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Bjarru In reply to ??? [2013-05-26 18:02:32 +0000 UTC]

"Where did I ever claim anything even close to "bronies are perfect""
№5 Reread your own work. A myth? Hardly. And yes, people have a right to be annoyed by such fans

"And if you had in-depth and continued conversations and relations with these people over the course of years, maybe your experience would be relevant. And if you could somehow expand that experience to a vast, vast population, that would be relevant. But you already told me they were "jerks" so I'm going to assume you don't spend any time with them, don't talk to them or continue any kind of relationship with them.

So yes, my experience is relevant and yours isn't. Unless you can solve those obvious logical flaws."
Guy, I am a MLP fan. Damnit, I have another account just for MLP art. But do I justify bronies and try to look them good though they're not? No, because they don't deserve it. Did I have in-depth and continued conservation with bronies? Yes, I did. EQD. deviantart, Youtube, Skype, forums and Tumblr. Places where real people hang out with each other. Places relevant and proofable. And just because you make yourself look like a heartless fool by completely ignoring cases of people harassed by bronies and saying that people can't hate bronies even if they were bullied by them it doesn't mean I will
Pfffft, how hypocritical and proud of yourself you are. Obviously your experience is much more relevant than experience of people, who met jerkish bronies. Because oh my God - jerkish bronies don't exist! They're myth! Which means anybody's opinion rather that yours is not relevant. Damn, I must admit, you deserve a place on FknoMLP blog or Mylittlebronyidiocy

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Nimaru In reply to Bjarru [2013-05-27 20:51:01 +0000 UTC]

I don't ignore the dark. Please stop claiming that. How many times and in how many ways must I say this? I KNOW there are bad fans out there. I said it in my work "ALMOST a myth", I said it to you. They're out there. They're wrong. They're annoying. But they're a minority. If your experience has been with mostly annoying ones, that is life I suppose. I'm not going to pretend that you're wrong... I believe you.

But unless you do in-depth research of some kind or present some kind of rock-solid logic that proves that bronies are on average more annoying than any other fan of any other thing, why should I believe you? In all things in all of history, there are fanbases and within them, some annoying fans. The annoying ones are louder and easier to see so they easily give people a bad impression of the whole, but I can't think of a single thing where the majority of fans are bad.

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Bjarru In reply to Nimaru [2013-05-28 14:12:54 +0000 UTC]

It's not almost a myth (since technically, semantic meaning of "almost" means that it's only less than 10% true. Which is false for any kind of fandom). It's a truth. Sad, bitter truth

You want analysis - you get analysis. Reasons why bronies are more annoying than most of other fandom supporters (excluding PDP, Loki and Homestuck fans):
1) It's a very big fandom. And more people get involved - more bad people get involved. As a result, there is just no place where you can rest from ponies - bronies are everywhere. It's problem of every big fandom though. But all those fandoms are past their top popularity, meaning that they're not as annoying anymore. FiM is still on the top and until it ends, there is no way you can escape it's hoofy grasp
2) Majority of bronies contain 18-30 years old men. That part of population which is less subtle and modest than older men or women. Not as bad as teenagers though. Rude jokes, cursing, innuendos - it's all very common for this part of population. As a result, the most fansites aren't child-friendly at all. And encounters with such guys... Mind you, I don't want to sound sexist, but majority of guys in such age kind of lack manners
3)As any fandom, bronydom has its own big places where fans gather. These places dictate tendencies, trends, new ships, popular characters etc. Mostly people come there to have fun with other fans, read news and look for new art or music. Pokemon fandom has Serebii, Bubapedia etc. Vocaloid has a kind of Japanese site where new projects and video come out. The problem with brony sites? They're much more biased than the others. Serebii and other alike sites do not post personal information, opinions and stuff. They simply state the news, comment on good fan works and speculations. There are forums, but they're strictly controlled by rules which are to be followed. Meaning that it doesn't matter if you like pokeshipping like the majority of fanbase does, being an ass to other shippers is not ok. Go to EQD and try to say something nasty about Fluttershy or say that you like older gens and tired of unfair bashing, you'll get hammered and mods will do nothing, because they agree. They let their personal opinions to be above the rules, because, what the hey - if fandom loves Fluttershy, everybody gotta love Fluttershy! And if some brony assault you for not liking her - it's your own fault
4)The false feeling of superiority. No, you're not the first guys to like a girls show. You're not better than the other just because you break gender stereotypes (you don't really.. cause "girly" is still used as an insult by plenty of bronies). Plenty of other fandom have such fans: Transformers has fangirls, Sailor Moon has fanboys, Titanic is liked by both genders, "Rugrats" is liked by all ages. Yet bronies demand an praise for liking sth which is not aimed at them. If bronies didn't always remind people of how special they are, people would not really hate them that much. You like a show about colourful ponies? Great, just like it and don't brag about it. People don't like braggers. You're like those false "gamer girls" who demand attention for playing computer games. Nice gamer girls don't brag about it, they simply play thee damn games. Modesty is a virtue, bronies don't know a thing about it
5)Yeah, you got ridiculed for liking a show for little girls. But don't you ever compare yourself to homosexual and transexual people. They got it hard: tortured, murdered, hated. You? Simply disliked or joked about. All those "let's start a project against bullying bronies" protests... People, does any country has laws against bronies? Or even some school or university? No. Besides, transformers fangirls, pokemon fans and other cartoon followers get ridiculed as well. Do they pose themselves as victims or brag about how X saved their lives from depression etc? Mostly no, well, not in such big amounts
6)Fluttershy fans. Fluttershy fucking fantards. Also. Derpy. And Trixie. Oh my God, the only time I met such rabid worshipping of a cartoon character was Loki fandom
7)The show isn't about bronies. No other fandom is so demanding or whined liek thsi when their headcanon gets ruined (except Homestuck, maybe?). Bronies whine, send letters to crew etc. Vinyl's eyes are not red? THE END IS NEAR! Y gets a LI/isn't bi/lesbi/doesn't date X? THE END IS NEAR! The headcanon is smashed by canon? THE END IS NEAR! No other fandom pays so much attention to headcanon, valuing them over canon. Yes, Fluttermac shippers, I'm looking right at you
Oh, that's it for now

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Nimaru In reply to Bjarru [2013-05-29 00:20:54 +0000 UTC]

1) "bronies are everywhere"

I get that this annoying... I completely empathize... but it IS a personal problem. I hate king of the hill and when it was popular, it bothered me, but I didn't hold it against the fans. They weren't having fun to spite me after all

2) "Majority of bronies contain 18-30 years old men. That part of population which is less subtle and modest than older men or women"

Actually, this is a very good point... one I hadn't considered before. I too believe that the most annoying segment of the population tends to be in this age and sex group. As you said, the more fans, the more annoying there will be. I still don't think this can or should be expanded to the rest of the bronies, but it does suggest that there would be a higher percentage of annoying people just based on age/sex. I'll keep thinking about it.

3) Your point about brony sites is one I'll have to bow out of. I only know Reddit and here where your point doesn't apply. But I couldn't honestly make any claims about the others since I don't hang out those places.

4) "The false feeling of superiority."

This one I have to reject entirely. It doesn't apply to any bronies I know or have talked to for any length of time. And it certainly doesn't apply to me considering how I just posted an entire poster about how bronies aren't any different than other fans (not superior, not worse). Maybe it pertains to some or even most of the ones you see, but I could easily disprove this in an hour or less by having you post a question to Reddit's brony group. There are 50,000 subscribers there so a pretty good sampling.

5)Again, I don't know what you're talking about. Did I make that claim? Even if I did, why is it wrong? You are aware that many people have been assumed to be gay for liking the show and then treated the same as if they WERE? There have been cases of people who got attacked, kicked out of their house, encouraged to commit suicide etc. Obviously average bronies don't face the same depth and intensity of hatred and ignorance as people who are gay, but that doesn't mean it's not on the same spectrum and that it's ok for anyone to be hateful bigots just because they do it online.

6) Rabid fans are everywhere. Team Jacob? Sports fans?

7) Some bronies whine. Some send deaththreats. Some. Some of them. Just some.

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Bjarru In reply to Nimaru [2013-05-29 13:14:18 +0000 UTC]

4)Have you watched "Meet the Bronies" documentary? It's a horrible documentary. And pretty much represents PoV of the sites such as EQD and majority of active fans who can be met on the Internet. Watching a show for little girls - if men watch it, they're so special, they break gender stereotypes, they're awesome. Wait, what? They are not. Watching sth which was not made for you does not make you special or awesome. You are not the first people to break gender stereotypes. TFs fangirls have been doing it since 80es. Same goes to Rugrats fans and Sailormoon fanboys. You are no special and you do not deserve a special treatment. Just watch the show and stop bragging about how awesome bronies are, then people will become much more tolerating, nobody likes show offs

5)Oookay, you almost made me agree with you... and suddenly THIS. Man, homosexual people have been oppressed since the beginning of humanity. There are laws that forbid such relationships, these are laws to punish such people - torture, murder, banish. You make a law which allows them to marry each other - and people start riots. There is no possibly morally right to compare bronies to bi and gays. Besides, these cases are actually only supporting the point: guys were blamed because parents thought they were gay, not because they liked ponies (logic: likes ponies? => likes men>). Suicide... Such cases are rare, and quite often exaggerated, usually depend on kind of family (you know, conservators, argh), it's not like there is some official movement against bronies, is there? I was bullied as kid for being a pokefan because hating pokemon became popular after Porygon accident... but, you know, still not as bad as gays suffered. And all those fables about FiM saving people from depression or suicide to show how great our community and cartoon is (it's very laughable, really): depression is a psychological disorder which can be only cured with help of professionals. No cartoon can cure a depression, it only gives a slight mood boost or you don't really have a depression. I once had a depression and thought that the Slayers helped me to cope with it, nowadays while analysing those events, I understood that the anime only made everything worse: instead of looking for help I only closed myself from my family. It was a big mistake, no matter how awesome that anime is. Same with FiM, it's a good cartoon, but if a colourful talking horse can "cure" you from depression - you don't have a depression, you're just upset

6)Team Jacob... funny thing you say, it's just... I mean, everybody complain about Twilight fans but I've never met a single rabid one. In fact, I know only 3 Twilight fans, no more... They're like Big Foots, everybody talks about, nobody has seen... Anyway, that's beyond the point. Yeah, rabid fans are the problem but due to the size of brony community they're crawling everywhere. Until G4 becomes less popular, they will be a problem. Then they will be replaced by some other problem though...

7)Eh, EQD and DB often strengthen the power of whining - you know, when you're part of a herd, you act like other sheep. It's kind of an instinct, and fandom stars like Seth only make things worse: people like following movements, the leader of those brony movements usually are jerks, who don't think ahead about consequences. And deaththreats... okay, this is beyond evil, I don't recall pokemon fans sending death threats to Nintendo because new gen "sucks", or people like Yelling at Cats being fandom stars... Thank God, I don't

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Nimaru In reply to Bjarru [2013-05-29 15:18:01 +0000 UTC]

4: You just finished saying the doc was bad (which I agree) so if it suggests that bronies are special, what difference does it make? It's a bad doc.

5: It's so very, very wrong to say "because my pain is greater, yours is irrelevant". That's like telling a kid who's being bullied to suck it up because at least he's never had to be in a war. I realize a lot of people think this way and I probably can't change your mind, but I won't budge on this. People's struggles aren't immediately invalidated just because others have it worse.

6: I don't disagree with anything you said. Popular fandoms have annoying fans who everyone hates until the popularity wanes... and is replaced by something else.

7: I don't think you've made a fair assessment of EQd. The people who RUN the site are always condemning idiots and calling for people to act mature. And a fair portion of commenters do too from what I've seen. What you're describing sounds more like 4chan to me.

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Bjarru In reply to Nimaru [2013-05-29 15:46:41 +0000 UTC]

4. It's a popular Doc. Bronies love it, they worship it. Even LF worked on it. What a disgrace

5. Everyone's pain is relevant. But some people have suffered much worse than the others. Comparing being mocked to being punched is simply jerkish. If you compare yourself to the generations of people bullied, tortured and murdered - you simply insult their memory

7. They are idiots themselves. They approve witch hunt against Fluttershy haters or people who don't like her, they approve of older gens hate and often themselves act like immature kids. And because they're admind, if you're older gen fan or dislike a popular pony, ship people will bully you and admins will ignore it [link] [link] [link] [link] ([link] -> [link]

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Nimaru In reply to Bjarru [2013-05-29 19:34:47 +0000 UTC]

4. I've never heard this... Every brony I know only talks about what a poor documentary it was. I don't think I've heard someone defend it even once.

5. Obviously some suffer far more. But if someone had never in their life felt pain, the one who stubs their toe can better understand the one who broke their foot. Likewise, I can better understand the issues that women, people of color, and homosexuals face because of my experience being a brony. NO it's NOT the same degree, but it is in the same spectrum. And it's something I'd never faced before this.

7. How do your tumblr links prove anything about the people who RUN Eqd? The one post on EQd seems to support what you're saying a little, but I would need to see the actual posts and comments to understand it in context. Maybe she really is a hater? So then what is the problem with the article? Once again, we already agreed there are idiots in the fandom and annoying people who take it too far. It just sounds like you spend time on websites where they gather for some reason. If you are a brony and want a better experience, try this: [link]

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Bjarru In reply to Nimaru [2013-05-29 20:00:00 +0000 UTC]

4. Folk on Twitter and EQD do, though, it indeed has got quite mixed reviews. Shame that the author got so much money from donators (300.000$?) but made such a low quality product

5. It's still quite selfish. Don't compare yourself to people who have suffered like this. As my mom says, you just will never understand the pain of loss or hatred until you actually suffer from it. Bronies are not oppressed, they are ridiculed. But so are nerds, fangirls of movies like Twilight or singers like Bieber, bideo game players, bookworms. We are not oppressed, we are just joked about. Those other guys have been hunted for thousands of years. We? how old is bronydom? 4 years? Pokemon fandom? Eh, 20-25? It just not the same, never will be

7. Those posts are not deleted, those people are not banned. They're praised by bronies, they're praised or simply ignored by admins. If you're admin then it's your responsibility to make sure everyone follow the Rule, and flamming people is generally against the rule. Those admins only praise such attitude when they write terrible things about poor old gens or Fluttershy haters. This is unacceptable and immature
A problem? You seem not to realise what power such sites hold - they do control people's minds. They do influence the fandom. Creating such Call Out journals is pretty much against the law and morality - they can use their popularity to make people hate sb they don't like. And you think it is acceptable for a brony community? Even if sb is a hater - as long as they hurt nobody it is fine. People are allowed to have opinions
EQD is the centre of bronydom. Without it the fandom wouldn't be the same. Besides, there are always fresh news and nice fanart
And the girl with Treecko on avatar is me. That was one nasty fight against older-gen-hater. Calling me a older-gen-apologist like I'm some raper supporter was really rude. Jerks

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Nimaru In reply to Bjarru [2013-05-29 20:27:48 +0000 UTC]

5. Ridiculed vs. oppressed. Ok. I can accept that. However, that doesn't change the fact that I understand their struggles more now than I did before.

7. Honestly, I don't know any community that is effective at policing itself... I too tend to hold them accountable for it though I do understand that EQd has fairly few people who run it. I believe that improved controls or mechanical functions could solve some of the problems. As for the specific posts you refer to, I really would need to see the originals. Context can completely change the meaning. For example, an old Deviantart post that people freaked about about with RD as an angel. The artist meant it as a commentary about how some bronies take it too far, but everyone flipped like the artist was the one who felt that way.

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Bjarru In reply to Nimaru [2013-05-29 20:55:11 +0000 UTC]

5. Go and join any kind of fandom connected to unpopular ideas: you'll understand more. Bronydom is not the best or worse example, it's an average one, not better than TF or Pokemon

7. It's not just about community Sites have rules, EQD, dA, DB, etc. The problem is - the admins don't care. Jerkish attitude towards older gens, people who don't support popular opinions is considered to be an acceptable thing. This is wrong. You won't see such thing on Serebii or tfwiki but in brony community it is normal. Even on such big sites as EQD. It is ridiculous: nobody deserves to be bullied just because they don't like Fluttershy or Derpy, yet go to any brony site - people will threaten you if you dislike those imaginary characters just because "Nobody makes Fluttershy cry" (c) EQD, front page, admins. Bronycurious also noted that sb threatened to punch him in the face just because he mentioned his dislike of FS. People, only Loki fandom is that hardcore, only they. Even Snape can get a share of hate, and on majort of HP sites, it's okay to hate Snape, it's not against some imaginary rules (though fangirls will be angry, but admins will act responsibly)
As for the context, it happened almost a year ago. Honestly, you may not believe that, but I hang out on EQD quite often and such attitude is a norm there. Like it, or not

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Nimaru In reply to Bjarru [2013-05-30 04:04:48 +0000 UTC]

Correct. Nobody should be bullied ever about anything.

That said, I can't really debate the EQd experience, but it seems unlikely that it's that bad all the time or even most of the time. How would the site survive if it were?

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Bjarru In reply to Nimaru [2013-05-30 15:03:50 +0000 UTC]

Pffft, because bronies live there? They're okay wit such stuff, cause, you know, fuck older gens lovers or Fluttersy haters
The nastier administration is, the longer site lives - sad rule, but common. Wen nasty people gather in one place without supervision, the place won't collapse - don't believe Disney movies - as rule they start a new government or business sth like this

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Nimaru In reply to Bjarru [2013-05-30 16:27:51 +0000 UTC]

NIGHTLY ROUNDUP (125 comments)

Found one that might be negative, but might have just been teasing about Sethisto not having a plan.
Many are immature, but most are playful. Quite a few comments about the page header and discussion about G1 ponies and changes in the new series. A comment about chuck-e-cheese and a football scandal for some reason.

RD CUTOUT (49 comments)

One comment hinting at the "best pony" wars. Something that most people treat as a game rather than something serious from what I can see.

TWILIGHT CUTOUT (54 comments)

Nothing of note found.

CONVENTION COMPILATION (110 comments)

In this thread, five or more of the most common avatars I've noticed out themselves as teens living with their parents.

ANTHROPOLOGY SOMETHING (132 comments)

Nothing of note

COMIC SET: HULK ETC (66 comments)

A few comments complaining about the way Twilight has been portrayed recently.

THANK YOU CARD (232 comments)

Several comments wishing that they hadn't included NSFW content in the card.
One fight because someone complained about the NSFW content and someone else got annoyed by it, but they worked it out quick enough. Some people saying the same things I do: that the bad community of /mlp/ on 4chan is really the fault of a few loud and annoying ones

A comment like yours that says that 4chan is a festering hole of bullying and doesn't deserve any attention. Several commenters defending 4chan or at least calling out the commenter for attacking Lauren over it.

SEAWINKLE/LAUGHTER (22 comments)

Nothing of note

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That wasn't all of them, but I have to do other things now so that's enough. 8 posts, almost 700 comments and I found ONE negative one. But the people who answered didn't bully or harass, they were reasonable. Not one piece of evidence to support your claim. In fact, based on this evidence, my original claim of 5% seems to be far more likely.

Yes, I would need a sample set much larger to make solid claims like that, but unless they were having a REALLY off day, yours is definitely disproven. EQd is not as bad as you make it out to be.

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Bjarru In reply to Nimaru [2013-05-31 13:18:34 +0000 UTC]

You... analysed Nightly roundups? And cutout topics? Next thin you do is analysing bronies discussing weather o_o
I gave you links already :3 No derpygate unfortunately - I wasn't involved in that - but Alicorn drama, EQG drama, Fluttershy worship - read those. Uh, trying to have an opinion in this fandom - truly a sin in bronies' eyes

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Nimaru In reply to Bjarru [2013-05-30 15:24:36 +0000 UTC]

Very well. I'll put it to the test. I'm going to go to the EQd front page and read every visible article and all comments. Based on your supposition, I found far more than 50% comments to be negative, demeaning, or otherwise vile.

You've tried to tell me from the beginning that bronies are on average annoying, or at the very least on EQd they are. So I should most definitely find that to be the case without trying too hard right?

I will report back.

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Bjarru In reply to Nimaru [2013-05-30 15:35:16 +0000 UTC]

Pffft, you do like putting words in my mouth, don't you? I referred to the approved hate towards new changes, old gens, Fluttersy/Trixie/Derpy/popship dislikers. I never said they fight each other Why would they fight each other anyway? Go ahead, but if you don't mind making call out journals, then I doubt you'll find their behaviour embarrassing or rude. I'd recommend to read posts about Twilicorn, Derpy return and anything connected to the old gens - there they shine like black holes in the outer space

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Nimaru In reply to Bjarru [2013-05-30 17:14:17 +0000 UTC]

Stop assuming malicious intent. I wasn't "putting words in your mouth", what I described is what I understood of your position. If that was my misunderstanding, then I apologize.

Clearly certain controversial issues are going to make people freak out, but that doesn't mean the hate is approved. Sometimes I let my kids fight it out because I can't control them all the time. The mods certainly can't. Can you show me anything that shows the mods support hate, fighting, or anything bad like that at all? I just find that so very hard to believe.

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Bjarru In reply to Nimaru [2013-05-31 13:15:18 +0000 UTC]

G3 hate, Fluttershy dislikers hate, people ho don't like FiM hate - Seth supports of this stuff, and even publishes nazi art from time to time

Easily, not sure why you missed such important stuff as news: drawstuff and all those nightly roundups are mostly peaceful, because nothing happens there, they're hardly commented
[link] (feminists got bashed even though the article was agreeing with the freak out) [link] (poor Meghan) [link] (shitstorm, shitstorm) [link] (Retrodash, Microsper comment sections, bronies are terrible) and infamous Twilicorn drama ([link] [link]

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Nimaru In reply to Bjarru [2013-05-31 15:43:13 +0000 UTC]

Can you spell out for me what the problem is with the first link? Yes, some commenters are bashing feminists and some are defending it. Seems like normal back and forth conversation to me. It's certainly not one-sided.

link2 still shows no bias or issue as far as the EQd staff is concerned. Skimming through the comments shows no issues that I can see.

post3 no issue. Normal comments. Some people concerned, some optimistic, most confused. None over-the top angry, hateful, or anything that I could find easily.

post4: Sethisto posts an opinion in this one. Nothing out of bounds. Many comments keeping the "I kill you for hurting fluttershy" meme alive. Obviously no one is serious and no one is actually attacking each other over this.

As for the Tilicorn drama; yes some people were way upset about it and I understand that point of view even if I don't agree with it. It brought out the inner whiner in a lot of people and was ugly all around since the most vocal immature people surfaced en-masse.

But you claimed that EQd was a den of bullying and proof that bronies on average (more than 50%) were annoying or over-the-top. You claimed that EQd also condoned and participated in this kind of behavior. I've yet to see any evidence of either of these claims. Not just insufficient evidence, but ANY (unless you count the "OMG I QUIT PONIES" folks).

Do you really believe the casual conversations you pointed me to to mean there's something wrong with those people? They're fans with opinions talking on a dedicated fan site about their fandom. Some people are upset and say so, but when there's conversation, it's without exception (that I've seen) fairly polite and balanced. I didn't see a single flame war or conversation that descended to petty insults. Certainly no bullying. No rallies for raids or other inappropriate behavior.

Bjarru... where is the smoking gun? And at this point, after all the evidence I've seen, both mine and yours, how is your claim already not disproven even if you COULD find something now? If you have to try that hard, it's definitely not 50% or more of the bronies 50% or more of the time.

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Bjarru In reply to Nimaru [2013-05-31 16:13:23 +0000 UTC]

*facepalm*
You're impossible. You just rejects the reality and live in your perfect brony world where everybody is friendly, loving and tolerating. What a shame, it's a lie

1.FiM is a feminist show, LF is a feminist, the feminists of the article support the fandom yet they're bashed just because they're feminists. There are people who support the girls, but the amoung of sexism in this fandom is simply astonishing

2. ...What? Guy, you've got some problems, if such a shitstorm is normal in your opinion, if acting like a bunch of spoiled brats is okay in your opinion (funny [link] . Bronies are pissing their pants because Hasbro creates a spin-off, ugh. Even TF fandom looks relatively sane, and we created "RUINED FOREVER11!" meme

3. It's not a meme. People are serious. Telling sb to set themselves on fire because they don't feel sorry to Fluttershy is bullshit. And it's a common reaction in this fandom. It's a way too common reaction. If you're so blind that you can't notice this (one of the reasons bronies are hated) then you indeed live somewhere else o_o Fluttertards are the disease of this fandom. Besides, go and look at the video and comments - I've already told you that in the original ending she ran away crying. Bronies went mad and the ending was changed - it's just crazy, when fans of a stupid yellow horse fore sb into changing their art

4. 70% of posts on EQD were crying manchildren :"Bawww, Twilicorn, the end is neigh!". Really, you act less mature the the target audience. Forget about your stupid headcanon, they don't matter, they never did

I did ;D? No, I didn't. Quote me if I did. I said that bronies are more annoying tan the average people, because the brony fandom is full of hypocrites ("G3 is girly! What do you mean we can't wcth FiM because it'd made for girls, you sexist!") bragging about themselves ("we watch FiM, we're awesome!), enforcing stupid rules and popular headcanons (Fluttershy is queen, you're her bitch, Lyra is Bobon's girlfriend, Dinky is Derpy's daughter etc). EQD is one of the worst ases, because the admins don't care and can actually influence the flow of the fandom (No, Seth, I hate Trixie, thank you very much) and yet bronies still continue telling people tht they're awesome and friendly people. The thing is, if it was true, places like [link] [link] wouldn't exist, because there go people who suffered from bronies personally. Of course you'll dismiss thei experience, because apparently no fandom is perfect, except bronydom

Oh, also, what a cute brony [link]

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Nimaru In reply to Bjarru [2013-05-31 17:00:29 +0000 UTC]

But I have an idea. One I proposed before. One that might solve this once and for all.

Go to [link]

Post a (polite) text post to the following:

"I am a brony, but I believe the brony fandom is more obnoxious than average people. My evidence for this is the constant sexism and warmongering on Equestria Daily and Tumbler. What do you think?"

Or something like that.

There are 50,000 bronies that subscribe to that community. Why don't we just see for ourselves how immature and hateful they are. Put your money where your mouth is Bjarru.

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Bjarru In reply to Nimaru [2013-05-31 17:21:03 +0000 UTC]

Is this a threat? How mature... insulting a person just because they don't fall to these blatant lies :3

Hm, Reddedit - a place which does not matter and which does not influence the brony fandom - why would I go there? EQD and DB are the right places, this one is hardly. But let's try, it sounds like fun :3

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Nimaru In reply to Bjarru [2013-05-31 17:56:40 +0000 UTC]

Obviously it's not a threat. Stop that.

The reason you'd go there is because of what I said: there are 50 THOUSAND bronies there. A huge sample set by which you have the opportunity to prove your point. If you're right and the average brony is more obnoxious than the average person, then there should be a lot of hate, fighting, name-calling, angst, rudeness etc. Let's just see what you find.

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Bjarru In reply to Nimaru [2013-05-31 18:48:31 +0000 UTC]

It's reddit. The website which has strict rules, guidelines and which one is actually controlled. And not thanks to bronies. I guess some admins and moders can do their job, well done

Btw, done. I'm afraid I can't make another topic Too many down votes or sth
[link]

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Nimaru In reply to Bjarru [2013-05-31 20:17:58 +0000 UTC]

The admins and mods are volunteers only. And yes, they are bronies. Same as EQd.

If you wanted to get a good sampling, you really should have posted something more reasonable and less antagonistic. You could have made your point without attacking people, but even though you were, let's be real, kind of an ass about it they responded reasonably.

You're welcome to repeat this test as much as you want, the response will be the same.

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Bjarru In reply to Nimaru [2013-06-01 04:58:31 +0000 UTC]

Pfft, Reddit existed long before FiM, didn't it? The creators of it seem like wise people, knowing whom to hire to do the job. No reason to thank bronies for that

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Nimaru In reply to Bjarru [2013-05-31 16:49:59 +0000 UTC]

Everything you are claiming to be annoying and out of line is just fans being fans. It's the same of any fandom I've ever seen or heard of. Clearly you think people playing around or having serious discussions about show mechanics and direction is a problem and I don't.

I can't imagine how you could consider anything in those links to be cruel, abusive, or bullying. There's no mean-spiritededness anywhere in your examples. There's no directed hate. Yes, some people are a little over-dramatic, but towards the show, not each other.

I don't reject reality, I reject your claims because you completely and utterly failed to prove them in any way. Bronies are no more obnoxious or rude or wrong on average than any other fandom. And you have no evidence to support or even suggest otherwise.

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Bjarru In reply to Nimaru [2013-05-31 17:08:11 +0000 UTC]

Pffft, fans being fans is not an excuse. It never was and never will be

They tell guy to set himself on fire. Go on Youtube link and read the comments - either you can't read, or you ignore these facts on purpose - they're not joking, pal, they're seriously in love with an imaginary yellow talking horse - and they worship her. Everyone knows it, if you want to teject the truth - it's your problem, but bashing and bullying of Fluttershy dislikers won't stop. It's a shame she exist at all...

Just because you think that bullying, threatening and being an asshole is okay for a fan of the show doesn't mean that I've failed, it simply means that your idea of right and wrong justifies being an asshole. I gave you the proofs- Youtube links, EQD links, Tumblr link, DB screenshots - you ignore them, avoid answering to them or try to say tht it's okay - fans can do whatever they want - threaten Yamino, bully PurpleTinker - it's okay, they're fans. And you tried to prove your point of views by demonstrating Nightly Roundups. Next time you'll show me an official meeting or show episodes as proof of their innocence. You don't want to accept the truth - whatever, everybody has their own opinion. But you're wrong, I hate to say it, but Mulp was right after all

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Nimaru In reply to Bjarru [2013-05-31 17:59:41 +0000 UTC]

"bullying, threatening and being an asshole is okay"

Bullshit. This is the very opposite of everything I believe hence why I make these posters and why I spend hours and hours a week defending people from bullies and calling for people to be kind and understand... like I'm trying to do with you.

No one in any place you mentioned nor in any of your links suggested anything even close to "set yourself on fire". I also never saw anyone being "bashed" for disliking fluttershy. In fact, I'd be willing to perform an experiment to prove it. Just as you post to reddit, why don't I post a negative comment on EQd about fluttershy. You pick the the thread, I'll post the comment.

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Bjarru In reply to Nimaru [2013-05-31 18:47:12 +0000 UTC]

Try to make bronies kind and understanding. Me? I'm the victim of brony hatred, and just because people like you will never see the truth because admitting that you're no better than other people and fandoms is beyond your apabilities

Okay, now you made me laugh XD Did you even read those comment sections? Let me show you...
[link] [link] [link] [link] [link] It's just a cartoon horse, people, calm down
And a video. Listen for 10-20 second. That. is. not funny, bronies
[link]

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Nimaru In reply to Bjarru [2013-05-31 20:27:50 +0000 UTC]

How can you take this stuff seriously? It's a joke. A MEME. They're saying these things ironically. In fact, they may be on YOUR side and making snide commentary about how people take fluttershy hate too seriously.

You're right. If you can't see this as anything other than dead serious threats and hatred, then we will absolutely never agree. I can't imagine how you function on the Internet if you believe these things are real and can't see them for what they are: playing around or just commentary.

You think THAT is brony hate? You should see the posts encouraging bronies to commit suicide, the ones where they truly believe bronies are pedophiles or at least have molestation tendencies. The namecalling, insults, and bullying are extreme and real.

I'm torn between believing you really have interpretive problems and that you're trolling me, but because I'm dedicated to a policy of tolerance, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. If you really believe those are examples of ANYTHING negative at ALL, then we're just completely incompatible in our viewpoints.

But do all the research you want. Propose this viewpoint over and over. There's a reason everyone keeps disagreeing with you, why everyone tells you you're wrong.

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Bjarru In reply to Nimaru [2013-06-01 05:52:30 +0000 UTC]

You can't tell the difference between people being serious and joking - these guys are not joking. They're truly crazy over a cartoon character, they send death threats to people, insult them and mock them - all because sb doesn't like a talking yellow horse, yeah

Listen, your opinion doesn't matter to me. You will always be in denial - you're just this type of brony who sees people harassed by bronies and say that it's ok because they're fans and it's only "jokes"
Jokes... [link] [link] [link] [link] [link] [link] [link] [link] [link] [link] [link] [link]
[link] (people's personal eperience)

Who is everyone XD? People agree with me :3 Just because a couple of rabid bronies like you ignore the obvious truth doesn't change anything. After all you've already proved that you're lost cause
You can't say anything about Yamino, PurpleTinker, Fluttertards. You simply ignore these proofs because you can not justify them. That's quite sad
[link] [link] [link] - you

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sucieFue In reply to ??? [2013-05-21 16:16:49 +0000 UTC]

The Problem With Being A Human Being

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Joxthehedgehog In reply to ??? [2013-05-21 16:09:50 +0000 UTC]

This.

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Spartacists In reply to ??? [2013-05-21 14:39:44 +0000 UTC]

The problem with being a brony is that you are a brony

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Nimaru In reply to Spartacists [2013-05-21 15:44:44 +0000 UTC]

My my. Someone didn't read the poster.

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Spartacists In reply to Nimaru [2013-05-21 16:40:25 +0000 UTC]

True I didn't read much of the poster because the size was well small but the way I see it is that if ignorant people like me find something weird then it's probs best to keep it to yourself and other bronies. Otherwise it becomes an open target for criticism and judgement

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Painfulldarksoul In reply to Spartacists [2013-05-21 17:38:18 +0000 UTC]

If ignorant people like you, find something weird, it's their own problem and they should keep it to themselves. Or their on differences based opinion, will be judged and most wont care about it.

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Nimaru In reply to Spartacists [2013-05-21 16:50:24 +0000 UTC]

But bronies DO keep it to themselves. There are some loud and annoying fans, but that's the same in every fandom.

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Spartacists In reply to Nimaru [2013-05-21 17:29:29 +0000 UTC]

I guess, but what got you into Ponies in the first place?

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Nimaru In reply to Spartacists [2013-05-21 23:03:44 +0000 UTC]

This: [link]

I wrote that article to explain it.

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Spartacists In reply to Nimaru [2013-05-22 08:56:43 +0000 UTC]

Congrats on being a dad btw. Do you watch MLP with your kids?

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Nimaru In reply to Spartacists [2013-05-22 15:45:16 +0000 UTC]

Yes. All four of them. The oldest does artwork too and has sold a lot of t-shirts of this image: [link]

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Spartacists In reply to Nimaru [2013-05-22 16:22:01 +0000 UTC]

Aww that's cute, congrats again man

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Nimaru In reply to Spartacists [2013-05-22 17:48:13 +0000 UTC]

Thanks

Honestly, I'd probably watch most of these cartoons anyway as I'm a huge animation fan, but I probably wouldn't have been exposed to as many without the kids around.

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Beanzoboy In reply to Spartacists [2013-05-21 20:00:09 +0000 UTC]

What got me into Ponies was my older brother who is 25. He had been telling me to watch it for over a year, but I didn't want to watch a show for little girls. I had also seen many artists who make webcomics that I read post pictures of the ponies on their pages, but was adamantly refusing to watch the show for most of the reasons covered in this post. After over a year of that, on a day when I had just finished watching a show on Netflix and was trying to decide what to watch next, I saw that My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic had two seasons on it. I decided to finally give it a try, and after the first episode I was hooked. I've only been a fan for a few months, but the show was so engaging with great stories, lots of humor, and interesting characters, that it jumped quickly to my top 5 favorite animated shows of all time. It is tied with Avatar: The Last Airbender for the first place spot.

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Spartacists In reply to Beanzoboy [2013-05-21 21:51:40 +0000 UTC]

sorry I don't watch many cartoons so I can't relate but i think I understand what it's like to get hooked on a series (walking dead) however I'm still convinced it is a bad show and hardcore bronies still annoy me regardless of how they got hooked on the show

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Beanzoboy In reply to Spartacists [2013-05-22 04:48:02 +0000 UTC]

I do not watch The Walking Dead, but I know several people who do, and they act the same way about that show as I act about My Little Pony. Sometimes it's hard to get us to shut up about it, and we're always anticipating the next episodes. What I love about My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic is that it can be interesting and engaging WITHOUT someone having to die. Each episode has a great moral lesson that teaches about friendship (yes, that sounds childish, but everyone on the planet should have friends, so everyone can relate to it). Each pony has a different personality, and their personalities conflict constantly, but they are still able to be friends despite their differences. Since each pony is different, each person who watches the show can feel connected to a different pony who relates to them in some way. One giant problem I'm seeing is that people KNOW that My Little Pony was created for children, but they don't JUDGE it that way. They judge it based off the adult shows they watch and enjoy, even though it could NEVER be compared to shows like The Walking Dead, Dexter, CSI, NCIS, or any of a thousand other beloved shows. Super hardcore fans of ANYTHING can get annoying (Westboro Baptist Church, anyone?) but they should not be grouped together with other fans, just like WBC should not be grouped together with normal religious people. I'm not saying you HAVE to like it. I would just like people to give it an honest try with an open mind before they decide it's bad.

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Spartacists In reply to Beanzoboy [2013-05-22 08:49:28 +0000 UTC]

Yes hardcore fans are annoying on all sides but I think the difference between the walking dead and MLP is that where as MLP teaches acceptance and friendship (which is a good thing) the walking dead shows the harsh reality of survival and what it's like to live in a tough world. Unfortunately acceptance cannot be found in everyone (ie me) but in everyone we can find the will to survive. But I did watch an episode and I have to say, it's not really for me which I think is because of its themes

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