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"What if GOD* is the BAD guy?"*Referring to the God of the Bible
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The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason. I call it willful ignorance because you're choosing to believe in something ignorant, read: without knowledge or supporting evidence.
I'm not trying to change you, I'm responding to your argument. Whether you change your mind is irrelevant to me, I'm still putting the rebuttal out there.
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Actually to have faith you must also have reason too, which many have. I call only having reason to look forward to is complete ignorance. What is the problem with having faith? Don't you have faith in hoping to get something or have faith in someone you love to actually make a good discison. Faith does not only go with religion but in every day things. Do not dis faith just for reason. You have to have both, because believe it or not you have faith. Faith that there is not a God. That is you faith and saying that you do not is totally hypocritical. Isn't that the same thing you do by reading stuff that says the Bible is false.
There is a lot of supporting evidence to back up the Bible. It is actually more up to date then tomorrow's newspaper. Also you can open the Bible and find a passage that has to do with what you are dealing with.
I am putting mine out there too and believe me I can argue till I am blue in the face if I have to. Reason why many say I could be a lawyer.
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Colloquial faith (syn. trust) is not religious faith. I have faith in my husband because I know him and have gathered years of evidence which lead me to believe he fulfills his end of the bargain. Theists have no such evidence with god(s).
There is far more incorrect with the bible when it talks about the world we live in then correct. It's constantly getting observations wrong, it supports a young earth, it does not support evolution, it supports a flat, dome covered Earth, it gives historical accounts that never happened and prophecy that it claims fulfilled which were never fulfilled.
The very order of creation is wrong, not to mention the time-line.
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That is the same faith we have in our God and we do have the evidence to back it up.
Actually there is a lot that is correct in the Bible. Have you actually read the Bible?
Actually it isn't then explain to me why animals all have different stripes. Why there are different flowers. There is a lot that evolution can not explain that creation can.
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No, you don't. No more than anyone of any other religion besides Christianity has evidence for their gods, to which they are just as faithful. Faith and trust are not two synonyms. Trust can be earned, faith cannot, because it's a reaction to things unseen, un-evidenced. Even the bible will tell you that.
Yes, I have read the bible. I used to study it extensively with a group. We would cover, in depth, a specific number of chapters and verses within a week. (And by study I mean compare and contrast Greek and Hebrew translations, review different literature and do group analysis) By the time the year ended, you had studied the entire bible cover to cover. I did that for about ten years.
"Actually it isn't then explain to me why animals all have different stripes. Why there are different flowers."
Because different randomly occurring variation within the genome was emphasized by specific selective circumstances in their environment. A flower which evolved a certain smell attracted a certain kind of insect. If that insect was not present, the flower would die. If the insect is present, the flower flourishes. There are billions of variations in ecosystems, so there are billions of variations in genome expression and selection.
"There is a lot that evolution can not explain that creation can."
Such as?
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Actually we do and you can not tell us other wise. Faith is the same thing with you having faith with your husband. I can not tell you that you do not have that faith with your husband. There is a lot of evidence of God just open your eyes and look around at the beauty of the world. Faith can be earned just like you said you did with your husband. You have to have faith in everything you do or believe.
Have you ever looked at it in a Christian view or did you just review it with ignorance and un-tolerance of Christians?
You just explained the same thing that creation does too.
If the Big Bang really happened then why is there not evidence of it today? (because there is clearly more evidence of creation then the Big bang theory) If monkeys are decedents of us why are there still monkeys around today?
Plus evolution is still a THEORY. Which means it has many flaws still. If it was right it would be a LAW. There is a big difference between the two.
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"Actually we do and you can not tell us other wise."
You do so for every other religion not yours. I just take it one religion further.
"Faith is the same thing with you having faith with your husband."
I've already explained why that's not the case.
"There is a lot of evidence of God just open your eyes and look around at the beauty of the world."
The world is beautiful, that doesn't mean it needs a god in order to function or exist.
"Faith can be earned just like you said you did with your husband."
That is no more true of your god than it is with Vishnu.
"Have you ever looked at it in a Christian view"
Everyone in that group were Christians. And it doesn't take a Christian to understand the bible. That's like saying you can fly if you try hard enough, and if you fell it's because you didn't try hard enough.
"You just explained the same thing that creation does too."
I explained evolution, not creation. The bible doesn't talk about variation in the genome based on exposure to different ecosystems and its requirement for success. The bible describes all variation being created as is, not developed.
"If the Big Bang really happened then why is there not evidence of it today?"
Who says there isn't evidence of it today? We can measure the expansion of the universe, trace it back to its origin, we know a great deal about how sub-particles in an event horizon would react. There most certainly is not more evidence of creation than the big bang.
"If monkeys are decedents of us why are there still monkeys around today?"
For the same reason that we descended from Europeans and there are still Europeans today. Just because some monkeys evolved down a particular evolutionary pathway, because they were exposed to specific selections, does not mean all of them were.
"Plus evolution is still a THEORY. Which means it has many flaws still. If it was right it would be a LAW. There is a big difference between the two."
Nope, that's not how theories or laws work. There is nothing higher than a theory, and all laws have corresponding theories, including theory of gravitation, et all. There is no such thing as a law in biology because there are no major tenants that can be expressed in formula through mathematics. It's too complex for that.
For example, the theory of micro-biotic disease is the theory that some diseases are caused by invasive micro organisms. Nobody disputes this, despite that it is a theory. Cell theory is the theory that macro-logical organisms are composed of micro-logical cells. Nobody disputes this, despite that it's a theory. And evolution is the theory of diversification of inheritable characteristics across successive generations of populations. Nobody (except creationists, and not on scientific ground) disputes this.
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I have explained why it is the same, which you can still not tell me other wise because every person on this earth will agree with me. NO MATTER what religion or type of person they are.
Actually it needs both God and us to help it work out. God gave us the earth to help it out and to take care of it.
Actually it is true and still you can not tell me otherwise.
Actually it does, because many have interpret the Bible in the wrong ways and it takes a Christian to help them really understand what it is saying.
It goes the same way bub.
God has done the same thing in the Bible. So. Wanna argue more, because I can go all day, but you and I know that we have better things to do.
Descents of England do not equal the same as evolution of monkeys. Try harder.
Actually there is nothing high then a law. A law has been proven time and time again while a theory can be disproved. It is so complex why is it called the Theory of Evolution and not the Law of Evolution.
Because it is still in the development process of understanding it. Actually everyone can dispute this and it can be disputed by not just creationists.
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"I have explained why it is the same, which you can still not tell me other wise because every person on this earth will agree with me. NO MATTER what religion or type of person they are. "
I am a person on this Earth and disagree with you. 
You repeating yourself is not an argument.
"Descents of England do not equal the same as evolution of monkeys. Try harder. "
They do, it's an analogy. And I even explained it. Which I'm doubting you bothered to read...
"Actually there is nothing high then a law. A law has been proven time and time again while a theory can be disproved. It is so complex why is it called the Theory of Evolution and not the Law of Evolution. "
I already explained why this isn't true. Restating your case does not equal an argument.
There is no flaw in cell theory, you completely 100% accept it. Cell theory has no law. The only reason you question evolution isn't because of academic learning, it's because your interpretation of the bible calls for it.
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Beisdes you. And it is also what you see.
Same goes for you too.
Actually I read it.
I already explained why it is. It doesn't help yours either.
Cell theory always changes. If it didn't it would be a law. No even scientist question the theory of evolution and it is not just because of the Bible.
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"And it is also what you see. "
You don't see gods, you assume them.
"Same goes for you too."
I have been avoiding repeating myself. But you are doing the debate equivalent of 'nuh uh!'
"Cell theory always changes"
"No even scientist question the theory of evolution and it is not just because of the Bible. "
It's exactly because of the bible. Only creation 'scientists' dispute evolution.
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But God's actions do show.
Actually you have been repeating yourself. Have you read your arguments?
Everyday they find something new about cells.
Creation scientists are scientists. Rather you like it or not they have the same degree as one who believes in evolution.
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"But God's actions do show. "
So says you and every theist from every religion. And yet you believe they are all mistaken. For the same reason you believe they're all mistaken, I believe you are.
"Actually you have been repeating yourself. Have you read your arguments?"
I have certainly read how many times you've said 'actually,' right before you don't actually rebut an argument.
"Everyday they find something new about cells. "
Even if that were true, and it isn't, that doesn't mean it's something new to cell theory which describes a very specific phenomenon.
"Creation scientists are scientists."
Science isn't made by degrees, it's made by following proper scientific formula. Creation science does not do that. It leads with god of the gaps fallacies and presumptive false dichotomies.
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"So says you and every theist from every religion. And yet you believe they are all mistaken. For the same reason you believe they're all mistaken, I believe you are."
Says even those who do not believe in God too.
"I have certainly read how many times you've said 'actually,' right before you don't actually rebut an argument."
Still not answering my question. Also have you noticed you doing the same?
"Even if that were true, and it isn't, that doesn't mean it's something new to cell theory which describes a very specific phenomenon."
Look at all the new virus they find and how they spread in a human. Same goes with cancer. They are cells aren't they?
"Science isn't made by degrees, it's made by following proper scientific formula. Creation science does not do that. It leads with god of the gaps fallacies and presumptive false dichotomies."
Haha really you say scientist do not need a degree. haha They do. To be a scientist you have to have a degree. You can not go around saying that you are a scientist. Honey boo, it does. You are lying to yourself now.
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A virus isn't a cell, and finding new types of cancer cells does not apply to cell theory, that states that all macro-logical life are made up of micro-logical cells. Look, if you can't be arsed to do any research on the science, this conversation isn't going to go very far.
Also, I never said a scientist does not need a degree, I said that degrees don't make science, just like getting an art degree doesn't mean you'll be doing great art. This is what's known as an appeal to authority fallacy.
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Actually it is going far because it is annoying you.
Yes you did. There are many famous creationist scientist out there that are high up and really praised for their work in the scientific community.
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So is the willful ignorance an act then? 
Please quote where I said a scientist doesn't need a degree, rather than science isn't made by degrees, it's made by following proper scientific formula.
There are infamous creationist scientists, and they are not praised for their work relating to the study of creation. In fact, creation science has been, time and time again, ruled as unscientific both within scientific establishments and in the courts.
In any case, I think we're done here. So far you haven't argued so much as said 'nuh uh!' and that's not serving anyone reading this, nor is it challenging. Come back if you ever want to debate like an adult.
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The only ignorance here is yours here.
If you want to handle this as an adult you can.
Same goes with evolution.
You know like two days ago I was told you that lets agree to disagree about this, because I took the road to adulthood while you stayed back in kindergarten. Now you want to play adult. Nice haha I can tell you other wise.
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"Agree to disagree" is just an excuse to avoid exploring an idea. But "Nuh uh!" is not a valid way to explore an idea either.
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Agree to disagree is to end the conversation peacefully as we stand at opposite ends of this argument. As still you are trying to argue. It was not a nuh uh as you are doing right now.
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You must not have wanted to end the conversation peacefully very much if all it took was a reply to keep you going. I never wanted to end the conversation peacefully because there is no peaceful way to say 'your religion is full of a-scientific fiction you only pursue out of desire for immortality, not out of desire for truth.'
Yet here we are.
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Of course, I support him as well, but my point was that you don't just sit there and nod your head to every single thing he says, do you? If he says "We're blowing up China" you don't just smile and accept it. You stop and think about wtf it means and what he's doing.
I have never heard this in any church sermon or bible. Can you give evidence of him trying to take over anything?
God has never hurt me, and neither has Satan. The only people who hurt me are other humans and occasionally myself.
I'm sorry, but this rounds right back to the whole "questioning" thing. Just because a celebrity or someone else SAYS something happened to them, doesn't mean it's true. I could tell you right now that Zeus himself appeared before me, but you wouldn't believe me, would you? Why believe the demon stories so readily?
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Someone would impeach him for doing so and I would be with them on that idea. Since I am Republican I am more likely to disagree with his ideas.
Do you feel insecure about your religion, because you insist on question and stomping down mine?
[link] Hope this answers you question.
You see what I mean about God has never hurt you nor has he hurt anyone else. Satan might have no be hurting you but he has hurt others. I have been plagued by one of his demons. Very scary actually.
Because I have had a demon haunt me before. How can you believe me?
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I have no religion, I'm Atheist.
I'm not stomping down on your religion, I'm simply pointing out its flaws. Your religion is not perfect, so please don't be so conceited to get insulted when someone thinks it isn't.
I'll give that a read now!
If you say so. I believe neither has hurt me because neither exists.
I can't believe you, and don't believe you. I actually consider it to be just your imagination, just like I swear Slenderman is following me sometimes. But we both know that's just my imagination running wild.
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Ok whatever. I am Christian. I have no problem with you being atheist and have never had.
Atheisim is flawed too. I am not conceited.
That is no.
OK whatever haha you do not have to and I do not have to believe you. Haha Slenderman
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Of course it's flawed, and I question it all the time. That's my point. It is NOT insulting or demeaning to question a religion. I'm not looking down on Christianity because I question it. If we're to thrive as a society we MUST question everything, especially the religion we use to run our lives.
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When I question my religion it is usually why might have God let this happen but you know what He usually has a plan and that was his plan.
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That's not really the questioning you should be making, you should be wondering what reason he would exist.
Buuuuut if it works for you.
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Actually I always remeber he has a plan. He always does. I have had an aunt die before I even met here but I understand God was calling her home.
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in a way, it does make sense. An enormous flood, telling Abraham to kill his son just as a "test of faith," letting his own son die an extremly horrible and excruciating death 
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Actually have you even read the Bible? There is more love then hate. God test all of us every day even you. Just in different ways. Have you noticed that Jesus hung out with sinners (which was bad in those days) more than a God loving person, because he wanted to show that you can love anyone no matter what.
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Then what about:
Tyrannosaurus?
Brontoscorpio?
Dimetrodon?
Zeuglodon?
Homo neanderthalensis?
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What does this have to do about anything I said about a year ago?
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Love it; about time this idea came to the light. From stories in the bible, I personally feel that there's no way he's a 100% good God when he's killing people and stuff.
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Its funny you want to make God seem bad when you actually have no proof that he is bad. Think about it. God shows more love then hate. Even Jesus hung with sinners.
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I am in no means attempting to argue with your faith or anyone else's, its just my opinion. According to the bible itself, God killed more people than Satan has. I personally don't see how that is "love", though again, its just my opinion and will most likely not change.
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A lot of people say that but also those same people haven't read the Bible.
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I've read it, considering I go to a religious school. However, in my opinion, I do see how God has killed more people than Satan or anyone else mentioned in the bible.
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You should also realize that God shows more love then hate in the bible. he also teaches about love or did you miss that.
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I'm just going to say that I missed all the "love" he apparently showed since I don't really feel like fighting with you over this. My beliefs are my own.
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Good for you but you are missing a lot of lessons about love in the Bible and only focusing on one thing. You are too closed minded.
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If you're saying I'm close minded, then you must be as well, considering there are things he does that cannot be classified as "love".
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How I am atleast aware of other things in the Bible besides love. No history in the world does not go with out violence or other things.
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I'm done arguing with you, considering you fail to see my side. Please go try and convince someone else as all you've said is not convincing me.
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It doesn't have to convince you. Its my beliefs.
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I don't mean to offend, but do you have proof that he is good?
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Yes I do. Have you read the Bible?
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I know the part where to punish ONE species, he decides to... WIPE OUT ALL LIFE ON EARTH when he clearly had ANY NUMBER of other options.
"Omnipotent" means "could just cause a 100% lethal plague that ONLY affects humans."
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Is that the only part you know? I would read the Bible if I were you so you can know all about what happen.
Also stop replying to old messages. It has been a year know just drop it and move on with your life.
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