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Published: 2003-07-11 06:14:02 +0000 UTC; Views: 7710; Favourites: 17; Downloads: 251
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EDIT 2016-03-12: Haha, I forgot this picture still existed. Bear in mind that this was made over a decade ago, so my views on these kinds of issues have evolved. However I'm keeping this post online for posterity; that is, I see no reason to remove any of my old stuff "just because". So, enjoy it for what it is, but keep in mind that there's no point in trying to refute it, because you're debating a point that is over 12 years old. I mean think about it: this picture is older than you are! :^)...
Try it one day. Go up to the Socialist people at your school/work and see if you can swipe something off of them without them arguing about it.
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All socialist economic theories are based around the shared ownership of the means of production; it has literally nothing to do with personal possessions.
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That is exactly why Socialism won't work. Private Ownership of the Means of Production is essential for Economic decision making.
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We have all these resources/production goods that can be made into potentially countless kinds of other goods which have countless potential production methods. Obviously we don't just use any random production method, or just make random goods we try and make what people want the most in the most efficient way conceivable using the scarce resources we have. In order to even attempt the most efficient use of resources we need to know the value of the goods. It allows us to even find rather nuanced ways of using scarce resources more efficiently. The crux of eliminating the private and separate means of production is it will eliminate the ability to determine the value of goods particularly production goods. If we eliminate private ownership than one entity be it the community, state, whatever will have to assume control of all production from mining, farming, to manufacturing, and distribution. Why would this eliminate the ability to determine value? We determine value based on Supply and Demand Prices. Consumer demands being weighed against the supply. There is no other way to rationally determine the value of goods. In order to determine the Supply and Demand price you will need competition and ultimately an exchange for goods. If one entity controls all production competition and exchange cannot happen. The One cannot compete with itself for it's own goods and the One cannot exchange goods with itself. Without knowing the value of the resources it has on hand the One will not know how to efficiently use them. All economic decision making would arbitrary. The One would be winging it instead of making rational decisions.
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This is the dumbest thing I've ever seen. First of, the notion of "can I have it" is as capitalistic as notions get. Secondly, nowhere did any communist ever write anything about just handing out things willy nilly, they talk about redistribution in terms of needs, and clearly, the guy writing needs the pen more then the capitalistic materialist who sees only the pen and not the work. Nothing in this relates whatsoever to communism, and still it's a claim against it? This is bland, bad propaganda, an utter logical fallacy, and just an all out embarrassment to its creator. What a waste of time and space...
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You have no understanding of what you are talking about.
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communism? and ur friend got a cool pen? u want it too?
communism, comrade! u share ur possibilities - u get ur demands! go to , uhm, place u called a "shop" in capitalism, and get over 9000 of it!
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Communism will never work because humans by nature will dig their heels whenever something is forced upon them. It is our nature to want what we cannot have, and to despise what we cannot escape. And the communist governments often left no means of escape for the citizens.
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Too bad capitalism doesn't seem to work either: why does joblessness in France double, just because some American banks were too greedy?
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I hate communism and socialism screw'em both to heck!
Dang Obama and Congress they're ruining us!
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Too it killed over 300 millions in the 20th centery alone !! It's just down right evil !!
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I dont think the point is that you have to give your pen away. but you have to share it.
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Since when did communism imply that people have no personal ownership, and that everything including pens have to be shared?
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Me thinks it was Winston Churchill who said that the inherent virtue of Communism is the equal sharing of poverty.
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Haha, I like that! I gotta look that one up...!
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WRONG
A Socialist/Communist is all about sharing. So maybe if you asked to borrow the pen for a bit he would let you.
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But suppose in borrowing the pen, the original pen user's duties would be stalled. If that happens, then work would not be completed on time and people would suffer because of it.
At some point property need to be retained by an individual and not given to someone else in order for progress to be made. That's ownership.
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Yeah ok, so put this same scenario into a Capitalist perspective, the answer would then be, "Yeah sure, what's it worth to ya, $20?"
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Your being ignorant. Communism doesn't believe in private ownership, soa Communist will never take something and not give it back, they'll share it. If that person asked "Can I borrow this pen?" most likely the Socialist would, after he's finished. Imagine your a beggar, you see a jewellary-laden rich buisnessman loaded with cash passing slowly in his open-top Ferrari smokin a big fat Cuban. Imagine your the beggar, your hungry, cold, maybe you have a family in the same situation; wearing torn, brown rags. Communism was born into a world like that. Lenin, who was rich, inherited loads of money, had a degree in Law and was really clever; decided to throw all that richness, power and comfort for the beggars because he loved his fellow human. Imagine Lenin was the Socialist in your picture, would he really deny him "his" pen?
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Goddamnit, people! Why be so serious about this?! It's funny, damn funny! Take it at face value, and don't start preaching your regurgitated Stalinistic beliefs.
In other news, this is hilarious.
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Communism as according to Karl Marx is NOT the abolishment of private property, but only breaks the class character of those means of production which already are operated socially by eliminating the possibility of the ruling class to siphon the earned surplus. Instead, the surplus of a certain production facility is shared by those who operate it. There is also no state or government in communism, because with the class antagonisms having ended, there is no longer any need to organize the common interests of a ruling class. The state will therefore wither away slowly, leaving administrative tasks to the direct, democratic self-administration of the people. By the way, Soviet Russia has never been communist in Karl Marx' sense of that word (because there was still surplus siphoning by a ruling class, though not a bourgeoisie but a party elite).
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I think you need to learn a little bit about how Communism works. If you swipe something from some one of course they will be angry at you, may they be Communist, Socialist Capitalist or what have you. It's stealing. If you lived in Communism, chances are you will have the same things as everyone else, there for that question wouldn't be asked.
I'm not sure if this is about the whole sharing deal with not owning your own property, well then that's just some one's life choice. It's Communism. It's what the games all about and some people like it, and some people don't. It has it's ups and downs of course but so does every political class.
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Communism only works with communists, that`s the only downside of the system. But that doesn`t mean the world shouldn`t be less capitalistic, some thing are just getiing out of hand. Getting to big.
Microsoft, for an example. The company is just getting to big to handle. To the owners, but also to society. It concentrates responsibility to much at one organisation. And After all, what does a man need? Is it really nesesary to anyone to be the bigest, the strongest or the-one-man-who-owns-all to be happy?
That`s why capitalism don`t work either. Not in a world as big as ours.
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but it may work....our damn capitalism system leaves the poor out and gives the rich and corporate companies evrything they want
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"Lost are only those who give up themselves."
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Until you eliminate the needs of individuals, Communism will never work.
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see, in this situation, the man with the pen is probably performing a function necessary to his job, doing his part for the greater good...whatever
the man wanting the pen, to me, is driven by greed.
greed is why communism wont work.
greed is capitalism.
greed is war.
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Well said. The greater priorities always come first.
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i think a lot of people are missing the point here... we're all welcome to think what we want, but making a comic like this is all about suspending your beliefs for a minute, and just enjoying whats put in front of you. so dammit, laugh! laugh i say!
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makes me think of every one in my school..hmmph..anyways..very funny and true
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Haha, i love this. Made me think of a bunch of people back when i was in highschool.
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silver-glue: Lemme guess, I'm wrong in one of the reasons sirkowski listed?
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You missed one:
- The reason why he won't give the guy the pen is because he's using it.
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I'm so great that I will write the answers from the communists before they even can.
- You're ignorant, you should watch something else than CNN.
- That's not what Communism is about, you should read The Capital by Marx. I have and etc, etc.
- Che Guevara got crusified to purge your sins, how dare you make fun of what he sttod for!
- Communism does work! I've spent 4 years in a Kibbutz (before becoming a Born Again Christian).
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But if people really gave it a chance, communism would really work.
Jesus would also crawl back from his grave and join the Beatles.
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