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Nimaru — The Problem With Being A Brony
Published: 2013-05-20 16:40:37 +0000 UTC; Views: 74245; Favourites: 1117; Downloads: 2237
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This is the first version:Many people talked about the text being too small and I thought it was pretty crowded and scattered (though I still think it was a good first attempt). So to make a better poster, I condensed the crap out of it, both in text and in images to make essentially the same points but with less space, more pictures, and fewer words. I also uploaded a MUCH larger version so you guys can print your own though I DO have it available as prints over at Redbubble:
Buy it here if you like it
POSTER @ REDBUBBLE: [link]
Anyway, I think it turned out really well so what do you think?
EDIT: Cheeseheads are Green Bay Packers fans (football) and the Blue Army are fans of Aerosmith
EDIT2: A lot of people today have commented that they can't believe that anyone would consider KH girly, but it's been more than a decade since it came out so many people forgot or were too young to remember. It's a "Disney Princess" game that uses the word "heart" a lot and has touchy feely "I LOVE YOU MAN" bromance between the main characters. Obviously it's awesome, but I've seen guys who couldn't get past that and wouldn't play the game.
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" Others will perceive being a brony as a character fault and will associate it with childishness and feminism"
Certainly others would, but not anyone I can respect. I understand it's natural to wonder and be put off by it at first, but I would expect a reasonable person to listen when we tell them that given the following two options:
1) The world has suddenly and inexplicably gone mad
2) The premise that MLP is a worthless little girl's show is false... there's something more to it
They would realize that #2 is far more likely than #1. Personally, I have always liked some "girly" shows if they had decent characters, story, or amused me (many Anime for example). MLP serves all those purposes.
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Ok fine, finding something more in something is a great part of everything, for example looking at the underlying ideas behind books (ie Frankenstein) but regardless if you respect people they will criticise which is an unfair idea but it will happen
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I have a friend who loves movies and will talk endlessly about certain ones that he thought were great for things like sound, direction, etc; things most people don't care about. I can't fault him for his tastes, but I don't take his recommendations on movies without researching them first
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Actually there's a good movie coming out next month called "this is the end" it's a comedy with a good cast including; Seth rogan, James Franco, Jonah hill and Emma Watson. Tell your mate to watch that, it looks good.
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You're assuming that if someone gets in touch with their femininity, it will automatically take away their masculinity; that our gender-based biology should control everything we see, say and do; that human beings are mere animals, acting on impulse, and that we must choose between yin and yang because it is impossible to live with a sense of balance.
I call bullshit.
I am not an animal. I'm a man, created in the image of god. I was taught, from my childhood, to follow Christ's example; to control my physical impulses and to let my spirit guide my perceptions, my words and deeds; to live with a sense of balance.
To anyone who is not a brony himself, the whole brony thing may seem to be nothing more than a bunch of grown men obsessing over girl toys, but that is a stereotype that was generated by confused and ill-informed spectators. I will concede that there are some within the fandom who fit the stereotype, but for someone like me, being a brony means having an appreciation for animation, art, music, and the over-arching theme of friendship that brings the fandom together. to me, it's not about girl toys. It's about being among friends who value honorable personality traits like honesty, loyalty, generosity, kindness, optimism and faith.
That is what being a brony means to me. Being a friend.
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OK, this may be a damned late comment to make, but you make me want to rant.
You are of course entitled to your opinions,
But Damn I get damned frustrated that you follow your biasses and dislikes of Bronies, With a Communist Hammer and Sickle...
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If you have any damned respect for that flag, then Stop dividing your fellow proletarians against you in an argument about absolute meaningless issues in a discussion about class warfare. And I know it might seem odd to draw this comparison, but when you bring the hammer and sickle along, you bring along a message, and that message is unity, NOT division....
Ok, Rant over....
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By your response, and by the fact that you are a painfully obvious troll, I can already tell that you lack the intellect and the balls needed to take part in a legitimate discussion, or to even make a passable attempt at disguising yourself.
If you want to be a troll, then for the love of god, at least try to put some effort into it. I know you can come up with something better than "Ha! Gaaaaay!".
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Oh please, I don't need to be a troll to think that bronies are gay, I'm entitled to my opinion and also balls? Really? I would fuck you up Sanjay
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Considering that neither of us have ever met face to face, neither of us would have any way to say who would beat who in any type of combat scenario. You're declared certainty that you would fuck me up, no questions asked, is just you stroking your ego while having nothing to back it up. Also, making physical threats over the internet is pointless.
You have thus further proven yourself the fool here, and I doubt I would have anything to fear from you in person.
Also, you referred to me as Sanjay, a masculine Hindu/Indian name which translates to 'He who is Completely Victorious', so thanks for the vote of confidence, kiddo.
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10-8-80 Malibu Point, 90265. Come at me bro!
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Haha. I see what you did there, Mr Tony Stark. How very fucking original.
Judging by this response, I would rather not pay you a visit, as you are clearly not worth another moment of my time. peace.
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Hahaha I didn't think you would get that 
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I find it amusing Bugs Bunny is included in point 2, considering Looney Tunes was originally intended for an adult audience in the 40s and 50s
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Applause! this is one of the most reasonable things i ever read. you are a 100% right. (i'm NOT being sarcastic, i mean this).99.9% of the reasons why people hate us is because they simply don't understand us, you point that out extremely well.
BUT, the fact our fandom has rabids like other fandoms is NOT something we should accept, if you do so i think that's ignorant. rabids will always exist but at least we can try to show them what's acceptable and what not, at least TRY. even tho you're right, a lot of ppl will use this to justify rabid behaviour. a LOT of people give me and other bronies dirty looks becasue of the cloppers and rabids, i WON'T accept that and dance around a campfire with them singing Cumbaya. i just can't.
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No no, I definitely don't mean to justify rabid behavior; only to say that just because they exist is no excuse to hate on the whole fandom. Just like I said, every fandom has evangelicals and everyone hates them (including us).
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aaaaha like that XD, true true!
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I don't care what about what PPL like. To me, everyone have the right to like whatever they like.
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You have officially turned me from a hater to a congratulator. Kudos
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I am not a brony, but I never had a problem with them.
Also FUCK YEAH LINKIN PARK!!
ahem....
Also, says up there in point 2 that MLP is made for adult audiences as well. I highly doubt that...
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" I highly doubt that..."
Why? Aren't tons of cartoons made for both kids and adults these days? Fairly Oddparents, Phineas and Ferb, etc. Just read this: [link]
But if you don't have the time or interest, I can tell you that the show's creator publicly stated that it was made for kids and parents both. Not to mention that one episode had a "Big Lewboswki" reference. I'd be curious to know what little kids have seen that R-rated movie and would get the joke.
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Fair enough. It's just whenever I saw those cartoons I was too young to get the adult jokes, and I don't really watch them now.
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No worries. I end up seeing a lot of different cartoons because of my kids. I become a fan for the humor. Gravity Falls is a really good show by the way. Something I think adults would enjoy on its own merits.
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Yeah. I do empathise. I'm a big fan of pokemon (the games at least), especially the Mystery Dungeon series. On the surface it may look really childish, but Jeez that shit gets dark!
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Good example. There were a LOT of Pokemon fans who got a lot of crap for liking it early on.
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I got 99 problems but a brony aint one
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If I sees someone that's hating MLP or other stuff that's awesome, I'm gonna print this out and stamp on their faces.
This is awesome.
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That's what it's for! Face slapping!
But seriously, it's meant as a resource and if it ever helps you, awesome!
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Face slapping! XD
This sure give me idea to talk back to the haters. ^_^
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It's about time the internet got itself some effective lawyers...
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Ugh, really? Rabid bronies are a big part of this fandom. They are the problem. And no, just because every fandom has such people does not justify their actions
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It's only a "big" part if you actively go looking for them and it's all you want to see.
You should learn to differentiate the noise from the actual people.
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You don't need to go anywhere far away. Just go to the Internet and you can see bronies pretty much everywhere
You should learn to accept critique :3
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Well... yeah. Duh.
MLP is popular on the internet, so of course there will be fans on it.
Also, I was never talking about critique. I'm talking about false information which you claim is true.
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And does it justifies their cations? No, it doesn't
Really? Well, go there and read, read a lot [link] [link] [link] [link] [link] [link] [link]
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I never said that those actions are justified. Everyone hates obnoxious folk, even if they're your fellow fans.
I answered your question as to where to find the most bronies.
Anyway, you're using tumblr as a source... tumblrs that appear to have one purpose, and that is to only highlight the bad apples and such.
Why should I even take you seriously in that regard? If you think that posts like that represent a fanbase of several million (and thinking that half of it is like that), you're sorely mistaken.
Like I said before, if all you do is actively seek out the bad stuff and only listen to the noise, that's all you're going to find.
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EQD, DB - where to find most bronies. And I'll tell you the truth - these folks are terrible
You and Nimaru are so funny. You ignore such crowded places where the majority of fanbase is because only bronies that matter and can be taken as examples are those bronies who hide under rocks and never do anything good or bad. I judge from experience of mine and other people, you can ignore it, but they pretty much nullify your points about "loving" and "tolerating" fandom
Besides, I don't need to look in special places for a Fluttertard or oldergen-basher or foalartist
[link]
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In that case, please explain why they're terrible. All I regularly see out of EQD (I have no clue what DB is) is normal fan talk and, once in a while, a lousy joke or two that falls flat.
And considering that I've lurked the hell out of numerous boards and forums (from the Round Stable to /mlp/), I've seen a general overview of the fandom at large. For the most part, it's just another fandom like any other out there right now that, for whatever reason, has people on sites like tumblr and reddit giving the general fanbase as a whole a hard time for the actions of users that don't even go said sites.
It's like it's, "Baby's first experience with a large fandom."
And for me who has been in a few over the last decade or so, it blows my mind.
>I judge from experience of mine and other people
Is this actual, personal experience (like in the real world) or just more hear-say from social media sites?
Considering that EQG staff tweet (from a person who doesn't even actually know anyone in DHX) was confirmed to be nothing but a lie last I checked, I'd personally guess the latter.
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What's wrong with EQD? Well, where to start:
1)Nobody can make Fluttershy cry and generally Fluttershy/Trixie/Derpy/etc fantards. Just, shut up, guys, nobody has to liek your waifu, hating a character for being mean to Fluttershy while adoring villains for trying to kill the main characters is damn hypocritical
2)Older gens hate - just, stop, you're not manly for watching FiM. FiM is aimed at little girls and there is nothing wrong with that. Calling older gen fans "apologists" is frigging wrong, it's like comparing them to some "abuse apologists". Jerks
3)They post nazi art. Just... just... wow, that's beyond wrong
4)Whining all the time. Twilicorn? Drama. EQG? Drama. The crew will continue pandering the targeted audience and not you. You do not own the show and never will. Grow up already, you cry all the time about haters not giving FiM a chance but when a change comes, you act just the same way
5)Generally this place is full of jerks and hypocrites. But the worst part? The admins allow such kind of attitude because apparently "no making Fluttershy cry", ""older gens suk lol", "we're so awesome everybody should give us attention" are real rules
You're not special for liking a show which was not originally targeted at you, TF fangirls, Sailor Moon fanboys etc - learn modesty, they can, why can't you?
And you judge from your personal experience. Why your experience is more legit than mine? Hmph, hypocrite. Either way, read these blogs and unless you can justify these guys, you've got no points. In fact, you only prove that bronies are far from nice and tolerating guys who can take critique [link] [link] [link] [link] [link]
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Those reasons are... rather weak if you ask me.
I'm pretty sure the Fluttershy and Nazi stuff is just joking around (the Nazi stuff at least, it was one piece for one drawfriend IIRC). Plus with Seth it's a running joke that he absolutely adores Trixie. It's not really something worth getting upset over.
The older generation "hate" is just personal opinion in the end. I'm probably sure it could be better explained in a more calm and neutral manner if they come off as overly harsh, but I've never see such arguments happen ever... plus G2 and G3 were pretty awful from the bits that I've seen.
The drama over the last couple months, specifically Twilicorn and EQG, does bring cause for alarm since those things can affect FIMs core integrity which plenty of people care about (suddenly making a key character a princess, and suddenly creating a high school spin-off does generate the worry that Hasbro is taking the creative power away from the show runners and are just turning it into another flat and obvious girls show which Lauren Faust never wanted it to be), and saying that they should just "grow up" is being downright stubborn and condescending.
Plus, saying that the majority is complaining about these things is, again, only paying attention to the noise rather than the people. It was a case of shock for a couple of days before the majority settled back down and actually thought about it. Most are neutral, but there are some with legitimate grievances against such things (those folk are pretty much only on 4chan's /mlp/, but they hate anything past season 2 so it's no real surprise there).
Personally, I'm actually optimistic for Equestria Girls. I'm betting that it will be like how the wedding episodes were and the trailer was just your typical marketing bull.
And if by "jerks and hypocrites," you mean people that have the ability to change their initial opinion after actually seeing something in full, then... okay? I guess?
I mean, I do wish that the EQD staff would be a bit more professional once in a while, but ultimately, they're a fan site ran by the fans themselves. Set your expectations accordingly and you'll be just fine when keeping them in mind.
>Why your experience is more legit than mine?
Well, I don't gather my fandom info that has been handed down from person to person before it finally ends up on someone's "anti-x" blog.
Also, you're starting to repeat on your tumblr posts... most of which don't actually have anything to do directly with bronies at all. Specifically Unicon and this Max Veers person.
- Unicon scammed both the VAs and the fans in attendance. No one won out in that fight and that person who ran it is in a heap of trouble should they ever come out of hiding.
- Why should I care about this Veers character? Because he had some white knights defending his actions?
Michael Jackson's fans always stood up for him when he was an accused child molester. I've seen numerous artists here on dA be defended by their fans after they stole commission money, started a stupid flame war or stole artwork and posted it as their own.
Having friends or fans defend the accused is nothing new in the slightest. Plus he got his comeuppance in the end so I fail to see why he should be talked about further.
If you want to keep paying attention to only the negatives by only looking at your blogs, then go right ahead. You're just another uninformed person with poorly formed opinions of the fandom at that point.
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"I'm pretty sure the Fluttershy and Nazi stuff is just joking around (the Nazi stuff at least, it was one piece for one drawfriend IIRC). Plus with Seth it's a running joke that he absolutely adores Trixie. It's not really something worth getting upset over."
Holocaust and millions of dead people are not sth you can joke about. Just. No
As for Fluttershy fans - guy, go and say anywhere in brony fandom that you dislike Fluttershy - you'll get hammered. In fact, there was one of those jokey videos about ponies getting trolled. The one involving Fluttershy had to be changed because bronies were angry. She cried and everybody lost their shit because of my God, sb made an imaginary horse cry, what a terror! Die, stupid troll! Etc
G2 cartoon didn't exist. G3 s perfectly fine cartoon bashed by bronies for no good reason at all. And I personally got involved in a couple of fights involving those bronies. Damn, they called me older-gen-apologist as if I tried to defend some raper or murderer. "Princess_Luna" is one of few older-gen fans and she often ends up quarrelling with jerkish bronies who think that hating older gen is cool, go to EQD - these guys deserve no respect because they show none
Twilight aka Princess - totally legit. LF said she always meant Twilight to become Celestia's successor. Maybe not an alicorn, but definitely a princess considering princess is pretty much a president or any other very important politician role in FiM society
It's a spin-off, dude. And bronies have been doing humanizations and high schools stories and human-in-equestria/vice versa stories since the very beginning. Finally it's canon, and suddenly "everybody loses their mind". That's really hypocritical. Besides, LF's Milky Way sisterhood - it's full of anorexic unrealistic female archetypes. She'd not do anything really different from the final concepts
This does not justifies anything, Beng a jerk, makign rape and racist jokes is never, never okay. Besides, you technically say that for brony fandom all those things are normal, for brony being a racist, sexist and an annoying jerk is normal because that's how brony fan sites work. You kinda contradict yourself
Pffft, guy. I've talked to bronies, some of my ex-classmates have become bronies even though it's Russia. Anti-x blogs are really godo thing because they show truth people like you try to hide in order to make yourself look better. No fandom is perfect, but trying to ignore such bad behaviour only makes things worse
And you still try to deny every bit of information you don't want to accept. Until you can actually accept and justify these terrible things all your words hold no significance or value, really. How can a person ignore such actions at all and say that they don't matter? Bronies bullying a person for calling them jerks? Bronies acting like watching FiM makes them speshul? It doesn't matter and have no connection to the fandom? What?
I am the part of the fandom. And I gotta admit - this is one of the worst fandom I've ever seen. Even Russian pokemon fandom isn't that bad though it was almost as bad in the beginning. You may still pretend nothing bad happens, but it it doesn't matter because truth is truth. Ignorance is bliss, well, then, ignore the truth, it's your right after all to have an opinion
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I'm starting to get the feeling here that you take the fandom much more seriously than the bronies do.
>And bronies have been doing humanizations and high schools stories and human-in-equestria/vice versa stories since the very beginning.
Just because some people draw up humanized artwork doesn't mean that everyone else actually wants it to be canon.
There's a ton of fan-made things that are awesome, but I would NEVER want them to be in the show.
>you technically say that for brony fandom all those things are normal, for brony being a racist, sexist and an annoying jerk is normal because that's how brony fan sites work
No, I said that's how all fandoms work. All fandoms have people like that and it's nothing new in the slightest. Saying that it doesn't matter for being a fan of FIM is pretty laughable and shows your bias in needing to constantly give these fans a hard time.
>Bronies bullying a person for calling them jerks? Bronies acting like watching FiM makes them speshul? It doesn't matter and have no connection to the fandom? What?
If you make sweeping generalizations out in public, you should expect to get negative feedback in return.
>they show truth people like you try to hide
>this is one of the worst fandom I've ever seen
>No fandom is perfect, but trying to ignore such bad behaviour only makes things worse
So a massive group should be responsible for the actions of a few that they have no control over in the slightest?
Ha. Haha.
>Ignorance is bliss, well, then, ignore the truth, it's your right after all to have an opinion
I've acknowledged that there's some dumb stuff that goes on. You keep insinuating and hammering down that this fandom is somehow worse than any other just because it's bronies doing it.
Congrats. You're guilty of this ignorance you're talking about.
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FYI, I came to the same conclusions you did about Bjarru. So far, it seems that he/she thinks there's a ton of angst and controversy where there is none. Every piece of "proof" they provide disproves their point. It's a weird thing to watch.
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Yeah, I'm done with it.
If these tumblr kiddies want to keep living in their little bubble, then let them. I'm just tired of social justice warriors at this point.
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And I got a feeling you will never open your eyes and see that this fandom has some real problems no matter how much you want to ignore them
"Just because some people draw up humanized artwork doesn't mean that everyone else actually wants it to be canon.
There's a ton of fan-made things that are awesome, but I would NEVER want them to be in the show."
That's your opinion, not an opinion of an average 10-14 old years girl - a targeted audience. The show was never made for you. And it is still a hypocrisy
"No, I said that's how all fandoms work. All fandoms have people like that and it's nothing new in the slightest. Saying that it doesn't matter for being a fan of FIM is pretty laughable and shows your bias in needing to constantly give these fans a hard time."
Hard time? They give hard time to people around them and even their fellow fans. If you want to show that you're better than average people or fans, they act like this. And not like 8-yers-old kids when sb doesn't like that Flutterbitch or popular ship/headcanon. Majority of pokemon or harry potter sites don't have these "rules" like "everybody loves Snape" or "PikachuxAsh is the only possible thing and pairing them with other characters deserves punishment" I'm looking at you, LyraBonbon shippers
"If you make sweeping generalizations out in public, you should expect to get negative feedback in return."
If you try to make yourself look good, unbiased and accepting critique, people expect you to act accordingly. And not like you do, cause you pretty much contradict this piece of "art" by acting like a classical brony, defending rape jokes, racism and bullying people like Purple Tinker, Yamino and others
"So a massive group should be responsible for the actions of a few that they have no control over in the slightest?
Ha. Haha"
EQD, DB, Youtube and other pony forums do not count as "a few". They contain the majority of active fandom, they dictate lots of trends in this fandom (ships, popular artists, popular ponies). These places are the centres of brony fandom, therefore, yes, majority is responsible for acts of majority
"I've acknowledged that there's some dumb stuff that goes on. You keep insinuating and hammering down that this fandom is somehow worse than any other just because it's bronies doing it.
Congrats. You're guilty of this ignorance you're talking about."
Pffft, learn to read, ignorant one. I just say the truth: you're not better than the majority of fandom. Not in the slightest, yet you act like you're the best fandom ever and all critique is biased because oh my God! Who dares to critique bronies?! Deal with critique or act all defensively and butthurt. Yes, you're one of the worst fandom, mostly because you're big, and unlike other fandom, you can't just live in your own isolated corner and not bug anybody with your speshunless (look, I watch a cartoon for little girl, give me an award). Other fandom have plenty of problems: TF fandom has G1 worshippers, Harrypotter has one of the worst ficwriters, but no other fandom accept things such as "nobody makes Fluttershy cry", "only AxB ship is canon", "headcanons rule the cartoon, not canon", "G4 is cool, everything else suks lol" as a rule by the leaders of the fandom and majority of fans. People who think otherwise are punished and bronies think it is okay
How ridiculous is that? You can go to TFs forums and say that you dislike the previous gens: some people will get angry, plenty of others won't care or will agree. You can hate Malfoy and you know what? It's okay to hate Malfoy, or Snape in HP fandom
Anyway, you're definitely not able to accept critique, rabid brony
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>rabid brony
I'm so disappointed that you needed to pull that card.
In that case, you keep living in that negative little world of yours. It's obvious that you won't look at it from my perspective.
Also, since you keep replying back so vehemently, it appears that you're the one here that's equally "rabid," if anything.
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Vehemently? I just noted the truth :3
Rabid bronies are the problem, accept the truth or not - they are
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The fact that you resorted to calling me "rabid" is you being vehement.
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Because you're rabid brony. The truth is truth
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