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Published: 2013-10-03 15:33:19 +0000 UTC; Views: 5051; Favourites: 70; Downloads: 33
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Where to begin with this one...Engineer is a combination defense/support class, with a major emphasis on defense. The most offense they get is when they wield the gunslinger, and even then, they are still reliant on Combat Minisentries to fight due to their squishy hitpoints. A good engineer always relies on his buildings, no matter what role he's trying to fulfill - an engineer that tries to do it solo can even be bested by a medic of equal skill, even WITH the Gunslinger. The moment an Engineer fails to have the cover or aid of a sentry gun, he's in extreme danger to even the weakest of classes if they can play them right.
Applejack, meanwhile, is a headstrong, run-into-trouble type character, by my understanding. She's a rodeo pony, and seems to be physical if she's forced into any form of conflict. Far as I can tell, math isn't her game, and the most advanced technology she utilizes is an apple cart. The only building we see her take any part of is in raising a barn - and even that's spent mostly singing while everyone else does the work.
With the Engi's squishy hit points and aversion to direct confrontation, we immediately have a problem with this match-up. Applejack doesn't seem to me the type to rely on a machine to do her work for her. Maybe it's just me, though?
Don't get me started on teleporters.
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When have we actually seen Applejack build anything?
When has she actually insinuated she's ever built anything?
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I think (key word: think) she has brought up building once or twice...and the pic proves she can make a toaster (not part of...unlesss) ummm yeah not to involved with applejack more pinkie...so your right ish
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The closest I've ever heard of Applejack coming anywhere near building anything was the Cutie Mark Crusaders' clubhouse - and even that I mostly just take other peoples' words for it (forgot the episode it was in, too lazy to look it up).Β Even when the Apple family is reconstructing the barn, she sings while everypony else does the work. xD
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I KNOW RIGHT? She can kick trees, sure as crap, but when everyone else is building a farm? She's singing.
What's today's pony youth coming to?
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I don't know I remember in the day IT was just pink and WORKING! not this other colors AND SINGING! jeez.....them new fangaled party cannons...WE SHOULD FILE A .....MAD LETTER TO THE PRINASS!Β
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RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!
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DEAR PRINCASS DICKSHEILD!...I MEAN CLESTIAΒ
there is the a porblem with the poni youth of tomorrow...ummm today....penis...PONIES these days are always lazy and sing stuipd songs like...uuuuu winter warp up god no.....so plz if you get this letter GET OFF YOUR FAT (nice lwawl) RAPIST ASS and do something about this! THIS YOUTH IS UNACCEPTABLE Β
~signed your faithful sudent hater blackfire2Q...oh and metal kuttyΒ
p.s I got the milk but i left it in my frige for a long while do you still want it?
p.s.s metal koltty might have a few words herselfΒ
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p.p.s I got nothin'!
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You have failed is moon now but punished by sun moon!
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The pro both your cass matchups is that you don't realize the ponies have brains. These ponies can learn from their mistakes.
Let's just say for a min that aj was engy. At first, yes, she'd be like this. But then she get the hang of the class, and start playing it right. She'd realize that being headstrong isn't the answer, and she stop.
That is where the real canon takes place: when aj has learned from her mistakes and plays engy well.
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Sure why not? While we're at it, why don't we make Rainbow Dash the Medic? Or Twilight Sparkle the Scout? Oh! Oh! I know! Make Fluttershy the Heavy!
The Engineer is about patience, strategy, and on-the-go thinking.Β Applejack might be able to learn, but she's more physical than the Engineer is.
Also? Stop making new comment threads.Β Respond to ones you've already started; making new ones won't work anything to your favor.
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Just because she's strong doesn't mean she's physical. It doesn't mean she charges into the fight.
Yeah, and I almost forgot. Demoman may be played often as an offense, but valve itself lists him as a defense. Same as engineer. While they may be tougher then engies, they were made with the intention of defense, which means they shouldn't be running into danger.
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Who said it was totally physical?
I said Applejack strikes me as strong; not physical.Β Just capable when she needs to be.
Meanwhile, Engi is squishy and can be killed by the Medic with relative ease if caught away from his sentry gun.
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Also, you're aware that engineers CAN be badasses. trust me. I've seen an engineer dominate 3 people.
without building any sentries.
without dying once.
admittedly, this guy was a god at tf2, but it just shows that it CAN be done... it's just really hard.
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ANY class can be a badass; I've seen it AND played it (given I just got extremely lucky with the Widowmaker) but the thing is they're not built to be.Β They're glass cannons on their best day.Β Applejack strikes me as a pony who can take a beating, as well as dish one out.
I've seen a Battle Medic that was better than truly combat-oriented classes once.Β It was terrifying.
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Widowmaker.
Allows Engy to fire nonstop without reloading, if he's a passable shot.
Admittedly won't do much against heavy, but will take out a scout if the engy's decently skilled.
He still can't quite run into danger, but it will reduce some squishiness.
also, Engy with gunslinger = 150hp. demoman with nothing = 175hp. Without the explosives, demo's almost as squishy as engy.
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That maybe so, but it's not how the Engi is supposed to be played.Β Being a player of Battle Medics and Combat Engis, I normally don't care for the norm, but when it comes to these matchups, it has to be considered for the sake of making a more rational choice rather than saying 'My matchup depends on this one item's existence; hope Valve doesn't nerf it!'
Consider this; I play tested a few classes in Medieval Mode to come to these decisions.Β The Engineer is near useless without his buildings; a fact that almost won Fluttershy the class (which'd fit her shy nature, and dispensers fit her caring nature better than Medic's more 'aggressive' healing style), which she only lost because I didn't know if she mixed well with machines.Β Pinkie won because I knew she did.
A basic Demoman is almost as squishy as the Engineer; but he still has one of the highest health pools, tied with Pyro, with only the Soldier (who AJ almost was) and the Heavy having higher.Β He's one of the few classes with entire builds endorsing close-quarters combat.Β While he may not fit Applejack's accent, he fits her more assertive style.
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I suppose most pick AJ as the Engineer, because they both have country accents... the similarities seem to end there.
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Pretty much.
No substance, no source - all show.
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I agree applejack is`nt so smart with electronics put a wrench in front of her and say "build a sentry AJ!!!" She`d say:"Ok whats a sentry?"
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It's not so much that...
Applejack, I have no doubt that she couldn't build something; but the question is could she build something like a sentry, teleporter, or dispenser? Secondly, does the Engineer class live up to her personal capabilities? There's an extent where you can ignore such things, but I felt the Engineer was too conflicting with AJ's skills.Β By putting Pinkie into the role, who does not really have known limits, and has been known to use gadgets, I felt it was a fitting move.
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yah I think pinkie is a reallly bad engi no offense she wouldbe a better soldier becuase her party cannon and all that
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Though I agree Pinkie would make an excellent Soldier, I also have to disagree with the statement she'd be a bad engi.Β Besides the Flim Flam brothers, Pinkie Pie is the pony that makes the most extensive use of gadgets.Β She has her welcome-wagon, her candy-copter, AND her party cannon... and who knows what other wacky gizmos?
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Pinkie just isn`t really "fit" to be engi I mean Twilight would make a great engi
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Why isn't Pinkie fit to be an engi? We have no idea what limits she has, besides maybe an inability to not be random.Β She uses gadgets, and she likes to throw parties (which the sentry nests could accommodate as a replacement for) and she does a little bit of everything.Β Seems to me, Pinkie fits better as engi than anyone.
While Twilight fits the 'smarts' portion of the engineer class, you must remember that the engineer is much more heavily a 'constructor' class.Β Twilight, in my mind, is smart enough to be the engineer, but his booksmarts seem to take the backburner besides his skill with building - and even then, besides the Dispesner (and maybe it) the Engineer doesn't seem to really be the one who designed ANY of his machines (his grandfather had the blueprints for the level 3 sentries, and the teleporters are suggested to be made by Australians.)
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HAHAHAH back burner i get it...i'll go sit in the coroner Β
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... nnnnno, no pun was intended.
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God damn it Ross I mean Gabe
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That seems the amount of thought put into Demo-Zecora as well, but that's just me.
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Nah, I called the ENGINEER squishy.Β It's sort of a term given to characters who are not physically resilient.
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Yes, I'm familiar with the term. I was just being silly, that's all.
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Sounds more like a Rainbow Dash scenario to me.
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Sounds equal to me - Applejack and RD probably have the same level of intelligence, though I imagine Applejack has more in the way of discipline while Rainbow is kinda loose cannon.
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Someone has seen the TF2 YEAH TOAST video?
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"Howdy Doodly Do! I'm Talkie toaster! I'm programmed to serve all your bread toasting needs! Can I interest you in some toast?"
www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRq_SAβ¦
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All it needs is a red eye and an annoying voice, and you have the toaster from Red Dwarf.
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Oh yes! Further analysis of the largely accepted TF2/pony combos!
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The understanding I get for why Applejack is usually the Engineer is nothing more than "They both have Southern accents".
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I'm well aware of that.Β And it's stupid, because none of the Mane 6 have German, Russian, Australian, Boston, French, or Scottish accents.Β By that reasoning, I just anhilated the potential for all of the Mane 6 to play.
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OFC because that is best reasoning.Β
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Read my above comment.
Tell me, WHY would accent - a thing that has no effect on known skill or habit or, if you're into modding, gameplay - be the better option than to actually focus on what the ponies can do?
Seriously.Β For you to think accent is the best reasoning over known ability, then certainly you must have some good reason because from where I'm standing, that seems like laziness.
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I am only saying accent cause it bugs you as you have clearly demonstrated.Β
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Nah, I just like explaining myself and seeing myself talk.
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Oh okay, that makes sense.Β
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YEAH TOAST! Please don't let me be the only one who gets that reference...
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I got it as well.
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On the other side of it, those buildings would be FAR too heavy for most ponies to carry when packed up... ever wonder why Engineer's short? That's why. Squashed by buildings.
Well no, probably not, but it's funny to think about if you ignore the medical implications.
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