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You work is outstanding ... I love the ships of the Harrington books. More please
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Thank you. Hopefully, after the holiday season, I'll be able to free up some time to do some more ships.
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The space battles in Honor Harrington are unlike anything I have ever imagined, and with your incredible pictures of these ships in my mind's eye they truly come to life!
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Thanks for the compliment. That's what I was hoping for when I did this. Before I saw the first "true" artwork in the books, I had trouble "seeing" what the ships looked like, and it was even worse when trying to imagine the geometry of a battle. Now that I know what they actually look like, and how the wedge works and looks, it's much easier for me to follow along with what David has written.
Just as Russ Isler's work in the books opened my eyes, I have been hoping that I can do the same for others.
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It's really hard watching stuff like Star Wars after reading Honor Harrington. Honorverse's missile duels at tens of millions of kilometers and C fractional velocities, compared to Star Wars's blackpowder cannon ranges and sailing ship speeds, LOL.
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Yeah, I know exactly what you mean. Unfortunately, if a movie or TV show ever gets made based on the Honorverse, we'll probably end up seeing spitting-range battles. This because people are conditioned by Star Trek, Star Wars, Babylon 5, etc., to see ALL combatants in a space battle. It's just a sad fact that hardcore fans of the series will have to accept.
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I realy hope that if it comes to a movie or TV adaption, they use a design similar to that one (and not like in the first comic)
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Well, that depends on who takes up the property. Evergreen is not only out (as a production company for the Honorverse property), they aren't even a viable company now anyway. So, I guess we'll just have to wait and see who steps up, if anyone, and whether they have better luck than Evergreen.
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Great Pics...Love seeing the various weapon load-outs between the different versions and hull differences. Out of curiosity...does the Duke of Cromarty have a Hull Number?
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Thanks for the comment.
Re: DoC hull number, as far as I am aware, there has been none given in the books, and our resident ship/hull number expert hasn't given one to me.
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Given the proven vulnerability of Agamemnon class BC(P)s would not a Nike class BC(L) make a better Royal Yacht? After all it would not be engaging in active operations & its more extensive & thicker armour would provide better protection for the queen & her entourage.
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Well, with the removal of half the pods, thus shortening the pod bay, there's more room for armoring, at least at the forward half. Not all of the freed up space has been used for conference rooms, guest quarters and so on.
Also, because the pod bay is so large, the multiple reactors were all fit into the forward end of the ship to begin with. Now that there's more room, they can be spread out, increasing survivability, and reducing the chances that more than one would be taken out by a single hit.
Lastly, I think the thinking is that as the DoC was hightailing it out of harm's way, it would have the ability to throw the largest possible salvo at whoever might be chasing it, something a Nike wouldn't be able to do.
In the end, I think BuShips may have thought that opening up half the pod bay was easier than redesigning a Nike for all the extra space needed by Liz III. Sure, you can remove a few broadside weapons mounts and magazines, but it takes a lot more than just taking that stuff out to make the room needed. Better to block half of an already open space and fill it with what's needed than to remove equipment, remove/rearrange armor and cofferdamming, and *then* fill it with what's needed.
At least, that's how I justify it to myself. What Weber's reasons might have been, I have no clue. It's what he wrote, and what BuNine has to work with.
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I'm fairly sure that when Duke of Cromarty was laid down, the Nike class wasn't yet more than a paper study, also (IIRC, Nike was commissioned shortly before the resumption of hostilities in 1919).
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That's definitely a possibility. I'm not real good with all the dates that most people seem to throw around so casually, so I can't really confirm that. OTOH, my boss seems to think that the DoC may *not* actually have Keyhole, so I may have to change the model. 👍: 0 ⏩: 1
IIRC, the concept was that the volume and mass freed up by halving the pod bay could be used to simply "slot" the required royal quarters and associated areas in via the aft pod bay, then push in some armoured plating to seal the fore end of the bay off and increase general protection.
As i said, i only think that it was done that way, I could be wrong...
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Because after her last one was destroyed by those Masadans, it was decided she needed something a bit more substantial than a modified passenger liner. Something with more armor, a modern weapons suite, and enough of her own firepower to hold her own in a fight, if it came to that.
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It also parallels the use of HMS Vanguard during her brief life in commission after World War II (commissioned in 1948, decommissioned in 1958, spent most of her time in commission as a royal yacht rather than a battleship).
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Thanks for the info. Learn something new every day.
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Why would Her Majesty, Empress Elizabeth I (Queen Elizabeth III) want a BC(P) as a Royal Yacht?
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The building of HMS Duke of Cromarty as a modified BC(P) has to do with the destruction of her predecessor, HMS Queen Caitrin. In short, the Peeps, through Masadan catspaws, smuggled homing beacons aboard the two royal yachts of Manticore and Grayson and fired a special low-speed homing missile at them (the missile was designed to stealth through normal point defense systems). The attack on Grayson One was thwarted by Honor Harrington (of course), but the attack on Queen Caitrin succeeded, assassinating Prime Minister Allen Summervale and his Grayson counterpart, Chancellor Henry Prestwick.
In a fit of never-again, Manticore chose to build the replacement yacht as a modified full-up warship, to allow them to defeat another attacker. Since the Agamemmnon class were at the time the latest and most powerful extant battlecruiser class, a modified Aggie was chosen to become HMS Duke of Cromarty.
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I suppose that works, but why not a Nike-class, which has better armor?
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From what I'm getting from the Honorverse Wiki (which MAY be wrong, I can look up the dates in House of Steel later today if it's needed), HMS Nike was laid down around 1916 and commissioned by 1919. HMS Duke of Cromarty was ordered in 1915 - she was laid down before the first Nike-class battlecruiser was even ordered.
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Looks like I need to drag my copy out and go through it again...
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Fair enough. I will definitely enjoy the LACs. Wayfarer certainly makes sense to me with the CLACs. Even though she served as both pod-layer and LAC carrier test-bed, the carrier aspect seemed to loom larger in "In Enemy Hands", although I must confess a blindness where the early pod-types were concerned. Operation Buttercup left me thinking in terms of SD(P)s as an auxiliary type.
Of course, a large part of me is just hoping to see Wayfarer stacked alongside the thoroughbred CLACs. Damn, I just realized how much I loved that ship.
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Lovely piece of work. I am now really interested in the CLAC and SD(P) layouts, given how cramped the pods clearly make BC(P)s.
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If, and whenever, they might come, of course.
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Wellll... I'm currently working on the Highlander LAC, which of course has nothing to do with CLACs, but since I tend to work a class at a time, it means I will be getting to the Shrike and others soon-ish. The natural follow-up will be the CLACs (possibly including the Wayfarer - I haven't decided yet if I want to include her with the CLAC-classes), but those will probably take me a month or two to get to.
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