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Pro-life sign at the Boston Massachusetts March For Life.Related content
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A clump of cells isn't a fully developed baby
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You people act like you know science, you can't even compare an unborn child to a born one and tell the difference without calling bullcrap because of your butthurt views of "women's rights".
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Yes we can.
Unborn: Sentient, no soul, can't think, not a human yet
Born: Soul, can think, is officaly human.
Who is butthurt now? And you don't give a shit about the mom.
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"Abortion: The Ultimate Child Abuse"
Well isn't that the biggest load of bullshit I've ever heard
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Kids being raped
Babies being shaken
Kids being starved to death
Kids being dehydrated to death
Kids being thrown outside nude in the cold
Kids being beaten
All not as bad as quickly killing a fetus.Β
Remember people, if it is a fetus being hurt, it is worse than a born child being tortured to possibly death.Β
The more you fucking know.Β
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no problem
p.s. idk how to friend people tbh i think ur supposed to send a nitendo requestΒ
i sent it
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Tell me your friend code then
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4313 - 3918 - 8521
NAME: Christina
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Lol you forgot to put disciplining your kids, such as:
Spanking them (in a careful, controlled manner)
Grounding them
Making them do chores
Saying no
Teaching them manners
Making them go to school
Laying down the rules
Mentioning absolutely anything about religion whatsoever
Making them eat their veggies
Setting a bedtime
Telling them to go to their room
Protecting them on the internet
Making them do homework
Anything that will but a "boundary" on them
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Not child abuse, dumbass.
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I was making fun of the PETA-like extremists who think that just merely touching a child's arm is considered abuse.
I'm much smarter than them btw. :^)
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Well, well, look who's talking!
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BECAUSE SECKS IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE LIFE AND WELL BEING OF OTHERS!! HOW DARE U SAY THAT I'M TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAH ACTIONS, U STOOPID ANTI CHOICE DOUCHEBAG!!!!
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You spelled sex wrong Dumbass!
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DATS WHY U DO BUTTSECKS! NO BABIES AND IT CURES CONSTIPATION!
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Seriously though. It's serious business.
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I know. Getting shit on your dick is nasty.
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What if someone got pregnant after rape? What if she is just 13, still unable to speak after the event, terrified of sudden movements, loud noises, and shouting. What if she was your daughter? What happens when you hear her sobbing in her room each night because of what happened. When she's checked into the mental psychiatric ward for trying to kill herself your guts twist and a lump forms in your throat. You can't stand the pain in your daughters eyes. Then you find that the monster who beat your child black and blue has impregnated her. She is fearful, and is in no way ready for this.
Carrying the child might kill her.
Will you let her chose?
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How is an unborn baby not a child?
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because it's a fetus.
Strait from my Psychology notes....
fetus- the developing human organism from 9 weeks after conception to birth
and before that 9 weeks, it is a embryo
embryo- the developing human organism from about 2 weeks after fertilization through the second month
and in the first two weeks it is a zygote
zygote- the fertilized egg; it enters a 2-week period of rapid cell division and develops into an embryo
A baby is a child.
A fetus is not a baby, a fetus is a cluster of cells. It starts out as a cluster of cells. It ends as a baby when born.
Therefore a fetus is not a child.
therefore abortion cannot equal murder or child abuse.
agree to disagree? I will not change my mind from this stance. I vary this based on situation (like a pregnant teen or women who really don't want abortion but is trying to get one), but in general, all that above is how I stand in relation to abortion.
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Fetus? Embryo? Those are just words used to dehumanize unborn children. They have hearts that beat, bodies that move, ears that hear. They think and they feel. You can hide behind your notes all you want, but you can't change the fact that unborn children are human, just like us, and that at one point we ourselves were unborn children.
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And... you expect me to care that I was a fetus myself? Doesn't change the fact that I'd respect my mother's decision to abort me if she wanted to... I wouldn't have had a thought to care though.
And correction
Fetus*
not "unborn child"
fetus.
like it or not... that's the definition. "dehumanized" or not.
And besides... people are "dehumanized" every day and I don't see you crying over them. Like, oh... People in prison.
Fun fact: Hitler's mother debated abortion when she was pregnant with him but her "good" doctors talked her out of it.
Pro-life is idiotic at times. People get abortions for good reasons, like rape. You'd ask a rape victim to keep her 'baby'? Probably would given how you scream "Abortion kills a child". Wrong. Abortion gets rid of a fetus. Not a child, it's a cluster of cells. A parasite. At one point, we were parasites.
I see no reason to restrict abortion. It's a necessary "evil". Leaves less abused children in the world, less loved children, less children in orphanages, less children in the 'system'. Less children that will know that no one gives a fuck about them. You think people actually care for those unborn children? What I see is once they pop out, the help is gone. The pro-life protesters are gone. No fucking help is given. It happens. More often than you must think.
Would I get an abortion myself? Yes, if I wanted one and if I could get a safe one. (where I am at... I can risk my life getting one in a 'back alley' abortion center).
Would I ask someone who didn't want an abortion to get one? No. It's a choice, it is not supposed to be forced on someone. I am pro-choice, not pro-abortion. Huge difference.
From your favorites, you're pro-life. And I see Christian stamps hidden around.
Congratulations: I have stereotyped you as a bigoted Christian who would not adopt the "baby" you helped "save" from abortion. That is my opinion of you. It will take a lot to change that if it is not true. Which I do not think you could.
Ma'm in short.... you will not change my opinion. There is nothing you can say that can change it. There is nothing I can say that can change yours (I think) but if you want a 'debate' I will give it to you.
Now... I will offer again.
Agree to disagree?
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Yes, I do expect you to care. Think of all the good in your life, think of your friends, think of your family, think of all the experiences you would have missed if your mother had aborted you. [link]
That's the definition given by people who devote their time to supporting the murder of innocent children.
As for Hitler, he truly did teach the pro-choice group well didn't he? His tactics are still used today.
You consider rape a good reason? The women who have abortions because of rape, more often than not, feel like they've just been raped a second time. The women who keep children who are conceived as a result of rape tend to be happy that they could bring something good out of something bad. You can keep hiding behind words like fetus all you want, but in the end you're the one who has to live with it.
Child abuse has been going up ever since abortion became legal, and that's without counting abortions.
I take it you meant unloved. By that logic you're saying that I shouldn't be here. My mother hadn't wanted a fourth child, and I'm the fourth child in my family. Many of my siblings are loved more than me and by more people than me, but as frustrating as that gets sometimes, I would never wish my life away. I have too much to do, and I've found a family outside my own. A family that seems to love me despite all my flaws, a family that tries to protect me from any harm that comes to me. So please don't say that a child won't be loved, because there will always be love for everybody, even the people in prison who mentioned before.
As for the system and orphanages, there would be less children there if our society placed more value on children. Another problem is that so much gets in the way of being able to adopt a child. I know people who want to adopt children, but can't because adoption agencies think that their house is too small or messy and that they're not good enough, despite the fact that they've already raised wonderful children and have become second parents to others. Maybe you don't care about children but there are plenty of people who do care and would go out of their way to help any child who is facing difficulties in their lives.
We can't be there for people every step of the way, but we do what we can. There are plenty of women who have chosen to keep their baby and later thank those who helped them make the decision.
There is no such thing as a safe abortion. Abortions leave mental and physical scarring that's not always noticeable at first. A legal abortion clinic is just as dangerous as a back alley clinic. Besides, you're a man, you can't get pregnant. This leads me to believe that you were either trying to trick me into feeling sorry for you, or you were referring to a girl you might get pregnant (which kind of goes against the next thing you said).
While there are pro-choice people who may not push someone into getting an abortion, there are too people many who do. Society, friends and family often pressure women into having abortions. Women who refuse to have an abortion are sometimes dragged to abortion clinic, kicking and screaming, but nobody helps them. How is that their choice?
Congratulations, your stereotype was wrong! The only part you got right is that I'm a Christian! Unlike some people, I believe that being a part of someone's life and helping them learn, grow and know true happiness & love is the greatest thing a person can do with their life. My greatest wish is to have a large family, when I'm an adult I want to have many children, both adopted and biological. Many of my friends agree that I'm great with kids and I'm going to be a good (slightly dorky) mother someday. One of them has already asked me to adopt her child, if she ever gets pregnant and can't and raise the child herself. I look forward to the day I become a mother, whether it's to my own child or someone else's. If you're not going to change your opinion of me, then oh well, it's your loss. 
Seeing as I'm only sixteen, I'm going to assume that calling me ma'am is a sign of respect (I feel so special now!), I gladly appreciate it. Although if you think you have a chance of changing my beliefs then I'll tell you now that there is not a chance of a such a thing ever happening. My belief in life being precious is far too strong to do anything but grow.
Oh and another thing, PLEASE don't use phrases that sound like something a cheesy line from a movie. It just ends up sounding like a failed attempt to intimidate me. Another thing you should know is that your failed attempts at intimidation, and your lovely little insults and attempts at bullying me aren't helping you. All it does is make you sound childish. I would type more, but I haven't been feeling well and I've got homework to do, and I'm sure you would ignore it.
Good night.
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(and yes, none of this is in order)
If I was aborted, I wouldn't be around to care.
Yes, I view life lowly. It's my opinion on it. Won't change it either.
Wait... you're 16? Okay, a two year age difference (I'm 18) but seriously, you searched me out and you're getting responses. I would not pull a TL;DR at this point. (and I called you ma'm because I couldn't figure out how old you were... and it was either call you ma'm or be 'CAPS RAGED' at for calling you a kid.
and Ma'm... You're speaking to a woman yourself. Did you not see my profile picture? This icon, Zach, is my favorite OC. Thank you for making an assumption most likely based on my icon of my favorite OC. And didn't you look at the comment all the way?
(where I am at... I can risk my life getting one in a 'back alley' abortion center).
Note the bold letters: I and my. As in, I can get pregnant. I can get an abortion. I am clearly female. If I was male... I would say (where I am at women can risk their life getting one in a 'back alley' abortion center). But I am not so I did not say that in the previous comment.
Yeah... please check the profile of people and avoid looking like a dumbass. Or at least read. I'll side with read given the 'filler' comments of stuff I did not even bring up.
Intimidation? 
... Fine, my opinion is wrong. In fact, that's what I wanted you to do. Thank you for proving me wrong. Many would not even try to, taking offense to it and getting angry calling me names without explaining that I am wrong and why.
There are women who do not regret having abortions, just as there are women who are glad they did not abort. Situations are not the same, nor are reactions. And at the same time, there are women who regret not aborting just as there are women who regret aborting. All forms exist, like it or not and I know this.
You do realize that women who do abort the fetuses stemmed from rape did so for a reason right? They would never care for a child that reminded them every day what that man did to them. They'd develop a lot of mental strain. You never heard of Rape Trauma Syndrome? Hell, they wouldn't be able to care for themselves. The other cases where the woman does not abort... I believe it is rare for children who stemmed from rape to be in a happy loving home.
And you compared rape to an abortion? 
Yes... women can and are be dragged into an abortion clinic. Yes, I highly disagree with people that do that, because at this point it is forced and I consider murder. However... I have not seen many cases of this, so I determine that this is a 'rare' occurrence. It does happen, but their actions should not outweigh what others 'need'.
Not everyone is like that. Yes, I have a younger brother and he is not planned and he is fully loved. However, I have seen in many instances... Not enough food, abuse, not enough education, being taken from parents and put into 'the system', never knowing someone that cares for them... a lot of children end up drug users, in prison, or even abusers themselves. Or dead. There are cases where that is not true, but ignoring the bad things that happen does not make them go away.
... okay... you're 16. Do you even know the requirements to adopt?
I would love to adopt. Here's my problems:
I'm openly bisexual, of a religion that is not Christian, will not marry, will not have kids of my own, have piercings (and soon tattoos), and female. I will be barred from adopting because of one thing or another. And I know this from research. You have to have a certain income, and they will do all kinds of checks. I will be barred, even though I want to adopt. Do you think this is right? (and it relates more to this than you think. Pro-life screams ADOPTION all the time... Well? Why can't I fucking adopt if I'm willing and able?)
Listen, I keep bringing up the 'agree to disagree' mostly to try to end conversations like this... I know you don't agree and I'd like to end this 'civilly' or at least on neutral ground. You brought it up and actually, I'm kinda offended you think I'm a man who benefits from abortions. I went by what I saw by checking your profile and seeing your favorites to see what kind of a person you are, I did not fucking take things out of the damn air and mesh it together. You're trying to change my view. I see it that way. I will not. In fact, you just strengthened what I believe in. I know I can't change yours, stop trying to change mine.
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Sorry I haven't responded yet. I've been really sick and trying to catch up on school work. I will finish this up as soon as I can but due to the weather and my health that's gonna be awhile. Again sorry, I should be back in possibly a few weeks.
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Look. We're not going to change our position on this. You must have known when you commented and I knew when I commented back. I like debates, but this is an argument and no one will win in an argument. That's why I kept saying "agree to disagree". There's no point in "debating" if we are not going to change our side on the matter.
Go do your school work and junk, but to me this looks like you're looking to me for pity. I don't believe this, though I do find it possible so I wish you luck in getting well and caught up in grades.
I will not comment back after this, so please let the issue go.
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It's not child abuse if it's just a clump of cells that cannot think, feel or survive without it's host (i.e, not even a child to begin with).
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Jake the dog!
We love you!
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Aren't YOU just a clump of cells? The average human adult has between 50 to 75 trillion cells, after all, so....
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No, I am a fully formed sentient being capable of thought who happens to made of cells. A fetus is not.
"Until 25 weeks of gestation, the brain isn't working, which means that before that period it cannot think, nor can it feel. It has no will for life, is not alive at this point, cannot survive outside of the womb, is not sentient, and cannot feel pain. It is not a child of 'God' until it is capable of feeling and conscious thought, and capable of understanding even vaguely the concept of life and 'God', and at 25 weeks of pregnancy, it is capable of conscious thought and perception, which is the definition of sentient in both the dictionary and the law."
Plants are living clumps of cells, too. Are you ready to cry about how we maliciously kill and consume them?
What about a woman who miscarries? If, by your logic, abortion is murder then she is guilty of manslaughter.
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"Plants are living clumps of cells, too. Are you ready to cry about how we maliciously kill and consume them?"
Plants are not human, nor do they become human, nor do they have any human DNA.
"If, by your logic, abortion is murder then she is guilty of manslaughter."
I love hearing this argument because it's the more nonsensical ones out there. Let me definite for you.
misΒ·carΒ·riage/misΛkarij/Noun
1. The expulsion of a fetus from the womb before it is able to survive independently, esp. spontaneously or as the result of accident: "his wife had a miscarriage".
2. An unsuccessful outcome of something planned.
You plan to have an abortion and carry it out. You don't plan a miscarriage, nor can you control a miscarriage. Sometimes a miscarriage happens when the fetus is already dead inside the women (known as a missed miscarriage), so who is to blame for that? Certainly not the mother. You can't control a miscarriage anymore than you can control the shedding of hair.
Here's a question for you. If a pregnant woman is murdered, do you believe it right that the criminal be charged with two counts of homicide, as is done in nearly every case? I mean, if you agree with that, then abortion IS child abuse.
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>I love hearing this argument because it's the more nonsensical ones out there. Let me definite for you.
misΒ·carΒ·riage/misΛkarij/Noun
1. The expulsion of a fetus from the womb before it is able to survive independently, esp. spontaneously or as the result of accident: "his wife had a miscarriage".
2. An unsuccessful outcome of something planned.
You plan to have an abortion and carry it out. You don't plan a miscarriage, nor can you control a miscarriage. Sometimes a miscarriage happens when the fetus is already dead inside the women (known as a missed miscarriage), so who is to blame for that? Certainly not the mother. You can't control a miscarriage anymore than you can control the shedding of hair.
Wonderful and I hope you realise that the definition of manslaughter is: unpremeditated killing: the unlawful killing of one human being by another without advance planning (malice aforethought)
Accidental murder. Meaning you killed someone even though you did not intend to. I think a woman who miscarries falls in this category quite nicely if you believe killing a fetus is no different than killing a fully formed child who can think and feel for themself and that women who abort (for whatever reason) are murderers.
>Here's a question for you. If a pregnant woman is murdered, do you believe it right that the criminal be charged with two counts of homicide, as is done in nearly every case? I mean, if you agree with that, then abortion IS child abuse.
That depends on whether or not the fetus can be considered a sentient being capable of thought and survival outside of the womb. Many people who are pro-choice (such as myself) do not find late term abortions acceptable. When a fetus becomes a baby is debatable. Personally, once it can feel and think for itself, that is when I consider it human.
"Weeks 25 to 28 of gestation; weeks 27 to 30 of pregnancy:
* Rapid brain development occurs.
* The nervous system is developed enough to control some body functions.
* The eyelids open and close.
* The respiratory system, while immature, has developed to the point where gas exchange is possible.
This is where the fetus is (1) sentient, and (2) capable of life outside of the womb. It also happens to be the cutoff for what is called fetal viability, which (3) already makes abortions after this point illegal unless bringing the child to term would endanger the life of the mother."
I also love how you decided to ignore the most important part of my argument and went straight to my plant analogy.
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"Meaning you killed someone even though you did not intend to."
You missed the part about control. There's nothing controlled about a miscarriage. The fetus either just dies in the womb or your body kills it. In no way is the mother responsible, save for it happening in her body, but this does not prove guilt. when it comes to a miscarriage, you can only take steps to try to HELP prevent it from happening, but there's no sure-fire way to 100% prevent it from happening.
"I also love how you decided to ignore the most important part of my argument and went straight to my plant analogy."
And I love how you didn't respond to my answer to the plant analogy, since it basically answers the question of your main arguments.
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>You missed the part about control. There's nothing controlled about a miscarriage. The fetus either just dies in the womb or your body kills it. In no way is the mother responsible, save for it happening in her body, but this does not prove guilt. when it comes to a miscarriage, you can only take steps to try to HELP prevent it from happening, but there's no sure-fire way to 100% prevent it from happening.
Except when the miscarriage is caused by her substance abuse, falling over, etc.
Neither is manslaughter. Because it is an accident.
>And I love how you didn't respond to my answer to the plant analogy, since it basically answers the question of your main arguments.
What? How? How the fuck does the fact that a plant doesn't contain any human DNA relate to the fact that before a certain point, fetuses aren't even a real person? You've been dancing around that fact to avoid it as far as I can see.
In the end, whether a woman has an abortion is nobodies business but her own. It's not all black and white. Women don't wander in abortion clinics thinking "Yeah want that baby sucked out of me that'll be hell fun". They either don't have the means to properly care for a child (especially if it is a teenage girl/drug addict who can barely take care of herself), were raped and do not want the living reminder of her rape or simply do not want children and the condom broke. There are already plenty of unwanted orphans in this world, we don't need any more.
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I think some people tend to convince themselves that it's not child abuse.
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How is your life fairing this moment in time?
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Pretty good. How about yours?
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