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Published: 2014-12-04 06:20:39 +0000 UTC; Views: 161612; Favourites: 492; Downloads: 51
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Yet another vent piece about both dA's policies and women being objectified in mass media.I cannot stress enough how frustrating it is seeing images on here with women having their butts hang out for all the world to see. A lot of the time when I go to report for not having a mature tag, the site won't allow me due to a closed case stating that "the reason was invalid" or "a member of the site has viewed this and decided that it does not need a mature tag." Really, dA? You won't allow for a man's penis to even be SEEN on here yet when women's boobies and asses flap in the breeze, it's completely okay? Also note the amount of inflation for both genders that don't have a mature tag (don't get me started. I've seen things that I wish to unsee....).
Now for mass media in general, I understand that it's been happening since the term "Sex Sells" emerged, but seeing it almost everywhere I look and go? It's a bit much. Examples would include book covers, movies & tv shows, social networks (specifically Tumblr), music videos, misleading thumbnails (i.e. YouTube), video games (i.e. armor upgrades in which she's basically wearing a metal bikini) and advertisements. Need I say more about how disgusting it is from a sensible woman's point of view?
Now if you women wanna flash your junk around, go to a club or a rave for that kind of stuff or seek a modeling profession for Playboy. This is an art website. Not a porn site. Take your fetishes elsewhere or keep them private. That's my advice.
EDIT: I'm well aware that there is a Mature Filter on dA. I forgot to add the part where I was also frustrated for the fact that some of these types of images bypass the Mature Filtering system and even if they have been reported, most of the time dA will accept the image as it is and say that it doesn't need a Mature Tag. I personally have my Mature Filter ON so you do not need to tell me set it up.
Also a while back, I made a post in the Suggestion Forums of the dA site so you can check it out here: support.deviantart.com/entries…
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I agree that nude can be an art, but I believe that there is a fine, gray but fine, line between art and pornography. It could be more just my opinion, this is an area that I cant judge on easily. it would all depend on the pose and the implied message. This is the kind of piece I would prefer fav.me/d8852au , most of the girl is in the whole picture, she is in a very good pose. Her long hair seems to balance the picture, with her large chest on the other side. There is only a hint of seduction, I cant exactly tell if she trying to be seductive or if its just her eyes and pose, I like that.
This, and no offense Im just comparing, I look at as just porn fav.me/d886k41 . The girls body is in the foreground with her genitallia being the main part of the picture. She is obviously looking in such a way as to want 'it'. It looks more like fap material than a nude posing.
quite a bit of of the stuff photoport makes I can actually like. Im not a real fan of nude, but I do believe that there is a difference between artistic nude and porn. However, since nude is nude, it can almost all be seen as porn if not interpreted right. thats my main problem with it.
To add to the OP, I would agree that anybody could take a picture of their butt and put a filter on it and call it art. But to make a picture that makes the nakedeness blend with the entire picture, rather than make it the centerpiece, is a real accomplishement.
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I can see your point when comparing and contrasting those two images. They both send a different message. But who's to say that pornographic content isn't an art form as well? It could very well be argued that work like the latter image you referenced of mine is pornographic art. I'm not saying it isn't pornographic in nature, but it should still be considered art.
Many people have their different tastes in art. Some people like artistic nude, where there are little to no sexual elements to the piece. Some people like erotic nude. Some people like both or neither. It's perfectly okay to have different tastes in artwork. But just because someone doesn't like one type of art doesn't mean it should automatically be ruled out as something that isn't art. If someone can throw paint on a canvas and call it abstract art, then drawing/photographing sexualized scenes can be called pornographic art. It's still art.
I do appreciate your lack of hostility. Many people would be immature about the matter, especially if they weren't in agreement. For that, you have my thanks.
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alright. I guess I can respect that someone does erotic nude as long as they know its basically porn. Since I am christian I try not to really defend any such thing that could be in violation with 'do not commit adultery' 'do not lust' etcetera. But I do think it should be a set definition that one side is artistic nude while the other is erotic nude. Artisitc nude has been a genre basically since western civilization started. erotic nude may or may or not have been but I somewhat feel that the two are trying to become one genre. While I can respect the artistic nude side, I dont like the erotic nude side for the fact that its objectifying the woman (thats obviously an opinion and a horribly hypocritical one since I am having troubles with using porn. LOL )
And no probs. I try to be as little offensive as possible, especially in minefields of topics like this.
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Erotic art has been around much longer than most care to realize. It doesn't really object women as much as it does glorify them.
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She just seems to be acting insecure to me. Like guys who overreact to male nudes to prove how straight they are.
But yeah, absolutely agree.
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I wouldn't call her insecure. Uncultured, maybe. She seems to have a bit of limited knowledge as far as art as a whole is concerned.
Unfortunately, it's something that should be stopped. So many people are quick to say sexualized images aren't art and it seriously makes NSFW artists feel like all the work and time they spent trying to do this was for naught. Which isn't okay at all.
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I am very well cultured, mind you and I do understand what art is as a whole. People have different views about it. That part I understand.
The point I'm trying to make has already been explained in an earlier comment I made to you.
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Yeah, this probably made a lot of great artists who drew naked people roll in their graves. Erotic art takes as much effort as regular high-quality art (and a lot of NSFW art is pretty well-done, even ones that are for the explicit purpose of being sexual. Which must take dedication.), and nobody likes getting shit on for drawing what they like.
"You do you, and I'll do me, and we won't do each other. Probably."
-Markiplier
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Truth. It's really uncomfortable around my friends who are not on dA.
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tbh i dont think the mature filter is needed unless its REALLY out there, like borderline pornographic
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I've seen plenty of penises on D.A.
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Yeah! I find it so anoying all these pictures of girls sexually displayed. Its hard to go on deviant art around my family cause they might have the wrong idea!
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I hear you. My filter is on as well and I still saw a butt photo right under this one in the news feed...i may be prudish but my personal definition of art is not nudity (others can have their own views). I understand art has a broad definition, but if you're going to allow vaginas, butts and female boobs (which have a more 'sexual' portrayal in today's society than a males, so just because guys have pecs doesn't make it the same thing) then they need to be fair. Someone should start a campaign of penises, man boobs (moobs) and man butts in the same"artistic form" to equal it out...and they shouldn't block it either. >_>
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The admins really don't give a shit about the rules. I've seen a bad art thief/troll stay on this site for about 5-ish years before being banned, and the original artists reported multiple times. I've also seen a bad admin here commit art theft and stay here. I remember I mentioned it on his page once and got blocked, and then some time later made a post mentioning him somewhere else and he unblocked me, replied to me, then blocked me again.
There is even a petition to get some of the toxic admins removed. DA has a bad rep when it comes to rule enforcement and admins. It's sad. That's why my friend left this site.
There is a difference between purposely using the human body as a form of art, and then just taking nude and or sexual photos of woman and touching them up with a bit of photoshop. I dislike these photos on DA, DA is not a porn site. However you can give the argument "well there is no definition for true art" so it all can't be taken down really, unless it is clear it violates the rules but eh the admins won't care much anyways.
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I Just find absolutely disgusting when even their vagina are exposed.And that happens A LOT. I mean, okay if there's people out there that like and produce such thing, but hey, i also LOVE reading yaoi (japanese comic gay porn for starters, don't google it X'D) but i don't think putting an yaoi on the front page, with body and dicks exposed would be cool, for anyone '-'
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I know what yaoi is, don't worry.
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Tell that to the millions of people posting shitty sonic OCs.
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Personally, I see the human body as an art form in itself... The natural, nude body is absolutely beautiful... NOT in a pornographic way though it can be taken that way... Honestly, I don't see how breasts or a butt have to be shown as mature... I mean, with the butt as long as there's no vagina showing, I don't see what's wrong... as for the breasts, I think if men should be allowed to walk shirtless, why can't women show breasts? They're the same thing, just men's are smaller. On a similar topic, I don't see why women should have to cover themselves when breast-feeding babies as well. It's not sexual, it's natural. People cover up because they're shameful of what's natural and that's not right.
Now, I'm not saying that the borderline porn on the site shouldn't be covered up, but the tasteful nudes I don't see why people care because it IS art.
And while I don't think it's right of you to tell people what to post or where to post it, I do believe you have the right to voice your opinion, just as I am voicing mine. But I also feel like you're trying to usher everyone back into a shameful stage where we're afraid to tell our children what's happening to their bodies because it's "wrong"... And that's not cool.
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I do agree with you when it comes to the human body. Yes, it is a marvelous thing and it is quite fascinating. If you focus on it as a whole, that's where the true beauty emerges.
My main focus is on the images here that borderline pornography that bypass the filtering system, the majority of them being females.
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Yeah, the borderline pornography needs to be mature and actually looked at... I mean, I absolutely love Deviantart, I've had like three or four accounts over the years but I've had a Deviantart since the 7th grade and I'm not a full grown adult... BUT, they let some things slide that they really shouldn't. Sometimes I feel that the site is too big and maybe they're understaffed... and then other times I feel they're just being lazy. Yes, I've seen pictures on Deviantart that should NOT be here... I've seen straight up erections with cum that the staff did not take down... So I agree with you on that. I guess, from reading this, I thought you were just saying that every nude bit needs to be labelled as mature, even the tasteful ones.
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Thank you for understanding and I apologize if I wasn't clear enough on where I personally stand. I myself love dA, but if policies are gonna be made, then they should be enforced. I, too, have thought that they were understaffed or lazy, but at this point who knows?
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You're welcome and not a problem, the internet can sometimes be really difficult to understand points being put across at times, haha. It's not like you have a tone of voice and you have to wait for a reply to answer any questions that might be asked -shrugs-
Yeah, Deviantart does need to enforce it's policies sometimes... Though I agree, you don't really know, haha
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These comments about people's opinions are truly bootiful.
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Oh boy, the irony: sta.sh/01ibfbe6c3r5 -.-
But yeah, that's completely not what art is about - what kind of deep, creative message do you deliver by showing your buttocks?
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I find that hilarious right there! Thank you for sharing!
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it is not ass... it is curves... u know...
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You have no right to tell people what they should draw. That`s all. And please, shut up. Thank you.
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Isn't Nylten talking about photos? if you DRAW an ass, okay... but just taking a photo?
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I actually am talking about any type of image that borderlines pornography that dA allows to bypass the mature filtering system.
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Oh I see. Yes, you're actually right, I have my "hide mature" filter on, still I see that stuff...
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There was a time when the nude form, both male and female, was celebrated in art for its beauty, whether its was individual or idealized. Heck, some of the most famous works of art in world history, The David, The Birth of Venus, all depict humanity all-natural! The nude form is not sexual in itself, its our modern world that's made it into something that MUST be considered sexual in any context, but I completely agree with you that something has to be done about the amount of borderline pornographic material cluttering up DA.
That being said however, neither you or I have any more right than the next person to tell another artist what he or she can or cannot display. To quote a certain frenchmen: "I do not agree with what you have to say, (or draw in this case) but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
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Thank you.
On a side note, I understand that I don't have a say in telling people what they should or shouldn't draw. That's not the point I'm trying to make in this picture.
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I know, I simply felt it had to be said. ... err, typed rather.
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if people wanna model then let them be, seriously
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And while I will agree that there are things that are pornographic, there are certain other things that you cannot say isn't art. A nude photo can still be art. Same with a drawing of a scantily clad woman. Trust me, I wish I could get rid of certain things (characters who clearly aren't gay rubbing their junk together...outside of clothes), but I cannot. I also think that a giant canvas that has only one color painted on the entire thing hanging in a museum is annoying as hell. But who am I to say it isn't art? You're young and angry, I get it. But there is just as much invalid as valid arguments here.
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You bring up a good point there. Maybe I am too young to understand and too "angry" to think straight about the point I'm trying to make with this image.
However, I know I'm not one to say what art is supposed to be and what shouldn't. That's not I'm trying to point out here. There is a fine line between artistic nudity and overly-sexualized/borderlining-pornographic nudity.
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My question to you would be this: do you get this mad when a guy unnecessarily takes his shirt off ion TV? What about Calvin Klein ads that have guys stuffed into small underwear? How about yogurt commercials where housewives are eye fucking John Stamos?
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First of all, I'm not even mad. Frustrated, yes, but not mad.
Second, the examples you gave are indeed ridiculous, though it's understandable that things like that are a play on the whole "Gaze" concept.
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These examples aren't ridiculous. Men are sexualized just as much as women, but no one wants to acknowledge that because it isn't their sex or whatever the reason. Being upset at a scantily clad woman but not a scantily clad man is sexist. Pure and simple. It's also hypocrisy.
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The ass isn't anything to be worried about, mainly because both genders have it. Dicks and boobs are another story.
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Why boobs? Men have boobs too they're just less fatty. Dicks and vaginas is what you should be saying.
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