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Nimaru — The Problem With Being A Brony
Published: 2013-05-20 16:40:37 +0000 UTC; Views: 74245; Favourites: 1117; Downloads: 2237
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This is the first version:Many people talked about the text being too small and I thought it was pretty crowded and scattered (though I still think it was a good first attempt). So to make a better poster, I condensed the crap out of it, both in text and in images to make essentially the same points but with less space, more pictures, and fewer words. I also uploaded a MUCH larger version so you guys can print your own though I DO have it available as prints over at Redbubble:
Buy it here if you like it
POSTER @ REDBUBBLE: [link]
Anyway, I think it turned out really well so what do you think?
EDIT: Cheeseheads are Green Bay Packers fans (football) and the Blue Army are fans of Aerosmith
EDIT2: A lot of people today have commented that they can't believe that anyone would consider KH girly, but it's been more than a decade since it came out so many people forgot or were too young to remember. It's a "Disney Princess" game that uses the word "heart" a lot and has touchy feely "I LOVE YOU MAN" bromance between the main characters. Obviously it's awesome, but I've seen guys who couldn't get past that and wouldn't play the game.
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You clearly haven't met the gamer fandom.
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What? I'm a gamer, it's still not as bad. No stupid rules like "nobody makes Fluttersy cry", "Lyra loves Bonbon and all other ships go to hell" supported by 80% of the fandom and even fandom stars and leaders - because other fandoms don't have leaders or stars
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Then you sadly haven't seen the things I have. Also, 80% of the fandom? I would like to know how you got those numbers. Also what fandom leaders and stars?
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Gamer fandom is a giant community which consist of smaller sub-fandoms like ME fans, Halo fans etc. It's a giant category of independent fandoms that exist in their own worlds. They do not cross each other, they do not follow shared rules and do not have shared values, therefore comparing them to bronies is like comparing category "Christians" to category "white people". One is smaller and so it has it's own dogmas and canons, the other one is just a category. Yeah, white people do a great deal of bad things, but they are not a united community, merely a category of people sharing the colour of skin. Once gamer fandom becomes its own little world - compare them to bronies, otherwise. it's simply illogical
Pretty much every third brony loves/like Fluttershy. Go to EQD, Youtube, dA, DB and Fluttershy is the most popular pony (except Derpy and Luna). Go to polls and she is the leader or the second favourite most of time. Simply go to dA and compare hate stamps of her to other mane 6 members. Until recently (1 year or so) there was just no hate art or stamps of her - other ponies got much more mixed reactions. Even Seth says that it's the rule of fandom not to make Fluttershy cry. Bullshit
Fandom leaders and stars: bronies, who can influence trends and views of the fandom, they're the admins of websites such as , Everfree, EQD and DB, popular artists and musicians. If it wasn't for EQD, Trixie would neverbe so popular - having an admin of the most popular brony website as her fan pretty much helped her to become the star herself. Such sites also give people news, rumours and other bits of franchise information - the information fans long for
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Says you but to me as a whole gamers are still the worst. Yes you can say that one bit comes from CoD fanboys and something else from the Sonictard but as a whole I can say gamers are the worst. But maybe that's me and my personal experiences with them. So no I don't find it logical.
I actually recall hate art/stamps of Fluttershy in 2011 not simply a year or so ago. Doesn't bother me really, not really a big fan of her.
Not sure if Seth was joking (also it might be a reference to that one episode) or serious but unless you can prove that he was being serious I'm going to remain skeptical.
So that's what ''fandom leaders'' are. Interesting to say the least.
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To you they are. But well, good thing about them? Nerds like us prefer to stay away from people and can't stand casual players as rule, bronies like to talk about ponies and want to convince people that FiM is not stupid and is awesome - nd more bronies try, the harder they fall - people don't want to be bothered by guys watching cartoons - there are more important things than listening to adult guys bragging about breaking the stereotypes - sth TF fangirls have been doing for 30 years
One-two. Other ponies - at least a 5 per each. Read the comments of bronies telling people to set themselves on fire for not liking Fluttershy :3 [link]
They're pretty serious about that "rule"
Fandom is a community, community does not exist in vacuum. But no other fandom has such common set of rules - except Loki and Homestuck, I guess. Urgh, Loki fandom...
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Wait, since when do us nerds want to stay away from people and can't stand casual players? I don't know about you but myself and many others that I know aren't like this at all. Hell I hate people who hate casual gamers.
I get that there is a group of bronies who are indeed like that but I don't think most of them do that. Could be wrong of course.
I think some of them are just joking though some do appear to take it a bit too serious. Still not convinced though.
Again I have my doubts that these rules are real or that everyone follows them literally.
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TomPreston made a good article, but you seem to dislike him so I won't quote it. Anyway, the difference is - the bronydom is a community, the gamerdom is a category of people. Sometimes gamers just gather together, but usually they are divided into different groups. Comparing a category and subgroup is simply illogical, it'd amek more sense to compare bronydom to, eh, Halodom? Subgroup to subgroup. You don't compare reptilia to primates after all, you compare reptilia to mammals
Majority of bronies are like this. Wanna an advice? If you're looking for enemies in this fandom, go and announce that you dislike/don't feel sorry to Fluttershy. Good luck, you'll need it after that
Go an watch the video. Want to know the little secret? Originally it had a different ending - she actually ran away crying. Bronies went mad -> the ending was changed. How crazy is this?
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I don't dislike Tommy here. Nah, not worth the energy just because I disagree with him on somethings.
Interesting point you bring up but gamers as a whole can also be a community as well. You do however make a good point nonetheless.
And a majority is what? How many fans should I be thinking off then? And really, that will work? I must put this to the test at some point.
That is crazy though I can say the same for games who hated the ME 3 ending. Still crazy though but nothing new.
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Just go anywhere in the bronydom. Like, EQd, DB, dA, tumblr - just go and while talking to bronies say sth like: "I dislike Fluttersy/She's boring/What a crybaby". Admit it, you'll get less hate for criticising any other character. Except Derpy, maybe
Well, in that case we had terrible plot twist and logical discontinuity and as a result got EC - mu better. In this case we got crazy fanboys defending their waifu. Apparently, you can ate any pony, except Fluttershy. She's a holy cowand if you don't like her, you deserve punishment... eh, what a Mary Sue she is
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Somehow I'm thinking of old/new Dante. And a few others. Weird...
But the point still stand that a lot of people didn't like the original for whatever reason (haven't played ME so I can't say) even though the original creators thought it was good and fans/fanboys started moaning that they wanted it too change. They are very similar in that regard.
I dunno, I've seen some fans react similar to people hating RD, Luna and some others.
Mary Sue...mmm, a term that lost it's original purpose I'm afraid. But anyway, I'll talk to ya later when I get back. Cheerio.
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I'd say the endings lacked quality. Ideas are okay, they're not bad cause there was really not other way but Deus Ex Machina, but cause it's the last game of the trilogy - demonstrating the results of your actions is a rule. Unless it's some tragedy/mystery genre, and ME is certainly isn't
Eh, you still may freely criticise the princess and RD, no "fandom rules". Though they're really popular, yeah
Till later then :3
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I see.
Where are these rules actually posted?
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Pretty much everypony in this fandom know it's wise not to get in way of Flutterfans. Seth said it, fans say that. t's like "Dinky is Derpy's daughter". It's not published, but everybody follows it
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These ones do seem...overly attached to a fictional character. Just like the old days.
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Unfortunately, it's way too common in this fandom... eh, every fandom has its fan favourite, but Fluttersy, Loki and Starscream etc have the special place in fans hearts it seems XD
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Well, less than Prowl or Jazz but yeah XD I'd love to see their fangirls fight FS fans. That would be a battle of century XD
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It sounds to me like it would be a typical internet flame war.
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Yeah, I wonder who would be victorious. Fangirls are more persistent and experienced, but bronies got quantity... well, I can't stand both sides, so seeing them fight is a good show
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I'd probably discourage my side's participants and tell them to act like the rest of the fandom.
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Eh, it's useless. People are driven by emotions, logic is not as effective as feelings. I'd watch and eat popcorn
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And yet a balance can be struck if you search hard enough.
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What's the point? For me the fact that people like me can't speak our mind because we dislike Fluttershy, like older gens and don't support popular headcanon is bad enough, nothing can be done about it. This fandom is on the peak of its popularity. Once the show ends, it'll become better but until now it's better to simply observe
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That's your choice. I've never been the one to just stand on the sidelines like some observer or coward. Nah, I like to dive right into it.
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Then I applaud to your courage and endurance, but I've got more important things to do. And it's way too emotionally draining :3
Good luck, have fun
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Not needed. This little side job hardly does anything to me.
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Well it doesn't justify it but is not like we can anything to stop it.
Like you said every fandom has them. And if those fandoms that are older than the Brony fandom haven't solve that problem then what a 2 and a half year old fandom is going to do?
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The thing is, most of those old fandoms are not big enough to bother people. Well, Pokemon used to be and same goes to Naruto. Thankfully it has become better lately. And, I guess it's hard to believe but Pokemon got even worse reaction - some Arabian countries have/had rules prohibiting watching pokemon cause it's eeevil 
Ignoring the problem and pretending that everything is perfectly fine is not the best type of reaction, problem won't solve itself, you gotta realize it exists at first. Making small things like respecting people personal space and their choice not to like FiM is a good start. It won't change a world, but definitely people who'll meet you will have a chance of meeting a good brony and not a rabid fan
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I never once tried to justify their actions. What I said was that just because they exist doesn't mean anything about the rest of the fans. And how do you figure rabid bronies are a "big part" of the fandom? I figure them at less than 5% based on the fact that I've maybe seen one or two EVER... and I interact with a lot of bronies.
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Go and visit EQD. This site is like a hive of rabid bronies. Even worse, such sites (plus derpybooroo and other /mlp/memebased sites) in a way dictate some tendencies in this fandom. Thanks Seth, now everybody likes Trixie I don't or at least associate her with that terrible place
5%? Really? More like 40-60% of active fandom. People who never visit the Internet and don't talk about MLP most of time don't count. People dislike bronies. But majority of people dislike bronies for obnoxious behaviour: no, it's not okay to post pony memes everywhere (it's called spam, guys), no, some people will never join the herd (may I show you some terrible pony memes and even art about "joining the herd or else"?), no, FiM is not the best cartoon of all time TF
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Whoah... you're saying that proof that bronies are too rabid is a website made for bronies? That would be like going to a sports bar on Superbowl day and complainging about all the loud football fans. Brony cons, forums, and other specific bronie places are not examples of rabid bronies.
I've maybe seen someone post pony related stuff for no reason once or twice ever. Where are you seeing this?
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Pffft, where else to go look for? We're talking about bronies, and these place exist for bronies only. You won't look for a wild horse in a city, you go to their natural homes :3
Youtube. Just. Youtube. Ugh. They're worse than Pewdiepie fans. If I see another "Thumbs up if you came here because of ponies"... and funny enough even totally not MLP related forums like Bioware.ru and social.bioware.com. The site about Bioware games... not the best idea to post Pinkie Pie gifs in a thread about Dragon Age 2 discussion. Hmph, admins even had to make a rule that posting or even mentioning ponies in any thread but FiM thread is forbidden - haters and rabid fans fight like there's no tomorrow and the whole threads look like mess. Just like ME3 endings discussion usually ends...
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I agree with you so much...
Fuck the pewdiepie fans
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Ugh, of course liking Pewdiepie is not a sin or a crime, but why can't I say that I don't like PewDiepie without getting hate mail? And let's not recall how they can't stand a single bit of critique
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True, I know a guy who likes pewdiepie and he can't seem to understand why I find his high pitched squeals annoying
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Me too. A friend of mine even got hate message for stating that she didn't like him a one bit
Damn it, I prefer Let's players who can intelligently discuss the game, its plot and lore and sincerely get scared. Shame lots of them start to imitate PDP to get more followers...
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I'm a metal fan and get shit for it but I don't really care. I still listen to it and don't hate people who don't.
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Well, youtube commentors are obnoxious in general, brony or not, but if you spend a lot of time there, I might be able to see why you'd think that way.
The other sites you mentioned skew to a younger demographic. The most annoying fans would be the younger ones on average, just like the rude players in FPS games.
It sounds like you're just getting a skewed view. That's no justification for acting like it's a "big problem". It's just not.
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Hn? Nah, most of people who go to EQD and alike sites are about 20-25 years old and older. Most go to universities, colleges, some work, can afford buying lots of expensive fanmade stuff. Besides, age? Let's quote LF: "You can be a 10-year-old with the maturity of a 15-year-old, and you can be a 35-year-old with the maturity of a 15-year-old"
Skewed? So you'll ignore any bad thing about this fandom and concentrate only on the good one and I'm biased? Well, ignorance is bliss I guess. People won't stop sending death threats to Yamino, spam ponies in place ponies do not belong to, believe that watching a show for little girls give them some superiority over ones who don't and insult anybody who dislikes their waifu Fluttershy (ugh, that girl, she's terrible) no matter how much you want to believe it to be a good example of a fandom with only 5% of rabid fans
There are good people, obviously. But ignoring the dark side is not a solution, it never is. Bronies have a bad reputation, and for a big part, they deserve. Except that "guys shouldn't watch girly shows" part of course. That's stupid, as a TF fangirl I agree
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"Skewed? So you'll ignore any bad thing about this fandom and concentrate only on the good one and I'm biased?"
Whoah.. whoah.. Why are you making rude accusations? I said that the things that happen on brony sites are not usable examples of "obnoxious or extreme fans". No matter what they do, if it's in dedicated brony areas, who has the right to complain?
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So being a brony in a brony dedicated area somehow justifies rape jokes, racist remarks, death threats, bullying and bothering the crew of FiM? What a great example of a fandom
Let me get this straight, missy. No fandom is perfect. The only example of a good fandom is a fandom of Math. And only because it doesn't exist. Probably. In this "art" piece you try to convince people that bronies are cool guys who are simply misunderstood. You do not use any factual information, you do not use statistics, real life examples. You completely ignore any negative information and try to make bronies look better than they are becaus obviously experience of thousands of people who really didn't enjoy their encounters with bronies does not matter as you never met a bad brony before. Your point of view is completely subjective and mostly relies on their low-self-esteem and attempts to feel better about themselves by flattering them and yourself
This is a truly misleading information, in fact, it's almost a crime for a research work to ignore bits of information just because you do not like or believe in them. If you want to show the truth, you count every sinner and every saint, you listen to people, you gather information and make objective summary. And not propaganda "we're good, we're misunderstood, you're meanies!"
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No, what I meant was that they may be extreme and wrong, but they're still not bothering anyone else. People have the right to be insensitive jerks as long as they do it in private and don't bother anyone else.
"You completely ignore any negative information and try to make bronies look better than they are "
Stop that. All I've done is refused to accept your claim because you haven't supplied enough evidence or logic to support it. If you can't stop accusing me falsely of being closed minded and ignorant, we're done here. Stick to the point, not ad hominem attacks.
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If it was all private, nobody would complain. People complain because they're tired of bronies spamming MLP everywhere and being jerks
I just highlight the fact: your work has no objective truth in it. Only subjective opinions. And no proofs as well. Especially it is ridiculous to claim that rabid bronies are 5% of fandom. Truly unbelievable
Need facts? I've got lots of them
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Want more :3?
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"bronies spamming MLP everywhere and being jerks"
I never claimed this doesn't happen, just that it's not prevalent enough to justify anyone making broad claims about the fanbase.
My 5% guess is based on logic, not evidence I admit, but I don't believe that means it's that wrong. Several sources online measure brony fandom in the millions. If even 5% of those were as bad as you claim, it would be a measureable societal menace probably requiring a new law or police action.
Yes, I'm aware of several of the problems you linked, but again, you're talking about a startlingly small set of people. For example, the first one is the complaint of one person about a few individuals at a convention of hundreds or thousands.
I've communicated with hundreds of bronies over the course of the last several years and they were on average, nicer, kinder, and more respectful than average people.
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"I never claimed this doesn't happen, just that it's not prevalent enough to justify anyone making broad claims about the fanbase."
Opinions are thing. Deal with it :3
"My 5% guess is based on logic, not evidence I admit, but I don't believe that means it's that wrong. Several sources online measure brony fandom in the millions. If even 5% of those were as bad as you claim, it would be a measureable societal menace probably requiring a new law or police action."
It is one illogical kind of logic. No proof, only opinion and silly attempt to make bronies look perfect
It's Brony Documentary all over again *facepalm*
"Yes, I'm aware of several of the problems you linked, but again, you're talking about a startlingly small set of people. For example, the first one is the complaint of one person about a few individuals at a convention of hundreds or thousands."
Apparently you think that making sexist jokes is okay, and just because this is a one person (btw, did you forget the cast who came to the con? They were not paid for this in the end) it makes it okay for bronies to bully her. Huh wht a jerk you are
"I've communicated with hundreds of bronies over the course of the last several years and they were on average, nicer, kinder, and more respectful than average people."
Several? FiM fandom is only 4 years old.
And from my experience can say that bronies are jerker, creepier and more hypocrite than the average people. Let's compete with our personal experience and no facts, that's so mature :3
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I'm really having trouble believing that you're being serious. Where did I ever claim anything even close to "bronies are perfect" or that I condone any kind of sexism?
"And from my experience can say that bronies are jerker, creepier and more hypocrite than the average people."
And if you had in-depth and continued conversations and relations with these people over the course of years, maybe your experience would be relevant. And if you could somehow expand that experience to a vast, vast population, that would be relevant. But you already told me they were "jerks" so I'm going to assume you don't spend any time with them, don't talk to them or continue any kind of relationship with them.
So yes, my experience is relevant and yours isn't. Unless you can solve those obvious logical flaws.
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