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Pro-life sign at the Washington DC March For Life.Related content
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Get over it. If the brat isn't inside you, do you think you have a say? No.
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I will be putting emphasis the word -should- here in my original message. I was proposing for an idealistic standpoint, and such dilemmas shouldn't have to happen. But sadly, mistakes happen and there are rapist pricks in the world. All in all, I really don't like abortion, BUT it is not in my place to say whether someone should have the right to make a decision like that or not, hence, I am ultimately pro choice, inspire of the fact I really think abortion is a pretty bad thing
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Well at least you don't think like a lot of the other morons on here.
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i tell you what bro. if you have a uterus, great. if there's a fetus growing in that uterus, go ahead and keep it. but dont tell me what to do with mine.
also that font is stupid.
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I love how it's a man holding this sign.
Yes, a man can say what I want to do with my body.
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And if it were a woman?
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She still can't tell me what to do with my body. It's my business, not hers.
But Male pro lifers piss me off the most. They can't deal with an unwanted pregnancy.
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But women being pro-life doesn't piss you off? XD Wow, that sounds very misandrous.
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Pfft, they do. Believe me.
SURE WOMEN, GIVE UP YOUR RIGHTS TO YOUR BODY.
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So it pisses you off when women speak their mind about an issue which supposedly involves only women? It sounds like you're just angry because people who have made up their minds about something are expressing an opposing viewpoint and aren't sharing yours.
Also, it's funny how you don't mind men holding up pro-choice signs. I mean, if, as you said, men can't deal with an unwanted pregnancy (or anything involving pregnancy), then they shouldn't have a say on either side of the debate, INCLUDING the pro-choice side. Yet you guys don't seem to mind men joining your ranks as you shout down the idea of men being pro-life.
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I don't care if your pro life, in fact, some pro lifers even have exceptions, such as if she was raped, or if the woman is going to die. I actually have respect for them.
If they're holding up pro choice signs, at least they realize it's not their business to step the fuck in. Pro life is saying "YOU MUST GIVE BIRTH TO IT!!1111!11!"
Okay, so a man can firmly say that a woman can't get an abortion when he can't deal with the procedure himself? Men don't KNOW what goes into pregnancy. It's not their place to step in if you ask me. If they're pro life, they're saying the woman has a choice, and too me, that's actually better than them forcing you to go through with it.
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That doesn't make any sense! By holding up either a pro-choice OR a pro-life sign, you have just MADE it your business! By saying, "I support...", you MAKE it your business! Your statement makes no sense at all!
Because doctors and people who actually have a basic understanding of the female body totally don't know how pregnancy works. Right. Oh, and if you're going to say that you meant that they can't experience pregnancy and therefore don't know what goes into it, then, if you've never been pregnant, than neither do you.
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How does holding up a pro choice sign make it MY business?! That's the WHOLE purpose of pro choice, to say that it's only the WOMANS business, and no one elses. By holding up a pro choice sign, that's what I'm expressing!
You did get me there, I'm way too young to be pregnant, I don't wish to. But doctors don't try to say "You shouldn't get one, because it's the fetus that only matters in this situation." which is pretty much what you pro lifers say. But, one thing I CAN say is, men can't say that to a woman, especially if he's not a trained medical professional. Hell, even men doctors cannot say whether or not. Neither can female nurses. It all goes back to who's business it is, and, it's not yours either. Don't even TRY to make it by saying "IZ MY CHILD TOO!" with a couple, because AGAIN, when it comes right down to it, the woman who is pregnant in the situation can only decide.
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Uh...I'm talking about MEN holding up a sign. Did you even understand what I wrote?
Wait, so men DON'T have a hand in making the fetus? Geez, I guess men having sperm is just for appearances then. Saying that medical professions "can't say" that a woman shouldn't have an abortion is like saying a doctor can't give a medical opinion. Since abortion is a medical procedure, then he CAN give an opinion on it. Also, you're saying it's stupid that pro-choicers are supposedly saying that only the fetus matters, yet you are saying that "it's only the woman that matters". Sounds like you're just bitching about our supposed line of thinking, replacing one word with another, then saying how epic it is. First off, you never hear pro-lifers JUST talk about the fetus, but also about how men and women are affected by it too, then again, judging by the sound of your comments, it sounds like you've just been spoon fed all there is to know about pro-lifers and have just gone with that. Have you even gone to a pro-life rally to hear first hand what is said? I guarantee you'll hear more than just about the fetus.
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Oh, okay. I misunderstood. I apologize.
Anyway, yes, of course they do. Don't twist my words to say that they don't. I never said they don't, I'm just saying it's the woman's choice at the end of the day.
Well, I do admit if it had something to do with health, he does have a say, but if it doesn't affect her health it she does/doesn't get one, he shouldn't make her decisions for her.
When did I say that pro CHOICERS say the fetus matters?
That seems to be what I hear from you people. "THE POOR CHILD BAWW BAWW BAWW."
If you people actually WANT to make a difference in actual life, I'd suggest going along with actually ADOPTING children. You people preach all the damn time about how people should adopt, not abort. Okay, instead, I think you people should focus more on a child that's actually living than something in a woman's body that isn't even yours.
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I didn't twist anything. You said that I couldn't make the claim that, and I quote, "IZ MAH CHILD TOO", which I read to be an implication that the man doesn't have a say because he doesn't have any part of the pregnancy, when he does.
I wrote that wrong. I meant "pro-lifers".
Uh...we DO actually promote adoption.
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In fact, many adoption agencies, as well as pregnancy care centers, ARE RUN by pro-life groups. And focus on a child whose alive? I ask you to provide one pro-choice organization that actually helps kids in Africa or any third world country. While I'm sure one exists somehwere, the fact is that a majority of these such organizations are pro-life organizations. If you did even the slightest bit of research on what the pro-life movement is about, you'd know this.
Hey, here's a question, why don't pro-choicers talk about the "choice" of adoption? I mean, if you guys are so upset about the lack of adoptions, then why don't you help us pro-lifers out and spread the word to help encourage people to adopt? All I'VE seen from pro-choices, especially during counter pro-life rallies is "STFU PRO-LIFERS!"
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Just because you're pro choice doesn't mean you don't support a life. I for one, have done charity work, I have worked on houses, and have helped people who are starving. I would love to help people in other countries, but I can't afford/get that option yet, but I certainly would. Don't think that just because I'm pro choice doesn't mean I'm a selfish snob who supports the murder/suffering of children 
Yes, I am going to adopt a kid. I don't even know why you brought that up, because of how many kids are still in foster homes/adoption centers, I really don't see how you guys are doing much.
I will adopt a kid when I'm older, most likely one from Eastern Europe.
I do have two adopted cousins from Russia, and I love them. But I do know that they had very, very harsh pasts, as do other kids who go through a life like that. I should know considering the fact my life wasn't hunky-dory either.
I know you guys promote adoption, because that's what you people preach about 24/7. I'm just suprised how many people I've met who ARE pro life, and think abortion is wrong, but yet, they don't want to adopt at all.
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Point to where I said you didn't care about life or that you were a snob. I made the point that a majority of organizations from groups that YOU claim only care about fetuses actually help people who are living and outside the womb.
Why? Gee, because YOU brought up adoption AND you bashed pro-lifers because all we do is preach adoption yet, supposedly, never adopt! Why WOULDN'T I bring it up? (Although, technically, YOU brought it up. I just asked a question in relation to it) Also, I already showed you that pro-life groups are running many adoption centers. We're actually trying to, I don't know, get these kids adopted? While it's nice that you want to adopt, you shouldn't bash the people who run a good majority of the adoption centers out there senselessly like that. It's like biting the hand that feeds you.
Those are the people you've met. Don't you think there are pro-lifers out there who actually DO want to adopt?
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Okay, fine, you did beat me there. Whoop de freaking doo. I still don't like the pro life message that I can't choose whether I want to keep it or not.
There's also a good bit of Foster homes in which children are abused and neglected. So no, it is not as hunky dory as some people proclaim. I have seen it before, and whether they're pro life or not, it's still the fact that they're abusing these kids. It's nice that some people are generous enough to not abuse them, and I do think it's good that they're not, but some kids are neglected, and mistreated. Hell, I was emotionally abused in my home, and I wasn't even adopted/in an adoption center.
I'm sure there are, but I've met quite a few who don't. I'm asking, and give me an honest answer, would you adopt a kid?
In fact, I remember what this guy said. "Why would you adopt, man?! That's crazy. I don't see why you would."
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I didn't say you had to like it.
I never said adoption centers were "hunky dory" and I'm well aware that some foster homes abuse kids. It is a shame that it does happen. I'm not even sure why you brought this up since you're the one trying to tell me that pro-lifers need to adopt more, yet now you're talking about foster home abuse. As far as you're concerned, I'm sorry it happened to you, and it's good to know that you aren't anymore.
I won't adopt a kid for the simple reason that I wish to become a priest. (waits for all the pedophilia jokes to come out) And while I was raised in a single parent household, a child belongs with two parents. I feel like I missed out on so much being a single parent kid, and, as a priest, I'd have NO time to raise a kid, especially considering I'm forbidden from marrying anyway. Will I encourage people to adopt? Hell, yes I will. I'll do all I can to help kids get adopted.
Well, that guy was clearly the crazy one.
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Well, thank you for the compassion.
Well, I would definitely want to adopt. I'm not sure I'd be the kind of person to go through with pregnancy and child birth.
Okay, to be honest, I did misjudge you as a Pro Lifer, and I am sorry
Meh, but I will always stick by the fact that a woman will have a right to her body.
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That's fine. I've misjudged pro-choicers as well, so we've both made mistakes. 
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Okay. c:
Yeah, we all make mistakes.
So let's meet in the middle honestly. c:
(Yeah xD I guess)
c:
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And near that place I saw another strait place into which the gore and the filth of those who were being punished ran down and became there as it were a lake: and there sat women having the gore up to their necks, and over against them sat many children who were born to them out of due time, crying; and there came forth from them sparks of fire and smote the women in the eyes: and these were the accursed who conceived and caused abortion." Ante-Nicene Fathers: Volume X, The Apocalypse of Peter
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"I believe that the first and foremost right we as americans have is to life"
and that right entails having control over that life, and the body that comes with it.
A womans body belongs to her, not a fetus or religion or the government. to her and only her and only her interests on what to use it for count.
just because a fetus can't live outside a womans body does not mean it's possible rights trump hers in any way, or that her body belongs to it in any way.
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i like it, I believe that the first and foremost right we as americans have is to life
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I remember how communists in my ex-communist country forbidden abortion of any shape of form. It was punishable with jail.
My, my, how many women died in those decades
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Yeah, because they illegal, had underground abortions. Tsk, tsk, tsk!
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And complications for not having an abortion.
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i just want to say that after reading an article where a woman had had an abortion and put a kid up for adoption.. im really not that against abortion anymore
my feelings aside i think the shot is good okay
you may get a little closer to him next time and frame it portrait length
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So you're not against abortion because you read about someone...having one. Ok...
Yeah, I probably should have cropped it to make it look better.
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The above was my critique on this artwork, from this artist.
Which means that this kind of "art", which is not art at all, does not belong here, it is only religious propaganda, and this is not a religious Internet site.
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PHOTOJOURNALISM IS ART
regardless if you like the message
its a protester
though the shot is not taken in a very artistic way
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If propaganda isn't art, then neither is this... [link] or this... [link]
Now, granted, you can argue that it's BAD art, and there will always be room for that argument. But there's no point in dismissing it entirely.
Incidentally, to argue that a fetus isn't a person, you would also have to maintain that no person alive today was ever a fetus - which is untenable on several levels.
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"Which means that this kind of "art", which is not art at all, does not belong here"
Then the "Public Gatherings" category shouldn't even exist, since this is part of a journalistic photographic collection of a public gathering.
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that's exactly what i thought would happen, you conveniently make partial quotes, which is again false representation...
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Why? all you said was it was religious propaganda. If it were photos of an anti-war protest, it would be anti-war propaganda, but I bet you think THAT'S allowed, right?
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go back to their gallery and see what "art" they put out
they have no room to tell you not to post this
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You gotta love how they have images of babies on their gallery, yet they say that this photo defending babies is crap. XD Good Lord, it's someone's opinion. Deal with it!
Some people are just so ignorant...
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The above is false representation.
Abortion does not kill kids or children;
While it may kill a fetus, said fetus is not legally recognized as a person, or a citizen, or a human being;
The fetus only has the potential of being all that.
Time is against those conservatives winning anything; just look at the trends; for example: the pope in Rome forbids abortion and "the pill", and because of that, people leave the church by the millions, realizing that the middle ages are long past.
If people conformed to the christian teachings (commandments or laws or whatever), it would not be long that the earth would be populated by 100 billion human beings, and of those, only a very small few would live in half decent conditions; this would amount to innumerable crimes against humanity.
but they would be extremely happy because there are so many more souls that have been saved and sent to heaven; after a life of untold suffering.
but of course, the church is never responsible for all the wrongs it has done and is still doing, because they only "tell god's message", for the salvation of human beings.
Sadly, "the cross or the sword" has been the motto and modus operandi of christianity since the fall of Rome.
It is very difficult for a christian to think by himself, because since childhood, he has been taught to shut up, listen and obey without question.
R.I.P.
Does anyone have proof against what is said above, factual proof ?
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"While it may kill a fetus, said fetus is not legally recognized as a person, or a citizen, or a human being"
Legality means nothing in the realm of morality. Just because it's legal or illegal because some old farts with a little bit of power think it ought to be one or the other doesn't mean a bloody thing. The question is: "SHOULD it be legal or illegal?", not "It's legal/illegal, so why won't you shut the hell up?"
"people leave the church by the millions"
Really? 2,199,817,400 Christians in the world seems like a pretty big number to me, but maybe I'm just nuts.
"If people conformed to the christian teachings (commandments or laws or whatever), it would not be long that the earth would be populated by 100 billion human beings"
Such a common and half-assed argument. The Church preaches abstinence, so, if everyone did follow the Church's teaching, no one would be having kids until they were married. Maybe if people hadn't started fucking like Jackrabbits in the first place, this crappy analogy wouldn't exist in the first place.
"the church is never responsible for all the wrongs it has done"
Really?
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No, of course not.
Sadly, "the cross or the sword" has been the motto and modus operandi of christianity since the fall of Rome.
Someone's been watching too much of The View. (Reference to Rosie O'Donnell's comment about Christians being as dangerous as Radical Muslims. I mean, hey, I'm sure it was really Christians who orchestrated 9/11 and made it look like innocent Muslims did it...)
"It is very difficult for a christian to think by himself, because since childhood, he has been taught to shut up, listen and obey without question."
Just like how anti-christian zealots like yourself are willing to listen to other people's opinions. Oh, wait...
"Does anyone have proof against what is said above, factual proof ?"
*see previous responses*
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a little note in passing about "Jesus loves you", he cannot love you any more than your great-great grandfather can; they're dead.
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Spoken well from someone who can't do any damn research about Christianity. Wonderful "false representation" there, buddy.
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I'VE BEEN WHERE THAT MAN IS STANDING! And I completely agree with the message.
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a bunch of cells that happened really formed into anything, no. ONCE they have a human-shape, no DONT friggin abort >.<
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