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Nylten — Reverse Propaganda
Published: 2014-12-04 06:20:39 +0000 UTC; Views: 161610; Favourites: 492; Downloads: 51
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Yet another vent piece about both dA's policies and women being objectified in mass media.I cannot stress enough how frustrating it is seeing images on here with women having their butts hang out for all the world to see. A lot of the time when I go to report for not having a mature tag, the site won't allow me due to a closed case stating that "the reason was invalid" or "a member of the site has viewed this and decided that it does not need a mature tag." Really, dA? You won't allow for a man's penis to even be SEEN on here yet when women's boobies and asses flap in the breeze, it's completely okay? Also note the amount of inflation for both genders that don't have a mature tag (don't get me started. I've seen things that I wish to unsee....).
Now for mass media in general, I understand that it's been happening since the term "Sex Sells" emerged, but seeing it almost everywhere I look and go? It's a bit much. Examples would include book covers, movies & tv shows, social networks (specifically Tumblr), music videos, misleading thumbnails (i.e. YouTube), video games (i.e. armor upgrades in which she's basically wearing a metal bikini) and advertisements. Need I say more about how disgusting it is from a sensible woman's point of view?
Now if you women wanna flash your junk around, go to a club or a rave for that kind of stuff or seek a modeling profession for Playboy. This is an art website. Not a porn site. Take your fetishes elsewhere or keep them private. That's my advice.
EDIT: I'm well aware that there is a Mature Filter on dA. I forgot to add the part where I was also frustrated for the fact that some of these types of images bypass the Mature Filtering system and even if they have been reported, most of the time dA will accept the image as it is and say that it doesn't need a Mature Tag. I personally have my Mature Filter ON so you do not need to tell me set it up.
Also a while back, I made a post in the Suggestion Forums of the dA site so you can check it out here: support.deviantart.com/entries…
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the worse part IMO is that their are women taking these horrific nude pictures (horrific as in techinically bad)
and get away with it.
Sensible nude by all means yes, but i've even seen a photo of a threeway, whilst not showing any private parts, that's downright pornography and has no place here.
I'm not pro or anti feminists (both sides overdramatize too much for me, so i stick by myself) but DA is letting to much of this passing by
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+1 i'm done with the "what hot on DA those day" and i see just naked girl....
I was saying to all people i know DA is a very good website, now i found it gross.....
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some asses can be art. but if yours isn't thanks for not thinking it is. not everybody have equal chances in life, and they should be aware about it.
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Mostly it is not.
But sometimes it is.
And then you know it is an art.
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*inserts Matisse-esque painting of a suggestive butt*
*in cursive French* : this is not an ass
~art~
Haha, fooled again, mwahaha!
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... deviant ???? ... art ???? ... DeviantArt ??? ... sure I am an ignorant possibly not even a bad artist or no artist at all.... human I guess... belong to or not??? please let me know ... Happy ???? but trying hard... any way... ASS ART could be the name of a new group .... etc... like heaven??? If you do, you may belong in heaven, who knows?? .... HELL, I guess that if someone like it, he, she, them etc. may belong in HELL ... Have any idea of where you are and what you’re doing ??? … none sense complaining is no art … THE ART of COMPLAINING …sure can be master IF the artist does not ignore about the issue, I can see that there is complaining potential among artist in this page … I like that, … now the question is … DEVIANT ARTIST ??? Or deviant COMPLAINER ???? What ??? You still not know what DEVIANT means… never mind, you, you comment you art etc. are DEVIANT enough to be expose here were the DEVIANTart of complaining can be master, among the other arts …
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This comment made absolutely zero sense.
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... am sorry am not that good at most of everything ... hey I checked on you art and you friends and that charcoal piece you did 30 plus square fts ... master piece .... hey have you notice that I dont have any friends in the site in compere to you am nothing , you reply and who you are and what you do make sense.... to me , have a nice everything
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It's the way you're typing. But even though you can't English all the way, I got the point of what you're saying. And actually, you are somebody. Just because I appear to have a lot of watchers doesn't make me a better person than you are.
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The human form, male or female, has been a subject of artistic expression for centuries. The tradition of something certainly doesn't make it inherently good, but in this case, i don't see why clothed or nude figures should suddenly be excluded in art. We're human beings. We react to each other. We are motivated, excited by, infuriated by, and responsive to each other. I think you and I would learn a lot from a candid discussion about the difference between artistic expression that involves a nude model, and objectification. You seem to have very strong thoughts on the matter, and I would like to hear them.
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I recommend you read my replies to the comments below who have taken a similar stance as you.
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By the time i've read your message, those comments will be logged far behind your more recent admirers. Whatever your response was, i'm sure you have a fair and respectable reason for having the opinion
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There are plenty of penises on deviantart. Trust me I know. Once seen, can't be unseen T-T
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Really, while I partially agree with you, its not as bad as it could be (not saying that it couldn't or shouldn't be better, just tying to look on the bright side.)
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You're right. It could me MUCH worse.
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I thought my mature filter was broken. Thank goodness others are complaining about this too.
Amen.
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Thank you.
My mature content is off, yet I still see almost every other picture on the front page has some half-naked woman in it. It's beyond annoying. I'm so sick of seeing this everywhere, (this being half-naked women plastered in every aspect of our social media and this is considered normal) especially on DA. If I wanted to see it, I would turn off my mature content filter, but it's on- and I STILL SEE IT ANYWAY.
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While your ass may not be Art, there are some that are. And I'm pretty sure I don't want you either defining art or censoring this site for me. If you are afraid of seeing an unclothed backside you shouldn't be on the Net or a library or a museum or a beach for that matter. Besides an Artist should be willing to see some uncomfortable images. It expands your perspective of the possible. If you just really want to censor Art, I suggest you check in with local churches, the TEA party or the Republicans.
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"If you are afraid of seeing an unclothed backside you shouldn't be on the Net or a library or a museum or a beach for that matter."
Really? There is a difference between ANY nude from a library/museum, and a sexualized photograph emphasizing one's admittedly very sexy ass. Any claim to the contrary betrays a willful denial of truth for the sake of enjoying butts in pictures. Don't let your enjoyment off butts interfere with reality. Sexy butt ≠ art (necessarily), and if you think it does, then congratulations, you have successfully defined your personal interpretation of art... which may, and/or may not include pornography? Don't try to argue, especially with your relativistic disclaimer, that this defines art for anyone else.
"Besides an Artist should be willing to see some uncomfortable images."
An artist SHOULD, you say? Well, I wouldn't want to define art for you challenge your definition of an artist, but I had no idea that everyone was beholden to your standards of behavior for all artists everywhere. At least qualify this "should" with an "if-then" statement, which would be arguable instead of baseless.
"It expands your perspective of the possible."
Arguably pornographic butts expand one's perspective of the possible? I agree. But probably not for the reasons you were thinking.
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Just a heads up, that Voltaire quote actually comes from Evelyn B Hall in a biography about Voltaire.
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oh? and i was thinking about changing my sig today, too.
i would have gotten away with a misquote for at least a year.
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I found out the same way you did xD. Was corrected by my english lit teacher.
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Well, friend, Nylten posted her opinion. I posted mine and I generally opposed most censorship. But in guessing at the types of images she was referring to in her comments, I stand by my assessment. It is, of course, based on my personal interpretation/definition of Art, which is admittedly broad. Please feel free to challenge mine or anybody's any definition of Art. If you are able to define Art to the satisfaction of the entire human race, congratulations...you are the first. That goes for Pornography as well. Sex, Sexy, Erotic, Sensual images abound in all forms of Art. If it bothers you, you should engage in self-censorship. However in any "Art Community" particularly on in the Net, one will have to accept that there are others with different viewpoints, interest and standards/definitions of Art.
And if one seeks knowledge in any field they should observe or study opposing viewpoints. While I will admit that the Mature Content filter is a option with faults, who gets to decide when to apply the filter? As it currently stands, that falls upon the Artist, unless enough complaints are sent or reported to a DA monitor, I guess.
Still, I will argue. (I like to argue, it's a fault, but it's mine). Besides is a discussion, not a critique nor an insult.
Have a Nice DAy!
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Heh. I like you.
You win.
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You missed the point of this picture.
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I read the Artist's comments under the picture.
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Thank you so much for making this!
There is very little in the world that I would not consider Art. However, so many of these pictures aren't really meant to be much more than... well, what they are. And that's fine! I just wish there was a way that I could hind this kind of stuff I want to, I don't know, show this website to my family or something.
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And don't forget men too ,they have the misfortune of not being included in these reverse propaganda sticks. Men can be objectified too ,just kind of odd its be other men.
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I will keep that in mind for a future deviation. Thank you.
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I meant it for more of a joke ,most people who post pictures of their ass online usually do it themselves or cause it's supposed modeling ,you know in case you need a reference for your cartoon porn site or something.
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Perhaps a separate site might be a bit much, though additional or even customizable filters would be nice and surly not that hard to implement.
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THank you!
I came here to see art. Not people's fetishes.
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Agreed, this place is becoming a joke.
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"This is an art website. Not a porn site."
Now I disagree for a host of reasons:
It's not, but it's there. Nudity, even smut art, can be considered artistic. In fact it is totally fine to enjoy the human form in a entirely sexual way and that still be art.
This kind of censorship is exactly what the Nazi’s did to the German Expressionists (Sorry, had to break Godwin's Law there), whose art was considered ‘degenerate’ due among other things it’s portrayal of naked sexuality and sex. See Egon Schiele whose models were essentially the prostitutes he was shagging at the time.
Enjoying sex is a fundamental aspect of being human, there is nothing wrong with it. If you don't like it, avoid it. It's not hard.
And you're upset because you saw a butt? There's some weird shit on this website, but that's totally fine, people can draw what they want to draw, where appropriate. Freedom of Speech.
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I do agree with you in some cases. I respect your opinion.
But I must say that you missed the point I'm trying to make with this piece.
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Well considering the description is you just ranting about people drawing naked chicks and then telling them to "take your weird fetishes somewhere else or keep them private", I think I hit the point spot-on. It's called DeviantArt for a reason.
Also, dudes get glorified for their pecks and butts on this site too, and in a lot of other places in the media. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
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The perception is yours and I am also aware of how males are glorified. I was calling attention to this situation due to the majority of that being female.
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Well the porn isn't going away. Ranting is cool, but the entire thing seems to have the implication of "I'm going to tell artists what they can and cannot do"
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Which is not my intention and I've made that clear in the replies I've posted to others who thought the same as you.
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I agree with you, pisses me off that nude men or yaoi artists have to stay hidden because its 'dirty' but then these chick expose their freaking taco and its sooooooo 'artistic' Well the male body can be artistic too. They should really stop changing their logo to a stick or trying to turn DA into some hypster bullshit and actually improve the site so it becomes more enjoyable.
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I also have to say that i got really upset when i opened the deviantart page on my phone with my mom sitting by my side and the first thing that popped up was a naked woman with exposed boobs (and yes, i have the mature filter option on) She thought i was watching porn or something. I dont mind nude photography, just please, keep it controlled for BOTH genders. If we have to censor a man's penis, then boobs and tacos should be too.
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Because I'm an adult artist, I feel that some points need to be made.
I completely agree that the filter system needs work. I know there are kids on this site who can see things they shouldn't see. Hell, I was just informed recently that some sixteen year old kid has seen my work and that bothered the hell out of me (granted, he didn't see it on dA). I tend to overly use the mature filter. If something I create shouldn't be seen by kids, I put a mature filter on it regardless of whether certain parts are showing. If kids can't see it, I add the filter. It should be better regulated and with all the changes dA has made, I feel that people should be able to regulate what they want to see on their feed.
However, that's the only point I agree on with you. Your belief that mature artwork shouldn't be considered art is insane. I've worked incredibly hard for what I do to NOT be considered artwork. I've spent two-thirds of my life trying to perfect my craft, so you or anyone else is in no position whatsoever to tell me that what I've spent so many years doing isn't art. If you can honestly sit there and tell me I'm wrong, a giant "fuck you" to you.
Let me stress that I'm a FEMALE erotic artist. Yes, I'm very much a woman and married to a man. I have no problems doing what I do. I find the female body an art in and of itself. All the women in my life (the vast majority of my friends and family) have had no problems at all with what I do and didn't feel that I was objectifying them as a gender in any way. If I felt it was objectifying the female race, I wouldn't do it. But it's not. I'm a "sensible woman" as you claim you are, however I don't find it disgusting. Also, there are penises all over dA. What isn't allowed to be seen is an erect penis. Just because they're not on the front page doesn't mean they're not there.
I'll end with this: You seem like a smart girl with a decent head on your shoulders. Your "advice" to people to take their fetishes elsewhere or keep them private is a bit messed up though. Just because you have a tunnel-visioned opinion of art doesn't mean other people should keep from expressing themselves. The definition of art is controversial, but so are a million other things. There was a time when African Americans weren't considered people. You telling artists to go somewhere else or keep their art private is like telling an African American that they have to go somewhere other than where the white people are sitting at because they're not "people." See my point?
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One point I would like to say is that I never said that all mature works should be taken off of the site. The issue I'm having with dA is the pieces that bypass the filtering system that are deemed okay to be seen by the public without a mature tag. As with the other media, I mainly see women portrayed in such an overly-sexualized manner more so than men.
If you like drawing that kind of stuff, then good for you. Another good thing that you do is to put mature tags on your pieces. I respect your opinions and you're entitled to them. There are some points I could disagree on, but it is what it is.
The fetish art I'm talking about are those that are extremely disturbing (and it's not just me who thinks that it's disturbing, mind you) and should have a mature tag.
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So, those with fetishes shouldn't be allowed to express themselves? Yeah, the filter needs work, but until that happens you want every fetish artist to stop posting here simply because a group of people don't like it. Keep in mind, there are plenty of people who do like it and don't mind seeing it. I'm totally against kids seeing it--sure. That's where dA is slacking. However, people should stop what they've been doing due to the opinions of some.
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