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Published: 2013-09-20 11:24:40 +0000 UTC; Views: 18127; Favourites: 128; Downloads: 248
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Map in modern style of the map I did for the MotM 1, without Albania, however.As for the flags, I did not make them, so credit for them goes to Wikipedia users F l a n k e r, Owenblacker Myriam Thyes and Klone123.
Languages used besides Italian are Franco-provençal, Ligurian, Sardinian, Emilano-Romagnol, Piedmontese and Lombard (Kingdom of Northern Italy), Venetian and Friulian (Venetian Republic), Friulian (Triestine Republic), Emiliano-Romagnol (Roman Republic), Neapolitan (Kingdom of Naples) and Sicilian (Sicilian Kingdom).
Plans for a map of the sub-national territorial units (already shown but not named in this map) and a political map exist in my head, but I don't if and when I'll do it.
- Changes from first version: Added Trentino (not sure if I actually like it, I might revert to old border) and added Albania.
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Can I ask how you realized this stunning map? Did you use a particular computer program?
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Hi! Yeah, of course. It was made with Inkscape, a vector design software programme.
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1. Does this Italy have any colonies?
2. How different from OTL was TTL's german unification?
3. Also, what happened to San Marino?
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1. Not anymore.
2. No idea, I didn't really plan much, plus the map is pretty old, I imagine it got unified in 1848.
3. It was absorbed into the Italian Confederation as TTL it didn't host Garibaldi.
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How different were TTL's Crimean War and American Civil War?
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Awesome, but Trentino is not Veneto! (Or better, nowadays it is extremely venetising but considering this a post WWII conformation at that time the identity was still very strong. In fact, that was when its autonomous constitution was written)
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I know, but my map does not deal with modern identities, nor it's really about the language or identity borders as they are now, but just once with a PoD from the 19th century, so rather different.
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Still working on this? I've some suggestions in case you ever decide to make a v3, or whatnot (that political map floating around in your head?).
Regardless, you do some great work - both of your Italian maps, & your All-Indian Union map in particular.
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For the time being, there won't be a 3rd version, but I'm working on a map that focuses on northern Italy. Tentatively calling it "La Lega di Cristo Re" And to be honest, it's been a very long time since I made this map.Β
Thanks for the kind words
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Very good!
I have a question:Β Why did you leave Roman speaking Corsica out of Italian Federation?
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Because it's not realistic that Italy could have defeated France, even if it had been wealthier. Although Corsicans speak Corsican, not Roman. And well, the French also speak a Romance language
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In this map of yours, Italy already has Savoia and Nizza which are French speaking areas in real world, in other words French departments of Savoie, Haute Savoie and Alpes Maritimes.
Italy has already taken Gallo-Romance speaking Savoia and Nizza and has not gone to war with France over them? How come?
But taking Italic-Romance Corsica would lead to war?
The reason you've given is not realistic.
I think that Corsica would definitely join Italy. Especially when Slavic Trieste and Albania did, and given the fact that Italy in your map already took French territories on its west.
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It did not. Those territories were a part of the kingdom of Sardinia until the 1850s, when they were exchanged for French support in conquering Lombardy from the Austrians. As that did not happen TTL, those territories remain Italian. It's perfectly realistic.
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Thank you, I see the point now.
But...
If there was no was between France and Italy and predecessor states, then especially Corsica should have joined Italy.
Corsica was part of Republic of Genoa (before that Aragon), and Genoa merged with Kingdom of Savoy (Sardinia).
If there was no war, why would Republic of Genoa cast off its territory just like that?
I don't see why would some entity i.e. Genoa do something like: Yes, we want to merge, but we'll give away Corsica to someone else for, well no reason, because there's no war.
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Because the point of divergence was in 1848, not in the 18th century, that means that everything until 1848 remains the same, and by that time Corsica had been French for almost a century. France ambitioned Savoy (and to a lesser degree Nice) but what mattered more was a friendly Italy, which they'll get, and obviously neither party wants to embark on a potentially dangerous path of being at odds, when both face much bigger opponents with territorial ambitions, i.e. the Germans.
I'm not being capricious, if you look at my deviantart, you'll see the original map on which this is created, which explores the creation of the Italian Confederation as a conflict. Here it is :Β nanwe01.deviantart.com/art/Motβ¦
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Thank you for the explanation, it makes sense to me now.Β
I didn't realize the divergence point from the map's description.
Sorry for the hassle.
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No worries! It's nice to have people ask questions.Β
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You're right, Romance is what I should have written for Corsican.
What I meant is that Corsican is linguistically closer to Italian than to French.
It isΒ IndoEuropean-Italic-Romance
ItaloDalmatian-ItalianTuscan-Corsican
while French is in other branch of Romance languages
IndoEuropean-Italic-Romance
WesternRomance-GalloRomance-Oil-French
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Even in OTL the Pope Pio XI have propose a doganal and a monetary union between the Italian States.
it.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lega_dβ¦
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Yes, but it was a very different kind of federalism from which most Italian liberals and radicals from 1848 wanted, one which strengthened the role of the princes and absolutism in Italy. Which is why this proposal was essentially 'paper mojado' as we'd say in Spain (empty talk basically) meant by a Pope that initialy seemed reformist but the second his political -not religious- authority was questioned by the Roman Republic of OTL turned ultramontane.
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Well yes, i think if fhe cardinal who have this idea was not assassinated now italy was very different. The Roman Republic was a good example for a democracy in Italy, and for a democratic kingdom the Kingdom of Sardinia.
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Is it modeled after the German Confederation?
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Loving this Nanwe.
One thought: could you add the following languages there too. . .
-Slovenian, Croatian and Istriot (for theΒ Triestine Republic)
-Albanian (for Albania)
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Well the map is finished, so no, I won' add any other, especially as both Albanian and the Slavic languages are associated with un-Italianess and reactionary ideologies and therefore are not well treated
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do you make the Β provinces by your self or do you get a map with the provinces already?
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I found the provinces' maps or close enough.
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Molto bella! PerΓ², se mi posso permettere, Bologna e la Romagna (e sopratutto Ferrara) non li vedo bene ai giorni nostri sotto la repubblica Romana, andrebbero sicuramente assieme al resto dell'Emilia nell'Italia Settentrionale.
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It's a fictional Italy federation of which year?
You made a brave choice, it's very hard understand the italian lenguage, dialects are almost impossible, expecially sicilian and sardinian dialects... But you made it very good.
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Today 
As a Spaniard, Italian is really easy to understand, so I don't think it's hard, but of course, that opinion might not be shared by speakers of non-Romance languages
I don't speak the dialects, of course, and to be honest I have no idea how you'd pronounce most of the stuff in dialect, however, the written part was taken from their wikis, which made the whole thing easier. My hardest time was finding the names in Friulian, which apparently is not an actual dialect, but a language much closer to Ladin ad Romansh.
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Another good map!
I am surprised especially as you have translated the names of the cities in their regional dialects.Β
Apart from the patience to search for each name, it seems to me a very nice touch that gives more the idea of ββa "confederal" Β Italy.
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Thanks!
Actually it wasn't that difficult, most of the dialects/languages have their own wiki pages so it made my life easier.
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When Albania was under Italian rule it had more territories than what you have shown on this map. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map⦠ Anyway, very nice work.
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Actually since you are Albanian yourself, I have a question. Are there any other heraldric symbols of Albania besides the double-headed eagle? Because I have been searching for them to no avail. My idea was to Italianize Albania so idk if it'd be a good idea to use an Albanian national symbol.
So, I reiterate my question about whether or not there are other heraldric symbols for Albania as a community.
Any help is really appreciated
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Yes there are, you can find some in my gallery.
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While I do know that, keep in mind that this is not actual history, but rather alternative history (uchronie). Anyway, thanks for the compliments!Β
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Cool !! Could You post CoA only ??
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Thanks! Yeah, I will.
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Here you go:Β fav.me/d6ni52r
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Why Veneto have lost Rovigo province, and half province of Verona? There land was Always been Venetians!
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Indeed they have. But as I believe I told you in the other map it's a result of the desire by the Savoyards to take the Quadrilatero from the Austrians between 1848 and 1853, and they did not care what the Venetians felt, as a strategic reasons trumped that.
Anyway, the lands have continued to be Lombard, despite the Venetian Republic's many complaints, largely because the Savoyard Kingdom now fear losing access to the Adriatic.
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Ok, very thanks! I haven't read the answer on other map!
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What do you mean? To the groups? Well I simply press "+ Add to a group" and I add it to the groups to which I contribute.
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Cool
Will you add Albania in another window?
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