a Starbase shuttle when their own is right behind it?
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Transferring flights, heading off to a vacation
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lol at Kirk scoping out the green chick, and vice versa.
Wonderfully detailed picture.
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Fantastic work, so much to soak in and enjoy.
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