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A question I've seen and heard many times. Often used to justify a sin.People mistakenly seem to think that because Jesus' sacrifice on the cross was sufficient to clean our sins, we are forever saved regardless of what we do. His sacrifice wasn't meant to take away our sins so we could keep living a sinful life, walk away from His righteous ways and still somehow get to heaven. He sacrificed Himself for us to ensure that even if we sin, we can have the hope of being redeemed, of being forgiven and saved, if we accept our mistakes and ask forgiveness.
"He himself bore our sins" in his body on the cross, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; "by his wounds you have been healed." ~1 Peter 2:24
Nowadays, people want to be saved, but they don't want to repent. Repentance is: "To change one's mind. A change of heart, that involves turning away from sin" (Ezekiel 14:6)
"If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." ~ 1 John 1:9
God wants us to repent, to change. (Acts 3:19).
We confess because we admit and acknowledge we are sinning, and we repent because we know we have to change our ways. And when we change our hearts and mind about sin, a change in behavior will naturally result.
But the desire to repent is a result of the goodness of God. (Romans 2:4), so without Him, we can't achieve anything (John 15:5). Don't try to change by your own strength, because you will fail and you'll be discouraged and disappointed. Pray and ask God for help and He will change your heart.
I don't need to change, He accepts me as I am.
True.
You come to Jesus just as you are. Unclean, broken, scarred etc. He will accept you, because He loves you. But once you meet Him, you won't be the same anymore. He will renew your heart. You will be born again.
People seem to forget that if they truly accept Jesus, they will let Him work on their lives; they will have a desire of 'walking away from sin' and pursuing a godly life. If you accept Christ, but still want to leave your life unchanged, you're not actually accepting Him into your life and heart. You're just accepting the idea of believing in Him.
Believing in Jesus is not just 'knowing' He exists. Even devils believe (James 2:19) and they won't get to heaven. Believing in Jesus implies something much more than that.
Believing means: to have faith, confidence, and trust. We must believe that He IS (Hebrews 11:6), He is the Alpha and Omega, the Almighty (Revelation 1:8) The great I AM (Exodus 3:14). He is all powerful and He can clean what's unclean, He can fix what's broken, and He can heal any wound.
When you get to know Jesus, you know the wonderful things He can do in your life. And you know He can change your life for the better and you'll want that change.
God wants us to go to Him (Matthew 11:28), because He wants to give us a new spirit and heart.
"I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh." ~ Ezekiel 36:26
It's not in my control
Our sinful nature hates everything that has to do with God and His perfect ways. We are in a constant fight. While we're trying to get closer to Him, our nature is trying to go the other way.
"For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish." ~ Galatians 5:17
We have to be able to control that sinful nature. How? Starving it.
If we don't feed our nature with sinful actions, it won't have the strength to control us.
It's not our fault that we are born with a sinful nature, but we are responsible for the actions we take with it. We have to make a decision: to sin, or not to sin. We have to choose if we want to be saved or not.
So the excuse of: "It's not my fault, why would He send me to hell for something I can't control?" is invalid! (and erroneous)
You are not in control of how, when, where, etc. you're born, but only you have the control of choosing what you want to do with your life. You can take the wheel or let sin drive for you.
"So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh" ~ Galatians 5:16
We can choose to walk in the Spirit. We can choose to let God change us, giving us a new spirit and a new heart. We can choose to accept His sacrifice and be dead to sin. (Romans 6:5-11). You have the control to make that choice.
God doesn't take away our salvation; we give it up, with our actions.
People that get arrested often get angry and take grudges with the cops that imprisoned them. It's not the cop's fault. They're behind bars because they broke the law. They chose to give up their freedom. Likewise, it's not God's fault, it's ours. He did everything that was on His power so we could be saved (He did what we could not do); now it's our turn to accept that salvation.
The right question should be: why would I choose the lake of fire instead of a loving God?
What do you love more, your sins or God? God loves us and because of that, He will respect our decision. He won't force the gift of salvation (Ephesians 2:8) on us.
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If "god Loves all of us" then why did he tell one person to kill all of these other people in the bible?
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rationalwiki.org/wiki/Examples… He "loves" all of us...??
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God wants you to die just because he hates edgelords
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I am glad I chose to read this, and I hope you continue to make more. I think God would be very pleased with you.
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Honestly, as humans we create our own hell. In my opinion, when we die, if we been bad our spirits just stay on earth until we choose to repent, thus letting us go back to our creator. The whole idea of Hell is really to scare us while on earth. If it's not scaring them then those people are pretty much ignorant.
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just wondering, you do know there is no such thing as "hell" right?
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yup I know, hence why I said is "erroneous"
this is my deviation about "hell" --> nilopher.deviantart.com/art/He…
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oh man! didn't see that! XD
just making sure, cause one never knows, but I had a feeling you were just mostly trying to make a point.
although you should have probably said that more clearly on the top with that link alongside it. because people would misunderstand and think that you are saying the arguement the other people are making is erroneous because of the reasons you were writing about here, not because the doctrine of hell is not true.
it's not like we can some how magically understand what the intention was behind those words. XD
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But it is our fault as humans that we are born with a sinful nature. It's not God's fault and it's not Satan's fault, even though Satan and the demons rebelled against God first. Adam and Eve chose to rebel against God and they brought sin into the world. If Adam and Eve never rebelled against God, earth would be perfect and there would be no sin. And we also are responsible for putting Jesus on that cross. Every single one of us. But Jesus will save us if we come to Him with repentant hearts. It takes repentance and a committed relationship with Him.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaJgLB…
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Here's the truth about hell people
www.hellhadesafterlife.com/hel…
www.hellisnoteternalpunishment…
www.yhvh.name/?w=1240
www.tentmaker.org/books/GatesO…
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Satan, the demons and everyone who rejects Jesus will be thrown into the lake of fire. Turn to Jesus before it's too late.
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What about the crusaders and inquisitors? They committed just about every sin imaginable
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Only God knows the answer regarding who will be saved and who won’t. (Proverbs 28:13)
But if they truly and wholeheartedly asked for God’s forgiveness then they got it, if they didn’t ask for forgiveness then they didn’t get it and will have a bitter end.
“If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” ~1 John 1:9
It doesn’t matter the quantity or the magnitude of our sins, God’s forgiveness it’s something we will receive if we just ask for it, even if we don’t deserve it. Just like salvation it’s a gift that doesn’t depend on what we do or don’t do (Ephesians 2:8-9).
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So if I was an atheist and I saved the world on multiple occasions would that still mean I go to hell. Or not even that just doing good deeds and helping people out, would I still go to hell?
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Only Jesus saves.
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Only God can answer the question of “who will be saved and who won’t”. What I can tell you is that Christians are not the only ones who will be saved (and by being Christians we don't automatically get a ‘ticket to heaven’) but our work and good deeds doesn’t mean anything, and doesn’t win us an entrance to heaven either. Because salvation only comes from Christ, not from what we do or don’t do.
“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.” ~Ephesians 2:8-9
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So what you are saying is that God is angry asshole who will only save you from burning in Hell as long as you grovel at his feet. God sounds like a total dick head. Fuck that, I would rather go to Hell and party Gandhi, Albert Einstein, and Darwin then spend eternity with some ass shit who demands I worship him.
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Jesus "saves" you like the mafia "protects" you. Still can't believe people believe this crap. God kills everyone on earth and has the audacity to accuse Satan of being evil. Who would want to go to heaven anyway. I'll go downstairs with the interesting people. You spend eternity with Jerry Farewell, I'll spend eternity with Mark Twain. Really, I'll just cease to exist like everyone else, but if this malarkey were true, he'll would be the better option, if only for the company.
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I agree one 100% and I'm a Catholic. Besides if we go to hell we can spend eternity beating up Ayn Rand. YAY :}
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Hahaha! I'll hold her for you.
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I was going through Google once and I came across one of the dumbest Ayn Rand quotes, "It's not about who is going to let, it's about who is going to stop me." That is one of the dumbest thing's I've heard because the person who stops her is the same person who could let her. It means nothing, yet so many stupid people quote it like it is deep or meaningful. But it means nothing since again, the person who stops her is the same person who lets her.
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Yes, and your goodwill, kindness, unconditional support for your fellow people means nothing. That is a false, re-written statement.
Absolution from sin comes from many things; doing good and kind deeds is just an example of untold absolution.
This is one of several reasons why I believe that the Bible is indeed incomplete (the Bibles that are handed out these days anyway); there is too much that I've read that doesn't add up.
Kindness, forgiveness, unconditional love and support carry a huge weight, as do sacrifice, true and blind justice, courage, valiance, chivalry, perseverance, among many other things.
Sin, which is often under described, is always the antithesis of any sort of goodwill. One balances out the other.
However, most believe all of what I just said to be some sort of bulimic blasphemy, in which I say 'That's your choice to believe, but we'll soon see.'
You believe in what you wish, as long as you're not hurting anyone (not one person or living being), or other wise, you're a hypocrite and a blaspheme yourself, you ass.
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Only Jesus saves us.
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Umh…I’m a bit lost with what you’re trying to say here so I can’t give you a proper reply
It’s ok, we just have different beliefs. In my case, I believe true absolution only comes from God. The beauty of it is that we don’t deserve it.
We can’t cover sinful actions with good deeds. It would be like trying to put perfume on something rotten. We can’t erase our past and rewrite it, just like we can’t crumple a paper and expect it to be smooth again.
We don’t get absolution or forgiveness because of what we do, but because of what God can do for us.
“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.” ~ Ephesians 2:8-9
In a general way that’s true, but I believe that sin is breaking God’s law (1 John 3:4), a law that is a perfect reflection of His character, so a sin is something that is totally opposed and contrary to God.
Yes, we are all entitled to our own opinions and beliefs.
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If sin is what the imperfections of the mind conjure, then all living beings are sinful, mortal and non-mortal alike.
If sin is what the imperfections of the heart conjure, then only those whose hearts are impure are guilty of sin.
Regardless, all is made clear when the mortal faces their final judgment.
I do know very little, but can say this:
If life is finite, is the soul the same? It has to be.
Fact is, life is infinite; life, death and rebirth are all happening as I type this, and it cycles and recycles continuously.
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Hello (:
Our beliefs are different. What I believe to be sin, and what the bible defines as sin is: the transgression of the law of God (1 John 3:4).
Every created being has to choose to sin or not to sin.
Those who chose not to sin are living sinless lives and have the gift of eternal life, that gift only comes from God (Romans 6:23).
Those who chose sin (like Adam and Eve) tainted their nature and the nature of their descendants (us) with sin. (Though is posible for a sinner[nature] not to sin[act])
I agree.
Yes. The soul is the person (Genesis 2:7), we are mortals, thus finite.
Not sure if you refer here to reincarnation, or just that one person dies, other is born etc. etc. o.O
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1. The 'Law of God' is stated as a thesis, therefore it is not definitive and I would never go by it.
1a. Impurities of the mind, an example would be what arouses us sexually, whatever that may be (nude women/men, getting eaten, BDSM, etcetera); there is no sin there, but paths to sin, sure.
1b. Impurities of the heart are what generate sin and what retain it, but not infinitely. Sin is like any other impurity, it can be cleansed and absolved.
2. Misinterpreted, now made clear. The soul, or spirit of any living being is NOT one and the same as the mortal vessel, which even the Bible clearly states. Of course, the purpose is convolved beyond reasonable understanding.
3. Okay. Conception, Development, Birth, Death, Rebirth. Aetherial Energy that is purified is reused. Now as for reincarnation, past lives are not a given; memory is not always retained within the spirit of the mortal/non-mortal that had passed on (the only was a non-mortal passes on is when their aetherial energy loses its' stability and leaves the non-mortal permanently).
4. How do I know these things? You speak to a non-mortal, currently bound and sealed deep within a mortal vessel.
5. Believe what you want, just as long as your beliefs aren't used as a weapon. That's a one way ticket to Hell.
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Yup, definitely different beliefs.
This is what I believe:
You don’t need to go by it if you don’t want to. But I believe the law of God is fact, true, eternal, with no beginning and no end because it is a reflection of God who is eternal (1 Timothy 1:17). It existed before the foundation of this world.
I don’t separate the mind and the heart exactly the way you do it. For me: the mind is the general concept of thoughts, and what you know/the info you learn, while the heart conveys the deeper meaning of feelings, emotions, desires, etc.
It is possible to sin without actions.
Example:
“But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.” ~ Matthew 5:28
That’s why God asks us to ‘renew or minds’ (Romans 12:2, Ephesians 4:23)
“For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies”~ Matthew 15:19
What generates this? What we watch, hear, eat etc. etc. all that can contaminate us in a way that can lead us to sin. It’s what we call the highways of the soul. We have to be careful what we let in.
Our nature is tainted by sin, so we will have an inclination to sin unless we “starve our sinful nature”. That’s why God says: “Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh” (Galatians 5:16).
Yes. Sin can be cleansed, but only by the blood of God (1 John 1:7). For now, our sins are forgiven, but we remain with our sinful nature (because we are descendants of sinners). But once Jesus comes again, he will transform us (1 Corinthians 15:52), and we will be sinless like in the beginning, like it was meant to be. With the gift of eternal life.
It’s your right to believe what you want about the soul.
But no, that’s not what the bible says. The soul (nephesh) is not the same as the spirit (ruach) (Genesis 7:22).
“And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.” ~ Genesis 2:7
We are a soul (’nephesh’). That's why we read that souls are born (Genesis 46:18), souls eat (Leviticus 7:20) souls sin (Leviticus 5:17, James 4:4). Souls learn (Proverbs 19:2). Souls can get sick (psalm 41:4) Souls can die (Job 33:22) Souls can be touched and killed (Joshua 11:11, 1 kings 15:29) souls can be buried (psalms 35:7, Jeremiah 18:20). (every single one of those verses is talking about ‘nephesh’ = soul)
Souls can be killed:
Souls can bleed:
“Also in thy skirts is found the blood of the souls (nephesh) of the poor innocents: I have not found it by secret search, but upon all these.”~ Jeremiah 2:34Souls can sin and die:
“All the days that he separateth himself unto the LORD he shall come at no dead body (nephesh) .” ~ Numbers 6:6“The soul that sinneth, it shall die…” ` Ezekiel 18:20
“3. Okay. Conception, Development…”I believe when we die we just rot in the ground. Our bodies came from the dust (Genesis 2:7) so to the dust they return, and the breath of life God gave us returns to Him.
“All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.” ~ Ecclesiastes 3:20
“Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit (ruach) shall return unto God who gave it.”~ Ecclesiastes 12:7
So those are my beliefs.
We’ll just have to agree to disagree.
I do have a question regarding your beliefs.
How can a non-mortal be non-mortal if he/she can “pass on”?
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When the Aetherial Energy loses its' stability, the energy leaves the non-mortal vessel.
That vessel passes on, the energy eventually re-stabilizes and enters a new vessel.
The vessel passes on, not the non-mortal.
In truth, this is how we age, and mature.
nephesh, ruach...
nivan'zyi, rou'asyi...in my native tongue these mean the same thing, just used in different contexts.
Husirian o-niu-masarrei, kihai nivan'zyi...furelin dataron iri-nan-rou'asyi komodasure.
English:
The speaking of energy flow, in speaking of soul chi, and of the spirit chi are one and the same.
The soul, or spirit are one and the same in speaking of energy, which is all that they are.
If a mortal loses their soul, death is imminent because the life energy is absent. The spiritual flow has left that vessel.
No, I don't expect you to understand, just to follow. Eventually, you will. You all will.
Mortals were created imperfect, because we are also imperfect and wish to learn from our creations.
There is no such thing as perfect, as you all will soon learn. If perfect were possible, mortals would not exist.
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No, I understand. That’s why I will never follow that belief.
Thank you for sharing your beliefs with me. (:
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I find it interesting that you correlate the idea of being unable to change our past, with being unable to rectify it through goodwill (goodwill is the kindness and benevolence you show when you do kind deeds, etc).
The truth is that they don't compare, because you cannot change your past, but the only way you can be infinitely doomed by it is through the actions of mortals.
The way you describe sin, is far more complicated than it really is.
You sin when you commit any sort of wrongful act and do so with intent to cause harm, and this is really an umbrella term. It covers a wide range of things.
But a sin is not committed if a 'law' is broken without realization, nor if the knowledge of right and wrong in that situation is not known.
Another thing. Guilt by Association, Inheriting the sins of the Parents, are ideals manifested by mortals and nothing more. They are lies. It is impossible to inherit the sins of the past, because a new life means a clean slate, 100%. Doesn't matter how the life was procreated; those are all manifests of mortals.
That is how I was raised, then again, I am the daughter of the Altar of Purity and Balance.
Things are not as anyone on the planet thinks, and the time shall come when what is real will be unveiled, and what is false will be quashed.
Just keep your ears open for the sound of deafening bells, they toll for the sinners.
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I understand how you view sin.
As I Christian I view it a bit differently: sin is sin, whether we commit it intending to do harm or not. It doesn’t matter if I sin to do something really good, it’s still a sin and it’s bad.
The bible presents us what we call “unintentional sins” or “sins committed in ignorance” (Leviticus 4:2, Leviticus 4:13, Leviticus 4:22). Israel still had to seek forgiveness, because they were sins.
Unintentional, intentional, without knowing if it’s wrong or not, sin is still sin. The only difference is how the person chooses to act once they realize it’s a sin, will they continue sinning? Or will they seek forgiveness?
True. We can’t literally ‘inherit the sins’ of our parents (Ezekiel 18:20) , but sadly we can still suffer because of them.
Though we are all born with a fallen nature...
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M father did some research though and he found that hell is reserved for the devil and the false prophet though.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaJgLB…
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Satan, the demons and everyone who rejects Jesus will be thrown into the lake of fire. Turn to Jesus before it's too late.
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Then Jesus is a self-obsessed and sadistic cult leader.
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Yes, that’s true. The devil and the false prophets will be casted into the lake of fire (Revelation 20:10).
But they are not the only ones: 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Matthew 25:44-46, Revelation 21:8
“And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.” ~ Revelation 20:15
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I'm just kinda confused because my dad said that they will die, but they won't go to hell, God will just kill them, and they'll poof into nothing. I don't really know what he researched so i can't really prove what he researched was right at the moment, but oh well. Whatever the bible says.
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I had a teacher say the same thing.
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God may love us but he still sends people to a burning lake of fire for all eternity because they did some petty sins.
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The lake of fire is not for all eternity. The wicked are promised death (Romans 6:23) not eternal life (:
Here's an article I wrote about that: nilopher.deviantart.com/art/He…
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That is still incredibly cruel of him.
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ok, so you would prefer Him to let us live in pain and destroy each other and this earth instead of destroying sin forever...
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Or he could not send people to burn in hell for thousands of years just so he could kill them all. He is God, he could find a more merciful way for them to earn forgiveness.
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"Or he could not send people to burn in hell for thousands of years just so he could kill them all."
He doesn’t send people anywhere, not only because hell is not a place, also because we have the right to choose between life and death.
Also is impossible for a person to burn in hell for thousands of years because humans don’t live that long, especially if they are being consumed and destroyed by God’s holy fire.
"He is God, he could find a more merciful way for them to earn forgiveness."
We can do nothing to earn forgiveness.
But to be forgiven we just have to wholeheartedly ask for forgiveness. We don’t deserve it but He forgives us anyway. How is that not merciful? We commit a sin, we are sorry, we truly repent and ask Him to forgive us and He does. But if we dont ask for forgiveness then there is nothing He can do, He wont force us to go to Him.
He endured suffering (Hebrews 13:12) and died for us, so we could have a second chance of a sinless life (john 3:16). He taught us His ways. He is giving us time to seek Him and be saved because He doesn’t want us to perish.
"The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." ~2 Peter 3:9
How is that not merciful?
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Life is not as simple as black and white. Also God created hell as a means to torture people who displease him, according to your beliefs. There fore he chose to torture and murder people he thinks are undesirables by burning them in a holy fire. Want to guess what holicost means?
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According to my beliefs, according to God’s word God didn’t create a hell. There is no hell under our feet, and there are no people burning or being tortured anywhere right now. I’ve been telling you this since the beginning of this conversation but you are choosing to ignore it to back up your claims of an unmerciful God.
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